Re: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[spindexr]

Danish and Norwegian Lutheran ministers retained the ruff.

http://www.blc.edu/comm/gargy/gargy1/Vestments%20and%20Liturgies.htm

Avital

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> Check the pictures of the priests.  They are wearing
> ruffs.  I didn't know that fashion had been retained
> by any group.  Is this only a Danish priest custom?
> 
> PS -- wish the pictures showed the baby gown better.
> Alice in Oregon

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Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[spindexr]

My guess is a chalice veil. They're fairly common and about the size of a large 
handkerchief.

Avital

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From: Clay Blackwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> My understanding is that while there was a pall which covered the 
> entire(closed) casket, a pall cloth was used to cover the face of 
> the deceased
> during the wake.  This served two purposes...  it hid the face (which,
> without the intervention of modern undertakers, may have been an 
> unpleasantsight).  AND - it served a distinct purpose during the 
> wake, because if the
> deceased person were not "quite sincerely dead",  any breathing 
> would cause
> the cloth to move, signaling that the person was still alive.  
> 
> Clay

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[lace] Re: Coloured Lace

[Tamara P Duvall]

I received several messages in MB rather than KB size, which seems to 
have knocked my inbox out of kilter, and I've missed some of the 
Arachne exchange. I'm replying to replies; sorry for the overall 
length...


On Jan 21, 2006, at 23:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Steph writes

Flanders has so many worker exchanges where 4 bobbins cross
the gimp, that a coloured gimp shows up as a dotted line



From: Noelene & Bill Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

While talking of coloured lace - a couple of years ago, I started
a simple piece of Torchon and found I didn't have the right thickness
in Perle for the gimp.   I was going to double the Perle I had, when
I thought why not wind single on two bobbins, and work the gimp
a la Russian tape lace, with the workers going through a pair of
gimps instead of the gimp being trapped down.   The results were
great, and I've always done my Torchon gimps that way since.
The gimp really stands out.


I remember discussing this awhile back.  I think a couple of us
(Arachneans) tried twining a thinner gimp.  I know I did, and it worked
great.  The gimp really stands out from the background because it never
has any 'regular' threads crossing it.


The "twined" (or "twisted", according to The Cook Book) gimp _does_ 
outline a shape much more clearly than a single one, because the 
"basic" threads pass between the two and are hidden. The technique is 
also useful when "basic" threads are used in that manner (no 
thickening, but a solid line of colour). But it's impossible (so far as 
I can tell) to use a twisted gimp in a gimp-loop (a very useful 
trick)... There's no Paradise in BL :)


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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Re: [lace] Coloured Lace

[robinlace]

> Steph writes
> >Flanders has so many worker exchanges where 4 bobbins cross
> >the gimp, that a coloured gimp shows up as a dotted line
> 
From: Noelene & Bill Lafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> While talking of coloured lace - a couple of years ago, I started
> a simple piece of Torchon and found I didn't have the right thickness
> in Perle for the gimp.   I was going to double the Perle I had, when
> I thought why not wind single on two bobbins, and work the gimp
> a la Russian tape lace, with the workers going through a pair of
> gimps instead of the gimp being trapped down.   The results were
> great, and I've always done my Torchon gimps that way since.
> The gimp really stands out.

I remember discussing this awhile back.  I think a couple of us 
(Arachneans) tried twining a thinner gimp.  I know I did, and it worked 
great.  The gimp really stands out from the background because it never 
has any 'regular' threads crossing it.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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Re: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Ruth]

Besides, the bad guy in the Harry Potter books is Voldemort :D

Dorte Tennison wrote:

Valdemar is a commen danish name for the royal, as far as I remember 
at this time in the  night, there were 2 kings at that name here i 
Denmark, long time ago, The first name is allways after the 
grandfather, so it will be either Frederik ore Christian, his father 
is Frederik, the next in line is Quine Magrethe, but if she was a boy, 
it would be Christian, the great gand father is again Frederik, then 
Valdemar, also a royal name, Herni after his fathers father, John 
after his mothers father.

Dorte from Denmark



"Avril" wrote ...he will be known as Christian, Valdemar, Henri, John"

One thought went through my head when I saw the names "I bet they haven't
read or seen Harry Potter - calling the baby Valdemar"

Malvary in Ottawa

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Re: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Dorte Tennison]

Valdemar is a commen danish name for the royal, as far as I remember at this 
time in the  night, there were 2 kings at that name here i Denmark, long 
time ago, The first name is allways after the grandfather, so it will be 
either Frederik ore Christian, his father is Frederik, the next in line is 
Quine Magrethe, but if she was a boy, it would be Christian, the great gand 
father is again Frederik, then Valdemar, also a royal name, Herni after his 
fathers father, John after his mothers father.

