RE: [lace] Re: Chandler's Mat
Adele wrote: Hmmm. Not to start an international copyright war, or anything, but - suppose somebody did make that mat from the photo, without using the pricking that Ruth Bean published. Would they be able to, say, make a hi-resolution scan of the mat that they made, and then either sell it or provide it to lacemakers for free, and have it all be perfectly legal? I wouldn't have thought it would be legal. I haven't compared the two, but isn't the Ruth Bean one a version of the mat - i.e. not an exact copy of the original. Both of those designs and photos would still be under copyright, but you could always make a pricking of a similar mat of your own design which had different elements in it. If the original and Ruth Bean ones aren't identical, then that's what has been done there and Patricia Bury produced a pricking based on the photo. You'd have to get legal advice on whether or not you could photocopy the existing pricking and than makes changes to it or if you'd have to start with a blank canvas. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Miss Channer's Mat
Sorry to resend this but I accidentally sent it to majordormo rather than the lace list ... I was being cleaver in cropping names out and it went pear shaped. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 4 Jan 2014, at 08:02, The Lacebee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: This question of working directly from a picture and copyright has come up recently on a Facebook forum and previously in Arachne. It has come as a bit of a surprise to many to find that there are still copyright issues when working directly from a photo If the designer of the lace is still alive then then lace is in copyright regardless of where you take your pricking from. Copyright still exists 70 after death. Now with the case of Miss Channer's mat it is not about the original but the variation shown in the book of which the copyright exists to the person that made that version (Or who they passed the copyright onto... In this case it is believed to be the publisher). It is interesting that the copyright laws on crafts are different to books. I recently found an excellent link on copyright and crafts which may interest fellow spiders. http://drawsketch.about.com/cs/resources/a/copyright_2.htm When I was learning to make lace there were a limited number of books in the UK and we were encouraged to go to museums, take rubbings of lace and true up patterns. This was acceptable because the lace was normally over 150 yeas old so it was likely the designer had been dead for there required 50 years at that time (extended to 70 years recently). The argument that you only need to change 10% for it to be a new design and not violate copyright is a myth as well. It still violates copyright. I had an interesting conversation with another lacemaker a couple of years ago. She had gone to a summer school at a French lace school. She was not allowed to take her pillow out of the classroom at night as she was only 'renting' the pricking from the teacher and as it was the teachers own design, the teacher insisted that the lace be finished by the end of the week classes or it had to be taken off, unfinished and the pattern returned. They were paying the teacher to be taught and not buying the pattern. The lacemaker offered to buy the pattern and was told it was not for sale. Recently on Ravelry I have seen a trend where there is a statement on the pages showing patterns for sale. The statement says very, very clearly that the pattern is sold for personal use only and items made from it cannot be sold without violating international copyright. When it comes down to it, as we have said before, it is a matter of both legal and moral issues. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 4 Jan 2014, at 00:26, Louise in Central Virginia humem...@verizon.net wrote: On 01/03/14, Louise in Central Virginia wrote: I have Ruth Bean's book on Ms Chandler and resolved that if I every decided to try the Mat, I would just scan the picture of it in the book, enlarge to size and work directly on the picture as a pricking. I think That would work for me and no problem with copywrites. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Chandler's Mat
It would be perfectly legal to draft the pattern from scratch working from the photo of either the Ruth Bean version or the older pre Bean print runs. In the process some differences would creep in anyway. Particularly if the lacemaker freely acknowledged the original source material. But if you have the experience to do that, why not design your own mat over a point ground net background. If you can't draw from scratch then take motifs from other pieces as your starting point, as Jean said. Although either of these options would be a huge task, I think it would still be easier than trying to work over the top of a not clear photograph. It would be so difficult with that to see where you might want to put the pins, and which are your threads and which are white parts of the photo. Having looked at the photos in both my 1926 Channer and my 1953 revised edition, I can tell you that under any magnification at all the picture just breaks down into dots and cross hatchings or whatever the photo equivalents of pixels are. It is really not possible to see where pins might have been placed around the cloth stitch motifs and absolutely impossible to get any help from the photo on points such as how many pairs have been used, added or removed. We have been spoilt by our modern digital photos and on screen enlargements, allowing us to follow a pattern thread