[lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for diagrams and charts!!! I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! Clay --- Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making lace. Liberally illustrated with a picture of the finished lace, a pricking to copy, and a enlarged drawing of the pricking with clarifying notes in the margin. Plus a written set of instructions explaining every step for achieving the pictured results. >From my experience of learning to make lace in the 1980's, I would really recommend the following book to any beginner, so she can determine what her learning "style" is: "Lace for Children of all Ages" (72 pages), which has the famous beginner's snake, hearts, wedding horseshoes, edgings, Christmas items. And, if you have equipment to play it on, get the video "Successful Bobbin Lacemaking for all Occasions" that was made to go with "Lace for Children ". I still pop this video into a player when a beginner comes to visit. It is very "English", and makes me feel I've made a dream trip to lace fairy land. Starts with how to "manage" your pillow - thread, bobbins, cover cloths, etc. Someone who has been interrupted for several years can go back to it for a quick refresher course. You can stop it anywhere, and replay a section if you don't quite understand.This, and the book with the prickings can get you off to a good start. If you are not near a lace teacher or group, are a busy careerwoman, housebound, wanting to teach children, consider this.. Holly Van Sciver (lace supplier in the US) has a special list of the Springett books and videos at _www.vansciverbobbinlace.com_ (http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com) Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still available to you. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Jeri is absolutely right! There are several different type of learning preferences. I have a charming and very carefully written book by Jennifer Ford called, "A Detailed Guide to Point Ground Bobbin Lace". It was produced in 1986. It is spiral bound - on three sides!! The spiral bound pages of the long (top) side of the book contain detailed diagrams with each pin hole numbered. The smaller pages bound on the left side of the book contain written instructions for each of the five patterns, and beside each step, the lacemaker is referred to a "note". (It appears that three of the prickings have been cut out and are no longer with the book, but two of the prickings remain). The smaller pages bound on the right side of the book contain the "notes" which are specific instructions about how to do various stitches in Point Ground lace. It is arranged this way so that one could open the book to the diagram in question, open the instructions to the step in question, and open the notes to the particular stitch in question, and not have to flip back and forth. I have kept this book because it is so unusual. Has anyone ever worked with it? When I first learned to make lace, I had a borrowed copy of Jennifer Fisher's "Torchon Lace for Today", and I learned a great deal from that book! (Thanks, Tamara!!). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Jeri, Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still available to you. These days in Australia our digital TVs or Set Top Boxes can cope with either PAL or NTSC so it's no big deal any more. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
At the turn of last century when the Princess pillows came out, the best known instruction book was the French DMC book by Dillmont. It was written with numbered step by step instructions. The Princess company used the method available. For many people, this can get them started. But, as mentioned before, people learn and think differently. Some people can never get past checking each step in the book, one by one, through the whole piece of lace. Independent working doesn't come. I'm happy that I live now, and have been exposed to different approaches, so I can use the method that seems most natural to me. Alice in Oregon ... getting ready to go to Disney World for a week and hoping for sun. I'll be off line during that time. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Lucky you!! Wish the US was like that. lrb -Original Message- >From: David C COLLYER >Sent: Mar 4, 2011 10:55 AM >To: jeria...@aol.com, lace@arachne.com >Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless > >>Jeri, >> >>Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will >>not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still >>available to you. > >These days in Australia our digital TVs or Set Top Boxes can cope >with either PAL or NTSC so it's no big deal any more. > >David in Ballarat > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Every day I have to contend with the fact that people learn through different means and bearing in mind that lace is a physical movement of bobbins you would think that it would attract the same type of person but it simply doesn't. When we test our training for work we have to make sure that it satisfies certain criteria - mainly we use VARK (Visual, Auditory, wRitten/Reading and Kinestic) and and Honey Mumford's learning models (Activists, Pragmatists, Theorists and Reflectors. Listening to you guys it's great because you all talk about the different ways that you like to do things. When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. So, which one are you? L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Fri, 4/3/11, Clay Blackwell wrote: From: Clay Blackwell Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless To: jeria...