Re: [lace] fine coloured thread

2005-06-30 Thread Linda Greyling
 Brenda Paternoster asked

How are you planning to use color in Bucks point, other than for the 
gimps?  
On 28 Jun 2005, at 17:10, Angela wrote:
 I am thinking of doing some bucks in color but am having trouble in 
 finding fine enough colored thread.  
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In The book Butterfly and Moth - Ulrike Lahore show spectacularly how color can 
be used with Bucks Point  techniques.  She uses Piper silks 90.   For this work 
one can order a pack with the correct colors from Pipers or Holly van Scriver 
in the USA the details are in the book.  

This is on my to do list and I drool over the pictures ever so often.

Linda Greyling
Helderkruin near Johannesburg 
South Africa

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[lace] Apology Fine threads (author Butterfly and Moth)

2005-06-30 Thread Linda Greyling
Sorry we have a new mailing system and it changed some of my message without 
asking me first.  

Butterfly and Moth by Ulrike Loehr.

Linda Greyling
Lecturer
Mathematics and Science

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Re: [lace] Apology Fine threads (author Butterfly and Moth)

2005-06-30 Thread Angela
Hi Linda
This book looks like a 'must have' but I cannot find it on the internet.  Is it 
a recent book? Do you know the publisher and/or IBSN number?
Thanks Angela

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[lace] Fine Bucks thread

2005-06-30 Thread Angela
Hi everyone
Thanks for the information, it's great to have such a wide group of 
knowledgeable people to call on.  I will look into all the suggestions but 
please keep them coming if you get any more ideas.
And yes, Claire, I am the Angela from the Swanley group and City and Guilds has 
a lot to answer for!!
Thanks again everyone
Angela

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Re: [lace] Apology Fine threads (author Butterfly and Moth)

2005-06-30 Thread Elizabeth . Pienaar
Hi,

I did a search and found the book.  Below the details from GOOGLE.

Text for Booklist Page
Butterfly and Moth by Ulrike Lohr £19.60. Variations on an Edging by
Christine
Springett £3.50. Flowers in Bobbin Lace by Ulla Fagerlin  Birgitta ...
www.smplace.co.uk/txt_bks.htm


All the best and happy lacemaking.

Elizabeth

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South African Cochrane Centre
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SOUTH AFRICA

Tel: +27 (0)21 938-0835
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Hi Linda
This book looks like a 'must have' but I cannot find it on the internet.
Is it a recent book? Do you know the publisher and/or IBSN number?
Thanks Angela

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Re: [lace] Calm (logarithmic) Sea and Prosperous (Dieppe?) Voyage

2005-06-30 Thread Ilske Thomsen

Dear Aurelia,
First sugestion you made Aurelia-Torchon -ground. Second 
Mendelssohn-Torchon-ground or third and that's what you did is head 
over heals Dieppe-ground. But why not working like this. On one side 
are the correct lace rules on the other free interpretation. If it 
works and if you like is it is ok.

Have still fun with your fan.
I am interesting what you will make if you here let's say beethoven or 
Wagner

Greetings

Ilske from Hamburg in Germany where today the weather again changed to 
grey and sunless.


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Re: [lace] fine coloured thread

2005-06-30 Thread robinlace
  Brenda Paternoster asked
 
 How are you planning to use color in Bucks point, other than for 
 the gimps?  


Louise Colgan teaches color in BL and for her point ground pattern we 
used one color thread (YLI #100 silk) for the ground and for CTC 
passives, other colors of heavier thread (YLI #50 silk) for each CTC 
worker, and various colors of buttonhole twist silk for gimps.  I used 
black for the fine thread, 2 shades of rust for the flower petal 
workers, edged in a coordinating shade of rust gimp, and green for the 
stem and leaf workers, each edged in green gimp.  Then there were other 
colors of gimp around the edge.

Since YLI #50 comes in more colors than #100, this scheme worked well 
for being colorful.  And since the passives were thinner than the 
worker on the the CTC sections, the colored worker dominated the 
clothstitch sections.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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[lace] Languages

2005-06-30 Thread Vibeke Ervo
Now we are discussing languages, I do think it is the right time for
me to tell you, the explanation lacemakers - who have not English as
their first language - give for dropping Arachne.

It takes too long time to read.

I do tell them that they should just go on to the next posting every
time they don't understand what it is all about, because of slang,
abbreviations etc.

