RE: [lace] Finally finished a shawl
Ok...I created a monster I know, Avital, I wrote you privately talking about all the corrections I had found. Well, as I said I was going to do, I started re-charting the shawl pattern to put the corrections in. However, no matter how I did it, the inside inner border didn't fit in the way I wanted it to. The distance between the center design, the inside inner border and the outside inner border was fine going from the bottom up but not fine going from the left to the right. So, I started cutting up graph paper and taping it all together to make more room...and I started charting from the bottom chart up...(bottom, left side AND right side) I found the inside inner border suddenly had wonderful spacing, and I went to town. I also took a few liberties with other design elements to make it even more pleasing to my eyes. 90% of it I did without even looking at the original charts...it just started flowing like a river. Been working on it like a possessed woman since last Thursday. I am, as we speak, almost done with my charts. Complete up through the entire center medallion. (very easy to pick up the rest from the lower charts...just work downhill) I am ecstatic at the results. It is enough like the original that I would not say it is my design but it is definitely a new variation of the design. Not everything is the same. I am trying to figure out the dilemma of how to copy them off in separate charts. I am going to have 4 rows of charts...each row will be 3 charts deep (ie, bottom will be 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 in # and then 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3...on up to 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3. I also need to put a 2 space cross-over on the edges of the charts for matching the charts up together etc. I can simply copy my charts onto 11 x 8 1/2 graph paper working from left to rightand hope I don't mess up. Very hard to do when you have to do it all by hand (at least I use pencil so it can be erased LOL) The other option I have, is to simply cut the current graphs into equal thirds, paste them to matching 11 x 8 1/2 graph paper and add the 2 spaces needed for matching the graphs. Then, copy them and hope the result is neat enough to follow. You must remember that I have taped together various bits of graph paper here and there to accommodate my changes. Trying to match up 14 sq per inch graph paper perfectly is NOT an easy job...and they may not copy off as neatly as I hope. Oh, I should tell you that I worked on the graph paper in landscape mode. The end result is so long I need to roll it up to store it. I fear that if I fold anything it will definitely make it harder to copy and to read. I can tell you that the 34 tooth border on the bottom is now a 42 tooth border. That should give you an idea about the change size wise. You will probably approve since you have found some shawls to come up small by your standards. I am staying with the same border...the corner turns will follow her instructions to the letter. I have the original 34 tooth border I made to fit her pattern. (I frogged out all the rest) I will increase it to 42, turn the right corner and work across the body of the pattern and turn the left corner...then go up enough rows to get some of the pattern knit up. As soon as I am sure everything is working the way it should, I will divide up, copy and scan everything. At that point I will share it with you. I want to share it with Galina as well. I think, however, I will finish it completely before I do that. I am sure she would like to see a picture of the finished shawl as well as the charts. Well, I am exhausted from the work...I have nerve damage in my left hand (I am a leftie) and it makes the work not easy or pleasant but I am so carried away artistically that it has literally bubbled out and I can't be away from it long...I keep getting pulled back to work further. I hope to be entirely done later tonight or tomorrow. It will feel good to start knitting again and not have to put pencil to paper LOL. I think it was a delightful exercise for the brain and definitely broke through any designing barriers (ie lack of confidence and fear?) that I may have had about designing one of my own shawls. There are a couple of pictures of shawls in the first book of Galina's that I liked and would like to chart out what I think I see in them. (not this month though...think I will force myself to wait until April to start another chart project.) I definitely understand now why the Medallion is the hardest of the of the Orenburg shawls. Being so beautiful though, it is hard to resist. Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Finally finished a shawl
