Re: [lace] Finca threads
Using Tanne or DMC Broder machine instead of Brok 100/3 or Finca *will* make a difference to the feel of the lace because both Tanne and Broder Machine are 2 ply threads which will make a softer, more draping lace. 3 ply threads are rounder and the lace has more 'body' to it. If all you are concerned with is finding a suitable thickness for your pattern then yes you could use one of the Tannes, or nearer in thickness would be Egyptian 80 (a couple of wraps either way doesn't make a great deal of difference with the finer threads). But if you want a substitute for Finca 80 that matches in both thickness and structure the only choice is Brok 100/3. Make a sample piece with your chosen thread, take the pins out and see if you like the effect. Brenda I shall be using it for a floral Beds motif - adapted by Anita Wilkinson from one of the old units prickings - so adding an extra pair here or there shouldn't be a problem. Depends how close you need to be. Brenda has just said Brok, but Fince 80 and 100 are both sold as equivalent to Tanne 80. This latter thread sits between the two Fincas, slightly nearer to 100 I think. I have used both as alternatives to the Tanne 80 and prefer the 100, but only because with Milanese I prefer the option of putting an extra pair or two in if needed, to trying to do a braid with less pairs than I really need. So, if whatever you are making could cope with a slightly finer thread, then the Tanne is an option. Much closer (only 1 wpc different) is the DMC machine broder (or the older retors or brilliante d'alsace). I don't think that amount of difference would affect the appearance of the lace at all. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Finca threads
Hello Brenda I'm doing as the expert tells me and I've started winding with the Egyptian cotton 80 - thanks for the advice. Regards Diana - Original Message - From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com To: Diana Smith dian...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Finca threads Using Tanne or DMC Broder machine instead of Brok 100/3 or Finca *will* make a difference to the feel of the lace because both Tanne and Broder Machine are 2 ply threads which will make a softer, more draping lace. 3 ply threads are rounder and the lace has more 'body' to it. If all you are concerned with is finding a suitable thickness for your pattern then yes you could use one of the Tannes, or nearer in thickness would be Egyptian 80 (a couple of wraps either way doesn't make a great deal of difference with the finer threads). But if you want a substitute for Finca 80 that matches in both thickness and structure the only choice is Brok 100/3. Make a sample piece with your chosen thread, take the pins out and see if you like the effect. Brenda I shall be using it for a floral Beds motif - adapted by Anita Wilkinson from one of the old units prickings - so adding an extra pair here or there shouldn't be a problem. Depends how close you need to be. Brenda has just said Brok, but Fince 80 and 100 are both sold as equivalent to Tanne 80. This latter thread sits between the two Fincas, slightly nearer to 100 I think. I have used both as alternatives to the Tanne 80 and prefer the 100, but only because with Milanese I prefer the option of putting an extra pair or two in if needed, to trying to do a braid with less pairs than I really need. So, if whatever you are making could cope with a slightly finer thread, then the Tanne is an option. Much closer (only 1 wpc different) is the DMC machine broder (or the older retors or brilliante d'alsace). I don't think that amount of difference would affect the appearance of the lace at all. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really?