by thread. I don't have the Ruth Bean reprint so it is possible the photo in that of Pat Bury's mat might be a better quality and more amenable to enlarging, but even if it is I still believe it would be more of a challenge to work over a photo than onto a pricking and I suspect those of you who have made the mat would feel it was sufficiently challenging already. One of my Students is currently working a Floral Bucks brush back, I think a Marjorie Carter design from an ancient Lace Society magazine. Even with a well made pricking it's sometimes hard to plan through the forest of pins which ground pairs are available, how many extras might be needed for the cloth work and if a pair can be removed or should be carried a short way with a gimp to be used in the next bit of cloth stitch. If she had a photo underneath it would all be so 'busy' I think she'd have cut it off long ago. As it is, there's no photo at all so she is working by reading the pricking in the traditional way! Jacquie in Lincolnshire. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re: Chandler's Mat 2
I should have made clear I meant perfectly legal to use the photo in order to be able to make a pricking for your own use. Not to sell. And assuming you own or have a copy of the book all the time you are making the mat (see below). I seem to remember in an earlier Channer mat discussion some explained that technically once you sell, give or even loan a book or pattern, at that point you no longer are entitled to keep any copies you made from it, even for your own use. You sell give or loan your entitlement to benefit from the copyright as the item leaves your possession. You will be relieved to hear though that you can keep the lace you made as that is your interpretation of the pricking and thus has a copyright all of its own - presumably explaining the Pat Bury/Ruth Bean copyright of that version of the Channer mat. Can whoever posted the information tell me if I have remembered that correctly? When did Miss Channer die? Margaret Waller is already talking about her in the past tense in 1953. Once a certain number of years have passed (70?) from her death, will her original pricking be out of copyright, or will Ruth Bean's successors still hold that, even though it's not the pricking used in the reprint? Jacquie in Lincolnshire. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Miss Channers mat
Miss Channer was born c1874 at Sherford in Devon, died on the 10th of March 1949 and was buried at Clapham, Bedford where she had lived for some years. I have a very poor quality, much reduced, photocopy of the pattern which has a couple of hand written notes one of which is 'W. Dean 1978' - West Dean, Somerset I believe, where lace making was taught for many years. I had added a note that I acquired it from Alby Lace Museum, Norfolk - which is no more. The main part of the collection at Alby was previously the property of Pat Payne. That early copy doesn't have the half stitch and overlaid leaves as per the later copy. Those areas are ground with tallies and honeycomb. On a slightly more recent copy (pre the Bean/Bury publication), which I think must have come from the Vi Bullard archive, those half stitch areas are blanked out. There are other slight alterations so obviously the mat as we know it has changed through the years, and there is probably more than one version. Diana - and yes its still raining! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Channer Mat
Is there any reason to believe that Miss Channer designed the mat? When I started lace there were several patterns that were associated with my teacher, but she did not design them. She made and sold the prickings. In fact, when I started making lace in the 1970s the concept of copyright was not widely understood among lacemakers. Many considered every pattern to be traditional and in the public domain. Others exerted some kind of proprietary ownership in patterns that was based on nothing but habitual use. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Channer Mat
In the copy of the book which I have, the caption on the picture says, MAT FOR TRAY, Worked by Mrs. Dixon, Clapham, Beds. Design by C.C. Channer My book indicates that Miss Channer first published her book in 1928. In 1972, M. Waller published a revised edition, and this was reprinted in 1984. So, it would be interesting to see what the original edition says about the origin of the mat. (Mine is the 1984 edition.) Out of curiosity, I compared the picture in the Channer book to the picture which accompanies the pricking. Apparently, it is the same piece of lace, because there are anomalies consistent to both photographs. The picture of the mat in the book is 5.75 inches by 3 inches and is grainy to start with. The picture with the pricking is 13 inches by 8.5 inches, and is very sharp and clear. So, before anyone could even attempt to create a pricking from the picture in the book, the picture would have to be enlarged over 200%! That would make it impossible to see the individual threads, let alone the paths the threads take. But even more interesting is the fact that the pricking was published as a Supplement to In the Cause of English Lace by Anne Buck. This was in 1991. So, as you say, attention to copyright has changed a lot! Clay Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:25 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Is there any reason to believe that Miss Channer designed the mat? When I started lace there were several patterns that were associated with my teacher, but she did not design them. She made and sold the prickings. In fact, when I started making lace in the 1970s the concept of copyright was not widely understood among lacemakers. Many considered every pattern to be traditional and in the public domain. Others exerted some kind of proprietary ownership in patterns that was based on nothing but habitual use. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] needlework tool auction