Thanks for the support. I replied to a few people and unfortunately most of them, it seems, went private due to me forgetting that I have to hit reply ALL not just reply when I send. If anyone wishes to share their reply with the group.please feel free to do so. Cearbhael _ From: Norma Harris [mailto:nrm_h...@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:18 PM To: 'Avital'; 'Arachne.com'; cearbh...@mywdo.com Subject: RE: [lace] Finally finished a shawl I'm another who is enjoying the lace shawl discussion and hope it will continue here. Haven't decided on my next lace shawl, but an leaning much. Thanks, Norma (in VA) http://normasneedlez.blogspot.com http://sistersstitching.blogspot.com NATA #847 Your worth consists in what you are and not in what you have. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I am still waiting to get the Estonian Lace Shawls book. I have a pattern or two of Nancy Bush's that I found in Piecework magazine and out of another knitted lace book. The book is on my wish list at Amazon LOL... Cearbhael Me too! Especially as I was given Nancy Bush's Estonian Lace Shawls book for Christmas Sue - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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When my mother was still with us, every time there was a new baby expected in the family she would knit a shawl called The Tree of Life it is a beautiful pattern and I lost count of how many she had knitted. When she passed away my youngest son and his wife has just got married and when they were expecting their first child my DIL was quite upset because she would not get a shawl like all the others for their babies, luckily I had kept some of mums knitting patterns (the ones that had memories mainly) so I took on the mantle of new baby shawl knitter I am so glad that there have not been too many babies since that time because it is extremely time consuming, but satisfying. If you want to see the pattern it is on webshots if anybody wants any further information please contact me privately Sue M Harvey NorfolkUK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Hi Sue - I tried to see your shawl on the webshots site, and although I found your file, there wasn't a picture of the shawl in it. Did I do something wrong? Clay On 2/25/2010 6:37 PM, Sue wrote: When my mother was still with us, every time there was a new baby expected in the family she would knit a shawl called The Tree of Life it is a beautiful pattern and I lost count of how many she had knitted. When she passed away my youngest son and his wife has just got married and when they were expecting their first child my DIL was quite upset because she would not get a shawl like all the others for their babies, luckily I had kept some of mums knitting patterns (the ones that had memories mainly) so I took on the mantle of new baby shawl knitter I am so glad that there have not been too many babies since that time because it is extremely time consuming, but satisfying. If you want to see the pattern it is on webshots if anybody wants any further information please contact me privately Sue M Harvey NorfolkUK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Oooo! Lucky you! The shawl I made is the Queen Silvia! Clay On 2/23/2010 10:39 PM, Sue Babbs wrote: Me too! Especially as I was given Nancy Bush's Estonian Lace Shawls book for Christmas - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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How do I find a pattern for the lacey Orenburg shawls? Becca Did you see the photos of the real Orenburg shawls that my officemate's grandmother has? They're not the museum pieces that one finds in books but still, they were interesting to examine closely. http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/orenburg-shawls/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Yes, Avital, I was referring to the medallion shawl in the Gossamer Webs Design Collection. She warns you up front that it is hard but that once you truly understand the method of the Russian patterns you can intuit the rest. I pretty much do understand the method and the patterns and no they are never symmetrical. You can not take half and then mirror the other half...You can in many European laces (like Shetland etc) but not the Russian. They always have an extra stitch either on the left inside border or on left or right side of the center. I have chronic pain syndrome due to an old accident and am on hefty pain meds. It makes it hard for me to focus and my memory gets funny very quickly...When I started my shawl, I decided to mirror the first 3 repeats, to make it less frustrating. I divided the shawl up with stitch markers into equal sections of 24 stitches with 25 stitches on the right side center (the center marked with a different color stitch marker) Both inner borders are 16 stitches and the outer border is what it is. Now I look at it and it looks great to others but I know that the stitches are not correct in the mirror image sections. It bothers the heck out of me, I can be very critical of my work. So, I am charting since I can't just gather it all in my head and retain it through the whole line...I think I have it then my mind lets go of it (dang short memory) So...I will chart that left side the way it should be (and yeah it will be MY interpretation of the left side) When I get it done...if your interested in trying it my way I can send you my left side charts. I am not sure how neat I will be or anything but I will be working in pencil at first so I can change things. I am on row 130 of my shawl already and will need to frog a major portion of this (probably everything down to the inner border.) I also found a few major errors in the charts in the book. Off the top of my head I can't tell you what or what patterns the errors were in. I have yet to inform Galina (I have her email address but she and her husband travel a LOT to do seminars etc on Orenburg lace) I will send her an email and find out if she is interested in my corrections