Hi Arachnes All, That reminds me of one of my students - a relatively new one, who came to keep a friend company, but who was never as keen on bobbin lace-making as her friend. She had been agonising over leaves for some time and announced - to the class in general and me in particular - that she now knew why lacemaking had been invented. 'When the men were in prison years ago, they were made to sew mailbags. I think lace-making is what they made the women do!' Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Regina Haring rmhar...@optimum.net To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: [lace] No stupid question? Really? If I die and go to h*ll, that's what they're going to make me do! Regina New York - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking
In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:34:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com writes: 'When the men were in prison years ago, they were made to sew mailbags.I think lace-making is what they made the women do!' I think this comment may be more insightful than stupid. Actually, lacemaking was a staple in many poor houses in Europe. I know it was practiced in institutions, because in Rockland County, New York, where I grew up, and where I demonstrated lace in the 1970's, people would often remark that this was being done at Letchworth Village, an institution for mentally challenged individuals in the area. I also ran across a newspaper article from the 19th century, announcing the death of woman in prison for murder (in America) who had spent her time in prison making bobbin lace. I also think that I may have heard that Ingaborg Rasmussen went into prisons and mental institutions in Denmark teaching lacemaking. Unfortunately, I can't find a citation for this. I have to think that if there was a prisoner in America making bobbin lace, there must have been many more in Europe. Lacemaking, is, after all, very therapeutic. I have made a lot of lace while watching the financial channel and seeing the implosion of the economy. It has been weeks of exceptional productivity for me. In fact, my back is beginning to suffer. On occasion, I have wondered if the IOLI shouldn't offer to go into prisons to teach the craft. There is a lot of knitting and crocheting in women's prison, and the prisoners knit and crochet for themselves, other prisoners, who trade for the items, and also sell at a flea market, as well as some prison store. On the other hand, there are a lot of restrictions on what they can have, ie. only plastic knitting needles, so our gear might not pass muster. And, in addition, although the providing of such an interesting, satisfying and time consuming hobby to prisoners might be a good deed, it might materially change the nature of our organization if large numbers of felons joined our ranks. So, I have sort of tabled this idea for membership enhancement. Devon **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking
Hi Devon et al, I didn't mean to imply that the question was stupid!I thought we had 'moved on' slightly, and were also discussing the humour of some of the comments made whilst teaching and demonstrating!I do know that in several of the mental homes in my area, we go in to teach lace as a sort of therapy, so I suppose it could have been done in the past as well - but I also think that what my student was implying was the lacemaking as a form of punishment, not quite what we would wish it to be thought, I am sure. Carol - Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: dmt11h...@aol.com To: nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com ; lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking In a message dated 3/3/2009 10:34:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com writes: 'When the men were in prison years ago, they were made to sew mailbags. I think lace-making is what they made the women do!' I think this comment may be more insightful than stupid. Actually, lacemaking was a staple in many poor houses in Europe. I know it was practiced in institutions, because in Rockland County, New York, where I grew up, and where I demonstrated lace in the 1970's, people would often remark that this was being done at Letchworth Village, an institution for mentally challenged individuals in the area. I also ran across a newspaper article from the 19th century, announcing the death of woman in prison for murder (in America) who had spent her time in prison making bobbin lace. I also think that I may have heard that Ingaborg Rasmussen went into prisons and mental institutions in Denmark teaching lacemaking. Unfortunately, I can't find a citation for this. I have to think that if there was a prisoner in America making bobbin lace, there must have been many more in Europe. Lacemaking, is, after all, very therapeutic. I have made a lot of lace while watching the financial channel and seeing the implosion of the economy. It has been weeks of exceptional productivity for me. In fact, my back is beginning to suffer. On occasion, I have wondered if the IOLI shouldn't offer to go into prisons to teach the craft. There is a lot of knitting and crocheting in women's prison, and the prisoners knit and crochet for themselves, other prisoners, who trade for the items, and also sell at a flea market, as well as some prison store. On the other hand, there are a lot of restrictions on what they can have, ie. only plastic knitting needles, so our gear might not pass muster. And, in addition, although the providing of such an interesting, satisfying and time consuming hobby to prisoners might be a good deed, it might materially change the nature of our organization if large numbers of felons joined our ranks. So, I have sort of tabled this idea for membership enhancement. Devon - - A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking
