[lace] Brugges

[Jean Nathan]

Alice wrote:

available.>


I've heard there's one museum in Brugges you shouldn't miss - the 'Chip 
(Fries) Museum' :-D


What will people think of to exhibit next?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] RE: Fanny Kemble quote

[Annette Meldrum]

Dear Sue,
I loved the comment - it says so much.
Do you remember where it comes from? It would be brilliant to have the full
citation. Sorry if I sound too much like the Librarian that I am.

Annette in cold Wollongong Australia

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Hi all,

I chanced upon a lovely comment about lace by Fanny Kemble that I  
thought you'd enjoy.


Frances Ann Kemble, 1841


Su Carter, enjoying a lovely day in
Williamsburg, VA, USA

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Re: [lace] Identify a thread?

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Patsy

I can't think of any brand name which is even remotely like An hgre,  
An ngre, Ah hgre, Anngre or Anhgre.  Would it be possible for you to 
post a scan of the label somewhere?  Then lots of eyes could try to 
identify it.


Size 230 is very fine, but even so 4.50 GBP was quite a lot of money 
for one skein of thread.


Brenda

While going through one of my drawers of lace thread, I found a small 
package of thread that I had purchased many years ago at the Honiton 
Lace Shop in Devon, England. At the time I paid 4.50 pounds for it.  
It is a size 230 thread.
But I can't figure out the hand writing for the name.  It looks like 
it could be any of the following:  An hgre,  An ngre, Ah hgre, Anngre 
or even Anhgre thread.  I can't tell if the person was writing "N's" 
or "H's" and if the word is separated by a space or not.  Has any one 
ever heard of a thread with a similar name or brand?  I am not 
interested in selling this thread, I would just like to get the name 
straight. I know it's an antique thread. It's only one small skein of 
thread about the size of a skein of embroidery floss.  Any one know 
the name?


Patsy A. Goodman
Chula Vista, CA, USA
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Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
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[lace] Personal Thread catalogue

[Brenda Paternoster]

I'm nowhere near organised enough to catalogue all the threads I have!  
I did once make a start on listing which colours I had of some of the 
more used threads (Venne Colcoton, Moravia Linen etc)


My threads are stored in a variety of boxes, card, plastic and metal, 
depending on what was around each time I've needed another box.  I 
separate into fibre type and by thickness; ie any brand of Pearl 12 
together with DMC flower thread, all sorts of fine rayon threads, a tin 
of fine glitter threads and another for the thicker chained glitters.  
There's a box of assorted white cotton and another of assorted 
white/ecru linen plus separate boxes for anything I've got lots of, and 
a box for the cones of novelty thread from Bart & Francis.  I also have 
a big box full of assorted sewing machine threads which I dip into for 
lace as well - and a blanket box full of assorted knitting yarns.


For the lace I choose to make colour is more important than getting the 
*exact* size, though of course it has to be about right for the scale 
of the pricking.  I'm happy to mix fibre types, cotton end linen, or 
cotton and rayon  as they are all cellulose, though I don't generally 
mix anything with silk other than perhaps a glitter for accent.


I did  once start on an Excel file of all my books, lace and other, but 
got three shelves done and still have eighteen to do.


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
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Fw: [lace] Identify a thread?

[Sue]

Could the 230 be the shade number rather than the size?
Sue T


First thing I thought of seeing this was "Anchor". But the finest
Anchor thread I know of would be No. 80, not 230.

Best, Achim.

Hello Patsy

I can't think of any brand name which is even remotely like An hgre,  An
ngre, Ah hgre, Anngre or Anhgre.  Would it be possible for you to post a
scan of the label somewhere?  Then lots of eyes could try to identify it.

Size 230 is very fine, but even so 4.50 GBP was quite a lot of money for 
one

skein of thread.

Brenda


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Re: [lace] Identify a thread?

[Achim Siebert]

First thing I thought of seeing this was "Anchor". But the finest
Anchor thread I know of would be No. 80, not 230.

Best, Achim.

2008/5/22 Brenda Paternoster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello Patsy
>
> I can't think of any brand name which is even remotely like An hgre,  An
> ngre, Ah hgre, Anngre or Anhgre.  Would it be possible for you to post a
> scan of the label somewhere?  Then lots of eyes could try to identify it.
>
> Size 230 is very fine, but even so 4.50 GBP was quite a lot of money for one
> skein of thread.
>
> Brenda

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Re: [lace] June 22 V&A Museum London

[Ilske Thomsen]

Alice,
make sure that you could see lace in Brugge I know that in the museums  
there take away from display the laces.
Do you have Amsterdam in your mind, there are also some places with  
lace.