or not. I did get the original book she put out. Gossamer Webs: the History and Techniques of Orenburg Lace Shawls. It has a large square shawl in it that isn't a medallion but it has the complete chart. It is out of print but it can be purchased from private sellers either new or used (very expensive) My copy cost me over $60.00. I will share the errors with you as soon as I can make them understandable to others. My way of notation and correction can be messy and illegible to others sometimes (yeah I work with photo copies of my charts so I can scribble) Yes I saw your picture's of your friends Grandmother's shawls...they were lovely. I am especially intrigued by the clustered stitches in the center of the diamonds. I am wondering if it is similar to the Neps in the Estonian shawls. (Neps are very very hard to do though quite beautiful) I am using lacey lamb by Jade Creations for the gossamer shawls and kid/Moreno for the warm shawls. (that way you get that fuzzy halo that the warm shawls have from the goat down) I think I used baby alpaca for the triangular shawl I completed (it is just a tad heavier than the lacey lamb)Nothing I have done has been stretched out yet and yeah I agree with you about the corners being a tad tight... I, like you, find the Russian graft method challenging...I found a much better explanation in a pattern of Galina's that was printed in Piecework Magazine. My sis brought it to show me and I copied the better explanation and will use it next time I graft again. I know that I did it wrong but what I did worked satisfactorily. If you want to chat more about the shawls, we can do it off list if this is OT...? Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Dear Avital and Cearbhael, I am enjoying your discussion of the shawls! Please don't take it private! I think knitted lace is as relevant to this list as tatting or needle lace, and it is something that I enjoy quite a bit. I completed one of the shawls in Nancy Bush's Estonian Lace Shawls book, and it's lovely! It wasn't easy, but it wasn't as difficult as Russian lace. One rather haughty woman announced rather loudly that it wasn't really knitted lace, and I emphatically corrected her, saying she had insulted a fine tradition in Estonia. It isn't Russian or Shetland, it's Estonian. They're all fine (and different) traditions. Clay On 2/23/2010 5:04 PM, cearbh...@mywdo.com wrote: Yes, Avital, I was referring to the medallion shawl in the Gossamer Webs Design Collection. She warns you up front that it is hard but that once you truly understand the method of the Russian patterns you can intuit the rest. I pretty much do understand the method and the patterns and no they are never symmetrical. You can not take half and then mirror the other half...You can in many European laces (like Shetland etc) but not the Russian. They always have an extra stitch either on the left inside border or on left or right side of the center. I have chronic pain syndrome due to an old accident and am on hefty pain meds. It makes it hard for me to focus and my memory gets funny very quickly...When I started my shawl, I decided to mirror the first 3 repeats, to make it less frustrating. I divided the shawl up with stitch markers into equal sections of 24 stitches with 25 stitches on the right side center (the center marked with a different color stitch marker) Both inner borders are 16 stitches and the outer border is what it is. Now I look at it and it looks great to others but I know that the stitches are not correct in the mirror image sections. It bothers the heck out of me, I can be very critical of my work. So, I am charting since I can't just gather it all in my head and retain it through the whole line...I think I have it then my mind lets go of it (dang short memory) So...I will chart that left side the way it should be (and yeah it will be MY interpretation of the left side) When I get it done...if your interested in trying it my way I can send you my left side charts. I am not sure how neat I will be or anything but I will be working in pencil at first so I can change things. I am on row 130 of my shawl already and will need to frog a major portion of this (probably everything down to the inner border.) I also found a few major errors in the charts in the book. Off the top of my head I can't tell you what or what patterns the errors were in. I have yet to inform Galina (I have her email address but she and her husband travel a LOT to do seminars etc on Orenburg lace) I will send her an email and find out if she is interested in my corrections or not. I did get the original book she put out. Gossamer Webs: the History and Techniques of Orenburg Lace Shawls. It has a large square shawl in it that isn't a medallion but it has the complete chart. It is out of print but it can be purchased from private sellers either new or used (very expensive) My copy cost me over $60.00. I will share the errors with you as soon as I can make them understandable to others. My way of notation and correction can be messy and illegible to others sometimes (yeah I work with photo copies of my charts so I can scribble) Yes I saw your picture's of your friends Grandmother's shawls...they were lovely. I am especially intrigued by the clustered stitches in the center of the diamonds. I am wondering if it is similar to the Neps in the Estonian shawls. (Neps are very