[lace-chat] onions

2003-07-25 Thread Lynne Cumming
As a youngster my Saturday job involved preparing vegetables in the Uni
Halls of residence kitchens. Good pay, hard work but I got fed as well! As
we catered for 200+ students and covered two days of meals each Sat , onoins
meant by the the sackful! I wore hard contact lenses at the time and could
happily peel and chop a sackful of onions with no ill effects unless they
were the big Spanish ones. Then I was teased unmercifully about boyfriend
trouble as the tears streamed down my face!!! I still find the tear ratio
depends on the variety!
Lynne.
Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
pig."
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re: [lace-chat] Re: Mugwump

2003-07-25 Thread Bev Walker
Hi all and Tamara

My Concise Oxford (1951) defines 'mugwump' as 'Great man, boss; one who
holds aloof from party politics (from native *mugquomp* great chief)
and marks the word with an asterisk, denoting US use only.

My current Gage (Cdn.)
defines it as US usage, an independent in polictics, from Algonquian,
*mukquomp* great man

My Secretary's Desk Book, including the Winston Dictionary, 1945:
'a voter who belongs to one party, but who claims the right to vote with
another, if he prefers the candidate of the latter.' (etym. sources not
given in this version)

For good measure I looked it up in my Canadian/French Canadian
dictionary. No entry for mugwump (not surprising)

My Concise Columbia (1983) offers: 'in US history, mugwumps was a slang
term for the Republicans who, in 1884, deserted their party nominee, James
G. Blaine, to vote for the Democratic candidate, Grover Cleveland.'

A Funk and Wagnalls (1959) has a similar entry, and includes a broad
definition as in the Winston entry.

I am familiar with the word, but only because I've stumbled across it when
looking up something else - in a dictionary.
 --
bye for now
Bev, for the time being surrounded by dictionaries, in Sooke, BC (west
coast of Canada)
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Re: [lace-chat] RE:summer reading

2003-07-25 Thread Lorri Ferguson
> and the "Little House on the Prairie" books - Laura Ingalls Wilder's life
> story. She has six?seven? I forget now how many in the 'set', but
> there is an additional one which sees her married and "On the Way
> Home" to where she spent the rest of her life. There's also a
> songbook with the tunes her father used to play on his violin.
> (Her stories were televised, too)
>
> Toni in Seattle

In 1995 while on vacation in So. Dakota, I found and bought form my 
daughter, the 'Little House Cookbook' (I think that is the title).  It 
contained recipes for items in the original books and told what modern day 
products to use to get the same effect.

Lorri F 
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[lace-chat] Summer Reading

2003-07-25 Thread H. Muth
Hello all,

I haven't seen mention of my favourite author, Angela Thirkell.  She writes
chronicles of Barsetshire, the fictional county about which Anthony
Trollope first wrote.  Thirkell's books are witty and span a period of 30
years, continuing the family histories that Trollope started.  

Other authors I read are Gerald Durrell with his tales of zoos and animals,
Jane Duncan who writes the 'My Friend' series, anything Agatha Christie,
Dorothy Sayers, PG Wodehouse...obviously I rarely read anything by current
authors.

Heather
Abbotsford, BC
Where today it has cooled down enough to be just bearable.
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[lace-chat] car words

2003-07-25 Thread Bev Walker
Hi everyone

Joy wrote:

> And all of a sudden I can't think of any examples except obscure car
jokes: "FORD = found on road dead" and "nova = no va".

Bev thinks of:
FORD - Fix or Repair Daily (but we also say 'Chev-ROT-let')

-- 
bye for now
Bev who used to own a Dodge Volare' [altogether now, VOH-lah-RAY,
oh-oh-oh-oh...]in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
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[lace-chat] Re: summer reading

2003-07-25 Thread Barbara Stokes
Dear List,
With all this "summer reading" going on, Parkes NSW Australia is gearing
up for it's Annual Birth-to-Kindergarten Reading Day.
This year there is to be a 12 hour reading session in the park from
12midnight to 12 midday, 7th August.  The whole town is involved in
encouraging reading to babies/children (and adults!), our guest visitor
will be Mem Fox.  All schools will  be dressig up etc.
I am one of the midwives who get to be part of the official reading
party.
Happy lace reading!
Barbara Stokes
(Slow progress in making Parkes Radio Telescope in lace!)
 
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[lace-chat] re: Mugwump

2003-07-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
And here's another contribution from an ex-Arachne...

Check out

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/96feb/wordimp/wordimp.htm

for an article that mentions mugwump etymology and a few other 
interesting words.
-
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[lace-chat] Re: Joke definitions

2003-07-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Saturday, Jul 26, 2003, at 00:17 US/Eastern, Joy Beeson wrote:

Defining Mugwump as "mug on one side, wump on the other" was a joke 
along
the same lines as "a liberal is liberal with other peoples money".

And all of a sudden I can't think of any examples except obscure car 
jokes:
"FORD = found on road dead" and "nova = no va".
Which, in turn, reminds me of the old *airline* ones... :)
SABENA = such a bloody experience never again
BOAC = better on a camel
LOT (Polish airlines; "lot" means "flight") = fly or not, but never by 
LOT

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Re: [lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Malvary Cole
I'm like you Mikki - I can't eat onions either.  I used to be able to, but it
has become one more item on my list of allergies.  Occasionally, if I eat
something that has been cooked with onions in it and then it is frozen, I can
eat it without too drastic results.