On 3/3/09 11:44 AM, Carol wrote: . . . - but I also think that what my student was implying was the lacemaking was a form of punishment, not quite what we would wish it to be thought, I am sure. When people were forced to do it, lacemaking *was* punishment. I vaguely recall a primary document in which someone railed against parents who had to be starved into letting their children be enslaved in lacemaking schools. -- Joy Beeson http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where it's bright and clear and the lake is frozen again. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking
Whatever you say, Miss Swan LOL bev walker wrote: Yet I think only if the person is responsive to such, as therapy. For someone dis-inclined (to aquiesce), it would indeed be a chore. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Lacemaking, is, after all, very therapeutic. -- Ruth R. in Ohio roxw...@krafters.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and lacemaking
Swann! and my dress has lace ;) On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ruth Rocker roxw...@krafters.net wrote: Whatever you say, Miss Swan LOL bev walker wrote: Yet I think only if the person is responsive to such, as therapy. For someone dis-inclined (to aquiesce), it would indeed be a chore. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:17 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Lacemaking, is, after all, very therapeutic. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Laceweight Yarn vs. Thread Thickness
hallo, what is this? I have a great love of Sanquhar (and also Selbuvotter, which is less 3 ply specific). it sound very Nordic or Irisch or does it make part of some other ancient knitting slang? it even sounds to me like part a figure from lords of the ring furthermore i want to say that the normal industry is split into 2 sections knitting and weaving manufacturers most are realy specialised in one or the other and if you are in busines on the knitting industry you will only find Nm mentionings never fingering aran or others in fact i have asked some producers the same question they never heard about that aran laceweight etc as far as they recollect they only have uesed Nm and in the old days they had 3 other numbers but then one of the region of limoges france told me that even that is a very very long time ago Worsted numbers Dewsbury numbers which are for the very thick counts and the woolen numbers i agree 100% on what brenda says it is time to put the real numbers on the articles and not some own factory label for making tit not easy to compare to other materials all the links i got for reference do help a bit to make a small chart many thx to all francis Susan Reishus schreef: Thank you for your letter. I noted your textile weights given on the list and appreciate it. I have a bunch of British 4 ply by various vendors, inherited from a relative (I have Scottish/English ancestry but was born/live in the US), and 4 ply is definitely thicker; somewhere between fingering and sport (US terms). I have addressed this with people/knitters who are considered expert in the industry and they all concur that fingering is finer than 4 ply and also place it between fingering and sport. Your explanation of fingering references in the UK perhaps explains a lot, but it is considered a valid description here, and now with the resurgence of sock yarns, is often now called fingering/sock yarn. S I agree that the lines have become blurred with perpetual transitions as the industry has had many resurgences this last century as trade and communication increases. I have ordered inordinate amounts of yarn from Colourmart also and have to order what he calls 4 ply to get fingering to use for my designs and fingering sweater patterns. I also collect knitting needles and have a predispositition toward a particiular UK needle so often have to merge the UK/US/mm size qualifications. S On the aside, do you know of a good source for 3 ply? I have a great love of Sanquhar (and also Selbuvotter, which is less 3 ply specific). Substitution of fingering/2 ply isn't always satisfactory since it if finer and because the design and more sophisticated glove pattern, yarn thickness (along with needles of course) are often the only way to control as most were knit with 3 ply. TIA, Susan Reishus --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com Subject: Re: [lace] Laceweight Yarn vs. Thread Thickness To: Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.com Cc: l...@dont.panix.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 3:36 AM Hello Sue http://www.colourmart.com/eng/knowledge_base/knitting_properties; The only challenge on the aside, is this chart reverses the weights of 4 ply and fingering, as Richard of Colourmart engaged a relatively novice knitter when he started his business to help him set up the chart, and she was unfamiliar with fingering. 4 ply typically tends to be thicker than fingering, thought the lines have blurred in all descriptions as knitting becomes more international. If the Nm sizes are correct and the 4 ply is Nm2/14 and the fingering is Nm 3/14 then the chart is correct with 4 ply finer than fingering. Originally, fingering was 2 ply, and 4 ply was as stated. The old rule was that sport was doubled fingering, and worsted was doubled sport, and the UK double knitting falls between sport and worsted (5 sts per inch in stockinette/stocking stitch). In UK it used to be 2 ply, 3 ply and 4 ply which were just that, getting thicker with each additional ply, double knitting which was thicker but still with 4 plies and occasionally Aran which was very thick. Everyone knew what the names meant and although manufacturers didn't like to say so, one brand of 4 ply was very much like any other brand of 4 ply. Fingering meant a quality worsted which had been carded and combed whilst 'ordinary' wools were just combed. Then synthetics (acrylic mainly) were introduced and they started making all sorts of different yarns and also used fewer but thicker plies (less spinning so cheaper to make!) Added to that the internet meant that lots of American yarns and patterns became available. Not only were the Americans using a different numbering system for their needles, but they also used different descriptions for their yarns. No wonder people got confused! The needle sizing