Hello All! Mary Corbet posted this link today. http://www.theriaults.com/default/index.cfm?LinkServID=F1F6B52C-BDB9-3413-D6B0A7098C7BF120cid=211 Out of 356 items, just a few were lace-related. #183 is a tiny stand with bobbins #308 is an engraved MOP tatting shuttle. There were also some interesting knitting needle holders (MOP fish, silver boots etc) I neglected to mark the numbers for the knitters amongst us, sorry. Lots of Palais Royale sets Meissen pieces. Santa could shop here make a lot of gals very happy. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Miss Channer mat
My 1928 first edition of 'Pratical Lacemaking - Bucks Point-Ground' says exacty the same. There is no other mention that I can find in the text of the mat. I have in the past recognised some of the component parts as having come from other, possibly older, designs. I guess that is only to be expected considering the wealth of old designs she had at her fingertips. It is a shame that much of her collection was split up between various different museums as she would have been in a prime position during her lace life to acquire many of the old parchments. I have just notice that the acknowledgement to Pat Bury in the pattern pack is for 'The adapted pricking, sample and note' - so the large mat picture is the original? Sorry am I playing catch up here ;-) Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Channer Mat
I think that the Cecil Higgins Museum is missing a bet when they don't sell a high def scan of this mat. Where is their initiative? Is there any evidence that Ruth Bean actually obtained ownership of the original design when they did the work of pricking and having someone make the piece? If not, then they own the copyright to their work, the pricking and the interpretation of it by Patricia Bury, assuming that she didn't keep the right to that. I think that the working up of the pattern is a lot more of a bit of creative work than the making of the pricking. In fact, where is Mrs. Dixon in all this, since she worked the original mat circa 1926. Perhaps, Ruth Bean obtained the right to make and publish the pricking from Miss Channer or her heirs, but not exclusive rights to the original design, much as in my writing I grant the right of first publication to the IOLI, but retain the copyright. The IOLI has copyright to the font and the layout only, because those are the things they added to my work. If the copyright to the design resided in Miss Channer, I suppose it would have passed to her heirs when she died. Does anyone know who her heirs are, and whether they have any interest in suppressing the use of her designs. Perhaps, if asked, they would feel that she would have wanted to share the work. (They might even want to give it to Creative Commons.) In the event of a court case regarding who owns the rights to a design, I believe it is customary to present work that shows the development of the design through various stages, rather than to simply accept a verbal claim to the design. As such, I doubt that anyone has a portfolio of Miss Channers's design development that they could use to support a claim that she developed the design. In fact, if you had such a portfolio it might actually illuminate a different scenario, that she may have adapted it from a traditional design or someone else's design, possibly even a piece of lace she purchased. Another issue, is whether in fact Miss Channer owned the copyright. According to Diana: A picture of the original mat appeared in Miss Channers book 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928. Worked by a student at the Bedford Technical Institute. Design by C.C. Channer. If Miss Channer was an employee of the Bedford Technical Institute the design might well be work for hire in which case it is the Bedford Technical Institute or its successors who owns the copyright. (At least that is how it would be in the US.) Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace8 bummer
Well I was kind of excited to check out the Lace8 program. I don't design bobbin lace, but I was sure I could use it for Tatting...And then the bomb dropped. I'm beyond disappointed that it only works on a windows machine. I'm not sure I know anyone personaly that even uses a windows based computer anymore. I mean I know people do, just not in my personal world of artists and graphic designers. (I have the same frustration with genealogy programs) With Mac being the largest computer company in the world I would think it would be in the best interest of the software people to make sure there was a Mac compatible version. *SIGH* Guess I'll stick with Illustrator. Robin -- Never, ever, let anyone tell you what you can and can't do. Prove the cynics wrong. Pity them for they have no imagination. The sky's the limit. *Your* sky. *Your *limit. Now, let's dance. *~Tom Hiddleston* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Miss channer
I was in contact with Channer family members some years ago - not now though. Vera, a niece of Miss Channer, came to spend a day with me with her son and his partner. As you can imagine I was thrilled. We took them to the church as Desborough where Miss Channers father had been vicar in the late eighteen hundreds. We arranged for Vera's son to go up the tower and wind the church clock. Diana Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Reprint of In the Cause of English lace, 2012