Malvary - in Ottawa where our 1 week of HOT summer is now just a memory.  Did I
really expect a hot summer?  I had air conditioning installed this year
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[lace-chat] Joke definitions

2003-07-25 Thread Joy Beeson
Defining Mugwump as "mug on one side, wump on the other" was a joke along
the same lines as "a liberal is liberal with other peoples money".  

And all of a sudden I can't think of any examples except obscure car jokes:  
"FORD = found on road dead" and "nova = no va".  

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Re: [lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Joy Beeson
At 11:29 AM 7/25/03 +0200, Ian & Chelle Long wrote:

> I've even tried putting a peg on my nose!  

Reminds me of a story that's at least twenty years older than I am.  
(So don't ask for provenance!)

After the Great War (WWI), when there was a lot of war surplus 
lying around, one little boy got his hands on a real, working gas mask 
-- and for miles around, no housewife had to grate her own horseradish.

-- 
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[lace-chat] Re: Mugwump

2003-07-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Friday, Jul 25, 2003, at 16:18 US/Eastern, Margery Allcock wrote:

Then I heard the "fence-sitting" explanation and enjoyed that; and 
(again
vaguely) believed that not only was it thus self-explanatory but also 
that
it "retro-fitted" its original meaning.
Robin Panza (who's not on chat, but to whom I also sent my original 
query) sent me the following response. I'm forwarding it, because I 
think it's interesting re: the "frivolous", "retro-fitting" 
interpretation of the word :)

I believe I actually learned it in school!  Either New York (Long 
Island) or
Los Angeles, don't remember which.  That was the "politicians changing 
side"
version.

Then I found it in a book.  There was a series of funny history books
written in the 60s or early 70s by an author whose name I can't place 
right
now.  "It All Started with Columbus" (US history), "It all Started with
Adam and Eve" (human history), and some others (English history, famous
women).  "Columbus" had mugwumps with your friend's 
definition--sitting on a
fence with the mug on one side and the wump on the other.  I can still
envision the picture that goes with that paragraph


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[lace-chat] Goin' Fishin

2003-07-25 Thread Clive and Betty Ann Rice
A young guy from Texas moves to California and goes to a big everything
under the roof" department store looking for a job. The manager says,
"Do you have any sales experience?"

The kid says, "Yeah, I was a salesman back home in Texas."

Well, the boss liked the kid so he gave him the job "You start tomorrow.
I'll come down after we close and see how you did."

His first day on the job was rough but he got through it.

After the store was locked up, the boss came down. "How many sales did
you make today?"

The kid says, "One."

The boss says, "Just one? Our sales people average 20 or 30 sales a day.
How much was the sale for?"

The kid says, "$101,237.64."

The boss says, "$101,237.64? What the hell did you sell?"

The Kid says, "First I sold him a small fish hook.
Then I sold him a medium fish hook.
Then I sold him a larger fish hook.
Then I sold him a new fishing rod.

Then I asked him where he was going fishing and he said down at the
coast, so I told him he was going need a boat, so we went down to the
boat department and I sold him that twin engine Chris Craft.

Then he said he didn't think his Honda Civic would pull it, so I took
him down to the automotive department and sold him that 4X4 Blazer"

The boss said, "A guy came in here to buy a fish hook and you sold him a
boat and truck?"

The Kid says, "No, he came in here to buy a box of tampons for his wife
and I said, 'Well, your weekend's shot, you might as well go fishing.'"
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Re: [lace-chat] Re: day of disasters

2003-07-25 Thread dominique
because you have to relax every two hours or so if you don't want to end up 
looking like a crooked 100 years old !!! ... VBG ... and that's when we 
send our mails 

only kidding of course  

dominique 

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[2003/07/26 00:44]


> 
> Hoiw do you all manage to send so may emails and still do some lace?
> 
> Regards
> Maxine, ( Tokoroa, N.Z.)
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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Ostrich Story

2003-07-25 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
Love this one :)

From: R.P.
A man walks into a restaurant with a full-grown ostrich behind him, and 
as
he sits, the waitress comes over and asks for their order. The man says,
"I'll have a hamburger, fries and a coke," and turns to the ostrich. 
"What's
yours?"

"I'll have the same," says the ostrich.

A short time later the waitress returns with the order. "That will be 
$6.40
please," and the man reaches into his pocket and pulls out exact change 
for
payment.

The next day, the man and the ostrich come again and the man orders beef
stew and coffee and the ostrich orders the same. Once again the man 
reaches
into his pocket and pays with exact change.  The following night, they 
each
order steak, baked potato, and wine, and he pays with exact change.  
This
becomes a routine, the pair coming in every night, man and ostrich 
ordering
the same things, and the man pulling the exact change out of his pocket.

Finally, the waitress can't hold back her curiosity any longer. "Excuse 
me,
sir. How do you manage to always come up with the exact change out of 
your
pocket every time?"

"Well," says the man, "several years ago I was cleaning the attic and I
found an old lamp. When I rubbed it a Genie appeared and offered me two
wishes. My first wish was that if I ever had to pay for anything, I'd 
just put
my hand in my pocket, and the right amount of money would always be 
there."