[lace] This list
Hi All I've just realised that this list doesn't work like the others that I'm on, so people have been getting personal replies from me that should have gone to the list. I do apologise. I'll try to get it right from now on. Lesley Stockport UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Self-Harm and Lacemaking
Ah, but it's the pins that would be the problem. I have a friend who works in a women's prison and she says that anything that could be the agent of self-harm is not allowed. Which is a shame; lacemaking, as someone has just said, is very theraputic. Lesley = When I read this, I immediately saw a design in my head that is mostly suitable for Torchon that eliminates the need for pointy pins. Something on the order of a pegboard with pegs that could be pulled up or pushed down as needed. Even simpler would be a pegboard where pegs could be set as needed. Using tatting cotton or larger cordonnet would be reasonable. I just have this feeling that it could be done! I have some experience volunteering at the California Youth Authority where we taught crochet, among other things like leadership, self-control, etc. The hooks had to be plastic. In line with that idea, unsharp pegs would probably pass muster. The more complicated design of captured pegs that could be raised or lowered, as needed would be more practical (reduce loss of pegs, without which ~ no lace!) I will discuss this with DH for his input. The pillow doesn't have to be soft if it doesn't hold the pins in place. I really think this is doable. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Mistakes
I usually try to write on the back of the pricking all relevant information, no of bobbins, threads, any pitfalls or errors (nobody is infallible even pattern designers) and sometimes whether I thought it would look better in thicker/finer threads and lastly if it was a gift for someone to avoid giving them the same gift twice, this has proved to be invaluable over the years. Happy lacing Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK Where we are holding our annual laceday on Saturday the 7th at the John Innes Centre in Norwich, should be a good day. - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Laceweight Yarn vs. Thread Thickness
Hello Fancis I have a great love of Sanquhar (and also Selbuvotter, which is less 3 ply specific). it sound very Nordic or Irisch or does it make part of some other ancient knitting slang? it even sounds to me like part a figure from lords of the ring Selbuvotter is the Norwegian two colour star knitting patterns. Sanquhar is similar from Scotland. as far as they recollect they only have uesed Nm and in the old days they had 3 other numbers but then one of the region of limoges france told me that even that is a very very long time ago Worsted numbers Dewsbury numbers which are for the very thick counts and the woolen numbers I have a little booklet from The Handweavers Studio which explains the old numbers - well actually I have two copies, one with my notes scribbled on it and one in good condition! I will put that in the post to you tomorrow. Brenda Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and Lacemaking]
There is a UK organisation called Fine Cell Work: http://www.finecellwork.co.uk/ Fine Cell Work is a Registered Charity that teaches needlework to prison inmates and sells their products. It seems there is no problem with needles, pins etc in this context. Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Lesley Blackshaw Sent: Tuesday 03 March 2009 19:32 To: Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and Lacemaking] Susan Reishus wrote: This discussion brings several things to mind. There is much prison focus for teaching knitting and crochet in the US, but some disallow knitting because of the knitting needles/pins and only allow crochet. One would think of bobbins as relatively harmless by comparison. S Ah, but it's the pins that would be the problem. I have a friend who works in a women's prison and she says that anything that could be the agent of self-harm is not allowed. Which is a shame; lacemaking, as someone has just said, is very theraputic. Lesley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] This list
Hi Lesley, Glad you sorted it out and a belated welcome to the list. I used to live in Stretford, not too far away from you. I get the digests so by the time I have seen the emails most of the questions have been answered. I do get the Chat list reflected emails but so far have not changed my setting for the Lace list. I know that some members have tried to send attachments to the list but they get stripped out which is why most of us have somewhere else to post our lace items. Everyone here is very helpful, as are lacemakers in general. Keep your questions coming and maybe one day I will get a chance to answer one. Janice Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:31:04 + From: Lesley Blackshaw lesley.blacks...@ntlworld.com Subject: [lace] This list Hi All I've just realised that this list doesn't work like the others that I'm on, so people have been getting personal replies from me that should have gone to the list. I do apologise. I'll try to get it right from now on. Lesley Stockport UK Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Bone Bonnins and colour marking.
