[lace] Re: lace Hand or Machine
On 12/9/07 6:35 PM, Daphne Martin wrote: She finally decided that sewing machines were not around when our sister lacemakers made lace for a living. If they had been I feel they would have used them. They would have been too poor to afford them. And the lacemakers didn't mount the lace -- they sold it. So the question isn't what's authentic, but what does justice to one's lace. If you like the appearance (as established on practice scraps), and if you can do it without damaging the lace, go for it -- hand or machine. To avoid cutting the threads of the lace, it might help to use a "stretch" (ball-point) needle, and use a slightly-open zig-zag. Slightly-open is more secure anyhow; when you try to lay threads exactly side-by-side, the holes punched into the cloth come perilously close to overlapping. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where the freezing rain is gone and we still have a thin cover of snow. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Christmas cards
I think Christmas has come already. Today I received 2 cards in the exchange. One from Noelene from Australia: a lovely candle with the most unique use of a spider with a 'leaf shaped' tally coming out of the center of the spider. I have never seen anything like it. #Two is from Lorenzi Elisabetta in Italy: a lovely Christmas red Hardanger heart with gold thread accents and gold beads. Now I am even more determined to learn Hardanger! Thank you both, Lorri - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hand or machine
Once again, I think it's time to remember that there really aren't any "lace police" who will confiscate our work Maybe not confiscate, but I've known Lace Police who will tell someone to her face that she's an inferior lacemaker because she mixed techniques, tell her she's not good enough to take a workshop, etc. Such rudeness boggles my mind, but I've met people who believed they would never be able to make lace because of trying to belong to a lace group with Lace Police. Robin P. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tallies
When I saw Betty's message asking Liz to post her tips for tallies I said "Me too"! Very loudly, so Liz would hear me across The Ditch!! Sue Fink, In Masterton NewZealand, where we are actually sweltering! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] My Beds Lace tips.
Betty Ann asked for the lace tips I sent to Dee. Well here they are! Hope they are of help to someone out there. They refer to my Beds lace, really, but might help with other laces too. Finishing/joining lace at meeting trails -- Throw back alternate threads, and then knot the others together with the one from the other end (supposing you are doing a join when the trail from the left finishes off with the trail from the right., and they join together at the bottom) I tie my knots, and leave longish ends, and then pull the knots through to the wrong side, and weave the ends in. It is about the only way to do it - other than unpinning the lace, turning it over, re-pinning it, and work your finish on the wrong side. - Far too much hassel for me! :) I am a bit lazy!! :) Tallies -- I was taught the continental way of making them - with a knot at the bottom of the leaf shaped ones!!! It was years before I found out that others did not do that.!!! Just a single knot (the first half of a reef knot) with the 2 outside passives. I still do the knot if I am doing a daisy - 3 or 4 leaf-shaped tallies coming into a cnetre, then 3 or 4 more to go out . With the knot there I don't have to put up a support pin while I make the other tallies. Once the knot is there, they don't lose their shape , ao can be tossed aside, till they are wanted!!! :)) Square tallies can have a knot on one side, too. The little blue Rutgers books of Cluny Lace shows it! When doing square tallies - make sure the centre passive crosses to the other side ie. Take bobbin #2 for the worker, and passive #3 will be the central passive. At the end of the tally, leave the worker in #3 or #4 position, and the centre passive will then become #2 bobbin. Work this pair first ( bobbins #1 & #2) then you won't get the worker bobbin pulled up too tight as it is worked. Also - Try to do all the tallies in that piece of lace in the same way - ie - get that central passive to cross to the other side in the same direction each time. You will be amazed at how the changed direction (if you use #3 for the worker, and end it in #2 place) will show up - the light will catch the tally threads in a different way!! This is especially true if you work a cucumber foot - the row of tallies inbetween 2 trails. Just a little thing - but can make you lace look better if done the same way all the time. (There is One tally ground where this rule is broken - Devon Diamond Ground, but don't even Think about trying that yet :)) ) If looking for some good Beds patterns with instructions - check out the Christine Springett ones.I have found her patterns work out beautifully! - Usual disclaimer - just a happy customer!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bobbin Lace Survey