"That's brilliant!" says the waitress. "Most people would wish for a 
million
dollars or something, but you'll always be as rich as you want for as 
long
as you live!"

"That's right! Whether it's a gallon of milk or a Rolls Royce, the exact
money is always there," says the man.
The waitress then asks, "One other thing, sir, what's with the ostrich?"

The man sighs and answers, "My second wish was for a tall chick with 
long
legs who agrees with everything I say!"

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Re: [lace-chat] Re: day of disasters

2003-07-25 Thread Ruth Budge
Maxine, I have cold legs and feet, even in a heatwave!!   So, once the
temperature goes down below about 17 celsius, out come the woollen tights!! 
Apart from that, I was only wearing underpants, a shirt and a pair of woollen
slacks!!   That's not too much - I have been known to add long johns as well,
if I'm going to be outside all day in somewhere like Cooma, where Noelene
lives!!

Our Chinese neighbours, who leave all their shoes at the front door before
entering the house, don't seem to wear socks or stockings, just wandering
around in the house (and sometimes outside, even at this time of year), in bare
feet.  Given that my feet spend most of their life feeling like blocks of ice,
I'm mightily glad I'm not Chinese  I couldn't cope with nothing on them at
all.

Our weather sounds much the same as yours at present, except that we only go
down to about 6 or 6 celsius overnight. 
As for sending emails...I ignore more than I reply to, and I race through both
the housework and the rest of the emails first thing in the morning to clear
the rest of the day for lace!!

Regards, Ruth

 --- Maxine D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ruth,
> 
> How can  you wear so many layers in such a warm place as Sydney!
> 
> Try here, across the ditch, where we have had 7 frosts in a row varying
> between -3 and 0 degrees (Celsius). followed by lovely sunny days of 12 - 15
> degrees ;-)
> 
> Hoiw do you all manage to send so may emails and still do some lace?
> 
> Regards
> Maxine, ( Tokoroa, N.Z.)
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Re: [lace-chat] RE: [Lace-Chat] Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Anne Toney
 I've tried using the frozen chopped onions and I absolutely love them.  I
can use the amount I want with no waste and no tears.  I can't tell any
difference in the taste or texture.

Anne in Austin TX
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Margery Allcock
Date: Friday, July 25, 2003 15:19:08
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Subject: [lace-chat] RE: [Lace-Chat] Onions
 
Some onions make me cry; some don't. But I don't like chopping them up
anyway, and most times I don't want a whole number. So I'm experimenting
(yes I know it's extravagant) - I'm going to try a pack of frozen chopped
onion. It's on order, to be delivered on Monday. 8-)
 
Margery.
 

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Re: [lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread alice howell
At 09:36 PM 7/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> No, but I wear glasses and that doesn't help.  

No -- glasses are not enough.  It's a gas released from the onion that
is the problem, and the glasses would not stop that.  It would have to be
tight-fitting goggles to stop it from reaching the eyes.


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Re: [lace-chat] I sold the goat :)

2003-07-25 Thread Martha Krieg
There is a nicely illustrated children's book of this one, one of our 
favorites

Gentle Spiders,

My Mother used to have a joke to illustrate almost any situation... 
One of the old favourites -- so "well-worn" that all we needed was 
the punchline (and one which migrated with me to my American family) 
went like this (more or less, allowing for translation):
~~
In a little village, a man comes to his rabbi and says: "Rabbi, I'm 
at the end of my tether... I'm a poor man; I have a wife and four 
children, and my wife is pregnant again. I work hard all day, but 
all I can afford is a house with one room. So all of us live there, 
and there's never any peace -- the children squabble, the wife 
complains... I never get any rest. Rabbi, can you advise me what to 
do; I need more room..."

The rabbi smoothes his beard in thought for a while then says:
"Ask your mother-in-law to come and live with you"
The man isn't too happy to hear that; he doesn't like his MIL 
overmuch. But, the rabbi is the wisest man in the village, surely 
his advice is good. And, perhaps, MIL will keep his wife company, 
help her take care of the children and house, make it easier on his 
wife, so she won't complain as much... And, the room being so 
overcrowded already, one more person might not make all that much 
difference...

 So, he does as the rabbi advised, and his MIL joins the household.

Two weeks later, the man's back... "Rabbi," he says, "things are 
worse than they had been. The two women are now ganging up on me in 
their complaints, and egging the children on, turning them against 
me too. I can't live like that any more; I never get any peace, I 
have no space to call my own. What can I do?"

The rabbi thinks some more and says: "Buy a goat"

Again, the man has reservations about the solution, but, again, does 
as the rabbi advised. A week later, he' back: the goat stinks, gets 
into everything and nibbles on everything, the women and children 
are as before, and the space is just too small to contain them 
all... What to do?

The rabbi says: "Sell the goat"

Within 3 days, the man's back: "Rabbi, *what* a relief!"...
~
Dusan said he'd be here 10:30-11, so I got my sorry carcasse out of 
bed in time to get decent, eat breakfast, and fire up the puter. By 
15:30, I was "steamed" enough to call the provider (I hate phones as 
much as I hate MS ); unexpected things happen, I can understand 
that. But, not to phone and say "I'll be 5 hrs late"??? This is US, 
not Poland; the place is *littered* with phones; how hard can it be 
to get to one?