...A visitor asked me what had been used for bobbins before we had plastic. Oh dear!! :( and Bone bobbins look SO nice on a pillow, too! I hope you wern't too rude, Devon! :) Alex - I am with you all the way - re colouring and marking your prickings to help make the lace enjoyable, not a hassle. I colour mark my prickings as much as I think necessary. One Lace Day, many years ago, a lady sneered at me for having coloured marks on the pricking She did not need such things - However, when I saw her making lace - she had a whole lot of Memory Pins dotted around - to remind her which were workers, and which were passives, etc. I was Much too polite to sneer back, that I did not need those, - but I thought it! :)) Ah well!! It is the differences that make life so interesting, isn't it, rather than the sameness :) Go with Whatever Works!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, where we had a shower of rain last night!!! - The first for ages. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 326 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] No stupid question? Really? Prisons and Lacemaking]
This work by prisoners has been a feature of articles in the Embroiderers' Guild UK's bulletin - Embroidery. It seems quite sturdy, mostly canvaswork (called needlepoint in the U.S.A.). Famous designers actually bring designs to the prisons to be stitched for clients. There have been exhibits. The guys are very proud of their output. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 3/3/2009 5:57:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, margerybu...@o2.co.uk writes: There is a UK organisation called Fine Cell Work: http://www.finecellwork.co.uk/ Fine Cell Work is a Registered Charity that teaches needlework to prison inmates and sells their products. It seems there is no problem with needles, pins etc in this context. Margery. **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Bone Bonnins and colour marking.
What, me rude? :-) Actually, I maintained a serious demeanor as though it were a reasonable question, which actually it was, in a way. I told her all about the history of bone bobbins, bobbins as love tokens, pointed out mother and babe, grandmother, mother and babe, twins, tiny little grains of wheat in the Archer bobbins. It was a teachable moment. I may even have shared the story about the time the Springetts got the giraffe bone from the zoo and boiled it and attempted to make bobbins with it. You have to use whatever hooks you are given to spin the story. Devon In a message dated 3/3/2009 7:30:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lizl...@bigpond.com writes: Oh dear!! :( and Bone bobbins look SO nice on a pillow, too! I hope you wern't too rude, Devon! :) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Bone Bobbins and colour marking.
I've never heard that story! Can you share it with us (just in case any of us fel tempted to try our hand at making giraffe-bone bobbins...) Beth in cold (but at least it's not raining this morning) Cheshire, NW England Devon wrote: I may even have shared the story about the time the Springetts got the giraffe bone from the zoo and boiled it and attempted to make bobbins with it. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace-chat] Fw: Pumpkin-Show
Sorry about the text but I thought you would enjoy the pictures Greetings from the Knotter - Original Message - From: P. u. H. Stoll To: Dora Northern Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Pumpkin-Show Hallo dear Dora!! Lange nichts mehr von Dir gehört oder gelesen, geht es Dir gut? Bei uns ist Gott sei Dank alles in Ordnung. Langsam macht sich ein wenig Reise-Nervosität bei uns bemerkbar, denn wir fahren doch kommende Woche am 26.9. nach Österreich zum Kongress. Wie immer bekommst Du dann von uns einen Bericht mit Bildern. Es ist Herbst geworden und das Wetter bei uns ist schon richtig kalt und stürmisch. Wie jedes Jahr um diese Zeit veranstalltet ein Gartenbau-Verein in einem ca. 15 km entfernten Ort sein Kürbisfest und da fahren wir wie jedes Jahr natürlich hin. Wir haben Dir ja schon einige Male Bilder von diesem event geschickt und das wollen wir auch dieses Jahr machen. Hoffentlich ist die Datei nicht zu groß und es dauert nicht zu lange bis sie geöffnet ist. Viel Spass beim ansehen wünschen Henriette und Peter PS.: Bleib gesund!! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 1 In der Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 2 Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 3 Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 4 Ast u Obe.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 5 Zenzi.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 6 Seppl.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 7 Daddy.