Greetings

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Unicorn pattern in Russian tape lace

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello All,




CT-CTCT-CT-CTCT and the next row CTCT-CT- etc.)
some people here in Germany named this ground pearl-ground and others  
regular wild ground. So it's up to you to find your name ;-))


Ilske

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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello Tamara,
no there is no real


 Is there a worker


and you sit and say always half stich - double half stich - half  
stich- double half stich  and so on and if you stop write down what  
comes next. But after a while it works well and it looks lovely.



 And is there a diagram?

If you want you can make one

Try it and find out, good luck

Ilske

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Re: [lace] RE: Fanny Kemble quote

[Su Carter]

Annette,

Your wish is my command :-)

It's from:

Records of Later Life
Henry Holt & Co.
1882
pp. 254-255

She was traveling in Europe in 1841 after spending some years in  
America -- most recently with her husband on his plantation in the  
South where she experienced slavery ...


I think all her books are available on Google Book -- she wrote lots  
and well, so be careful!


Su
Williamsburg, VA


On May 22, 2008, at 3:49 AM, Annette Meldrum wrote:


Dear Sue,
I loved the comment - it says so much.
Do you remember where it comes from? It would be brilliant to have  
the full

citation. Sorry if I sound too much like the Librarian that I am.

Annette in cold Wollongong Australia

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Hi all,

I chanced upon a lovely comment about lace by Fanny Kemble that I
thought you'd enjoy.


Frances Ann Kemble, 1841


Su Carter, enjoying a lovely day in
Williamsburg, VA, USA



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Re: [lace] More on copyright-Israeli law

[Dmt11home]

Sister Claire has informed me that she is in Israel, as are the books. I  
guess, in that case Israeli law is the law that covers this situation. Does  
anyone know anything about Israeli copyright law?
(If everyone else knew this information, I apologize. I assumed she  was in 
Europe or the US. Never assume...)
Devon
 



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Re: [lace] More on copyright

[Sue Babbs]

I don't have any copyright answers, but your mentioning old literature 
reminded me that you may not know abut the following website:


http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html

Many lace books and pamphlets which are out of copyright have been scanned 
in and put up on this site.



Sue
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I am looking at some of my older lace and embroidery books and many of the
oldest among them do not have copyright dates (or any other date) printed 
in

them.



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Re: [lace] More on copyright-Israeli law

[Avital]

Here's what I found with a quick Google search. There's a link to a PDF.

http://blog.ipfactor.co.il/2008/05/05/new-israel-copyright-law-to-come-into-effect/

Sister Claire, where in Israel are you?

Avital
Arachne moderator
Maale Adumim

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> Sister Claire has informed me that she is in Israel, as are the books. I
> guess, in that case Israeli law is the law that covers this situation. Does
> anyone know anything about Israeli copyright law?
> (If everyone else knew this information, I apologize. I assumed she  was in
> Europe or the US. Never assume...)
> Devon
>
>
>

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Re: [lace] More on copyright-Israeli law

[Sister Claire]

Thanks Avital.
I'm in Jerusalem and we know each other.  ;-)
Sr Claire

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> Here's what I found with a quick Google search. There's a link to a PDF.
>
>
> http://blog.ipfactor.co.il/2008/05/05/new-israel-copyright-law-to-come-into-effect/
>
> Sister Claire, where in Israel are you?
>
> Avital
> Arachne moderator
> Maale Adumim
>
> On 5/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sister Claire has informed me that she is in Israel, as are the books. I
> > guess, in that case Israeli law is the law that covers this situation.
> Does
> > anyone know anything about Israeli copyright law?
> > (If everyone else knew this information, I apologize. I assumed she  was
> in
> > Europe or the US. Never assume...)
> > Devon
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [lace] More on copyright-Israeli law

[Avital]

P.S. I haven't been following this thread but if it's about duration
of copyright, it's author's death + 70 years.

Avital

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> Sister Claire has informed me that she is in Israel, as are the books. I
> guess, in that case Israeli law is the law that covers this situation. Does
> anyone know anything about Israeli copyright law?
> (If everyone else knew this information, I apologize. I assumed she  was in
> Europe or the US. Never assume...)
> Devon
>

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[lace] Fwd: Janice Blair: Lacemaker: New look

[Janice Blair]

My daughter has changed the layout of my website and she has put a new simple 
pattern in the Pattern Gallery.  Take a look and if you have any problems let 
her know at the link provided.
Janice

Would you send this out to your usual publicity outlets, please? 
http://www.jblace.com/2008/05/new-look.html

judy



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RE: [lace] Wilder ground

[J. Falkink]

The ground is also in "Viele Gute Gruende III", almost in the back: D4.1 she
calls it Schammgrund. It looks quite regular.