After going through a merry-go-round with several voice-mail menus 
("none of the above" not being included, I don't press any buttons, 
just grimly hang on till the next one), I am told that, 
"unfortunately, we're on another phone, with another customer; 
please leave a message, we'll call as soon... etc". After I hang up 
(having left a "scorchingly polite" one), I realise that I forgot to 
leave my phone number for them *to* answer... I feel a tad sheepish 
(doesn't do to act hastily, but I'll never learn that lesson ), 
but I *did* leave my username and name as requested, and our 
phonebook is thin, we're the only Duvalls in it, they *have* my 
phone # in their 'puter... Let it go, rather than try braving the 
whole rigamarole again...

45 minutes later, I'm over my sheepish stage, and back to boiling 
point; by now, I also worry that they'll close for the day before 
they get back to me, and I'll have to face Severn's hateful 'puter 
again (though half of me is resigned to having to deal with it for 
the rest of my life)... True, the *office* hours are till 17:00, and 
the *help desk* is open till 21:00, but, *which* is Dusan? He's the 
boss -- goes home at 5... He's the help I rely on -- goes home at 
9...

In 5 minutes, I'm *there*, in wrathful person... :) Dusan is there 
too; "I didn't break the thing; I'm trying to help you. Was out of 
town, just came back. No, I couldn't call. I'll be there as soon as 
I can"  So I don't vent anymore (having antagonised my life-line is 
bad enough), hightail it home, and wait. 17:15, He Arrives... :)

Equipped with two routers (one simpler, for a quick check, and a 
wireless like mine to replace mine if we determine that *that* is 
what's wrong), and a spare cable, in case *that* is where the fault 
lies; he may have had his scout training in Yugoslavia, but "be 
prepared" is a motto that obtains everywhere...

He tries the "quick-check" router, with the new cable, and it 
*works*. He tries the new cable with the old router, and it works. 
By now, I know I'll have my e-mail and my web-mobility restored, 
*today*, one way or another, so I bravely follow my natural 
inclination to "act empirical" (boys are't the only ones who opened 
their teddy bears to see what was inside ) and suggest: "what 
happens if we put the *old* cord, on the *old* router?" Dusan is 
willing to experiment;

Re: [lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Anne Toney
 No, but I wear glasses and that doesn't help.  My husband used to do all
the onion chopping for me as it never bothered him.  Alas, he's no longer
around.

Anne in Austin TX
 
---Original Message---
 
From: alice howell
Date: Friday, July 25, 2003 21:04:48
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Subject: [lace-chat] RE: Onions
 
At 11:29 AM 7/25/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>I envy any of you who can handle onions. I've tried all of the things so
>far ... Even doing them in the food processor
 
 
Has anyone ever tried wearing goggles while chopping?
 
 
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re: [lace-chat] day of disasters

2003-07-25 Thread Martha Krieg
She very well may be - she may have spinal stenosis from arthritis, 
affecting the control of everything on the "far end". My father's 
last dog developed this. She was safe as long as she lay still, but 
when she got up, she couldn't help doing her "thing" or two. My 
father didn't punish her for it - just cleaned it up, since as he 
said, "She can't help it". He finally had her put to sleep when she 
could no longer climb the stairs to the back door, and he was too old 
and frail to lift her. I must say, much as I hated to see her 
personality go, I did prefer not finding the wet spots about!
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[lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Martha Krieg
Someone once gave us a pair of safety goggles with a strap labeled 
"onions" (woven into the strap). Yes, it works, but in hot weather, 
it's awfully uncomfortable to have the things on your face. And you 
still have to take them off eventually.
My husband uses frozen onions. I don't - they just don't have the 
"bite" in what's cooked with them. I just crosscut the onion in my 
hand, then slice off the snibbles. (Yes, I know, it's "safer" to cut 
it on a cutting board - but every time I do that, the thing twists 
and the knife slips.)

At 11:29 AM 7/25/2003 +0200, you wrote:
I envy any of you who can handle onions.  I've tried all of the things so
far ...  Even doing them in the food processor


Has anyone ever tried wearing goggles while chopping?



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[lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread alice howell
At 11:29 AM 7/25/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>I envy any of you who can handle onions.  I've tried all of the things so
>far ...  Even doing them in the food processor


Has anyone ever tried wearing goggles while chopping?




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Re: [lace-chat] Fw: Mugwumps! A response to your Lace Chat

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
> I just had to reply.  First, background.  I'm 54, a math teacher
> living in North Pole, Alaska,
(snip)
> Tanya Cunningham

But were you there in August of 1960
when I was there ??

