[lace] scarf pattern

[Janice Blair]

I purchased a pattern for a scarf designed by Christine Mirecki entitled Schal
Sabrina.  I think it is written in German and I can work out the color scheme
and I know that LP means the worker pair but I don't know what Obere
Schalkante - Anfang means or Der Schal wird mit drei verschiedenen Farben
gekloppelt. 

The pattern looks like it can be made in three parts as there is what appears
to be a dotted line down the pattern between each part.  The pattern is
marked  anhakeln at the end of that line.  Am I correct?

Over each part it states the number of pairs used.  What does Streifen mean?

Also the thread calls for Yaspe shantung 100% siede, silk, soie Nm 30/2 Nel
50/2
I don't see it in Brenda's book but I think it could be 18 wraps.  Am I
correct?

It is basically a Torchon pattern but not a straight design.  As there are
definite workers, and no half stitch involved, just cloth and spiders, how can
I assess how much to put on the passives?  Normally I say 3 times the length
but I think that might be too much.  Would I be okay with 1 1/2 times the
proposed scarf length?

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Kloeppelkiste]

Hello Janice,
I don't know the scarf, but


 Obere
Schalkante - Anfang 
  

means upper edge of the scarf - start



or Der Schal wird mit drei verschiedenen Farben
gekloppelt. 

  

The scarf is done with three different colors

The pattern looks like it can be made in three parts as there is what appears
to be a dotted line down the pattern between each part.  The pattern is
marked  anhakeln at the end of that line.  Am I correct?
  

I think so.

Over each part it states the number of pairs used.  What does Streifen mean?
  

strips

I hope this helps a bit,
greetings from
Gabriele,
Chemnitz, Germany

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[bev walker]

Hi Janice and everyone

Brenda will confirm this I'm sure - I have Yaspé silk, and have seen it in
T4L, it is put up by Bart & Francis, so check Brenda's threads per that
brand.
On the length for passives, if you don't want to run out, wind on lots ~

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Janice Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Also the thread calls for Yaspe shantung 100% siede, silk, soie Nm 30/2 Nel
> 50/2
> I don't see it in Brenda's book but I think it could be 18 wraps.  Am I
> correct?
>
>

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Janice Blair]

Thank you for the quick replies. The translations came out similar to what I
was thinking it meant.  As I thought, the scarf can be made in 3 pieces which
eliminates having to have a pillow about 11 inches wide.  It might be nice to
work it all together if I can rig up a roller pillow wide enough, then I will
see the full effect of the color changes.

I do have a silk thread I picked up in England that I was thinking of using. 
It does have a slub to it but it might be worth trying.  It is a Texere Yarn
called Floral Silks and the group I bought was a Blended Silk Selection called
Moor & Loch, a blend of silk wool and cotton.  I have 5 spools left with 250
meters on a spool.  Wonder if that will be enough, will have to do some math
before I start, not my strong point.

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

www.jblace.com

www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com

http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com

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Subject: Re: [lace] scarf pattern
To: "Janice Blair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "lace" 
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:39 AM

Hello Janice,
I don't know the scarf, but

>  Obere
> Schalkante - Anfang
>
means upper edge of the scarf - start


> or Der Schal wird mit drei verschiedenen Farben
> gekloppelt.
>
>
The scarf is done with three different colors
> The pattern looks like it can be made in three parts as there is what
appears
> to be a dotted line down the pattern between each part.  The pattern is
> marked  anhakeln at the end of that line.  Am I correct?
>
I think so.
> Over each part it states the number of pairs used.  What does Streifen
mean?
>
strips

I hope this helps a bit,
greetings from
Gabriele,
Chemnitz, Germany

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Janice Blair]

Hi Bev,
I have heard that Bart and Francis sell the silk but I wondered what T4L in
your email means.
Janice

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

www.jblace.com

www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com

http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com

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To: "Janice Blair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 10:50 AM

Hi Janice and everyone

Brenda will confirm this I'm sure - I
have Yaspé silk, and have seen it in T4L, it is put up by Bart &
Francis, so check Brenda's threads per that brand.
On the length for passives, if you don't want to run out, wind on lots ~

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Janice Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Also the thread calls for Yaspe shantung 100% siede, silk, soie Nm 30/2 Nel

50/2

I don't see it in Brenda's book but I think it could be 18 wraps.  Am I

correct?




