Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[Bronwen of Hindscroft]

Easiest for who?

As a left hander, this kind of idea (that all a right hander needed to do
was sit opposite and let me mirror image) is part of what caused me to hate
crochet.  My mother, a right hander, tried to teach me to crochet for
years, not realizing that my brain didn't see things like her brain did.
 It led to years of frustration, and finally had us both give up on it.

When I was in high school, the school I went to had a "hand crafts" course
in it's Home Economics department.  I took the class, and crochet was the
first craft taught.  I was ready to get an "F" in the class because of how
bad I'd done with my mother.  It turns out, the teacher was actually
left-handed and had taught herself how to do everything right handed to
teach the right handed teens.  However, she taught me how to do it left
handed, and I had no problems with learning.  I did so well, I received an
"A" for that module.

I absolutely *hate* crochet still, and I am now 46 years old.  In all the
fiber arts I can do, I will never crochet because my mother made me hate it
so much by her attempts to teach me and her inability to understand that
it's not as simple or easy as just sitting across from a lefty and having
them mirror image a righty.

Bronwen

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:42 AM, David C COLLYER wrote:

> Dear friends,
>>
>> Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It works
>> for some though not for all.
>>
>
> Sometimes it's easiest just to sit opposite and let the other person
> mirror your image.
> David in Ballarat, AUS
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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[David C COLLYER]

Dear friends,

Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It 
works for some though not for all.


Sometimes it's easiest just to sit opposite and let the other person 
mirror your image.

David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[Sue]

I knew there was a way but not on that day.
Sue T

Hi Sue and fellow Arachnids,

Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It works for
some though not for all.

Happy lace making,

Joepie, in sunny East Sussex.
I dont know about lacemaking but when my daughter was about eight I
volunteered to teach some children to crochet and I sat around a circular
table with several girls helping each one to get the hang of how to make it
work, even managing to change hands and do it left handed for one little
girl (I have recently tried to do that again for a friend and over 30 years
later my brain and hands wouldn't respond).  Sue T
Dorset UK where we have been basking in fabulous sunshine now for days:-)
At last

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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[J D Hammett]

Hi Sue and fellow Arachnids,

Have you tried showing a left-hander a technique in the mirror. It works for 
some though not for all.


Happy lace making,

Joepie, in sunny East Sussex.


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From: Sue

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 6:13 PM
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

I dont know about lacemaking but when my daughter was about eight I
volunteered to teach some children to crochet and I sat around a circular
table with several girls helping each one to get the hang of how to make it
work, even managing to change hands and do it left handed for one little
girl (I have recently tried to do that again for a friend and over 30 years
later my brain and hands wouldn't respond).   There was a joy and eagerness
within the group and others in the glass doing other crafts.   As with all
arts, crafts and lessons I think that a variety of people will respond but
not all, so agree it wouldn't be right to push all to take it up.  Many of
you have had excellent responses from young boys as well as girls with the
fishes and the snakes rather than the strips of lace but if they see a
variety of types and have chance to try themselves, I think there might well
be a good response.  Anything else it teaches the children and we know there
are lots of benefits to be gained would be really good.
Sue T
Dorset UK where we have been basking in fabulous sunshine now for days:-)
At last

Dear Clay, et al,






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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[Sue]

I dont know about lacemaking but when my daughter was about eight I 
volunteered to teach some children to crochet and I sat around a circular 
table with several girls helping each one to get the hang of how to make it 
work, even managing to change hands and do it left handed for one little 
girl (I have recently tried to do that again for a friend and over 30 years 
later my brain and hands wouldn't respond).   There was a joy and eagerness 
within the group and others in the glass doing other crafts.   As with all 
arts, crafts and lessons I think that a variety of people will respond but 
not all, so agree it wouldn't be right to push all to take it up.  Many of 
you have had excellent responses from young boys as well as girls with the 
fishes and the snakes rather than the strips of lace but if they see a 
variety of types and have chance to try themselves, I think there might well 
be a good response.  Anything else it teaches the children and we know there 
are lots of benefits to be gained would be really good.