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 15:55 Jeri is absolutely right! There are several different type of learning preferences. I have a charming and very carefully written book by Jennifer Ford called, "A Detailed Guide to Point Ground Bobbin Lace". It was produced in 1986. It is spiral bound - on three sides!! The spiral bound pages of the long (top) side of the book contain detailed diagrams with each pin hole numbered. The smaller pages bound on the left side of the book contain written instructions for each of the five patterns, and beside each step, the lacemaker is referred to a "note". (It appears that three of the prickings have been cut out and are no longer with the book, but two of the prickings remain). The smaller pages bound on the right side of the book contain the "notes" which are specific instructions about how to do various stitches in Point Ground lace. It is arranged this way so that one could open the book to the diagram in question, open the instructions to the step in question, and open the notes to the particular stitch in question, and not have to flip back and forth. I have kept this book because it is so unusual. Has anyone ever worked with it? When I first learned to make lace, I had a borrowed copy of Jennifer Fisher's "Torchon Lace for Today", and I learned a great deal from that book! (Thanks, Tamara!!). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA > > Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in > plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books > included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, > and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making > lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Clay and all, For now think I am way newer than you and without benefit of knowing how to knit or crochet, I really need the instructions and diagrams. My dear "teacher" in England is sooo patient with me, but if I didn't have her very detailed instructions, I would never have been able to complete my first ever angel!! I am very new and have not even gotten to the point where I can look at a pricking and determine what type lace it is. I have many prickings from a lady who had done lace for many many years and she had no diagrams or instructions for them. Until I learn more than I know now, these are a mystery to me. Sallie On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, wrote: > Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting > (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I > re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, > and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! > > Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out > instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for > diagrams and charts!!! > I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! > > Clay > --- > > Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in > plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books > included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still > available, > and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making > lace. > > Liberally illustrated with a picture of the finished lace, a pricking to > copy, and a enlarged drawing of the pricking with clarifying notes in the > margin. Plus a written set of instructions explaining every step for > achieving the pictured results. > > From my experience of learning to make lace in the 1980's, I would really > recommend the following book to any beginner, so she can determine what > her > learning "style" is: "Lace for Children of all Ages" (72 pages), which > has the famous beginner's snake, hearts, wedding horseshoes, edgings, > Christmas items. > > And, if you have equipment to play it on, get the video "Successful Bobbin > Lacemaking for all Occasions" that was made to go with "Lace for > Children ". I still pop this video into a player when a beginner > comes to > visit. It is very "English", and makes me feel I've made a dream trip to > lace > fairy land. Starts with how to "manage" your pillow - thread, bobbins, > cover cloths, etc. Someone who has been interrupted for several years can > go > back to it for a quick refresher course. You can stop it anywhere, and > replay a section if you don't quite understand.This, and the book > with > the prickings can get you off to a good start. If you are not near a lace > teacher or group, are a busy careerwoman, housebound, wanting to teach > children, consider this.. > > Holly Van Sciver (lace supplier in the US) has a special list of the > Springett books and videos at _www.vansciverbobbinlace.com_ > (http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com) > > Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will > not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still > available to you. > > Jeri Ames in Maine USA > Lace and Embroidery Resource Center > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I am definitely an activist!! Cannot understand written instructions so I barge in and solve problems as they arrive!!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. >>Every day I have to contend with the fact that people learn through different means and bearing in mind that lace is a physical movement of bobbins you would think that it would attract the same type of person but it simply doesn't.>>> - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I definitely started as an activist. Observed a demo and tried it from memory at home. But then I decided to be pragmatic and turned to a library. Jo > I am definitely an activist!! Cannot understand written > instructions so I barge in and solve problems as they arrive!!