very hard to do though quite beautiful) I am using lacey lamb by Jade Creations for the gossamer shawls and kid/Moreno for the warm shawls. (that way you get that fuzzy halo that the warm shawls have from the goat down) I think I used baby alpaca for the triangular shawl I completed (it is just a tad heavier than the lacey lamb)Nothing I have done has been stretched out yet and yeah I agree with you about the corners being a tad tight... I, like you, find the Russian graft method challenging...I found a much better explanation in a pattern of Galina's that was printed in Piecework Magazine. My sis brought it to show me and I copied the better explanation and will use it next time I graft again. I know that I did it wrong but what I did worked satisfactorily. If you want to chat more about the shawls, we can do it off list if this is OT...? Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I'm another who is enjoying the lace shawl discussion and hope it will continue here. Haven't decided on my next lace shawl, but an leaning much. Thanks, Norma (in VA) http://normasneedlez.blogspot.com http://sistersstitching.blogspot.com NATA #847 Your worth consists in what you are and not in what you have. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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I'm another who is enjoying the lace shawl discussion and hope it will continue here. Me too! Especially as I was given Nancy Bush's Estonian Lace Shawls book for Christmas Sue - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Go back to the blog posting and scroll all the way down to the end, just before the comments. There are links to both Galina's books. Avital On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:02 AM, laceviolins...@comcast.net wrote: How do I find a pattern for the lacey Orenburg shawls? Becca Did you see the photos of the real Orenburg shawls that my officemate's grandmother has? They're not the museum pieces that one finds in books but still, they were interesting to examine closely. http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/orenburg-shawls/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:04 AM, cearbh...@mywdo.com wrote: quickly...When I started my shawl, I decided to mirror the first 3 repeats, to make it less frustrating. I divided the shawl up with stitch markers into equal sections of 24 stitches with 25 stitches on the right side center (the center marked with a different color stitch marker) Both inner borders are It sounds as though the problem may have been your setting up the markers with an equal number of stitches. The patterns always have an uneven number, so that won't work. critical of my work. So, I am charting since I can't just gather it all in my head and retain it through the whole line...I think I have it then my mind lets go of it (dang short memory) So...I will chart that left side the way it should be (and yeah it will be MY interpretation of the left side) When I get it done...if your interested in trying it my way I can send you my left side charts. I am not sure how neat I will be or anything but I Thanks for the offer, but I think I'll be able to manage. I have a good memory for long strings of symbols (hey--I'm a tech writer and all that code documentation has to be good for something!) ;-) what or what patterns the errors were in. I have yet to inform Galina (I have her email address but she and her husband travel a LOT to do seminars etc on Orenburg lace) I will send her an email and find out if she is interested in my corrections or not. I did get the original book she put You can always try but she's not good at answering emails... I know there are errors but so far I haven't found anything too serious. The chart for the triangular shawl seemed one row out of synch with the border in the last rows, but it wasn't too difficult to fix. out. Gossamer Webs: the History and Techniques of Orenburg Lace Shawls. It has a large square shawl in it that isn't a medallion but it has the complete chart. It is out of print but it can be purchased from private sellers either new or used (very expensive) My copy cost me over $60.00. I $60?! Wow. You mean for the whole book, not the chart alone? I'm glad I bought it when it was in print. Actually, the square shawl (called Eastern Star or something like that) is really a rectangle. When I noticed that, I lost all interest in making it. I know that sounds strange but it disturbs my sense of symmetry. Yes I saw your picture's of your friends Grandmother's shawls...they were lovely. I am especially intrigued by the clustered stitches in the center of the diamonds. I am wondering if it is similar to the Neps in the Estonian shawls. (Neps are very very hard to do though quite beautiful) I am using Yes, the stitch clusters are similar to the neps in Estonian shawls. (And, yes, neps are tough to do. I find it requires a verrry loose tension so that the working yarn will pass through all those stitches. Russians seem to work with extremely loose tension.) A friend who's interested in Russian lace-knitting thinks that some of those stitch patterns spread past their areas of origin through shared patterns, etc., so one finds Estonian motifs in Orenburg. People do move around. That particular shawl was knitted by a friend of Masha's grandmother, so it's anyone's guess where the knitter came from or where she got her pattern. Masha's grandmother was born in St. Petersburg and moved to Orenburg when her husband got a job installing the phone line between the two places. She's still alive, BTW, although her husband died some time ago. Avital -- Blog: http://apinnick.wordpress.