Toni in Seattle
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Re: [lace-chat] RE:summer reading

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
>And since we've been discussing summer reading, I/ve finally pulled out for
>a re-read The Complete Lucia by E.F.Benson.  It is a most delightful set of
>books in one volume, and years ago the BBC made two of them into a short
>series which starring Sir Nigel Hawthorne and Prunella Scales, among others
>Thurlow in Lancaster OH

I haven't read it - yet - but that
reminds me of two other multivolume
stories - "Anne of Green Gables"
(a Canadian author) in six volumes,
and the "Little House on the Prairie"
books - Laura Ingalls Wilder's life
story. She has six?seven? I forget
now how many in the 'set', but
there is an additional one which
sees her married and "On the Way
Home" to where she spent the
rest of her life. There's also a
songbook with the tunes her
father used to play on his violin.
(Her stories were televised, too)

Toni in Seattle
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Re: [lace-chat] Summer Reading

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
> I got so irritated with that soppy Bridget Jones and her daft ideas that I
> wanted to rip her arm off and beat her to death with the soggy end -
>
> Carol - in a wet and very windy East Anglia.

Whoa ! Hold it ! you had better get some
medication - I think whatever it is that the
bloodthirsty it in our White House has may
be catching you . . . 

Toni in Seattle
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Re: [lace-chat] :-) Anbody wanna sing?

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
> I was tempted to try some of the other pages, but I'd spend the whole
evening looking at them.
> Jean in Poole

That's why I stopped at the songs !

Toni in Seattle
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[lace-chat] Fw: Mugwumps! A response to your Lace Chat

2003-07-25 Thread Motherchaos
Hi, Tamara and other Spiders,

My daughter sent your lace-chat (included below my note) about 'Mugwump', so I just 
had to reply.  First, background.  I'm 54, a math teacher living in North Pole, 
Alaska, but I come from solid Southern roots.  My father was born and raised in Cotton 
Plant, Arkansas, where I spent my best summers and vacations.  

The only definition I've ever seen for 'Mugwump' is the political one.  However, I 
have called my grandchildren 'the Mugwumps' since the first one was born 12 years ago. 
 "My" definition is somewhat along these lines:  A Mugwump is a sweet little thing 
with rapscallion tendencies.  I'll even confess to using the term when talking to my 
favorite dog.  The two-sidedness of the original word, that bit about sitting on the 
fence, is still present, since children and critter Mugwumps are so sweet they'd break 
your heart with it while being mischievous enough to be lots of fun.  To my thinking, 
being a Mugwump is a fine, fine thing.

I'd love to hear some of the other explanations you receive.  Perhaps you can have a 
Mugwumps United newsletter!

Best to you, 

Tanya Cunningham

"Whatever happens. Whatever is inevitable. Whatever always differs from what was. Be 
at peace in the Whatever." ... Sheri S. Tepper 


> Gentle Spiders,
>
> Recently, a new word appeared on my horizon: mugwump
>>
> > "mugwump" n, 1) Often capital M. A Republican who bolted his party in
> > 1884, refusing to support James. G. Blaine as candidate for the U.S.
> > presidency (so, who won??? ). 2) Any person who acts independently,
> > especially in politics. [Natick "mugquomp", "mugwomp", "captain"] -
> > mugwumpery n.

>
> 1) Are you familiar with the word (and how/from whom did you learn it)?
> 2) What does it mean to *you*?
> 3) Where are you in the US (or, where did your source come from)?
>
>
> -
> Tamara P Duvall
> 
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[lace-chat] Re: day of disasters

2003-07-25 Thread Maxine D
Ruth,

How can  you wear so many layers in such a warm place as Sydney!

Try here, across the ditch, where we have had 7 frosts in a row varying
between -3 and 0 degrees (Celsius). followed by lovely sunny days of 12 - 15
degrees ;-)

Hoiw do you all manage to send so may emails and still do some lace?

Regards
Maxine, ( Tokoroa, N.Z.)
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Re: [lace-chat] Summer Reading

2003-07-25 Thread Barron
But - I did read "Idon't know how she does it" by Alison Somebody-or- Other,
and thought it very funny, and quite apposite, allowing for a certain amount
of poetic licence!I read it in instalments first in the Daily Telegraph,
and when it was published, was pleased to acquire a copy - which has been
passed round amongst my friends, and I am not entirely sure where it is now!
But - if you get the chance, give it a go - you may find it as readable as I
did!

it's by Allison Pearson, I've not read it yet but it's on my wish list

jenny barron
Scotland
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re: [lace-chat] Language usage query (USA)

2003-07-25 Thread Margery Allcock
Mugwump?

I thought many years ago, vaguely, that it had political connotations, but
wasn't interested enough to find out what it was about.

Then I heard the "fence-sitting" explanation and enjoyed that; and (again
vaguely) believed that not only was it thus self-explanatory but also that
it "retro-fitted" its original meaning.

So both the original political meaning, and the more recent frivolous
meaning, were "a person who will not commit themselves to one side or the
other".

I have no idea where eithe one came from. 8-)

BFN,
Margery.


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[lace-chat] RE: [Lace-Chat] Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Margery Allcock
Some onions make me cry; some don't.  But I don't like chopping them up
anyway, and most times I don't want a whole number.  So I'm experimenting
(yes I know it's extravagant) - I'm going to try a pack of frozen chopped
onion.  It's on order, to be delivered on Monday. 8-)

Margery.


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Re: [lace-chat] :-) Anbody wanna sing?