Dorte from Denmark



"Avril" wrote ...he will be known as Christian, Valdemar, Henri, John"

One thought went through my head when I saw the names "I bet they haven't
read or seen Harry Potter - calling the baby Valdemar"

Malvary in Ottawa

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Re: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Malvary J Cole]

"Avril" wrote ...he will be known as Christian, Valdemar, Henri, John"

One thought went through my head when I saw the names "I bet they haven't 
read or seen Harry Potter - calling the baby Valdemar"


Malvary in Ottawa 


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Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[Rochelle Sutherland]

The fabric certainly looks light enough.

--- Helen Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could it be a pall cloth?
> 
> Cheers,
> Helen, Aussie in Denver
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Re: [lace] drawn-thread handkerchief... #2

[Rochelle Sutherland]

--- Brenda Paternoster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I have a piece of drawn thread embroidery which
> looks very similar, 
> though mine is salmon pink with linen with cream
> embroidery.  It has 
> the same circles and crosses and zig-zag diagonal
> "footedge". my instinctive feeling is
> that it's from the 
> Mediterranean area.  

Yes, it is. I have seen them in those colours and in
white on white. The big crosses are the give away.

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[lace] Coloured Lace

[Noelene & Bill Lafferty]

Steph writes
>Flanders has so many worker exchanges where 4 bobbins cross
>the gimp, that a coloured gimp shows up as a dotted line

While talking of coloured lace - a couple of years ago, I started
a simple piece of Torchon and found I didn't have the right thickness
in Perle for the gimp.   I was going to double the Perle I had, when
I thought why not wind single on two bobbins, and work the gimp
a la Russian tape lace, with the workers going through a pair of
gimps instead of the gimp being trapped down.   The results were
great, and I've always done my Torchon gimps that way since.
The gimp really stands out.

I've mentioned this before, just thought I'd add my pennysworth
for new spiders.

Noelene in Cooma
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http://gumnuts.lafferty.com.au/

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Fw: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Dorte Tennison]

Had to go to list, sorry again, and not just private.


All priests in Denmark are wearing ruffs, is a part of thir "uniform" and
has been that "for ever" I will try and find out how long fore.
Dorte from Denmark



Check the pictures of the priests.  They are wearing
ruffs.  I didn't know that fashion had been retained
by any group.  Is this only a Danish priest custom?

PS -- wish the pictures showed the baby gown better.
Alice in Oregon

--- Avril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just to let you know that the new royal prince in
Denmark was christened
today in one of Copenhagen's most beautiful
churches,

...http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/Oevrige_temaer/2006/Prins/index.htm


The site is in Danish but just click on the
pictures!


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Re: [lace] Coloured Lace

[Steph Peters]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:31:19 -, Carol wrote:
>But - I well remember the first Flanders course I went on in Rugby, in
>England.   I was suffering terribly from flu' but, I had paid, so was going
>to do it!I was working a little heart pattern and, when it came time to
>put in the gimp, I rummaged in my box of tricks, coming up with a ball of a
>very pretty pink gimp.  Just what I thought would be perfect for a small
>heart...But - the tutor saw it, was absolutely aghast, and said in tones
>of horror "You're not using that, are you, Carol!"
>"Perish the thought!" I said, hurriedly returning the spool to its hiding
>place, and rummaging in my neighbour's box for white gimp!

I'm made of sterner stuff Carol, and carried on with the pink gimp in a
piece of Flanders on my first Flanders course, despite a (polite) horrified
reaction from the teacher.  She warned me it would not work well.  But I
figured it was the end of the week, I was doing a little sample to learn a
corner, so I might as well find out what coloured gimps look like in
Flanders.  And in this particular case I have to agree with the teachers,
it's not good.  Flanders has so many worker exchanges where 4 bobbins cross
the gimp, that a coloured gimp shows up as a dotted line.  I used a strong
pink gimp with ecru main thread.  Make up your own minds by looking at the
piece here:
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/flanders.htm

I don't care for the effect, so I shan't choose such a big contrast again.
However I do think that a softer pastel gimp in a white piece could look
good.
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Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[Clay Blackwell]

My understanding is that while there was a pall which covered the entire
(closed) casket, a pall cloth was used to cover the face of the deceased
during the wake.  This served two purposes...  it hid the face (which,
without the intervention of modern undertakers, may have been an unpleasant
sight).  AND - it served a distinct purpose during the wake, because if the
deceased person were not "quite sincerely dead",  any breathing would cause
the cloth to move, signaling that the person was still alive.  