So when you write something 'smart', do think about your readers, they
are not all of them living round the corner.

BTW all Scandinavian language bobbin lace makers are welcome in the
Danish group, run by Knipling i Danmark.

You will get information about joining by sending an empty mail to: 
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Greetings Vibeke in Copenhagen

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[lace] Re: Exhibition

2005-06-30 Thread Ilske Thomsen

Dear All,
Last sunday I went to the west of Hamburg to the so called Jenisch 
Haus. It was the country residence of the Hamburg Senator Martin Johann 
von Jenisch. This villa set in a huge parc was built after the designs 
of Franz Gustav Forsmann and Karl Friedrich Schinkel in 1831 til 1834. 
You can overlook the river Elbe. A series of rooms can be seen 
decorated with furniture and artwork from the Baroque and Classicism up 
to the Biedermeier style. And what has these all to do with lace you 
ask me. This house is a dependance of Altonaer Museum. A Museum who 
under other things has also laces and dresses. From 5. june till 16. 
october 2005 they show us there mariage dresses. You remember we 
discussed this object a long time two years ago. And in this exhibition 
who start in 1755 you see all the different types and ideas for  
dresses for the most important day in life as it is often said in 
Germany, hopefully it's true. Back to the dresses, first the weren't 
white. In the time between 1755 and 1789 women haven't special dresses 
for mariage. The wore a festve coloured dress with flowers in the hair 
or a bonnet with lace hold a fan or a handkerchief both with a special 
motive for love. After French Revolution the first whit mariage dresses 
were in fashion but abround 1815 again coloured dresses as well as 
white ones were worn. After 1848 most women prefered a dress in white 
only for this special day. And only war times could stop this and since 
the 1968 not all mariagers still were white. On these dresses very 
often lace was used and a few lace handkerchiefs and other object are 
to seen. Not all laces are described and a  few in the wrong way (gain 
I had to critizise after visiting the show and I did) and everything is 
written only in German. But those of you which have the possibiliity to 
come near  Hamburg in Germany don't hesitate to visit this exhibition 
you will like it.

Greetings

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Glass Bobbins

2005-06-30 Thread Carol Adkinson
Hi BarbE et al,

I always have lots of Malcolm's glass bobbins on my pillow, and they are
remarkably sturdy!   I have in the past fifteen years or so only broken two.
The first was at a Suffolk Lace Day, when a lady saw me winding them, and
paused to pick one up.  She promptly dropped it on a parquet floor, and it
broke into three pieces - not the least bit concerned, she looked at the
pieces on the floor, said My - they don't bounce, do they! and stomped
off.I was so amazed, I didn't take off after her and deck her!
However, Malcolm was at the Lace Day, and mended the bobbin - it was one
with two little tiny red bobbins inside, and although there is a scorch mark
where it was mended, I am still delighted with it, and use it a lot.

The other breakage was my fault.   You know how it is - I was coming
downstairs, with lots of stuff in my arms, and too lazy to make more than
one journey upstairs!I tripped coming downstairs, and fell the last
three/four steps - the gear went everywhere, and the little box containing
all the bobbins opened, and the bobbins went everywhere - but miraculously,
only one bobbin of the four or five pairs of glass bobbins in the box broke!
But that one broke into lots of little pieces, so no chance of that one
being repaired.

So - don't be afraid to use the bobbins - they sound lovely on a pillow, and
look beautiful too.

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

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[lace] Language Translations Locations

2005-06-30 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers,

Some members have language translation problems.  

When you are asking for help, please consider that we cannot guess where you 
are writing from just from your e-mail address.  If you are asking for 
purchasing info, we want to give vendor names that are easiest for you to 
conduct 
business with.

This list is very helpful, but you'll get better answers if you at least put 
your country after your signature.  Some people have this pre-programmed, so 
they do not have to type each time.

People asking for help finding local lace teachers or groups:  

Often, a lace expert is near you.  Please give us as much as you can without 
pointing directly to your front door.  One way is to use only your first name. 
 If you live in a smaller city or town that is near a large city, it helps if 
you sign as (example) Mary, near Cincinnati, Ohio, USA, not just Mary in 
Ohio.  You'll get more focused help when you help us help you. 