Bobbin Lace Survey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As I sit here yet again avoiding the final sewing of my current lace piece (the first of two interlocked hearts, only 12 pairs for goodness sake!), I find myself pondering on what aspect of bobbin lace people dislike the most. I know lacemakers who profess to dislike most - or even hate and avoid at all costs - each of the following items. As you will have gathered, I fit into the second bunch though I am quite happy doing numbers 1 and 3. So which category do you fit in? (Sorry needlelacers and tatters!) Or is there something else that should be on the list? I will happily summarise the responses to the list in a couple of weeks so feel free to answer privately. There are no wrong answers ... > > 1) Winding bobbins > 2) Final sewing together > 3) Tallies (leaves, squares, triangles, any other type) I don't mind winding bobbins and use my Newey winder for longer lengths, but use a piece of thread for a yard or more, otherwise I do it by hand. I don't mind doing tallies. I must have done my 1,000 by now and they hold no fear for me but I still manage to get some holly leaves amongst them. No big deal, just undo it, let the bobbin hang down for a while so the thread gets the kinks out. I do not dislike sewing it together. I think I did a reasonable job on the last piece of Beds with about 30+ bobbins meeting from opposite sides using Jean Leader's method of knot tying and making rolls behind the work. When I made a wedding hankie in Buckspoint I joined it okay but I chickened out of sewing it onto the fabric as my hand sewing looks horrible. I was fortunate and it was hand carried to Europe where it was sewn on professionally. DD still has to get married, it looks like that will happen next year, but I get to use it for display purposes until then. Hope she waits until after IOLI convention, then I might be able to put it in the display room. I do dislike pricking for something like Buckspoint but I will do it, but when I am working on my own designs I tend to put pins in as I go. Sometimes the design works itself out on the pillow. Something that looked right on the computer does not work in real life. What I really dislike is taking out a forest of pins and seeing a mistake! Next time I need to sew an edge onto fabric I will try the sewing machine. A lacemaker at my guild did such a nice job with the machine that I had a hard time telling how she had done it, but then my eyesight is not that good. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA http://jblace.wordpress.com/ http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacy Portrait on Cover of December 2007 "Antiques" Magazine
To see a small picture of the cover go to http://www.themagazineantiques.com/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=1215&Itemid=45 In a large bookstore, you can find the American magazine "Antiques". They allow you to sit and read, so find a comfortable place and examine the details in the *cover portrait* - of Lady Diana Cecil (d. 1633), Countess of Oxford, attributed to William Larkin (c. 1585-1619), 1614-1618. Oil on canvas approximately 81" long x 47" wide. Suffolk Collection, on view at Kenwood House, London; photograph by courtesy of English Heritage Photo Library. A smaller, uncropped, image of the painting is on page 73. The article is about wearing of rings in medieval and Renaissance society, and the fact rings announced their owner's wealth, marital, and class status or claims to pious devotion of ecclesiastical authority. Text does not comment about the lavish lace ruff and cuffs and very large handkerchief edged in approximately 3-4" of lace (I measured my fingers and compared to hers to arrive at width of lace). And, what do you think of the gold embellishments on gown, chair/pillow, and draperies? Surely, some were made using lace making techniques, then appliqued in place! I would prefer less slashing of the gown's fabric, but that was the custom of the time, as can be seen on some Royal portraits. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:To the lace makers/using our lace
Hi Sue and everyone On Dec 10, 2007 8:09 AM, sue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have enjoyed being able to make money on two pieces, so was able to send > that to the Shelterbox trust who send out tents and life saving equipment > to > help in disaster zones. > This is an excellent way to use our lace - every October I donate a piece in pink, white and silver to a raffle basket with proceeds going to the cure for breast cancer. I wouldn't otherwise choose this colour combination, then it is great fun to find a piece that sets off the threads (and vice versa). Last year I donated a Torchon doily designed by Fumie Kanai. I enjoyed every bit of that project, the winding of bobbins, preparing the pattern, working the lace, joining the lace to itself, then attaching it to fabric with neat tiny 'basting' stitches. And then, because I have nowhere to show off such a lace, it was a pleasure to give away - the oohs and aahs at the receiving end were the best! -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacy Portrait on Cover of December 2007 "Antiques" Magazine