2003-07-25 Thread Thurlow Weed
Jean,
these are marvellous!  I've just read through the titles and can answer some
of the questions for the gardener wannabe.  In order to attract the
"pleasing Japanese beetles, just plant Sterling Silver roses -- they seem to
thrive on them, and make the blooms look like less that what they're
supposed to, and more like swiss cheese. The strawberries are an excellent
way to attract slugs, who seem to have had little regard for the fact that I
planted the strawberries for me and not for them.  I won by using slug
killer granules, though I've learnt since then that taking a small empty cat
food tin and filling it with beer will do the same thing.  Perhaps this is
included in a chapter of the book about growing beer...?

Thurlow
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To: "Chat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: [lace-chat] :-) Anbody wanna sing?


> Having looked at the web site Toni gave about gardening songs, I chose
> gardening books from the box at the bottom. Well worth looking at. I
> particularly liked these suggested book titles:
>
> How to weed thistles in the nude
>
> Nuclear Gardening -- Making Radiation Work for You
> . . . and the sequel (published posthumously) . . .
> Pest Control For Very Large Insects
>
> The Many Plants I've Known (and Killed)
> There are a whole load more:
>
> http://home.golden.net/~dhobson/conbooks.htm
>
>
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[lace-chat] RE:Onions/summer reading

2003-07-25 Thread Thurlow Weed
I think I'll de-lurk here and put in my two cents' worth.  I have always
loved onions, especially raw, though like most others I cry like a baby when
peeling and slicing.  Howeverm Jean Nathan's advise about aviding cutting
into the root seems worth a try. Hopefully I'll remember it next time I'm
faced with an onion.  Onios also contain a substance called quercitin which
is supposed to be one of the best things for soothing an irritated or
inflamed bowel.  This can be very useful for those with Crohn's disease.
Unfortunately for my SO, who has this uncomfortable affliction, onions
generally aggravate the, and the quercitin has no effect at all.

Thinking again about peeling onions -- considering I'm dealing with a cold
right now, my nose is still stopped up enough that I don't think it would be
able to detect onion fumes and send the message to the tear ducts to turn on
the faucet...

And since we've been discussing summer reading, I/ve finally pulled out for
a re-read The Complete Lucia by E.F.Benson.  It is a most delightful set of
books in one volume, and years ago the BBC made two of them into a short
series which starring Sir Nigel Hawthorne and Prunella Scales, among others

Thurlow in Lancaster OH
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Re: [lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Motherchaos
At least you can eat them!  Ever since I got pregnant with my daughter (6
years ago) I have been unable to eat onionsand I have TRIED!  I love how
they flavor food, but the most I can stand now is the dried onion powder or
dried flakes you can get in the spice isle.  At least I don't have to cut
them anymoreWhen my hubby wants them he trots over to his Mom's house
and they share one.  My Father-in-law can't eat them either, he breaks out
in hives :)
Mikki
Fairbanks Alaska
(Gearing up for state fair time...)




> I envy any of you who can handle onions.  I've tried all of the things so
> far mentioned except the freezer one, and I keep onions in the fridge, but
I
> just can't get past the chopping off the roots and outer leaves without
the
> tears just pouring out.  Even doing them in the food processor for fine
> chopping, doesn't work.  I've even tried putting a peg on my nose!  I have
> found by experience that I am definitely worse with brown and Spanish
onions
> than white, but I prefer brown and Spanish because I like the stronger
> flavours, particularly when using them raw in salads etc.  I've also found
> that I am getting worse as I get older.
>
> Spring onions and leeks also affect me, although they're not as bad as
> onions.
>
> The only thing that works for me is..don't do it!  I just avoid
> chopping onions wherever possible and get Ian to do it for me unless I
> really really have to.
>
> I'll experiment with the freezer idea this weekend for sure, thanks Ruth!
>
> Michelle
> an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa
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Re: [lace-chat] Summer Reading

2003-07-25 Thread Carol Adkinson
I got so irritated with that soppy Bridget Jones and her daft ideas that I
wanted to rip her arm off and beat her to death with the soggy end - and
that was before I finished the first chapter.  I really couldn't bring
myself to read any more!

But - I did read "Idon't know how she does it" by Alison Somebody-or- Other,
and thought it very funny, and quite apposite, allowing for a certain amount
of poetic licence!I read it in instalments first in the Daily Telegraph,
and when it was published, was pleased to acquire a copy - which has been
passed round amongst my friends, and I am not entirely sure where it is now!
But - if you get the chance, give it a go - you may find it as readable as I
did!

Carol - in a wet and very windy East Anglia.
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[lace-chat] :-) Anbody wanna sing?

2003-07-25 Thread Jean Nathan
Having looked at the web site Toni gave about gardening songs, I chose
gardening books from the box at the bottom. Well worth looking at. I
particularly liked these suggested book titles:

How to weed thistles in the nude

Nuclear Gardening -- Making Radiation Work for You
. . . and the sequel (published posthumously) . . .
Pest Control For Very Large Insects

The Many Plants I've Known (and Killed)

The Couch Potato's Guide to Gardening - The Slob Way
Chapters Include:
Weeds - Why Bother?
Yippee, It's Raining -- There's a Game on Anyhow
How Cool it Would Be to Grow Beer
Moving it all Outside -- LazyBoy, Cooler, and Extension Cord

The Natural Weed Garden - It's a Good Thing! by Martha Stewart

How to Attract Slugs to the Veggie Garden

Twelve Step Program for curing Anal Retentaive Belief that a Weed Free Lawn
is Important

Botanical Nomenclature of the Family Ranunculaceae For Dummies

A to B in Gardening

There are a whole load more:

http://home.golden.net/~dhobson/conbooks.htm

I was tempted to try some of the other pages, but I'd spend the whole
evening looking at them.