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace  Embroidery Resource Center

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Re: [lace] Glass Bobbins - sturdiness

2005-06-30 Thread robinlace
The first glass bobbins I got were a gift (don't know who made them, 
but I've seen them for sale by Holly van Sciver).  I'd never have 
bought them, being afraid they'd break too easily, but I wanted to use 
my gift so I put them on a pillow.  I now have maybe a dozen glassies.  
When I packed to go to Arachne '98 (a grand convention of Arachneans in 
Nottingham, organized by Pat Hallam and Margaret Allen), I over-stuffed 
the bobbin box and broke two bobbins.  One was wood and the other 
glass.  Another time, I sat on my bobbin roll.  It only had a few 
bobbins in it (whew!!!), but I broke one wood and one glass.

If you drop them onto cement or other very hard flooring, they break 
more readily than wood or bone.  Other than that, though, they seem 
just as sturdy.  I've only broken the two glassies, but have broken 
other woods.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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 I always have lots of Malcolm's glass bobbins on my pillow, and 
 they are remarkably sturdy!   

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RE: [lace] Glass Bobbins - sturdiness

2005-06-30 Thread Patricia Dowden
...  I've only broken the two glassies, but have broken 
other woods.

Robin P.
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Wow Robin,

I didn't know bobbin lace was a contact sport!

Patty

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Re: [lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace

2005-06-30 Thread Lynn Carpenter
(Forwarded from Antje)

Hello all Arachneans,
I have an e-friend who comes from Brazil and is also a lacer. I have asked
her about the gigantic pins that have been commented a few days ago:  she
has told me that these large bobbin laces we saw in that website are made in
the North East of Brazil and, as this is a very poor region, they use
(instead of pins) the thorns of a plant called mandacaru, which is a kind of
cactus.
She has also sent me an incredible fotograph. I will put it in my web site
so that you can have a look at it.

Greetings from Antje, in Guadalajara, Spain

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[lace] A visual treat on eBay...

2005-06-30 Thread Clay Blackwell
Hello all fellow lacemakers!!

I have just spotted a treat on eBay.  I am not in a position to rush in to bid 
on this item, but I am sure that any of you would enjoy seeing it, considering 
the id and appraisal given by our own Kate Henry!!  This is quite an old piece 
of lace, and in very good shape, AND the pictures are worth looking at!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=362item=7332317820

Clay

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Re: [lace] A visual treat on eBay...

2005-06-30 Thread Ruth Budge
Corners in Bucks Point lace are relatively new - I thought they were around
in other types of laces for longer.

I got a series of closeup pictures by clicking on the word Supersize
underneath the photo.

Ruth (Sydney, Australia)

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 Hello,

 I am very curious.  This doesn't look like anything from the 17th century
to
 me.  For one thing, it is quite small.  Any handkerchiefs that I've ever
 heard of from prior to the 19th c. were quite large.  Also, I was under
the
 impression that corners in lace were not developed until the later half of
 the nineteenth/twentieth century.

 I notice that there is no way to get a close look at the lace itself.

 Any comments to enlighten us, from some of you experts out there??

 Thanks,
 Carolyn


 Carolyn W. Hastings
 Stow, MA USA



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  Hello all fellow lacemakers!!
 
  I have just spotted a treat on eBay.  I am not in a position
  to rush in to bid on this item, but I am sure that any of you
  would enjoy seeing it, considering the id and appraisal given
  by our own Kate Henry!!  This is quite an old piece of lace,
  and in very good shape, AND the pictures are worth looking at!!
 
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=362ite
 m=7332317820

 Clay

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[lace] IOLI/Denver Convention

2005-06-30 Thread Tamara P Duvall

Gentle Spiders,

Forgive the wholesale message, but my Inbox is full to bursting, and I 
can't cope with all individual responses any more...


To all my friends - those I've met, and those I've met on-line only, 
and had hoped to meet in real time... To those who wrote me that 
they'd miss me if I didn't come... Thank you; I'll miss you too.


To all others - those who'd written to say I'd be sorry if I didn't 
come, and those who'd written to say how much they were going to enjoy 
the event anyway... I am sorry already, but I'm not changing my mind.  
And I most certainly hope eveyone will enjoy the experience... In fact, 
enjoy it a little bit *extra*, so that, between you, you'll generate 
enough enjoyment to make up for my lack of it  :)


I'm sure the organisers will make it easy for you to do so.