Dear Lace Lovers, In a large bookstore, you can find the American magazine "Antiques". They allow you to sit and read, so find a comfortable place and examine the details in the *cover portrait* - of Lady Diana Cecil (d. 1633), Countess of Oxford, attributed to William Larkin (c. 1585-1619), 1614-1618. Oil on canvas approximately 81" long x 47" wide. Suffolk Collection, on view at Kenwood House, London; photograph by courtesy of English Heritage Photo Library. A smaller, uncropped, image of the painting is on page 73. The article is about wearing of rings in medieval and Renaissance society, and the fact rings announced their owner's wealth, marital, and class status or claims to pious devotion of ecclesiastical authority. Text does not comment about the lavish lace ruff and cuffs and very large handkerchief edged in approximately 3-4" of lace (I measured my fingers and compared to hers to arrive at width of lace). And, what do you think of the gold embellishments on gown, chair/pillow, and draperies? Surely, some were made using lace making techniques, then appliqued in place! I would prefer less slashing of the gown's fabric, but that was the custom of the time, as can be seen on some Royal portraits. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] New buddy map / golf course
I've been more amused how the buddymap used to combine people living close together and making a total mess of Holland. Some travelled from place to place, each time new members joined and people from the same city landed in different corners of the country. But the original lattitudes/longitudes were still available for our lacefairy and I used that data to feed the new map. I don't combine people, but make people close together visible by zooming in. Thus no danger to make a total mess. But quite a few specified just a city and recieved the same location as fellow citizins. To be able to zoom in I had to spread them. See for example Buenos Aires: I placed them around a pond in a park as some neutral zone. In other cities I used bridges or squares. But I don't think this story applies to you. In this case google maps just returns with the golf course when you enter the address you specified. I hope new members have the politenes not to place themself on top of someone else. Otherwise I have to keep spreading. A vague idea to solve the IE mailto bug is lingering on my mind, but a headache is coming up so I wish you all good night. > I was amused when looking at the map to see that I have been > relocated to living in the middle of the neighboring town's > golf course! > Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Traditional Methods ... (was [lace] Hand or machine)
Clay, How I agree! I once put a piece in a competition, only to have the wretched thing dismissed. It was a Brugges item, and I had not done the turns/swivels in the orthodox Brugges way, as I thought my way looked better... The person judging the lace saw me afterwards, and told me why the lace hadn't been accepted, and I had no quarrel with the reasoning - it wasn't Brugges!I was pleased that she thought it rerally did look neater than the Brugges probably would, but I did resolve to make sure that, if an item is going into competition, it is done in the correct way! Best wishes to you all, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in Suffolk UK How I agree with the - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lace" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Hand or machine In my opinion, the only time you would want to stick to specific techniques would be if the piece you're working will be judged, > Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] New buddy map
I was amused when looking at the map to see that I have been relocated to living in the middle of the neighboring town's golf course! Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Re:To the lace makers.
Same here, small pieces are bookmarks given away for gifts, bells and stuff for decorations for friends and family. I have a couple of bits of lace decoration on camp clothing as well as all the early class edgings are in use as picture frames for special photos on one wall indoors. Have branched out a little this year with the set of napkins for my sister and plan on making others for other family members for special events, including our ruby wedding items in the planning stage at the moment. I have enjoyed being able to make money on two pieces, so was able to send that to the Shelterbox trust who send out tents and life saving equipment to help in disaster zones. Lovely to hear what others do with their lace. Sue T, Dorset UK I have a question for all of you: What do you do with the lace? Do you sell it or embellish you linen or clothing? If it is just a sample or one of my lessons, I put it in my BL fun book binder to take to events for show and tell. If the lace is a good size and finished, I frame it and am ready to show off at the heritage events we demonstrate. When they are not being shown off at the events, I hang them on the wall. We don't have too many surfaces to display doilies and we don't use antimaccasars or arm chair doilies. Bookmarks and smaller items get given away as gifts. Mark, aka Tatman In chilly, freezing rain Greenville, IL USA Www.tat-man.net Www.tat-man.net/blog - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Survey
1) Winding bobbins 2) Final sewing together 3) Tallies (leaves, squares, triangles, any other type) The above aren't exciting, but what I really don't like doing are large areas of cloth stitch. There's not enough challenge or interest value in working them. Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re:To the lace makers.