Some other eamples
http://www.lokk.nl/kbarchief/kb12007/kb1a02%20met%20kleur.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/GrannyLaurin/omenominkoperkleur.jpg

Jo

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[lace] RE:

[Carolyn Hastings]

Her sentiments do her credit, but the irony is that the machine lace (and
fabrics) that replaced the hand industries didn't improve the lot of the
workers.  If anything, it made it worse.  The factories were dangerous in
many ways, and the labor was brutal and constant.  And I'm reminded of
William Cobbett's description of the decimation of the lacemaking villages
of England, after the introduction of the machines.  The livelihood of many
was ruined by the machines.

Not sure in the end that machinery was any improvement in any way -- except
perhaps that a wider range of socio-economic classes could have access to
lace after the machines became the norm.

Just my 2 cents worth, thank you for the interesting quote, Su.

Carolyn

Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA

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> Subject:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I chanced upon a lovely comment about lace by Fanny Kemble that I
> thought you'd enjoy.
> 
> 
> I was much interested by the lace-works at Brussels and
> Mechlin, and very painfully so. It is beginning to be
> time, I think, in Christian countries, for manufactures of
> mere luxury to be done away with, when proficiency in
> the merest mechanical drudgery involved in them demands
> a lifetime, and the sight and health of women,
> who begin this twilight work at five and six years old, are
> often sacrificed long before their natural term to this
> costly and unhealthy industry.
> 
> I hope to see all such manufactures done away with,
> for they are bad things, and a whole moral and intelligent
> being, turned into ten fingers' ends for such purposes, is
> a sad spectacle. I (a lace-worshipper, if ever woman was)
> say this advisedly; I am sorry there is still Mechlin and
> Brussels lace made, and glad there is no more India
> muslin, and rejoice in the disuse of every minute manual
> labor which tends to make a mere machine of God's
> likeness. But oh, for all that, how incomparably inferior
> is the finest, faultless, machine-made lace and muslin to
> the exquisite irregularity of the human fabric!...
> 
> Frances Ann Kemble, 1841
> 
> 
> Su Carter, enjoying a lovely day in
> Williamsburg, VA, USA
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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Ilske Thomsen]

It is regular and that's logical. In other wild grounds if you make tc  
tctc tct tc tct or something like this it is very wild. In my opinion  
often too wild.



calls it Schammgrund

What does Schamm- or is it Schwamm- mean. It's not a German word

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Sue Babbs]

I find these grounds take an awful lot of concentration to make - and I 
liked Martina's idea of making a note if you got interrupted!! I usually end 
up undoing the row!
Sue 


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Re: [lace] Fanny Kemble

[Dmt11home]

Also, hand lacemaking was actually considered to be somewhat more enjoyable  
than other forms of employment offered women at the time, as witnessed by the  
tales of wealthy women urging their friends not to buy lace during times when 
it  was hard to get domestic help. The idea was that the women sitting in 
their  cottages making lace would have to "enter service" if there was a 
decline 
in the  market for lace, and be starting those fires early in the morning, 
working as  scullery maids, etc.
 
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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[martina . dewille]

Hi,

today it is a holiday in Bavaria. So I had a go with the wild ground. I tried 
the regular one I 
described in an earlier mail,  but I am using only every 2nd pin, to make it 
more loose and to 
get a good contrast to the mane, which is done in half stitches only.

Thank you for all your suggestions. And as someone said, after a few rows you 
can see 
whether it is half stitch or double half stitch in the row before.

DD says she likes it, so I will finish it that way. I will show a photo 
eventually when it is 
finished.

Happy Lacemaking
Martina


On 22 May 2008 at 19:22, Ilske Thomsen wrote:

> It is regular and that's logical. In other wild grounds if you make
> tc  
> tctc tct tc tct or something like this it is very wild. In my
> opinion  
> often too wild.
> 
> > calls it Schammgrund
> What does Schamm- or is it Schwamm- mean. It's not a German word
> 
> Ilske

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[Alice Howell]

I fly in and out of Amsterdam, and will have several days at the end of my trip 
to explore Amsterdam.  The tours of OIDFA will quite thoroughly explore 
northern Netherlands with lace each day.  When I arrive, I'll go south to 
Rotterdam and Brussels, wend my way to Bayeux, France, then across France to 
Paris and maybe Reims on my way to Heidelberg and to cruise the Rhine River.  
Finally I go north through Germany and west to Grongingen.

I will see lots of lace in Netherlands and some lace in Begium and in Bayeux.  
In France I'll be visiting Cathedrals since I can't find much lace.  There's a 
textile museum in Heidelberg that might have some lace.