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 8 Kutsche.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 9 Bett.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 91 Miss.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 92 Frau S.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_93_zwei_G=E4nse.JPG?=] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 94 Enten.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 95 Wurm.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_96_gr=FCne_G=E4nse.JPG?=] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 97 gelbweiss.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 98 bunt.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_99_Stachelk=FCrbisse.JPG?=] To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Fw: Pumpkin-Show
Hello Dora You can't post pictures to Arachne or Lace-chat. You have to upload them to a website and post the link. Brenda On 3 Mar 2009, at 11:48, Dora Northern wrote: Sorry about the text but I thought you would enjoy the pictures Greetings from the Knotter - Original Message - From: P. u. H. Stoll To: Dora Northern Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:13 PM Subject: Pumpkin-Show Hallo dear Dora!! Lange nichts mehr von Dir gehört oder gelesen, geht es Dir gut? Bei uns ist Gott sei Dank alles in Ordnung. Langsam macht sich ein wenig Reise-Nervosität bei uns bemerkbar, denn wir fahren doch kommende Woche am 26.9. nach Österreich zum Kongress. Wie immer bekommst Du dann von uns einen Bericht mit Bildern. Es ist Herbst geworden und das Wetter bei uns ist schon richtig kalt und stürmisch. Wie jedes Jahr um diese Zeit veranstalltet ein Gartenbau-Verein in einem ca. 15 km entfernten Ort sein Kürbisfest und da fahren wir wie jedes Jahr natürlich hin. Wir haben Dir ja schon einige Male Bilder von diesem event geschickt und das wollen wir auch dieses Jahr machen. Hoffentlich ist die Datei nicht zu groß und es dauert nicht zu lange bis sie geöffnet ist. Viel Spass beim ansehen wünschen Henriette und Peter PS.: Bleib gesund!! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 1 In der Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 2 Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 3 Scheune.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 4 Ast u Obe.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 5 Zenzi.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 6 Seppl.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 7 Daddy.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 8 Kutsche.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 9 Bett.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 91 Miss.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 92 Frau S.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_93_zwei_G=E4nse.JPG?=] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 94 Enten.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 95 Wurm.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_96_gr=FCne_G=E4nse.JPG?=] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 97 gelbweiss.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Bild 98 bunt.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bild_99_Stachelk=FCrbisse.JPG?=] To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
[lace-chat] Pumpkin show
Hallo Lacers, I hold my head in shame for making a mistake trying to send some pictures. Please forgive me for showing my AGE Greetings from the |Knotter Dora To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Deer/deer whistles
For years now I've kept the small inexpensive 'deer whistles' from the hardware store, affixed to my car. I still get deer wandering through the garden (tip: lean the fencing around the plants *outwards* and they won't try to leap it - looks odd but it works) but I seldom see animals on the road while driving. Bear, cougar, dogs, and cats, raccoons - haven't seen many, and if so, usually the tail end, since my discovery of the 'whistles'. The high pitched noise that scares the animal out of sight is in effect at about 60 kmph (40 mph?) or better. Slower than that, they don't work, but you usually have plenty of time to stop or avoid them. I did not like the risk of hitting an animal and disabling my car on a dark lonely rural road. bye for now Bev in Shirley BC near Sooke on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
RE: [lace-chat] Pumpkin show
My Dear Dora, I A-Dora your energy and spunk! Just do what you do and we'll figure it out. Patty +++ Hallo Lacers, I hold my head in shame for making a mistake trying to send some pictures. Please forgive me for showing my AGE Greetings from the |Knotter Dora To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
