RE: [lace] Securing prickings
Ulrike Voelker also showed those of us attending one of her workshops that you can also cut the contact that you place over the pricking with an extra 2 to 3 inches around the edge then stick the contact to the pricking the pillow you don't need any pins. I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath. I suppose then you'd have to develop a filing system for your prickings. Pene in Tartu, Estonia where she is in a lace designing mode. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Dear Friends, I should have said when I first wrote this question, that my pricking are always photocopies or scans covered in Contact. As such, threads like these would not hold, or would tear the pricking. Thanks David in Ballarat sew long loops of thread into the pricking at strategic points (e.g. where you would normally pin), and pin the loops tight 'way back from the pricking, thus tethering the pricking in place. You will have cover cloths over the areas (yes?) so that nothing will catch on the tethering threads. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
At 02:49 AM 10/04/2010, Sue Babbs wrote: Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue plastic film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the pricking to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you have a piece on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin through the film only, and this pin tends to press in below the level of the pricking Now that's an idea I haven't tried, and it sounds like it might work for me. Thanks David - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Clay, Ulrike Voelker also says .Instead, we should place a temporary pin off to the side, but toward you, so that the threads must come down in a straighter line before moving off to the side. I have always done that. In fact I use a tall hat pin so that 7 or 8 bobbin holders will still stay around it. I also worked out that this large pin should be at an angle of 45 degrees and about 1 (2.5cm) lower than the working area. Personally I feel that the pricking would not buckle so much if it was a thin Manilla-type card, but as mine are always paper with Contact, this is often a problem. I feel it has something to do with large areas of point ground, rather than the areas of half or whole stitch, and may well be the angle of the pins in those areas. David Clay On 4/9/2010 12:49 PM, Sue Babbs wrote: Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue plastic film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the pricking to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you have a piece on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin through the film only, and this pin tends to press in below the level of the pricking Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Dear Liz, I fully understand what you are saying, but would not like to risk damage to one of the last pillows made with horse hair in Australia. Thanks David I would like to share a method that I learned from Robin Lewis Wild. It only works on a straw filled pillow and it does involve the sacrifice of some pins. It also works best if the pins are long. I have found that this method secures the pricking very firmly to the pillow and puts the pin heads so far in to the pillow that my threads never catch on them. Let me see if I can describe it. It requires two pins at each place you secure the pricking. The first is pushed straight through the pricking and into the pillow. Leave about half the pin sticking up out of the pillow. Bend that end at a 90 degree angle (actually I usually bend the pin before I put it in the pillow). So you now have a bent pin with half of it going through the pricking into the pillow and the upper half laying on top of the pillow. The second pin is placed across the first pin at a 90 degree angle. This pin will take a bite out of the pillow (be sure to catch the main part of the pillow and not just the covering), come up across the end of the bent pin and then go back into the pillow again. This is probably a little hard to visualize. I will be happy to try to take a picture of this if someone will talk me through how to get the photo into a place where everyone on arachne can see it. Liz Redford Raleigh, NC, USA David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au wrote: Dear Friends, Another questions for your wonderful combination of minds. How do you secure your pricking to the pillow? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Securing prickings
At 05:08 PM 10/04/2010, pene piip wrote: Ulrike Voelker also showed those of us attending one of her workshops that you can also cut the contact that you place over the pricking with an extra 2 to 3 inches around the edge then stick the contact to the pricking the pillow you don't need any pins. I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath. I suppose then you'd have to develop a filing system for your prickings. Surely you'd just trim off the extra plastic once you've finished. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