Jean in Poole
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[lace-chat] What British Reserve

2003-07-25 Thread Jean Nathan
The young man who dropped his trousers at the Queen's garden party was dared
by his brother to do it - and no teenager can resist a dare. He was at the
garden party with his parents, who were asked to leave before they'd even
had a cup of tea :-D

Jean in Poole
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[lace-chat] Videos

2003-07-25 Thread Lynne Cumming
Can any of our American friends help me? I can't remember whether we were
discussing different video formats on Lace or chat but for safety I'm
putting this on chat! I have had 2 American ladies in our shop (in UK) his
week wanting to buy a video which has been made locally about the town. It
is only available in PAL format and I have advised them of this. They had no
idea that the tapes wouldn't work in USA and as they are not cheap I don't
want to sell them something they can't see. Are there places in the USA
where one can get these changed to the correct format or do dual mode videos
exist there as here??
Any help appreciated (I cannot find the relevant mails of course!)

Thanks,

Lynne.
Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
pig."
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[lace-chat] another Angela website ; )

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
http://home.golden.net/~dhobson/gardnews.html#morenude

Women's naked farming ritual brings rain August 16 2002

Some 200 women in Nepal who ploughed their fields naked in a desperate attempt
to bring rain to their drought-stricken region were rewarded as the monsoon
began shortly afterwards, a report said yesterday.
The women had last week locked their husbands inside their houses and then
stripped off to till their fields at midnight in a bid to appease the Hindu
god of rain, Indra.

The superstitious women were trying to bring showers to the far western Banke
district, where the monsoon had failed to materialize and farmers had been
unable to plant rice.

Days after the naked plowing, it began raining in western parts of the country
and it seemed the rain god Indra was finally appeased, the Nepali-language
daily, Nepal Samacharpatra said.

Local official Rajesh Kumar Mahato from the neighboring Dhangadhi district
told the newspaper some places in the region had 197 mm of rainfall at the
weekend.
The ritual had worked so well that excessive rainfall caused roads to become
flooded.
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[lace-chat] anybody wanna sing ? ; )

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
http://home.golden.net/~dhobson/consongs.htm

Toni in Seattle
(I'm a lonely little petunia - in . . .)
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[lace-chat] what British 'reserve' ?? ; )

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s908482.htm
Man drops trousers at royal garden party
The Queen got an unexpected view of one of her subjects when a guest at one of
her regular garden parties dropped his trousers and scampered off among the
tea-drinking crowd.

"He was a young man, an invited guest. He was about 10 yards from the Queen
when he suddenly took off his trousers, nothing more, and sort of sprinted
away from her as it were," said another guest, who asked not to be named.

"He was caught by one of the Yeomen of the Guard."

The guest said the incident was in the Queen's line of sight.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman confirmed that a 17-year-old guest at the
party, one of three the Queen hosts each year, was speaking to police about
the incident but had not been arrested.

"It was inappropriate behaviour, nothing more," he said, stressing that the
Queen's security had not been compromised.

The incident comes just weeks after self-styled comedy terrorist Aaron
Barschak, dressed to resemble Osama bin Laden, gatecrashed Prince William's
21st birthday party at Windsor Castle.

Toni in Seattle

.
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Re: [lace-chat] Linda's virus warning

2003-07-25 Thread Avital Pinnick
Thanks, Jean.

If anyone wants more info on the hoax, here it is:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoa
x.html

Avital

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Subject: [lace-chat] Linda's virus warning


It's a hoax. I've written and told her so. Doesn't matter if you've deleted
the file unless you're a Java developer, and there aren't too many
programmers amongst us.

Jean in Poole
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Re: [lace-chat] Language usage query (USA)

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
> Main Entry: mug·wump
> Pronunciation: 'm&g-"w&mp
> Function: noun
> Etymology: obsolete slang mugwump kingpin, from Massachuset mugquomp,
> muggumquomp war leader
> Date: 1884
> 1 : a bolter from the Republican party in 1884
> 2 : an independent in politics
> So, now, we *both* are keen to know...
> 1) Are you familiar with the word (and how/from whom did you learn it)?

Familiar ? No - learn ? no ...

> 2) What does it mean to *you*?

Not much in *this* century.

> 3) Where are you in the US (or,
> where did your source come from)?
> Tamara P Duvall

My 'source' was the only book with one
h__luva lotta references to politics that
I have ever been able to slog through -
" . . . And Ladies of the Club" - but I did !
and that, incidentally, I have been
'pushing' on this list because it's *such*
a good show-and-tell of the *variety" of
woman-characters/lives starting in 1868
through three generations into the 1900's.
The author, Helen Hooven Sant Myer has
written another/*better* "Gone With the
Wind" and has not, as far as I can tell,
ever received the credit for it that she
earned and deserves. Is it an epic ?
Maybe not, but then, what do I know ?