Sue T
Dorset UK where we have been basking in fabulous sunshine now for days:-) 
At last


Dear Clay, et al,

That is not what was said.  The point is that many women whose minds are 
mathematically, etc. inclined are drawn to lacemaking.  That is, of course, 
not the only group drawn to the craft, but there seems to be a fairly large 
number of such math, etc. types who are drawn.  There are, of course, other 
aspects of lacemaking which draw other people to the art, but that argument 
will not go nearly as far in promoting lacemaking in children, as there are 
so many other disciplines, areas, that do that.  Music, the arts, painting, 
to name a few.  But since those areas do not involve lace, I was emphasizing 
the mathematical connection.  And note, I mentioned Torchon in particular. 
Flanders would be another mathematical lace.  Binche went beyond that, and 
while it incorporates Flanders in some ways, it went on to other areas as 
well.  lrb



I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with
superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best
lacemakers!!  It may be that those who are making the claims happen to
have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the
same as making it a thing of beauty, which separates the competent
lacemaker from the extraordinary one.  And it take an artist to design
the lace in the first place.



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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[Lin Hudren]

Just a note that when we "label" people or try to slot folks into a groove,
there is always the exception.  while it makes good fodder, we usually are
narrow minded ourselves to think that only certain capabilities create
certain things.

last was the folks who "lurk" now it is mathmatically inclined.  if you
have a strong opinion great but please try not to force or defend your
opinion on the others who may have their protective talents get their hairs
up.  let's share the positive and the good and the tips that you earn (not
just learn) in making our craft wonderfully rewarding. i read this new
thought and considered it in relation to my close family and friends and
could see correlation.  wonderful brain activity for me and a few smiles -
not chuckles tho.  now there seems a war developing in the list - my energy
is better spent at the pillow.


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:55 AM,  wrote:

> Dear Clay, et al,
>
> That is not what was said.  The point is that many women whose minds are
> mathematically, etc. inclined are drawn to lacemaking.  That is, of course,
> not the only group drawn to the craft, but there seems to be a fairly large
> number of such math, etc. types who are drawn.  There are, of course, other
> aspects of lacemaking which draw other people to the art, but that argument
> will not go nearly as far in promoting lacemaking in children, as there are
> so many other disciplines, areas, that do that.  Music, the arts, painting,
> to name a few.  But since those areas do not involve lace, I was
> emphasizing the mathematical connection.  And note, I mentioned Torchon in
> particular.  Flanders would be another mathematical lace.  Binche went
> beyond that, and while it incorporates Flanders in some ways, it went on to
> other areas as well.  lrb
>
>
>
> >I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with
> >superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best
> >lacemakers!!  It may be that those who are making the claims happen to
> >have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the
> >same as making it a thing of beauty, which separates the competent
> >lacemaker from the extraordinary one.  And it take an artist to design
> >the lace in the first place.
> >
>
>
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> please ignore it. I read your emails."
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Re: [lace] Lace and math, was Teaching children

[lynrbailey]

Dear Clay, et al,

That is not what was said.  The point is that many women whose minds are 
mathematically, etc. inclined are drawn to lacemaking.  That is, of course, not 
the only group drawn to the craft, but there seems to be a fairly large number 
of such math, etc. types who are drawn.  There are, of course, other aspects of 
lacemaking which draw other people to the art, but that argument will not go 
nearly as far in promoting lacemaking in children, as there are so many other 
disciplines, areas, that do that.  Music, the arts, painting, to name a few.  
But since those areas do not involve lace, I was emphasizing the mathematical 
connection.  And note, I mentioned Torchon in particular.  Flanders would be 
another mathematical lace.  Binche went beyond that, and while it incorporates 
Flanders in some ways, it went on to other areas as well.  lrb



>I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with 
>superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best 
>lacemakers!!  It may be that those who are making the claims happen to 
>have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the 
>same as making it a thing of beauty, which separates the competent 
>lacemaker from the extraordinary one.  And it take an artist to design 
>the lace in the first place.
>


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