hm, well - my prickings are paper photocopies with a layer of clear packing tape. You could try the tethers (or moorings - thanks Sally!), they do hold and there is no see-saw pulling on the pricking that would cause a tear. I sew the threads through the pricking with a needle. If there is a concern with tearing, reinforce the point of attachment with tape :) You don't *have* to try it, it is more fiddly than simply placing pins, but it is a different and rather pleasing set-up. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 6:51 AM, David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.auwrote: Dear Friends, I should have said when I first wrote this question, that my pricking are always photocopies or scans covered in Contact. As such, threads like these would not hold, or would tear the pricking. Thanks David in Ballarat sew long loops of thread into the pricking at strategic points (e.g. where you would normally pin), and pin the loops tight 'way back from the pricking, thus tethering the pricking in place. You will have cover cloths over the areas (yes?) so that nothing will catch on the tethering threads. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
On Apr 10, 2010, at 10:02 AM, David C COLLYER wrote: Personally I feel that the pricking would not buckle so much if it was a thin Manilla-type card, but as mine are always paper with Contact, this is often a problem. I feel it has something to do with large areas of point ground, rather than the areas of half or whole stitch, and may well be the angle of the pins in those areas. David Hi David, Oy, I hate lifting prickings -- I've had it happen with thin pricking card, thick pricking card, and Contact!!! Aaargh! Yes, I agree that large areas of point ground are likely to be a problem and watching the angle of the pins VERY carefully generally sorts it for me. On the other hand, you could always leave out the pins altogether in the point ground. Or if that gives you heartburn, try pinning every other diagonal, or only leaving in 3 or 4 rows at the working edge and pulling the rest. Good Luck! Su, in finally back to normal spring weather Williamsburg, VA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
I do this for a lot of years. I just turn the excess sticky part under. Reinforcement. Christa -- From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:28 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Fw: [lace] Securing prickings If you want to keep the pricking, just trim off the excess contact paper. Or in the case of the stuff I buy from Walgreen's, you can just peel it off. A little of the inkjet ink comes too, but the pricking would still be useable. Sue Babbs - Original Message - From: pene piip p...@eggo.org I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath. I suppose then you'd have to develop a filing system for your prickings. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Securing prickings
If it is paper+contact it is only re-usable a few time so make two copies originally and file the spare photocopy. Jay in Sydney -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of David C COLLYER Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2010 12:25 AM To: pene piip; Arachne Arachne Subject: RE: [lace] Securing prickings At 05:08 PM 10/04/2010, pene piip wrote: Ulrike Voelker also showed those of us attending one of her workshops that you can also cut the contact that you place over the pricking with an extra 2 to 3 inches around the edge then stick the contact to the pricking the pillow you don't need any pins. I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath. I suppose then you'd have to develop a filing system for your prickings. Surely you'd just trim off the extra plastic once you've finished. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Securing prickings
pene piip p...@eggo.org wrote: Ulrike Voelker also showed those of us attending one of her workshops that you can also cut the contact that you place over the pricking with I have a problem with that because what do you do when you take the pricking off the pillow, the contact then sticks to anything underneath. === I took a workshop on applique, and the pattern pieces were made of adhesive film (Contact paper). We stored them on a piece of mylar. Another way to store film-edged prickings, since they have lint on them after being on the pillow, is to stick them to more adhesive film (the right side, leaving the paper backing in place) or similar material that won't be damaged by something stuck to it. Or back onto the paper backing that that piece of film came off (don't throw it away when you make the pricking. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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That would work, unless your thread catches on the tape :p I would like to share Sally Schoenberg's method, hope she doesn't mind - sew long loops of thread into the pricking at strategic points (e.g. where you would normally pin), and pin the loops tight 'way back from the pricking, thus tethering the pricking in place. You will have cover cloths over the areas (yes?) so that nothing will catch on the tethering threads. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 6:53 AM, David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.auwrote: However, if I'm not careful the pricking can easily develop a slight kink or buckle. So I am considering using a lot of pins to secure the pricking and then perhaps covering them with masking tape or gaffer tape. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue plastic film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the pricking to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you have a piece on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin through the film only, and this pin tends to press in below the level of the pricking Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Dear David, You have to use the right pins to get the pricking on the pillow. The right pins have a very flat head. I use ordinary sewing pins, which are thin in the shaft and usually have a nice flat head. I press them into the pillow well, almost a slight depression there, and I never have a problem with the pins. I know I did this with success with my Honiton learning flower. But then there was the cover cloths With coarser threads 60/2, I have done this with success, no cover cloths, etc. Lyn from Pennsylvania, where it's blowing, cloudy, but everything is greening and growing. Tulips are coming out. lrb -Original Message- From: David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au Sent: Apr 9, 2010 9:53 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Securing prickings Dear Friends, Another questions for your wonderful combination of minds. How do you secure your pricking to the pillow? I ask this because when I am working on something like a square or hexagonal edging I try to use as few pins as possible. I can't stand the bobbins I am using catching on them. However, if I'm not careful the pricking can easily develop a slight kink or buckle. So I am considering using a lot of pins to secure the pricking and then perhaps covering them with masking tape or gaffer tape. Ideas welcome David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
Ulrike Voelker also says that there are other reasons that the pricking gets kinks or buckles. She advises not using a card that is extremely stiff, and also be careful about how you're placing the pins. The headside and footside pins (or edge pins, if not an edging), should be tilted *slightly* outward, while the rest of the pins should be as straight as possible. And the main culprit, she says, is that we park our bobbins to the side (where else?) which makes our threads pull to the side causing the lace to rise and the pricking to buckle. Instead, we should place a temporary pin off to the side, but toward you, so that the threads must come down in a straighter line before moving off to the side. Clay On 4/9/2010 12:49 PM, Sue Babbs wrote: Ulrike Loehr (I've forgotten her married name) cuts her blue plastic film bigger than the pricking and uses that to secure the pricking to the pillow. I don't find that this works well if you have a piece on the pillow for a long time, but then you can pin through the film only, and this pin tends to press in below the level of the pricking Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Securing prickings
I secure my prickings with just a normal lace pin pushed right in, but I do have a special drawcloth - it is a square of two layers of fabric, with a large U shape cut out of one side, the width of the lace I am making. It usually the same size as my block pillow. It covers the pillow, except for the actual strip of lace I'm working on. I machine sew up one side, across the side with the U in it, including around the U shape, and down a third side. Clip the curves of the U, turn inside out, press, turn in raw edges of the fourth side in and topsew. That way I can push bobbins smoothly either side right up to the top of the pillow, and it also covers the pins holding the pricking down. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au How do you secure your pricking to the pillow? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
David, I would like to share a method that I learned from Robin Lewis Wild. It only works on a straw filled pillow and it does involve the sacrifice of some pins. It also works best if the pins are long. I have found that this method secures the pricking very firmly to the pillow and puts the pin heads so far in to the pillow that my threads never catch on them. Let me see if I can describe it. It requires two pins at each place you secure the pricking. The first is pushed straight through the pricking and into the pillow. Leave about half the pin sticking up out of the pillow. Bend that end at a 90 degree angle (actually I usually bend the pin before I put it in the pillow). So you now have a bent pin with half of it going through the pricking into the pillow and the upper half laying on top of the pillow. The second pin is placed across the first pin at a 90 degree angle. This pin will take a bite out of the pillow (be sure to catch the main part of the pillow and not just the covering), come up across the end of the bent pin and then go back into the pillow again. This is probably a little hard to visualize. I will be happy to try to take a picture of this if someone will talk me through how to get the photo into a place where everyone on arachne can see it. Liz Redford Raleigh, NC, USA David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au wrote: Dear Friends, Another questions for your wonderful combination of minds. How do you secure your pricking to the pillow? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Securing prickings
I love this idea. Need to make one and give it a try. Marji From: Noelene Lafferty nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:44:01 PM Subject: RE: [lace] Securing prickings I secure my prickings with just a normal lace pin pushed right in, but I do have a special drawcloth - it is a square of two layers of fabric, with a large U shape cut out of one side, the width of the lace I am making. It usually the same size as my block pillow. It covers the pillow, except for the actual strip of lace I'm working on. I machine sew up one side, across the side with the U in it, including around the U shape, and down a third side. Clip the curves of the U, turn inside out, press, turn in raw edges of the fourth side in and topsew. That way I can push bobbins smoothly either side right up to the top of the pillow, and it also covers the pins holding the pricking down. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au How do you secure your pricking to the pillow? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