Interestingly, Crowood Press appears to have reprinted In the Cause of English Lace in 2012 and they claim Although published 90 years ago, this book has few modern rivals, and is reprinted here for the first time within a more extensive work by Anne Buck. http://www.crowood.com/details.asp?isbn=9780903585262t=In-the-Cause-of-Engl ish-Lace---The-Life-and-Work-of-Catherine-C-Channer-1874-1949 Would I be correct in assuming that someone has checked out this new publication and ascertained that there is no mat pattern in it? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace8 bummer
I've had others look at the programme with a view to using it for tatting, but they've quickly decided not! The programmer feels that the small potential market doesn't make it worthwhile for him to offer two versions and in other countries, Windows based computers are still more usual. Sorry. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) On 05/01/2014, at 3:18 AM, Robin D human.m...@gmail.com wrote: Well I was kind of excited to check out the Lace8 program. I don't design bobbin lace, but I was sure I could use it for Tatting... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sourcing thread in Basel
Dear Arachnians I've just arrived in Switzerland from Cape Town and I'm struggling to find a decent haberdashery in Basel. It seems that I grossly overestimated my online research skills! Does anyone know where I can source lacemaking threads in or near Basel? I'm specifically looking for silk floss, fine cottons and chunkier linens. (For three different projects, of course.) I'd really appreciate your help. *Pierre Fouché * www.pierrefouche.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Leslie Lohman exhibit, was sourcing threads Basel
Dear Pierre, I don not have the answer to your question, but I have a question for you. Are you on your way to New York to be at the exhibit of your piece at the Queer Threads, Crafting Identity and Community exhibit at the Leslie Lohman Museum, Jan. 17- March 16? http://www.leslielohman.org/about/press-release/2013/queer-threads-pr.html Personally, I am pretty excited that your work is being exhibited in New York and am planning to go see it. Devon Thein - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Leonard's Lace - Jabot or Shirt Frill?
Dear Jeri and Susan Thanks for the kind comments; I can assure you I did think very carefully before contradicting Mrs Carter!! I do, however, wear evening dress, with a dress shirt, at least a couple of times a year at non-lace events, and like to wear my lace then, if possible, and a full jabot would be a bit ott. At present I wear an Elizabethan metal lace braid down the front of the shirt, pattern generally adapted from one of Gil Dye's reconstructions, which is suitable for other occasions - though I have left a dinner without the braid, having given it to someone who asked where I bought the shirt! However, it was a charity do, and a donation was made. I suppose I could have given him the pattern and a teacher's contact details. I don't attach the lace at all permanently to the shirt, just tacking it on with invisible thread, and taking it off for separate care, so that is not an issue. I suspect the early braids were valued similarly; much better than having a garment embroidered, where reuse and laundry would be a problem. Ruffs of course grew out of decorating the top of a shift or shirt, with the draw string producing the ruffles; the separate ruff again had the advantage of being usable with other garments, and being cared for separately. Later, lace was sewn to a v narrow strip of lace, the latter being attached to the garment, so that any careless removal could be put right by replacing the narrow edging, rather than the valuable lace. The best image of this sort of jabot I could find in a short search is on a commercial site, of which I have no other knowledge: http://www.civicrobes.com/Pages/Robes/Accessories/Accesories.htm I think it shows how it is constructed, as Jeri described. No herringbone; shortening trousers is a life skill for me unfortunately (5foot 4inch/163cm tall) and I minimise the amount of herringbone I do! As Jeri says, it is a good way for anyone to embellish a blouse as well as a shirt. It needs a fine lace with no wrong side, so Honiton would not be ideal, nor some Beds. However, it would show off a fine Torchon very well, especially if it had a fairly deep fan on the headside - a good project for someone at any level who wanted to make something to wear. leonard...@yahoo.com Would a cravat-style jabot be appropriate for banquets at OIDFA Congresses? If yes, it seems to me that you would receive a respectable amount of attention for your efforts. A shirt with lace attached would need more laundering, resulting in wear-and-tear, than a jabot that can be removed and cleaned only when absolutely necessary. The smaller accessory (square with lace attached) would be easier to clean, press, and pack in a suitcase. The reason many old lace-trimmed garments have suffered damage is because people have been hurried when pressing; so hurried that the point of an iron was often thrust through a lace opening and ripped the lace. In fashions for women, there are blouses that feature jabots, so this is of interest to all. You described how the lace yardage is to be attached to a square of fabric. Can someone on Arachne recommend a resource illustrating the zig-zag means of attaching lace edging to a square of cloth? This would be nice for people with a lot of lace yardage to be assigned to a good use. I am reminded of Canadians who belong to the Five Metre Club. For those not familiar with this honor - members receive recognition for this accomplishment in the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] zig zag lace metallic lace placket