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Canada

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Brenda Paternoster]

Yaspe (Jaspe) silk from Bart & Francis is in Addendum3 and Edition 4, 
page 45.


I measured it as 20 w/cm, but it's a slub thread so difficult to get an 
accurate measurement.
I have just finished (bank holiday weekend) a torchon edging made with 
Filato per Tombolo di Cantu 30 with Yaspe 30/2 for the workers.  Not 
conventional to mix cotton and silk but I wanted to see how the Yaspe 
worked up.  The mat's to big to get it all onto the scanner so I'll 
need to mess about with the camera to get a proper pic for the website 
gallery, but I've added a scan of 1/4 of it to:

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/lacepics/lacepics.html

Brenda

Also the thread calls for Yaspe shantung 100% siede, silk, soie Nm 
30/2 Nel

50/2
I don't see it in Brenda's book but I think it could be 18 wraps.  Am I
correct?



Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Janice Blair]

Hi Brenda,
Thanks for the information and the link to your piece.  When I go through your
site I feel inadequate when I see the amount of lace you have made, and so
beautifully!
Janice

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

www.jblace.com

www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com

http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com

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To: "Janice Blair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "lace" 
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 12:51 PM

Yaspe (Jaspe) silk from Bart & Francis is in Addendum3 and Edition 4,
page 45.

I measured it as 20 w/cm, but it's a slub thread so difficult to get an
accurate measurement.
I have just finished (bank holiday weekend) a torchon edging made with
Filato per Tombolo di Cantu 30 with Yaspe 30/2 for the workers.  Not
conventional to mix cotton and silk but I wanted to see how the Yaspe
worked up.  The mat's to big to get it all onto the scanner so I'll
need to mess about with the camera to get a proper pic for the website
gallery, but I've added a scan of 1/4 of it to:
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/lacepics/lacepics.html

Brenda

> Also the thread calls for Yaspe shantung 100% siede, silk, soie Nm
> 30/2 Nel
> 50/2
> I don't see it in Brenda's book but I think it could be 18
wraps.  Am I
> correct?
>

Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Steph Peters]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT), Janice wrote:
> As I thought, the scarf can be made in 3 pieces which
>eliminates having to have a pillow about 11 inches wide.  It might be nice to
>work it all together if I can rig up a roller pillow wide enough, then I will
>see the full effect of the color changes.

I have met Christine Mirecki several times, and translated one or two
pattern leaflets for her.  She would definitely make all her scarf patterns
on a wide block pillow.  Doing all three colours at once means needing a lot
of space and having a lot of bobbins around, but at any time usually only
one colour is being worked so the other colours can be bundled out of the
way.  A few extra bobbins are needed in work every time you get to a join. 

 There is an important factor to consider if you do the scarf in separate
sections, joining as you go.  When you unpin the worked section of the scarf
it will pull in from the pricking size.  You are going to have to restretch
the first section to repin it down for joining the second section, and then
the same again for joining the third section to the second.  The type of
silk I have seen used in Germany for these scarves seems to pull in a lot,
so this could be a real difficulty to overcome.
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Re: [lace] scarf pattern

[Kloeppelkiste]

Steph Peters schrieb:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT), Janice wrote:
  
There is an important factor to consider if you do the scarf in separate

sections, joining as you go.  When you unpin the worked section of the scarf
it will pull in from the pricking size.  You are going to have to restretch
the first section to repin it down for joining the second section, and then
the same again for joining the third section to the second.  The type of
silk I have seen used in Germany for these scarves seems to pull in a lot,
so this could be a real difficulty to overcome.
  
May be I mentioned earlier: whenever you work with silk, make the lace 
wet and let it dry before you pull out the pins. It will pull in much 
lesser and hold the shape better.