I am not coming to Denver, and that's final, however sorry I may feel. 
My official cancellation notice had gone to the organisers (and 
everyone else directly concerned in my disappearance) a couple of days 
ago, and had been accepted in time for me to claim my money back 
*without* having to provide a substitue for my two missed classes :)


Yours,
--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
 
 


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RE: [lace] A visual treat on eBay...

2005-06-30 Thread Alice Howell

At 05:52 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7332317820

I am very curious.  This doesn't look like anything from the 17th century to
me.  For one thing, it is quite small.  Any handkerchiefs that I've ever
heard of from prior to the 19th c. were quite large.  Also, I was under the
impression that corners in lace were not developed until the later half of
the nineteenth/twentieth century.


I'd like to put forth some thoughts for the more expert people to 
counter.  First, it is small.  This size today we call a hanky.  However, 
needlelace is fairly firm and I would think that a hanky with this much 
firm lace would not be much fun to carry, and it is true that older hankies 
were much larger than todays'.  Consider that it might have been made as a 
small doily.  It would look lovely under a sculpture or flower vase.  And 
the 3-dimensional part would show up well.


Second, the 'gathered corners' on hankies was for bobbin lace which gathers 
much more easily.  Set corners in bobbin lace can be a challenge, 
especially on the laces that are not 45 degree angle.  Corners in 
needlelace are as easy as straight edging.  The motifs -- flowers, leaves, 
scrolls-- are made separately, then laid out in whatever design is desired, 
and the connecting brides put in.  This design is geometrically arranged 
for four corners.  However, if you look closely, not all the symetrical 
features are truly symetrical.  There's some differences in the left and 
right matching motifs.  Very possibly, many people were involved in making 
the motifs of this doily.




I notice that there is no way to get a close look at the lace itself.


The words ' larger picture' are above the main picture but don't show up 
well on the dark background.  Once in 'large' mode, just click on the side 
arrows to page through all the pictures.  Click on the middle arrows for an 
automatic scroll through all of them.  Click the side arrow when  you want 
the paging to stop.


As for the linen center, it is possible that this is not the original 
center.  As fabric wore out, lace was often removed and then attached to 
new fabric.  The stains and wear on the lace do not match the linen center.


It would be lovely to have this, but with IOLI coming up, I'm saving my 
pennies for the sales room.  G


Alice in Oregon -- where we had summer today. 


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[lace] Re: A visual treat on eBay...

2005-06-30 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Jun 30, 2005, at 23:58, Alice Howell wrote (in response to Carolyn):


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7332317820
I am very curious.  This doesn't look like anything from the 17th 
century to
me.  For one thing, it is quite small.  Any handkerchiefs that I've 
ever
heard of from prior to the 19th c. were quite large.  Also, I was 
under the
impression that corners in lace were not developed until the later 
half of

the nineteenth/twentieth century.


[...] it is small.  This size today we call a hanky.  However, 
needlelace is fairly firm and I would think that a hanky with this 
much firm lace would not be much fun to carry, and it is true that 
older hankies were much larger than todays'.  Consider that it might 
have been made as a small doily.  It would look lovely under a 
sculpture or flower vase.  And the 3-dimensional part would show up 
well.


Yes, but did they *have* doilies, to put under a vase or sculpture, in 
mid 1600 hundreds? I know they used carpets to show off their prized 
possessions, but I've never seen (in paintings) an intricate doily like 
that used in the same place.


Most of the lace made then - whether needle or bobbin - was made either 
for the Church, or for the top 5% of the population, and it was still 
considered something very, very, special, being out-of-sight 
expensive...  Surely, then, not something to serve as a frothy  
background to a marble bust of Julius Cesar or Homer? Besides, those 
sculptures were *big*, as were the flower vases, while this thing is 
dainty, at 12-12.5 square *total* area. You set a 17th century vase on 
it, and only the little corners of the lace peek out from underneath. 
Total waste of your money, since you get no status-boost :)


It's true that corners in lace - late apply to Bobbin Lace only; NL 
doesn't have to face the same constraints of design as some of the BL 
does, and hankies with corners - some quite dainty - were made in NL 
fairly early (mid 18th c? I sem to remember that some of the NL hankies 
in the Cone Sisters collection at the Baltimore Museum of art were as 
early as that))


I have another doubt about the dating of the piece...  To quote from 
the site (Yes! I *could* copy and paste! Much to my surpriseg)



Handmade French Point de France Needlelace. Mid to late 1600's.