Thank you Leonard! Light bulb ON--starting at the bottom, the lace folds back upon itself at the end of the row steps up slightly to make the next row of appliqued lace. Each new row of lace covers the sewing details of the previous row. This didn't make sense until you specified that the lace must be double-sided. Front back won't do! Am I given to understand that you are using a strip of Elizabethan metallic lace to cover the placket of the dress shirt? Appliqued on, then further secured by way of the studs? Ladies' blouses often have fancy buttons or button covers, but wouldn't this be way more cool? Buttons could easily fit through holes in a very open pattern of plaits picots. Thank you so much for sharing your idea!! Oh my, oh my--what about a little metallic/wire lace motif on the toe of a shoe, edge of a glove, flap of an envelope evening bag etc. etc.? Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sad news
Good morning, Sad news today as we say goodbye to our lacemaker friend Karen Blum in Adelaide, South Australia, who passed away peacefully on Friday after a long illness. She will be terribly missed by her friends for her patience and skill in passing on her lace knowledge to us all, Vale Karen, Shirley T. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other
great Bucks point challenging designs. What is out there? Do you know of a design that would be just as challenging as Miss Channer's Mat and where is the pattern. Be descriptive as to its appearance...maybe were we can see it done up online, who is the designer...have you made any other challenging great laces and what were they...I bet there is much out there we can chatter about to make our lacing vibes tingle and make us put on a happy face. Just think no calories in that is there? But I know I do have a variety cheesecake ( one of my all time favorite comfort foods to eat) in my freezerLets keep the discussion going...there is much we can share...spread the lace around...stand up for LACE it is a good thingI could go on...but please do share.isn't that the reason we are on this listto share?? Wind To Thy Wings, Sherry New York, US of America celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com http://celticdreamweaver.com/ http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/ Nata 616 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other....
On that same note, how about some book reviews on Bucks or other point ground books? I am looking for more intermediate to advanced instruction, I know the basics, and can follow charts if they have a thread path diagram with it, but is there anything out there that will teach you how to read just a pricking? I have the Grammar of Point ground, and am reading through it, and will in the next week or so probably start on doing some of the practise pieces, but am wondering what else is out there. Marianne Marianne Gallant Vernon, BC www.yarnshop.ca m...@shaw.ca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] continuing Miss Channer discussion
Sherry wrote: Do you know of a design that would be just as challenging as Miss Channer's Mat and where is the pattern. Be descriptive as to its appearance...maybe were we can see it done up online, who is the designer.. There is a book called Fine Buckinghamshire Point Lace Patterns belonging to the Misses Pope and Misses Sivewright, Introduction by Christine Springett, that contains prickings that the workers of Bucks Point will find quite challenging. The fan pictured on the front of the book is very pretty, birds flanking a flower pot, with other pots on either side. Personally, I much prefer the appearance of this fan to the appearance of the notorious mat. You can see the photo of the fan on the cover of the book on _www.vansciverbobbinlace.com_ (http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com) in books, under category 5, Bucks Point, etc. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat, by David, on Julian's site
Jeri, In reading all the Channer correspondence, I wondered why no one remembered we were able to see David's mat while it was in progress. David? Do you know where the pictures at various stages of making are - at the present time? Well they're certainly still here on my computer, but I would have no idea where they are online. I also recall seeing another Channer in progress in white by Michelle Long of Australia. This was shortly before mine and inspired me to get cracking on it. David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other....
What about the superb newly published book by our very own Alex Stillwell. Diana Sent from my iPad On 5 Jan 2014, at 01:55, Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca wrote: On that same note, how about some book reviews on Bucks or other point ground books? I am looking for more intermediate to advanced instruction, I know the basics, and can follow charts if they have a thread path diagram with it, but is there anything out there that will teach you how to read just a pricking? I have the Grammar of Point ground, and am reading through it, and will in the next week or so probably start on doing some of the practise pieces, but am wondering what else is out there. Marianne Marianne Gallant Vernon, BC www.yarnshop.ca m...@shaw.ca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