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Avital, I just went to your website and noticed you do the Orenburg shawls...went back through my emails and found this. I am an Orenburg shawl fanatic. I have 1 triangular shawl done. I also have 1 rectangular shawl, 1 square shawl and one warm Orenburg shawl in the works... The square one is the hardest. It is a medallion square and only has 1/4 of the pattern charted. I am working on finishing the lower left 1/4 of the shawl chart. I started the shawl and tried to just intuit the pattern but it is not that simple. It is not a symmetrical pattern and from my experience so far with the Orenburg shawls the left is NOT a mirror of the right...So I stopped knitting and am working on charting now. Besides I have the rectangular shawl to finish and the warm one is just getting started. Your shawl by the way is gorgeous... Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Thanks, Cearbhael! Are you referring to the medallion shawl in the Gossamer Webs Design Collection? I was thinking of trying that one myself. It's not symmetrical? Hmmm. Will have to take a closer look at the charts. Did you see the photos of the real Orenburg shawls that my officemate's grandmother has? They're not the museum pieces that one finds in books but still, they were interesting to examine closely. http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/orenburg-shawls/ Avital On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:05 AM, cearbh...@mywdo.com wrote: Avital, I just went to your website and noticed you do the Orenburg shawls...went back through my emails and found this. I am an Orenburg shawl fanatic. I have 1 triangular shawl done. I also have 1 rectangular shawl, 1 square shawl and one warm Orenburg shawl in the works... The square one is the hardest. It is a medallion square and only has 1/4 of the pattern charted. I am working on finishing the lower left 1/4 of the shawl chart. I started the shawl and tried to just intuit the pattern but it is not that simple. It is not a symmetrical pattern and from my experience so far with the Orenburg shawls the left is NOT a mirror of the right...So I stopped knitting and am working on charting now. Besides I have the rectangular shawl to finish and the warm one is just getting started. Your shawl by the way is gorgeous... Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Avital, You certainly have been busy. What an incredible project. Is it worked on congress cloth? Do you have any idea how big the piece will be when it's finished? I don't think I would ever have the guts to tackle something that big. Liz Raleigh, NC, USA where the snow is beginning to melt. Avital spind...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, this shawl should have taken me much less time than it did! I got side-tracked a lot and just didn't work on it much. I've been really busy on my Lady with Unicorn embroidery: http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/lady-with-unicorn-update/ Avital On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, lbuy...@nc.rr.com wrote: Avital, What a lovely shawl! I can see why it has taken a long time to finsh. I am just learning to knit so I am especially impressed by your work. Liz Raleigh, NC, USA where we have about 6 inches of snow! Very unusual for us. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Oh, my! That is beautiful! Hugs, Norma http://normasneedlez.blogspot.com http://sistersstitching.blogspot.com NATA #847 Your worth consists in what you are and not in what you have. --- On Sun, 31/1/10, Avital spind...@gmail.com wrote: __ Yahoo!7: Catch-up on your favourite Channel 7 TV shows easily, legally, and for free at PLUS7. www.tv.yahoo.com.au/plus7 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Avital, What a lovely shawl! I can see why it has taken a long time to finsh. I am just learning to knit so I am especially impressed by your work. Liz Raleigh, NC, USA where we have about 6 inches of snow! Very unusual for us. Avital spind...@gmail.com wrote: Dear spiders, It's been quiet on the lace-knitting front, so I thought I'd post my finished Orenburg shawl. I used some anonymous fingering weight yarn that I had around the house, so it's not a gossamer shawl. http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/finished-orenburg-shawl/ Best wishes, Avital - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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Actually, this shawl should have taken me much less time than it did! I got side-tracked a lot and just didn't work on it much. I've been really busy on my Lady with Unicorn embroidery: http://apinnick.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/lady-with-unicorn-update/ Avital On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:42 PM, lbuy...@nc.rr.com wrote: Avital, What a lovely shawl! I can see why it has taken a long time to finsh. I am just learning to knit so I am especially impressed by your work. Liz Raleigh, NC, USA where we have about 6 inches of snow! Very unusual for us. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