Toni in Seattle
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[lace-chat] Linda's virus warning

2003-07-25 Thread Jean Nathan
It's a hoax. I've written and told her so. Doesn't matter if you've deleted
the file unless you're a Java developer, and there aren't too many
programmers amongst us.

Jean in Poole
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[lace-chat] are you/your family still employed ?

2003-07-25 Thread Toni Hawryluk
While we make lace,
"things may change . . .".

 The House just passed the Singapore Free Trade Agreement (H.R. 2739) by a
272-155 vote.
 And it passed the Chile Free Trade Agreement (H.R. 2738) 270-156 just a
little bit later.

 Republicans almost totally deserted the higher-skilled American worker and
student on the Singapore pact:
 GOP 197-27

 The Democrats did far better, but the near-religion of free trade at any cost
has infected a sizeable portion
 of the Democrats, who still voted heavily against it:
 DEM 75-127

 The one Independent also voted against the pact.

 With America's information-technology occupations in a state of depression,
the House cavalierly and
 callously voted ideology over compassion or even political sensitivity. Very
sad.
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[lace-chat] Fw: VIRUS WARNING

2003-07-25 Thread Linda Fountain
- Original Message -
From: "Mary Wishart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:29 PM


>
> I received an email today from a friend about a virus and I had been
> infected so I pass on the information to you in the hope that you can
> eliminate it before it does any damage to your address book as
> unfortunately, a virus has been passed on to me by a contact.  My address
> book WAS infected.
>
> Since you are in my address  book, there is a good chance you will find it
> in your computer too.
> The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee
antivirus
> systems.  The virus
> sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the system.  It is sent
> automatically by messenger and by the
> address book, whether or not you sent e-mail to your contacts.
> Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it:
>
> YOU MUST DO THIS:
>
> 1.  Go to start, Find or Search option.
> 2.  In the file folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe
> 3.  Be sure you search your C: drive and all subfolders and any other
drives
> you may have.
> 4.  Click "find now".
> 5.  The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe  DO NOT OPEN
> IT!
> 6.  Go to Edit (on the menu bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
> file without opening it.
> 7.  Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete.  It will then go
to
> the Recycle bin.
> 8.  IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR ADDRESS
> BOOK, SO
> THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
> To do this:
> a.  Open a new e-mail message
> b.  Click the icon of the address book next to the "TO"
> c.  Highlight every name and add to "BCC" (which means blind copy)
> d.  Copy this message and paste to e-mail or forward it.
>
>
>
> This is all the information I have- no idea what the virus will do?
>
> Maree
>
>   Maree
>
> _
> It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!
> http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
>
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[lace-chat] RE: Onions

2003-07-25 Thread Ian & Chelle Long
I envy any of you who can handle onions.  I've tried all of the things so
far mentioned except the freezer one, and I keep onions in the fridge, but I
just can't get past the chopping off the roots and outer leaves without the
tears just pouring out.  Even doing them in the food processor for fine
chopping, doesn't work.  I've even tried putting a peg on my nose!  I have
found by experience that I am definitely worse with brown and Spanish onions
than white, but I prefer brown and Spanish because I like the stronger
flavours, particularly when using them raw in salads etc.  I've also found
that I am getting worse as I get older.

Spring onions and leeks also affect me, although they're not as bad as
onions.

The only thing that works for me is..don't do it!  I just avoid
chopping onions wherever possible and get Ian to do it for me unless I
really really have to.

I'll experiment with the freezer idea this weekend for sure, thanks Ruth!

Michelle
an Aussie living in Richards Bay, South Africa


Ian & Chelle Long
+27 35 788 0777
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re: [lace-chat] day of disasters

2003-07-25 Thread Ruth Budge
I'm fast reaching the stage where I'm becoming disenchanted with pets!!  
Todays episode occurred when I had a friend drop in to see me.   We sat
chatting over a cuppa, and the dog, as she does, landed on my lap, then
eventually took up her usual position squashed down beside me in the arm chair.
 (She was trained young to always leave room on the lap for a lace pillow!)

The doorbell rang - someone bringing a book to my DH, who was out, so I dealt
with the chap at the door.

When I returned to my chair, I immediately found I had a wet bottom.  Dog got
thrown outside...fast!   I don't know if it was "leakage" whilst she sat
squashed in beside me, or whether she decided to squat there instead of asking
to go out whilst I was at the door.

After my friend left a couple of minutes later, I had to go and change:  my
slacks, pants, woollen tights (remember its winter here!)and shirt with long
tail all were wet.How much longer can a 14 year old dog live???!!   I love
her dearly, but I am starting to think she's going senile.

Ruth (Sydney, Australia)

 --- Bev Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone and Ruth
> 
> It must have been a day for synchronic radio - no, not the peeling onions
> but the doggy thing...I was listening to the radio morning show and there
> was an interview with someone whose dog was attacked by a raccoon. The
> dog's owner works at the station, brought her dog in with her for the
> feature. No listener would have been the wiser, except after her
> interview, the host and someone were gagging a bit (dogs will be dogs),
> and no windows to open, in their hot, subterranean studio.
> 
> Perhaps they should have had some onions to peel ;)
> 
> I am affected by onions; I run cold water over them after cutting off the
> root and top ends, and again after removing the outer layer. The bits go
> into the compost bucket.


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