On 12/8/07 7:01 AM, "Marin Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a question for all of you: What do you do with the lace? Do you sell > it or embellish you linen or clothing? If it is just a sample or one of my lessons, I put it in my BL fun book binder to take to events for show and tell. If the lace is a good size and finished, I frame it and am ready to show off at the heritage events we demonstrate. When they are not being shown off at the events, I hang them on the wall. We don't have too many surfaces to display doilies and we don't use antimaccasars or arm chair doilies. Bookmarks and smaller items get given away as gifts. Mark, aka Tatman In chilly, freezing rain Greenville, IL USA Www.tat-man.net Www.tat-man.net/blog - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace Survey
I would fit in category #2...Final Sewing together. Even the sewings within the project is not my favorite, but necessary for a lot of laces. It stops the flow of work. I like to just keep going with the lace at a steady pace. I better get used to the sewings since I am working my way through Bruges Flower Lace! ;) I am halfway done with the winding doily at the beginning of "Bruges Flower Lace" by Edna Sutton. Lots of sewings there! OHfalse plaits is another one I dislike but muttle through. Despite the dislikeswhat we will do for the love of lace Mark, aka Tatman In chilly, freezing rain Greenville, IL USA Www.tat-man.net Www.tat-man.net/blog - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Most disliked
Since I have not gotten proficient at tallies that is what I dislike most. I'm OK with the wheat ears but the others are still a pain to me.. Linda Edgefield, SC, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace Hand or Machine
Hello Everyone, In my opinion it is better to do the sewing nicely with the machine than not so nice by hand. It's up to each of us and there is no police controling about it. Happy sewing Ilske from grey and wet Hamburg in Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hand or machine
Once again, I think it's time to remember that there really aren't any "lace police" who will confiscate our work and destroy it if it has been worked or finished in non-traditional ways! It really is a matter of personal choice - every step of the way - and if the end result pleases you, then continue to do it that way. In my opinion, the only time you would want to stick to specific techniques would be if the piece you're working will be judged, either in competition or to meet requirements of proficiency. Otherwise, do it however it gives you the most pleasure. Clay -- Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA -- Original message -- From: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I agree that if you can't mount by hand, the a sewing machine is fine. If > you can't do it by hand because of dexterity problems, then neat sewing > machine mounting is much better than poor hand sewn mounting. > > If it was a piece of lace that I though was special (like the garter for my > niece's wedding) then I'd wait until I felt I could do a good job by hand if > that would be likely to happen, or have some else mount it for me. > > Depends on the lace and what it's for. > > Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Survey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I sit here yet again avoiding the final sewing of my current lace piece (the first of two interlocked hearts, only 12 pairs for goodness sake!), I find myself pondering on what aspect of bobbin lace people dislike the most. I know lacemakers who profess to dislike most - or even hate and avoid at all costs - each of the following items. As you will have gathered, I fit into the second bunch though I am quite happy doing numbers 1 and 3. So which category do you fit in? (Sorry needlelacers and tatters!) Or is there something else that should be on the list? I will happily summarise the responses to the list in a couple of weeks so feel free to answer privately. There are no wrong answers ... 1) Winding bobbins 2) Final sewing together 3) Tallies (leaves, squares, triangles, any other type) I don't find bobbin winding tedious as long as I don't have to do it all at once. Like others I find watching TV whilst winding makes the task less onerous. Pricking a pattern is just part of the process, gives me chance to understand the pattern before starting to make the lace. Sewing together at the end just takes time, I never do it when I'm tired or without a good light, what it really annoying is having to undo errors made because I was too impatient to finish. I use magic threads for any awkward places where manoeuvring a crochet hook would be difficult. Tallies and leaves are OK now but I didn't like them at first. My biggest dislikes are the mounting of lace onto fabric and working Beds nine pin around corners where all the pins get in the way. -- Eve Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace Hand or Machine
When I attached the lace by machine, it left me more time to make the lace:-) and more lace. Sue T, Dorset, sunny today but windy. Hello Everyone. Surely using a sewing machine or hand sewing should be up to the lacemaker. I agree with what Carol said about Arthritis in the hands. I have the same problem. A while back in Lace magazine. The Chairman I think it was posed this question. She finally decided that sewing machines were not around when our sister lacemakers made lace for a living. If they had been I feel they would have used them. We may make an old craft, but we do live in the modern world. So why can`t we use things that would help us??? Does anyone agree???Daphne Wet Wet Wet Norfolk England _ Telly addicts unite! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hand or machine
I agree that if you can't mount by hand, the a sewing machine is fine. If you can't do it by hand because of dexterity problems, then neat sewing machine mounting is much better than poor hand sewn mounting. If it was a piece of lace that I though was special (like the garter for my niece's wedding) then I'd wait until I felt I could do a good job by hand if that would be likely to happen, or have some else mount it for me. Depends on the lace and what it's for. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Survey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of miladamarshall Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Survey We all seem agreed that the most enjoyable part is the actual bobbin clicking! To get over the worst bit, of pricking and winding bobbins, I usually start doing this in small stages before I have actually finished the previous lace - an hour or so at a time. This way, the pricking is easiest as it is best done in small bits, before the concentration goes. Winding (setting up the winder) I try to do in batches of (50 / 100) bobbins, and as I usually do Binche, I do start before they are all wound. Hello Fellow Spiders and Milada Marshall I have just received Issue 79 of The Lacemaker and on the front cover is portrayed Milada Marshall's Binche mat 'Tournament'. Many congratulations Milada, it's exquisite! I have quickly glanced through the magazine (no time to read it thoroughly yet) but have been unable to find any information relating to this wonderful piece. Perhaps you could tell us a little more about it please. Catherine Barley Henley-on-Thames - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
