Re: [lace] roller or block
Are you aiming to have a finished length of 80cm exactly? If so have you allowed for shrinkage in your prickings? There will be some. Think around 10%. Being lazy(!) I prefer the option of having just 2 or 3 prickings and rotating their usage on the block pillow as needed. Sometimes putting fresh card underneath them if I have used the pinholes too much. I also don't like the excess pricking resting against my body as I work - but each to their own. I personally would not pin the lace underneath the blocks as I'm working, simply let it go off the top. I would be worried about it getting crushed underneath and the pins causing damage to the underneath of the block. There are special little rollers you can get to wind it the length of lace around and pin the roller to the far end of the top block, with hat pins etc. Or you can let the lace sit in a small plastic bag pinned to that part of your pillow. Sue - Original Message - From: Agnes Boddington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block Hi I just started on an 80cm Bucks Point edging. As the pattern was around 18cm long, I photocopied it several times, stuck 4 length together As the length grows, and the top block needs removing, I aim to pin the finished lace over and underneath the top block. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agnes, Maureen may think you're mad we know it!! Now the thing is... if you get more blocks how are you going to attach them to the pillow?? Wonder what humble pie tastes like Sue in EY On 20 Aug 2008, at 14:36, Agnes Boddington wrote: My lace teacher thinks I am mad, but I hope to prove her wrong and will keep you all informed (may be a while as I am also still woring on my Beds butterfly). There is always the option of getting more blocks, which I may well do when I go to Pudsey lace fair in October. If it doesn't work, I may let you know too or eat humble pie instead. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Think Agnes has one of those, Mike makes them but she was probably having a 'blonde' moment... Sue in EY On 20 Aug 2008, at 14:58, Sue Babbs wrote: There are special little rollers you can get to wind it the length of lace around and pin the roller to the far end of the top block, with hat pins etc. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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According to Wikipedia, below the description of (h)umble pie. Does not sound very attractive, but then I did say ... The expression derives from *umble pie*, which was a pie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie filled with liver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver, heart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart and other offal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offal, especially of cow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow but often deer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer or boar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boar. *Umble* evolved from *numble*, (after the French http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language *nomble*) meaning 'deer's innards'. http://www.epicurious.com/tools/fooddictionary/entry?id=2995 Umbles were considered inferior food, in medieval http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval times the pie was often served to lower-class people. Although umbles and the modern word humble are etymologically unrelated, each word has appeared both with and without the initial h after the Middle Ages until the 19th century. Since the sound h is often dropped in many dialects, and umble was a humble meal anyway, the phrase was rebracketed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juncture_loss as humble pie. While umble is now gone from the language, the phrase remains, carrying the fossilized word as an idiom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom. I'll get the lace edging done in my way, whichever one that's going to be, and make the pin cushion to fit the edging, rather than the other way around. Jane Partridge has been very helpful with suggestions, as have some others. Agnes Boddington Sue Duckles wrote: Agnes, Maureen may think you're mad we know it!! Now the thing is... if you get more blocks how are you going to attach them to the pillow?? Wonder what humble pie tastes like - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No,not a blond one, just a painful one, which is affecting my brain: I fell over the dog last night, and did something to my right knee, and my left big toe. After that one cannot think straight. I have not one, but two lace rollers, and more if I want to raid the stock. B.t.w. the dog is fine, she was just shken and thought she had done something wrong. Agnes Boddington Sue Duckles wrote: Think Agnes has one of those, Mike makes them but she was probably having a 'blonde' moment... Sue in EY On 20 Aug 2008, at 14:58, Sue Babbs wrote: There are special little rollers you can get to wind it the length of lace around and pin the roller to the far end of the top block, with hat pins etc. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The 'h' is always dropped in 'H'ull!! Not that far from where we live!! So, maybe it is 'umble !! Sue in EY On 20 Aug 2008, at 19:34, Agnes Boddington wrote: Since the sound h is often dropped in many dialects, and umble was a humble meal anyway, the phrase was rebracketed - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hope the knee and toe are ok. Pleased Megan is ok, but I bet she's really shaken up! BTW, for those of you who don't know Agnes, I've uploaded a photo of Megan on arachne webshots (Sue D's lace). Just for the 'awww, poor pups' factor you understand! Sue in EY On 20 Aug 2008, at 19:36, Agnes Boddington wrote: I fell over the dog last night, and did something to my right knee, and my left big toe. B.t.w. the dog is fine, she was just shken and thought she had done something wrong. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dom, Where in France is the Queyras region? The 'photos-saint-veran' appear to be in the Alps area. These are really beautiful pillows, the carving is wonderful, and I really like the stand of the one from Cogne region. I want one of each, just to display. Lorri Graham, Washington State, USA in the foot hills of Mt. Rainier. France in the Queyras region .. there's a picture on this page http://www.chez.com/dentelle/info.htmhttp://www.chez.com/dentelle/info.htm and a photo of how it is used on this one : http://maisonducostume.com/html/espace_museographique.htmlhttp://maisonducos tume.com/html/espace_museographique.html A view of the place http://leschaletsduvillard.fr/photos-saint-veran.htmhttp://leschaletsduvilla rd.fr/photos-saint-veran.htm and the pillow that was used in Barcelonette (french Alps) actually looks like a car tyre but was held between the lacer's knees .. i couldn't find a picture though .. and there's also the pillow of Cogne in Italy http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Co gne/ for those who like traditional costumes http://www.alpesgourmet.com/theme/folklore_fr.aspshttp://www.alpesgourmet.co m/theme/folklore_fr.asps : enjoy dom from paris [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah it was meant for all. Sorry about that. Forget that I have to reply to ALL to get it to go to the group. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bevw Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:36 PM To: Arachne Arachne Subject: Fwd: [lace] roller or block This arrived in my inbox, I think meant for the whole list: -- Forwarded message -- From: Angel Skubic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM Subject: RE: [lace] roller or block I have a small bolster and I am madly in love with it. My next pillow will be a full sized bolster that will be traditionally stuffed (I think I can get an English made one thru the Lace Fairy) Then I may get a honiton pillow which would be the next lace I would like to learn. Cearbhael You might one day like to try a bolster pillow. They are great for edgings and even small motifs, they take up less space than pillows on the flat, - Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] roller or block
Hi Nancy, I use both roller and block pillows - I tend to use the roller pillows for the garters, and block pillows for large, wide, long lengths, so it isn't really a question of 'most people' - its what you feel you would like, and feel most comfortable with. Both the roller and the block pillows must have the prickings lined up properly, as otherwise, the pricking tends to getr closer to one side or the other, as you trundle on with the many miles of lace - but in that, there really is no difference in the use. But - I always think that it is easier to get the pricking round the roller, with sometimes a bit of padding to make it fit, than to but up the pieces of the pricking on the blocks. Again, though, that is personal choice! So - whatever pillow takes your fancy, go for it!You may find that, like me, you have several different types of both roller and block pillow, and use both! Take care, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nancy wrote: I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? The type of pillow really depends on what type of lace you make. To help with your decision just remember that you can easily make lengths of lace on a block pillow, but it is much harder to make motif's, squares or shapes on a roller pillow. If you will be making lots of lengths then a roller pillow can be a useful addition to your collection, especially as you already have four flat pillows. Just my 2 cents worth. Malvary in Ottawa (the Nation's capital), Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nancy! I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying lacemaking! You have asked a question that many ask, once they know that they're hooked, and want to continue. There is no absolute answer to your question, however. All seasoned lacemakers will tell you that it depends Roller pillows are absolutely wonderful when you're making long lengths of straight, continuous lace. you fit your pricking around the roller, and made yards and yards of lace without having to make any adjustments to the roller or the pricking. Edgings in Torchon, Bucks, Beds, Tonder, Flanders, Binche... you name it... are comfortably worked on a roller pillow. On the other hand, if you want to make medallions in the above laces, or part lace (such as Honiton, Duchesse, Withof, Milanese, etc.), you'll find a block pillow to be much better. And, with a block pillow, you are also able to make yards and yards of straight lace - you just have to move the blocks up from time to time. So, the bottom line is that a block pillow is more versatile. You will be able to explore many laces on this pillow, and then if you find you're really drawn to the straight laces, investing in a roller in the future would still be an option. Another thing to consider is that there are many sources of very reasonable priced block pillows. Roller pillows, however, usually are a good bit more expensive. Good luck!! Clay Nancy Nicholson wrote: I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nancy I have the best of both worlds, in my opinion - a block pillow plus a block with a roller insert. I bought them from SMP when the roller is worn out I just buy a replacement. As others have said I find the roller best for long straight lengths while the block pillow is ideal for edgings. Carole in Portsmouth, UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] roller or block