I had planned to make a quick trip via tunnel train from Brussels to London, 
and then tunnel train back to Paris.  It would be a bit expensive for just a 
couple days because the tunnel train is not part of the rail pass that I have, 
but V&A's lace collection is worth visiting (when open).  Since I spent some 
time in London on my last trip, just being tourist is not worth the extra 
travel costs (even though it would be fun to see London again).  I can buy a 
lot of thread/bobbins/etc at OIDFA for that $300.  Even a nice pillow.

So I'm exploring alternatives for those couple days alloted to London. 
Alice

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Alice,
make sure that you could see lace in Brugge I know that in the museums  
there take away from display the laces.
Do you have Amsterdam in your mind, there are also some places with  
lace.m

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[Sue Babbs]

While in Normandy, you might also want to go to Alencon (needle lace) and 
Argentan - assuming there are still lace museums in either place. Also 
there's an interesting linen museum somewhere in the area between Bruges and 
Calais, but I can't remember it;s name. Maybe some of our French friends can 
comment.


Not lace - but I've always enjoyed visiting Caen - Abbaye aux Hommes for 
instance. -built during the reign of William the Conqueror


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[Dmt11home]

There is a book by Mick Fouriscot called La Route des Dentelles Normandes  
which covers several lace places between Bayeux and Paris.such as Alencon,  
Argentan, Caen and Courseulles. I take issue with the statement that you  have 
to 
visit Cathedrals in France because you can't find much lace. In the Le  Puy 
area you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a bobbin lace center.  
Especially interesting would be the new museum in Retournac which I am dying to 
 see. 
However, I will grant you that it is hard to find since it is a bit off the  
standard tourist path, unless you are a person who is inclined to take winery  
tours. (Not such a hardship, actually.) Nearby Lyon, a possible base  for 
touring the Le Puy area, is also a textile center, but of woven silk,  although 
the 
museum in Lyon has a nice lace display.
 
Perhaps you should include Antwerp and a trip to the Charles Borromeus  
Church. You will need to co-ordinate the day very carefully for this, since it  
is 
only open one day a week. Rarely visited in Belgium is the small Mechlin  
Museum in Bonheiden, but still quite interesting. 
 
Although you do not mention Vienna as a possible stop, there is a display,  
or at least there was a display, to die for at the Museum of Industrial Art  
there. Since, no photography was allowed and there was no book about the lace, 
I 
 have only the memory of ecstatic enjoyment.
 
Sounds like a great trip.
 
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[lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[minimax42_micro]

Hi All-
Some time ago there was a very interesting discussion about bobbin lace 
jewelry. Somebody pointed out the most beautiful bobbin lace colliers made in 
sterling silver (I think). Another person pointed out a book published by 
Ladies in Lithuania. Unfortunately I lost all this information and I am still 
intrigued (more like obsessed) with this way of bobbin lace making.
Would you be able to help me and point me to the right websites or contact 
information?
Many, many thanks
Julia in rainy St. Louis


  

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[lace] Lace R-XP

[Janice Blair]

I have been playing with the demo program of Lace R-XP and after reading all 
the features it seems to have answered my previous question as to whether you 
can export to Word, plus I think you can print with larger dots which will be 
wonderful when printing a pattern for someone with poor eyesight.  When it came 
to using the text part I typed "I want this", never mind the exchange rate!!  
Nice job Ruth.  I am sure you had lots of input.  Thanks Brenda for giving them 
permission to include the thread wraps.  I am sure this will be helpful as I 
always used to guess what I needed then adjusted up or down depending on the 
first print.

If you have never used Lace 2000 I am sure you will find this one easy to use.
Janice


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[lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver

[Dmt11home]

You could learn to make wire bobbin lace yourself, in sterling or other-  
actually the entire question of silver content is very complicated- at the IOLI 
 
Convention in Rockford, Ill, early August,  from Susan Lambiris. Meantime  
check out _http://home.earthlink.net/~slambiris/_ 
(http://home.earthlink.net/~slambiris/)  and  _http://www.lenkas.com/_ 
(http://www.lenkas.com/)  
Devon





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[lace] Variegated thread again

[Brenda Paternoster]

Following Bev's lead I have just scanned all the pieces of BL I have 
which are made with variegated thread and uploaded them to

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/variegated/variegated.htm

Also a list of colour repeat lengths for the threads I have.

Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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RE: [lace] Wilder ground

[J. Falkink]

> > calls it Schammgrund
> What does Schwamm- mean. 