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Liz, I'd like to think that Pragmatists, in your example, might find a teacher and start riding with training wheels or someone to steady them. I don't think that only Activists would actually get on the bike--even Theorists and Reflectors might eventually! I say this because I might be considered somewhere between a Pragmatist and Theorist, in that I taught myself bobbin lace from books, even Flanders and Binche, only taking classes after starting each type from books. (Maybe a little bit of Activist since I have worked from a pricking without any diagrams or model/picture, but that was only Torchon.) Anyway, I'd like to think that all learning types would eventually get on the bike and learn to ride it themselves! Nancy Connecticut USA From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 4:57:28 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Nancy, You are correct - I should have mentioned that eventually all the types are expected to get on the bike ... and some with trainer wheels. If I'm going to be totally accurate then Honey Mumford's model actually suggests that we have a little of all the styles in us but when push comes to shove we will fall back on our preferred style. There is also evidence that if you are forced or encouraged to learn in one of your non preferred styles you will retain the information better. I have had an argument with another trainer who says that all adult learners are voluntary and so are never forced to learn in a style they don't prefer and I have referred him to craft learning where there is no teacher so you may have to start as a theorist because book learning is your only option. If this isn't being forced into a style then I don't know what is. Now, here is another one for you all. The Dunning Kruger effect. This theory is based on a statement by Charles Darwin; "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge". The premise with the Dunning Kruger effect is that the more knowledge you have the more self aware you are and able to know how much further you have to go. High education people often will rate their ability lower than it is because they understand that they still have a lot to learn. Lower skilled people over rate their ability consistantly and not just in their jobs but also the studies have shown in chess and driving as two examples. What I find very interesting with the Lace on Acrachne is that whilst we all have very different educational backgrounds we are all very proactive in adding to our knowledge on lacemaking and crafts and we are all modest about our abilities which makes the group a really nice place to be. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Sat, 5/3/11, Nancy Neff wrote: From: Nancy Neff Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless To: "The Lace Bee" , jeria...@aol.com, "Clay Blackwell" Cc: lace@arachne.com Date: Saturday, 5 March, 2011, 16:56 Liz, I'd like to think that Pragmatists, in your example, might find a teacher and start riding with training wheels or someone to steady them. I don't think that only Activists would actually get on the bike--even Theorists and Reflectors might eventually! I say this because I might be considered somewhere between a Pragmatist and Theorist, in that I taught myself bobbin lace from books, even Flanders and Binche, only taking classes after starting each type from books. (Maybe a little bit of Activist since I have worked from a pricking without any diagrams or model/picture, but that was only Torchon.) Anyway, I'd like to think that all learning types would eventually get on the bike and learn to ride it themselves! Nancy Connecticut USA From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 4:57:28 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
A name for it--thank you, Liz! "The Dunning Kruger effect" I've always just said it as "The more you know, the more you know how much you don't know." And of course, Darwin said it better, as usual... From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell ; Nancy Neff Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 1:15:27 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless ... Now, here is another one for you all. The Dunning Kruger effect. This theory is based on a statement by Charles Darwin; "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge". The premise with the Dunning Kruger effect is that the more knowledge you have the more self aware you are and able to know how much further you have to go. High education people often will rate their ability lower than it is because they understand that they still have a lot to learn. ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Hi All, This is not bobbin lace, but nevertheless lace - crocheting. I first learned from my grandmother when I was about 9 1/2 when she was dieing from cancer, and I taught my girls, one at about 6. Jeanette now lives in Windsor, Ontario, and in the last few months before she left home for Canada, one of her friends was having a baby. Since I first taught her at 6, she only did granny squares - just large ones for babies. I did not give her a choice, bought a pattern for a shawl and told her she was going to make that one. Following the experience of learning to read a pattern, she has produced some amazing things including a striped rug with 3D sunflowers. Seems to be like unlocking something or holding their hands while they take the first step then they are off. Personally, I learned from the Correspondence Course run by the Australian Lace Guild, the text of which is Rosemary Shepard's book. Having started school with Correspondence (now called Distance Education here) could have helped. I can learn from books on my own after having studied the text, watched videos - am about to launch my "Tape Lace" stage. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I too learned from Rosemary Shepherd's book. But my help at the time was the Arachne list (12 years ago now!) who came to my aid on many occasions. Have fun with your "Tape Lace" stage Mary - Arachne was invaluable when I started mine. Noelene in Cooma I'm a pragmatist, I think, from Liz's Honey Mumford list, with leanings of being an activist. nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au > Personally, I learned from the Correspondence Course run by the Australian > Lace Guild, the text of which is Rosemary Shepard's book. > - am about to launch my "Tape Lace" stage. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