Hi Nancy I have the best of both worlds, in my opinion - a block pillow plus a block with a roller insert. I bought them from SMP when the roller is worn out I just buy a replacement. As others have said I find the roller best for long straight lengths while the block pillow is ideal for edgings. Carole in Portsmouth, UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Both Carol and Clay mentioned 'fitting' the pattern round the roller. May I suggest that when using a roller that you have the pattern larger than the roller. If the pattern is fitted closely round the roller, then you are using the same pinholes on every rotation of the roller. This is probably not too bit a problem with straw or similar type fillings, but with the proliferation of styrofoam type materials the pin holes will become very loose, very quickly. By having the pattern larger than the roller you will be using a slightly different place on the roller with each rotation, thereby extending the life of the roller considerably. Just another 2 cents worth. Malvary in Ottawa (the Nation's Capital), Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nancy I have the best of both worlds, in my opinion - a block pillow plus a block with a roller insert. I bought them from SMP when the roller is worn out I just buy a replacement. As others have said I find the roller best for long straight lengths while the block pillow is ideal for edgings. Carole in Portsmouth, UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nancy I have the best of both worlds, in my opinion - a block pillow plus a block with a roller insert. I bought them from SMP when the roller is worn out I just buy a replacement. As others have said I find the roller best for long straight lengths while the block pillow is ideal for edgings. Carole in Portsmouth, UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] roller or block
Malvary makes a good point about how to fit the pricking on the foam roller... But when you make your pricking just a little bit bigger, you have to be careful as you work that it stays centered on the roller. Things have a tendency to drift off to one side, which can be annoying, to say the least. Clay Nancy Nicholson wrote: Hi Thank you for all your thoughts. I think I will buy a roller insert for my block and then I will have the best of both worlds but only the one pillow! It was SMP that told me they don't sell them anymore but he also said they still sell the inserts so I will just check that it will fit my pillow. That is a good thought about the pattern being bigger than the roller - I certainly wouldn't have thought about that and would have thought that it would be better if the pattern did fit!! -- From: C Eamey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:43 PM To: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] roller or block Hi Nancy I have the best of both worlds, in my opinion - a block pillow plus a block with a roller insert. I bought them from SMP when the roller is worn out I just buy a replacement. As others have said I find the roller best for long straight lengths while the block pillow is ideal for edgings. Carole in Portsmouth, UK - Original Message - From: Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace makers lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [lace] roller or block I have not been lace making for very long and as such I am still buying the 'tools of the trade' I have two small round pillows, one large pillow and a three block pillow. I was going to buy a roller pillow but the man who owns the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? Nancy - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, to the predicament of the pattern fitting the roller, or larger than, or just laying a great long length of pattern in a U around the roller - which I've tried, but my favourite advice to myself is, don't fight your materials...If whatever it is isn't working for you, try something else (so, I like to have the pattern fit around the roller, or use a roller for this but a block pillow for that..). Do I hear the echo - 'you can't have too many lace pillows' :D On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Malvary makes a good point about how to fit the pricking on the foam roller... But when you make your pricking just a little bit bigger, you have to be careful as you work that it stays centered on the roller. Things have a tendency to drift off to one side, which can be annoying, to say the least. -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You might one day like to try a bolster pillow. They are great for edgings and even small motifs, they take up less space than pillows on the flat, but they require a different application of the lacemaker than working with a flat arrangement. I have a narrow edging on a bolster right now and the unit packs up quickly and is quite portable compared to dealing with a pillow-and-roller setup. On the bolster I work with the bobbins in my palms, rather than placing my hands over the bobbins as on the flat, and I have to have a system of large pins to hang the bobbins out of the way as I work. I don't worry about a continuous (round and round) pattern, I just have a few lengths of the pattern to pin end to end as each shorter bit is finished. As others have mentioned, there is no real 'best' except best for the particular lacemaker to use at the time. I think you are making a good decision on getting the roller bit for the block pillow ;) On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Nancy Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I the site says that almost everyone uses block pillows instead. Which is best? Roller or block? -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