Greetings,
Gabriele, Chemnitz, Germany

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[lace] thread inventory & lace scarf pattern

[hottleco]

Hello All!  As a card carrying member of ANG (American Needlepoint Guild), I 
wanted to share a little item I found on that group's Yahoo list--thread 
inventory apps for hand-held devices.  While I don't claim to be organized to 
this extent--LOL!!!--I can see where this could be handy.  The gal at 
www.lkreinmiller.com has created Xcel spreadsheets for Anchor, DMC, Dinky Dyes, 
Silk n Ivory, Vineyard, Caron, Soie d'Alger, Rainbow Gallery & Kreinik threads. 
 They are available for free download on her site & can be synced with 
hand-helds.  Many of these threads are too heavy for us (other than gimps), but 
the point is--is there a lacemaker who would do the same for "our" threads?  
Whenever I'm at a workshop & threads are available for purchase, they call my 
name.  So sweetly in fact, that I've purchased the same threads on several 
occasions!  If I could launch myself into the 21st century, I could have my 
thread inventory at my fingertips.  Since I'm not a techie, I'm throwing t!
 his out for general discussion.  As to the lace scarf, I'm intrigued but it's 
Greek to me!  What is stockings stitch?  And I don't understand what to do at 
the end of the 1st Row, nor the section where the crocheted stitch is slipped 
over the 1st stitch on the needle.  Would David or another expert please advise 
so that I may mark my copy that I've printed?  Perhaps there is a picture that 
could be uploaded to webshots showing the finished item?  It sounds like there 
are strips that are semi free-floating?  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, 
Erie, PA USA recently returned from a needlepoint event at Legacy Village 
(Beachwood, OH)  

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Re: [lace] thread inventory & lace scarf pattern

[bev walker]

Hello Susan and everyone
Scarf pattern:
For the first row you can either do P 1, P2 tog. across or K 1, K2
tog. across and that row is repeated for every row of the lace part.
Stocking(s) stitch is stockinette stitch, written st st usually - over
two rows, knit 1 row, purl 1 row.

The crochet is just to bring your thread back to the bottom of the
most recently made strip so that you can start the next one. You don't
do this for the last strip because you will be picking up all the
stitches set aside on safety pins to continue the scarf. There is a
second set of strips that are woven through the first set before
resuming the st st rows and lace.

If this really is foreign to you, and you would still like to try it,
I suggest following the instructions using garter stitch (knit every
row). The garter stitch on large needles will give a lace-like effect,
and the smaller size needles will condense the work as needed.

A tip to try if there isn't a picture, read through the instructions
carefully, sketching each section as if you have just finished
knitting it to get the general idea of what it looks like ;)

On 11/3/11, hottl...@neo.rr.com  wrote:


>  What is stockings stitch?  And I don't understand what to
> do at the end of the 1st Row, nor the section where the crocheted stitch is
> slipped over the 1st stitch on the needle.  Would David or another expert
> please advise so that I may mark my copy that I've printed?  Perhaps there
> is a picture that could be uploaded to webshots showing the finished item?
> It sounds like there are strips that are semi free-floating?

-- 
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coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] thread inventory & lace scarf pattern

[robinlace]

- bev walker  wrote: 
For the first row you can either do P 1, P2 tog. across or K 1, K2 tog. across 
and that row is repeated for every row of the lace part.  Stocking(s) stitch is 
stockinette stitch, written st st usually - over two rows, knit 1 row, purl 1 
row.-

Bev, P1, P2tog (or K1, K2tog) across the row will decrease the number of 
stitches by 1/3 every time you do it.  There is no increase to balance each 
P2tog (or K2tog).  If you do this for 30 cm. (12 in.) you will have decreased 
down to nothing!

There's also no yo to make lace holes.  I don't understand why you suggest 
doing this.  Am I missing something?

Robin

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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Re: [lace] thread inventory & lace scarf pattern

[bev walker]

On 11/3/11, robinl...@socal.rr.com  wrote:
>
>   Am I missing something?

Yes ;)
I was replying to Susan's message, per her question, what the
instructions at the end of row 1 meant (there is some stuff in
brackets). From her reply to me, it seems she sorted it out :)

To keep track: The stitch count is 20. There are 9 of YO per row, 9 of
2 tog., and 1 stitch at each end worked plain.

I had to grab the nearest available yarn and have a go. The scarf is
working up nicely and lacy - I'm using 2/10 acrylic weaving yarn.

-- 
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coast of Canada

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