Schwamm is close to a dutch word for muschroom, or perheaps what grows on
fruit and vegetables when you keep it too long. I'm too lazy to get a
dictionary.

Jo

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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Sue Babbs]

Mould?
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> calls it Schammgrund
What does Schwamm- mean.


Schwamm is close to a dutch word for muschroom, or perheaps what grows on
fruit and vegetables when you keep it too long. I'm too lazy to get a
dictionary.

Jo

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RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Kim Davis]

Here are several links to get you started:

http://home.earthlink.net/~slambiris/

http://www.lacedaisypress.com.au/rosegallery.html

http://www.lenkas.com/

http://www.ideaship.com/CAA/contacts_artists/lievejerger.html

Susan is offering a class at the IOLI convention this year in Illionois.
She is located in North Carolina in case you happen to be nearby.  Neither
Lenka or Lieve are teaching anymore, but I believe that Lenka left someone
else in charge of her classes in Canada.  Hope that helps.


Kim




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Subject: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

Hi All-
Some time ago there was a very interesting discussion about bobbin lace
jewelry. Somebody pointed out the most beautiful bobbin lace colliers made
in sterling silver (I think). Another person pointed out a book published by
Ladies in Lithuania. Unfortunately I lost all this information and I am
still intrigued (more like obsessed) with this way of bobbin lace making.
Would you be able to help me and point me to the right websites or contact
information?
Many, many thanks
Julia in rainy St. Louis


  

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RE: [lace] Lace R-XP

[Ruth Budge]

Yes Janice - larger dots are an option.In fact, the dots in Lace 2000
were scaled according to the size of the printout...in Lace R-XP they are
still scaled, but in addition, you can choose whether you want them bigger
than the default scaling.

The smallest size, which is the default setting, is actually smaller than
the size which Lace 2000 would've printed on that size grid.   So, if you
want to retain the size of dot which you've been used to, you will have to
change the default setting.

Yes, you can export to Word, Microsoft Publisher.in fact, any programme
which will accept graphics.   However, text cannot be exported - you need to
add that after exporting.   If you export in PDF format, however, both the
pattern and the text will be exported, AND the size of the pattern will be
exported accurately too (unlike exporting to Word etc.)

Yes, Janice, must admit - when the programmer first started working on it,
he emailed me a list of 37 "improvements" which he'd received, mostly from
me, over the years!   We settled down to a nice working relationship, and
there's been a lot more improvements since that first contact from him - and
a lot of the irritating glitches (like the way the Undo button functioned)
have been fixed too.

In case anyone thinks I'm "advertising" on Arachne, may I just say that I
have not, and will not, receive any payment for the work I've done on this
programme - it's been done for the sake of helping someone, and for the
enjoyment of the task.   Neither do I benefit from sales anywhere else
except in Australia.so whether you all buy it, or none of you buy it, I
do not gain anything.

I am always glad to answer questions if I can help you.

Ruth

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To: lace
Subject: [lace] Lace R-XP

I have been playing with the demo program of Lace R-XP and after reading all
the features it seems to have answered my previous question as to whether
you can export to Word, plus I think you can print with larger dots which
will be wonderful when printing a pattern for someone with poor eyesight.
When it came to using the text part I typed "I want this", never mind the
exchange rate!!  Nice job Ruth.  I am sure you had lots of input.  Thanks
Brenda for giving them permission to include the thread wraps.  I am sure
this will be helpful as I always used to guess what I needed then adjusted
up or down depending on the first print.

If you have never used Lace 2000 I am sure you will find this one easy to
use.
Janice


Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/
www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com  Check for class spaces, many are full.

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[Scotlace]

The linen museum near Bruges (also near a university) has a wonderful modern 
lace gallery - the gallery is modern, the lace is traditional and very varied. 
 That is well worth a visit.

Patricia in Wales
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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Tamara P Duvall]

On May 22, 2008, at 12:57, J. Falkink wrote:

The ground is also in "Viele Gute Gruende III", almost in the back: 
D4.1


Many thanks, Jo; *now* all is clear as a bell.


she calls it Schammgrund.


Schwammgrund. My dictionary has several translations for the word 
"Schwamm", but the first one is "sponge". And I think that's right, 
because it does look like a sponge :)


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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RE: [lace] Fanny Kemble quote

[Annette Meldrum]

Thanks so much Sue for the full citation, I really appreciate this.
Looks like I am about to embark on yet another tangent. Life is never dull!
I am preparing some short talks for a National Trust group in my town and
this quote and the comments this has brought out from others add some
interesting insights.

Thanks everyone for these other comments on this thread. Anyone else have
something to add? Isn't the social history of lace fascinating?