“Point d France was developed by Louis XIV and finance minister 
Colbert, to provide a French industry of fine needle laces in the mid 
1600's.


As my memory gets worse and worse, my dependence on handy resources 
grows stronger... According to the Heritage Dictionary, Louis XIV 
wasn't even *born* till 1638. True, he became king at the tender age of 
5 (1643), but I doubt he was discussing lace production with Colbert at 
that point :)


In fact, according to Pat Earnshaw's Lace in Fashion, it was only in 
1661 that Louis had a chance to repeal his mother's (Anne of Austria) 
and her second husband's (Mazarin) proscriptions against the excessive 
use of lace, and that's when Colbert started to encourage home 
manufacture of lace - importing teachers and designers and planting 
them in existing needlework (not *lace*, mind you) centres.


But that  would have taken time to take root and to poduce the point 
de France look, so we can abandon the idea of the piece being 
mid-1600's right away. Not even by stretching one's imagination to the 
outermost limits, would that piece have been produced then. Even, if it 
is, indeed, point de France (I wouldn't know, not being a 
lace-historian). Late 1600? Maybe. Though I'd still like to see some 
provenance on it, before I shelled out the money (supposing I had it, 
that is g).  Not that it's not worth $500+, even if it was made 
yesterday; it must have taken hours and hours to make...


I have no idea at all, whether the arrangement of the motifs is 
consistent with the particular lace (point de France) look, or even the 
period it's been ascribed to - Devon might know, and I hope she'll 
pitch in with her insights. But, mathematically challenged as I have 
always been, I still don't see how we get (another successful quote 
from the page? Yes! g):



lace that is about 400 years old.


In my arithmetic, 1650 (mid-1600) and 400 makes 2050; I'll be long gone 
by then, not spouting off on Arachne :) Unless about is the same as 
my answer to the history teacher at the U, when she asked when the 
Spinning Jenny was invented, and I said: sometime in the 18th century 
(even then, my inerest in history was minimal, but the course was 
compulsory)... :)


I had no trouble at all accessing all the detail photos (even though my 
screen configuration is totally different from that described by 
Alice), some of which seem to show the wrong side of the piece, and I 
found those at least as interesting as the photos of the right side.

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[lace-chat] Cleaning Antique Bobbins/Spangles

2005-06-30 Thread Shirlee Hill
Recently I was lucky enough to purchase, sight unseen, a group of antique bone 
bobbins.  There are quite a few Haskins bobbins in the group.  One in 
particular is an amazing mother  babe made by Joseph Haskins.  It is in almost 
mint condition!  The only problem with it is it has some sort of soiling on the 
rim of the neck  the babe bobbin has this same soiling covering the entire 
head, neck,  a bit of the body.  I would like to try to clean this bobbin to 
remove the soiling but I do not want to damage it!  The babe is decorated with 
dots  gold foil.  The mother is decorated with colored dots  what looks like 
gold leaf.  Is there a way I can clean this bobbin without damaging it, or 
should I attempt to clean it at all?  
 
I would also like to ask about cleaning antique spangles ... should I clean 
them or just leave them alone?  Some of the antique bobbins I come across have 
spangles that are pretty filthy or all that remains of them is the wire with 
one bead on the end.  Is it appropriate to replace the wires /or 
clean/replace the beads?  If I want to clean the beads, can I just swish the 
entire spangle (still attached to the bobbin) in soapy water, rinse,  quicky 
dry (perhaps using a blow dryer) without causing the wire to rust?
 
Many thanks ...
 
Shirlee  

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Re: [lace-chat] Cleaning Antique Bobbins/Spangles

2005-06-30 Thread Carol Adkinson
Hi Shirlee,

I use all my bobbins, be they antique or modern, so I have no qualms about
changing the spangling beads!I *do* have a stash of old beads, mainly
square-cuts, which I use to re-spangle the antique bobbins - and to clean
the beads I have been known to put several at a time in a tea infuser (you
know, the thing that looks like two teaspoons held together, with holes in
the spoon bowls) and put it in the dishwasher!   I do also wrap a piece of
muslin round the tea-infuser, so that the beads cannot escape and it cleans
them beautifully...

Carol - in Suffolk UK

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