Clay

Clay Blackwell
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> [Original Message]
> From: Jenny Barron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 1/21/2006 2:48:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief
>
> It's used to cover a corpse prior to burial, not sure if it's the whole
body - would have thought that was a shroud - or just the head
>   jenny barron
>   scotland
>
> Lorri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Okay, that is a new one (to me!). What is a pall cloth?
>
> Lorri -who has so-o-o-o much to learn
>
>
>
> Could it be a pall cloth?
>
> Cheers,
> Helen, Aussie in Denver
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Re: [lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Alice Howell]

Check the pictures of the priests.  They are wearing
ruffs.  I didn't know that fashion had been retained
by any group.  Is this only a Danish priest custom?

PS -- wish the pictures showed the baby gown better.
Alice in Oregon

--- Avril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to let you know that the new royal prince in
> Denmark was christened
> today in one of Copenhagen's most beautiful
>churches,
...http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/Oevrige_temaer/2006/Prins/index.htm
> 
> The site is in Danish but just click on the
> pictures!

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Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[Jenny Barron]

It's used to cover a corpse prior to burial, not sure if it's the whole body - 
would have thought that was a shroud - or just the head
  jenny barron
  scotland

Lorri Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Okay, that is a new one (to me!). What is a pall cloth?

Lorri -who has so-o-o-o much to learn



Could it be a pall cloth?

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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Re: [lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[Lorri Ferguson]

Okay,  that is a new one (to me!).  What is a pall cloth?

Lorri -who has so-o-o-o much to learn



  Could it be a pall cloth?

  Cheers,
  Helen, Aussie in Denver

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[lace] RE:drawn thread handkerchief

[Helen Bell]

Could it be a pall cloth?

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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Re: [lace] Coloured Lace

[CLIVE Rice]

Dear Spiders,

Lordy, all the lace thread I had while living in England and when returning 
to America in 1981 was WHITE and ECRU.  God forbid that anything be mixed! 
Wouldn't think of putting an ecru gimp with a white thread even though it 
was quite fetching, I thought!  Ecru was all I had to try anyway...Times are 
achangin' for the good.


Happy Lacemaking in Color
Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA


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From: "Carol in Suffolk, UK

.But - the tutor saw it, was absolutely aghast, and said in tones
of horror "You're not using that, are you, Carol!"
"Perish the thought!" I said, hurriedly returning the spool to its hiding
place, and rummaging in my neighbour's box for white gimp!

After that, and after some adverse comments from another teacher, of Bucks
point mainly that time, I was extremely wary of using colour in 
anything!.


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[no subject]

[Brenda Paternoster]

Secret Pal pairings for the next round were completed last week and 
everyone has now confirmed acceptance of their new pal, so everything 
is now confirmed ready for the first packages to be sent out in the 
next couple of weeks.


Enjoy

Brenda Paternoster in Kent England
Arachne Secret pal administrator
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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[lace] Danish Royal Christening

[Avril]

Hi Everyone,
Just to let you know that the new royal prince in Denmark was christened
today in one of Copenhagen's most beautiful churches, the Church of
Christiansborg Palace. His name, which according to the Danish royal
customs, was first made public at the moment of his actual christenng and he
will be known as Christian, Valdemar, Henri, John. It was a truly beautiful
ceremony and Mary looked radiant in her new role as mother. The baby was
wearing the beautiful robe of Brussels lace made in 1870 for the christening
(in the same church) of Christian the 10th of Denmark. It has been a
tradition for the royal family to use the gown and it will be on display in
the royal palace of Amalienborg next week.
Check this site out for pictures and video

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/Oevrige_temaer/2006/Prins/index.htm

The site is in Danish but just click on the pictures!
I'm busy preparing dinner for guests arriving shortly and I do'nt have much
time to write more at the moment. However, I'm sure our Australian members
will be interested in the proceedings.You have every right to be really
proud of your lovely princess - she is doing a great job over here!
Best Wishes and keep bobbin' along from Avril in a cold but very pretty snow
clad Denmark

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Re: [lace] Coloured Lace

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi All,

I am not too confident working in colours, but I am improving - I think ...

But - I well remember the first Flanders course I went on in Rugby, in
England.   I was suffering terribly from flu' but, I had paid, so was going
to do it!I was working a little heart pattern and, when it came time to
put in the gimp, I rummaged in my box of tricks, coming up with a ball of a
very pretty pink gimp.  Just what I thought would be perfect for a small
heart...But - the tutor saw it, was absolutely aghast, and said in tones
of horror "You're not using that, are you, Carol!"
"Perish the thought!" I said, hurriedly returning the spool to its hiding
place, and rummaging in my neighbour's box for white gimp!