Annette in Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Sue wrote: It's from:
Records of Later Life
Henry Holt & Co.
1882
pp. 254-255

She was traveling in Europe in 1841 after spending some years in  
America -- most recently with her husband on his plantation in the  
South where she experienced slavery ...

I think all her books are available on Google Book -- she wrote lots  
and well, so be careful!

Su
Williamsburg, VA


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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Steph Peters]

On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:26:30 -0400, Tamara wrote:
>Like Alice, I don't think I've ever come accross it but, also like 
>Alice, I'm intrigued by it. But I cannot, quite visualise it... Is it a 
>kind of "lattice", with alternating short (CT) and long (CTCT) 
>"planks", which are then reversed in the next row? Is there a worker 
>which travels through all pairs at some point (either after every row 
>or else after every two)? Is there a photo of the result somewhere? And 
>is there a diagram?

There are lots and lots of wild grounds.  The common factor is that they are
regular grounds with some half stitches in.  Some appear regular, some
appear random, but actually they are all repeated.  Here is a sampler that I
did of 20 wild grounds, in 2 sections because the whole thing is too large
for my scanner: 
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/images/WildenGrundAnfang2.jpg
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/images/WildenGrundEnde2.jpg
The shape of the sampler is from the Kloeppeln am Laufenden Band book.

And here is a motif that I made using a selection from the sampler:
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/bobbinlace/images/Square.jpg

If anyone wants to study these grounds I have much larger more detailed
images in Adobe Photoshop format (psd), that I can send by email.  But be
warned, the files will be about 20MB for both sections.

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[Steph Peters]

On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT), Alice wrote:
>  There's a textile museum in Heidelberg that might have some lace.

The Max Berk museum is 2-3 km from the centre of Heidelberg, a short bus
ride along the river out of town.  The museum is in two buildings, one
housing a permanent collection and one for changing exhibitions.  I have
been twice to see the Lace Biennale which is a temporary exhibition.  The
permanent collection was interesting becuase I'm interested in textiles
generally, but had little lace that I remember; the lace was on clothing I
think.

The special exhibitions are 
24 February to 13 July 2008 Quilt Art 20
18 June to 7 September 2008 Magical Machines (not textiles)

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Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Aurelia Loveman]

Dear all --  My niece, who is a jeweler (polishedandputtogether.com) 
tells me that there is a most exciting jewelry-making technique in 
which gold or silver is broken down into minuscule bits and mixed 
with a special clay, giving the mixture somewhat the texture and 
flexibility of cord. This "cord" is then handled according to the 
jeweler-artist's imagination (lacemakers would of course be thinking 
about lace).When the piece is finished, it is fired; the clay 
vanishes; and lo! you have gold lace.


Aurelia
Catonsville, MD


Hi All-
Some time ago there was a very interesting discussion about bobbin 
lace jewelry. Somebody pointed out the most beautiful bobbin lace 
colliers made in sterling silver (I think). Another person pointed 
out a book published by Ladies in Lithuania. Unfortunately I lost 
all this information and I am still intrigued (more like obsessed) 
with this way of bobbin lace making.
Would you be able to help me and point me to the right websites or 
contact information?

Many, many thanks
Julia in rainy St. Louis


 


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Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Adele Shaak]

I believe that Lenka left someone
else in charge of her classes in Canada


That someone is Jay ... Rudolph? I think that's her last name. She 
taught at IOLI in Montreal and I think at Ithaca. If anyone wants her 
e-mail I can provide it. Just email me off list.


Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Kim Davis]

I think this might be called PMC, which stands for precious metal clay.  I
met someone in a metal weaving class who makes jewelry this way.
Kim

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Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

Dear all --  My niece, who is a jeweler (polishedandputtogether.com) 
tells me that there is a most exciting jewelry-making technique in 
which gold or silver is broken down into minuscule bits and mixed 
with a special clay, giving the mixture somewhat the texture and 
flexibility of cord. This "cord" is then handled according to the 
jeweler-artist's imagination (lacemakers would of course be thinking 
about lace).When the piece is finished, it is fired; the clay 
vanishes; and lo! you have gold lace.

Aurelia
Catonsville, MD

>Hi All-
>Some time ago there was a very interesting discussion about bobbin 
>lace jewelry. Somebody pointed out the most beautiful bobbin lace 
>colliers made in sterling silver (I think). Another person pointed 
>out a book published by Ladies in Lithuania. Unfortunately I lost 
>all this information and I am still intrigued (more like obsessed) 
>with this way of bobbin lace making.
>Would you be able to help me and point me to the right websites or 
>contact information?
>Many, many thanks
>Julia in rainy St. Louis
>
>
>  
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[Alice Howell]

Thanks for all the ideas so far.  The Carolus Borromeus Church in (or near) 
Antwerp has the lace room open only on Wednesday.  i finally found it on the 
net -- a couple hours in the morning, and 2-4 in the afternoon.  If I went 
there directly from the airport, I could just make it for the last hour, I 
think.  Providing I'm not suffering too severely with jet lag.  But it's worth 
a try.

I'm considering the other suggestions that have come.  Some are in the area 
I'll be traveling, and some are beyond my reach.  Even if the Heidelberg museum 
doesn't have much lace, it could be interesting.  I do some quilting, also, so 
the Quilt Art could be of much interest.  I had planned to go there but had 
forgotten what the special exhibit was.

It will be a fun trip, whatever I end up seeing.  Thanks again for all 
suggestions.
Alice in Oregon -- 26 days to go.

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>  There's a textile museum in Heidelberg that might have some lace.

The Max Berk museum is 2-3 km from the centre of Heidelberg, a short bus
ride along the river out of town. 

The special exhibitions are 
24 February to 13 July 2008 Quilt Art 20
18 June to 7 September 2008 Magical Machines (not textiles)

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[lace] Silver Wire Lace

[Cherry Knobloch]

Take a look at my website. There are several pieces of jewelry on it that I 
made from silver. Most of it is in fine silver, with a sterling edge wire. 
Fine doesn't tarnish as fast but it's also not as springy so it loses its 
shape easily. The finest wire I've worked with is 32 gauge.


I'd like to know more about how precious metal clay is turned into a cord. 
I know that the 'clay' itself is actually an organic binder. It's been 
around for about 15 years and was developed in Japan. It's come a long way 
since then. A few ceramic artists have tried incorporating it into pottery 
but the firing temperatures are too different and the silver often ends up 
burning away.


Getting ready for Sweet Briar, weaving my own clay cords.
www.EarthEchos.com

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RE: [lace] Lace R-XP

[clayblackwell]

Hi Ruth -

Could you be more specific about the problems running Lace R-XP on the Toshiba? 
 I have a Toshiba laptop on which I've run Lace 2000 for a few years, and had 
no problem.  So when I decided to get a new laptop, I got another Toshiba - 
about a week before you mentioned that there were problems with Toshiba and 
R-XP.  

So now I'm wondering if I should even consider getting R-XP.  

I have been shocked at how much of my tried-and-true software will not run on 
Vista.  Everything is calling for an upgrade, and frankly, I don't know if I 
want to shell out several hundred dollars more on new programs!  The older 
computer is still working well - we just wanted to have another for a variety 
of reasons.  So I may use them for different purposes, with my old favorites on 
the older computer.

Thanks!

Clay

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Lynchburg, VA USA 


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From: "Ruth Budge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Yes Janice - larger dots are an option. In fact, the dots in Lace 2000 
> were scaled according to the size of the printout...in Lace R-XP they are 
> still scaled, but in addition, you can choose whether you want them bigger 
> than the default scaling. 
> 
> The smallest size, which is the default setting, is actually smaller than 
> the size which Lace 2000 would've printed on that size grid. So, if you 
> want to retain the size of dot which you've been used to, you will have to 
> change the default setting. 
> 
> Yes, you can export to Word, Microsoft Publisher.in fact, any programme 
> which will accept graphics. However, text cannot be exported - you need to 
> add that after exporting. If you export in PDF format, however, both the 
> pattern and the text will be exported, AND the size of the pattern will be 
> exported accurately too (unlike exporting to Word etc.) 
> 
> Yes, Janice, must admit - when the programmer first started working on it, 
> he emailed me a list of 37 "improvements" which he'd received, mostly from 
> me, over the years! We settled down to a nice working relationship, and 
> there's been a lot more improvements since that first contact from him - and 
> a lot of the irritating glitches (like the way the Undo button functioned) 
> have been fixed too. 
> 
> In case anyone thinks I'm "advertising" on Arachne, may I just say that I 
> have not, and will not, receive any payment for the work I've done on this 
> programme - it's been done for the sake of helping someone, and for the 
> enjoyment of the task. Neither do I benefit from sales anywhere else 
> except in Australia.so whether you all buy it, or none of you buy it, I 
> do not gain anything. 
> 
> I am always glad to answer questions if I can help you. 
> 
> Ruth 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Janice Blair 
> Sent: Friday, 23 May 2008 5:06 AM 
> To: lace 
> Subject: [lace] Lace R-XP 
> 
> I have been playing with the demo program of Lace R-XP and after reading all 
> the features it seems to have answered my previous question as to whether 
> you can export to Word, plus I think you can print with larger dots which 
> will be wonderful when printing a pattern for someone with poor eyesight. 
> When it came to using the text part I typed "I want this", never mind the 
> exchange rate!! Nice job Ruth. I am sure you had lots of input. Thanks 
> Brenda for giving them permission to include the thread wraps. I am sure 
> this will be helpful as I always used to guess what I needed then adjusted 
> up or down depending on the first print. 
> 
> If you have never used Lace 2000 I am sure you will find this one easy to 
> use. 
> Janice 
> 
> 
> Janice Blair 
> Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA 
> www.jblace.com 
> http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ 
> www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com Check for class spaces, many are full. 
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RE: [lace] Lace R-XP