After that, and after some adverse comments from another teacher, of Bucks
point mainly that time, I was extremely wary of using colour in anything!
But, as I say, I am now experimenting more with colour, as one of my good
friends is brilliant with matching/contrasting colours, and getting
outstanding results, so I am learning from her, and am not so easily
intimidated nowadays either!

Carol - in a dry and bright, cold Suffolk UK.

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[lace] Russian Tape lace,

[Miriam]

When I started off with bobbin lace I worked on a bolster pillow . 
When the design was too big we just went around the pillow another 
time, pinning the  layer over the pervious one. We kind of rolled the 
pattern and the lace over and over until the  pattern was done.



Miriam

Arad, Israel

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[lace] Lace in Anna Magazine

[Miriam]

I just got the January issue of Anna magazine. In it is a small 
evening purse with the top covered in black bobbin lace and beads.


I nearly missed it because of the black color.

Miriam
Arad, Israel

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Re: [lace] drawn-thread handkerchief... #2

[Brenda Paternoster]

That one does work!

I have a piece of drawn thread embroidery which looks very similar, 
though mine is salmon pink with linen with cream embroidery.  It has 
the same circles and crosses and zig-zag diagonal "footedge".  Mine is 
a traycloth 12"x18" and two 8"x8" napkins still folded and tacked to 
the bigger cloth so it's never been used.  Picked it up in an antique 
shop in Rochester, but my instinctive feeling is that it's from the 
Mediterranean area.  If the piece on Ebay is a similar weight then 
Alice is right in thinking it's a table mat and not a hankie.


There's a scan of my piece, which I think shows the embroidery threads 
more clearly on

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/traycloth.jpg

Brenda

On 21 Jan 2006, at 03:01, Clay Blackwell wrote:


Let's try THIS one...

http://tinyurl.com/bs79k

And, in case that one doesn't work, the item number for the auction 
is...


6246335686

Clay


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Brenda
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[lace] Beds bookmark in colour

[Jean Nathan]

One of the ladies in my weekly lace group made a beds bookmark (not the 
thistle one, but the one with the 'August' on page 103 of Barbara 
Underwood's "A Bedfordshire Lace Collection") in variegated yellow/orange 
thread and manipulated the threads so that each element was in one shade, eg 
the wheatear was all pale yellow; the flower-type shapes at the top of what 
I think are rosehips almost orange; the rosehips pale; sunflower centres 
dark and petals light heads in an almost orange; the sun was dark at the 
centre and lightened fairly evenly towards the ends of the sunrays, and so 
on.


The thread colours didn't change suddenly as some variegated threads do and 
there were fairly long lengths in each coliur. Don't know which thread it 
was without asking her. It saved changing threads, but took a lot of trial 
and error to get the colours where she wanted them


Really effective.

Jean in Poole, Dorset 


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Re: [lace] drawn-thread handkerchief... #2

[Rochelle Sutherland]

Please disregard spelling mistakes. Trying not to burn
dinner.

--- Rochelle Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Wow, beautiful.
> 
> By it's size I would say cloth as opposed to hanky.
> The patterns are very like the sol lace patterns
> from
> further south, meditterrean area, early last century
> off the top of my head. Correst me if I'm wrong. 
> 
> So Edwardian is probably right, Scandinavian is
> doubtful.

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[lace] Re: lace-digest V2006 #16 -ivory bobbins?

[LACEELAIN]

In a message dated 1/19/2006 12:51:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Decorated English bobbins, genuinely made in ivory during the last  century
are rare, so unless a pattern of grain can be clearly  distinguished, it is
much wiser and probably more accurate to assume that  they are made of bone."
I have a couple of bobbins that appear to be made of ivory, and the  Lace 
Museum also has one.  We have been told that some bobbins were  possibly made 
of 
ivory for English lacemakers who were living in India in  the 19th century,
 
Elaine Merritt




Elaine  Merritt
The Lace Museum
552 South. Murphy Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA  94086

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Re: [lace] drawn-thread handkerchief... #2

[Rochelle Sutherland]

Wow, beautiful.

By it's size I would say cloth as opposed to hanky.
The patterns are very like the sol lace patterns from
further south, meditterrean area, early last century
off the top of my head. Correst me if I'm wrong. 

So Edwardian is probably right, Scandinavian is
doubtful.


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