[Ruth Budge]

Hello Clay,

The problems with the Toshiba laptops appear to be occurring only with those
running Vista, and concern the display of the background dots in both Lace
2000 and Lace R-XP.

 

I now know of three ladies running Vista on a Toshiba laptop who don't get a
full screen of background dots - what they get is a column of dots down the
page, and then a section of white...another column of dots, and one of
white.

 

The programme draws OK in the white areas, everything works quite OK - it's
just that they don't have background dots for sections of their screen.
There are a couple of ways around the problem, one of them being to use the
lines on the screen, so that the screen looks like graph paper, instead of
the background dots.

 

I have two experts here, and the programmer in England, who all insist that
the problem is not with the programme, but with the video driver or screen
driver programmes (whichever term is used locally) which Toshiba is using.
The suspicion is that Toshiba is skimping a bit on the variety of drivers
they're putting into their systems.

 

Is your copy of Lace 2000 working OK on your new laptop?If so, then you
will have no problem with Lace R-XP.   To be on the safe side, why don't you
download the demo version and have a look at that?   If you're going to have
the problem, then the demo version will show it up for you very quickly!

 

But if your copy of Lace 2000 works OK, Lace R-XP should be OK too.

 

Hope this helps - and hope the news is good for you!

 

Ruth

 

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Sent: Friday, 23 May 2008 12:01 PM
To: Ruth Budge; 'lace'
Subject: RE: [lace] Lace R-XP

 

Hi Ruth -

 

Could you be more specific about the problems running Lace R-XP on the
Toshiba?  I have a Toshiba laptop on which I've run Lace 2000 for a few
years, and had no problem.  So when I decided to get a new laptop, I got
another Toshiba - about a week before you mentioned that there were problems
with Toshiba and R-XP.  

 

So now I'm wondering if I should even consider getting R-XP.  

 

I have been shocked at how much of my tried-and-true software will not run
on Vista.  Everything is calling for an upgrade, and frankly, I don't know
if I want to shell out several hundred dollars more on new programs!  The
older computer is still working well - we just wanted to have another for a
variety of reasons.  So I may use them for different purposes, with my old
favorites on the older computer.

 

Thanks!

 

Clay

 

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Lynchburg, VA USA 

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Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Lorri Ferguson]

There are 2 brands of this 'metal producing' clay:  PMC is one and Art Clay
-?- is the other.
I have seen PMC worked and the finished pieces.  It is not something one can
do 'at home' as it must be fired at temps only attainable in special kilns.
Those who have learned to use it can do wonderful things.  I have a friend
here in Seattle who is great.
There is a PMC Guild based in Canada, and the product is sold at Rio Grande of
Albuquerque, NM.  I can supply addresses if anyone is interested.

Lorri
formerly a jeweler.
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  From: Aurelia Loveman
  To: minimax42_micro
  Cc: lace@arachne.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??


  Dear all --  My niece, who is a jeweler (polishedandputtogether.com)
  tells me that there is a most exciting jewelry-making technique in
  which gold or silver is broken down into minuscule bits and mixed
  with a special clay, giving the mixture somewhat the texture and
  flexibility of cord. This "cord" is then handled according to the
  jeweler-artist's imagination (lacemakers would of course be thinking
  about lace).When the piece is finished, it is fired; the clay
  vanishes; and lo! you have gold lace.

  Aurelia
  Catonsville, MD

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Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Jewelry in sterling silver??

[Sue Babbs]

Yes, the need for  a kiln is a problem.

Also at least when I worked with PMC a couple of years ago,  the drying time 
was an issue. You needed to work very quickly as the "clay" dried out very 
fast, and became unworkable. Maybe they've improved it.


I found that if the work was too fine, the finished piece disintegrated.

The 2 day workshop was fun, but continuing with PMC was not something I 
wanted to invest that much money in


Sue 


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Re: [lace] Wilder ground

[Ilske Thomsen]

Martina,
there aren't pins except at the edges.

Ilske

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