Re: [lace-chat] Re: St. Nicholas Day Info Needed
Dear Lacemakers, and Brenda, > > On 4 Dec 2003, at 04:13, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: > > The feast of St Nicholas is on Dec 6th in *Roman* Catholic church, > > but on the 5th in the *Orthodox* one... > > > Probably something to do with the Orthodox church recognising the > Gregorian calendar later than the Catholic church. > > Brenda > The calendar shift moved things on several days - for example, I think that may be why Christmas is no longer at the year's end. The difference between 5th and 6th for a feast day is probably more to do with when you count the day as starting. According to an older system, perhaps based on the Jewish method, the day runs from Sunset to Sunset. Roman Catholic missals still reflect this, (so I've heard), by having services for "The Eve of the Feast", and "The Morning of the Feast": Christmas, for example. Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] archives, was worrisome
Avital Pinnick a fait jouer ses doigts de fée pour écrire à Ò[lace-chat] archives, was worrisomeÓ. [2003/12/07 06:31] > Hi, all, > In the > actual message, the e-mail address is concealed, so it can't be picked up > by > automatic spam harvesters (Yahoo does something similar--you can only see > the first part of an e-mail address). I have not noticed any increase in > spam since using mail-archive, so I presume that this device is effective, as for me , the only server that doesn't have spam is arachne ... i receive all arachne mails in a separate file on my mail client and it's so comfortable to know there aren't any penis enlargement adds or other to get rid of .. dominique from paris To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Archives
> From: "Avital Pinnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have not noticed any increase in spam since using mail-archive... I've noticed a big increase in spam since I joined Arachne. It may be nothing to do with the archiving, and it may be nothing to do with Arachne at all, but I do get a lot more spam now than I used to before I joined. Regards, Annette in London To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Archives
It may have to do with when you joined. Spam has increased greatly over the past year or so, according to people I know who do get spam. I'm one of the lucky ones who gets almost no spam because I'm very careful about what I do with my address. Every time your e-mail address appears on a Web page, for example, it can be "harvested." LaRae's Locate a Lacemaker page is one example that comes to mind. When I realised that the addresses were unprotected, I replaced my private e-mail with a yahoo mail address that I use as my "spamable" address. If your address has appeared on a guild list, that could also be a source. I see that you have a Yahoo account. From time to time, Yahoo changes its policies to put you on mailing lists (= send me spam). They send out an announcement and I always go into my yahoo profile and uncheck the boxes that allow them to send you junk mail. So it's worth checking your yahoo profile if you haven't done that for a while. Other possible sources of spam are clicking on those links at the bottom of spam that say "Click here to unsubscribe." All that does is tell the spammer that he's got a live address. Posting on usenet groups used to be another source of spam. Registering with your e-mail address for on-line surveys or newsletters or software can also result in your address being sent to a spammer. I use a throwaway address for those requests where I'm not sure whether I can trust the person at the other end. Avital Original Message: - From: Annette Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:53:57 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] Archives > From: "Avital Pinnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have not noticed any increase in spam since using mail-archive... I've noticed a big increase in spam since I joined Arachne. It may be nothing to do with the archiving, and it may be nothing to do with Arachne at all, but I do get a lot more spam now than I used to before I joined. Regards, Annette in London mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] ebay
just a silly Sunday afternoon question - but has anyone ever heard of this video? I can't buy it and play it as Betamax - as far as I am aware - is no longer available. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3368715460&category=228 6 jenny barron chilly Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] ebay
Here it is: http://mjf.smsu.edu/faculty/wang/ih/career/1977_lacemaker.htm. Plot: "Pomme, just passed 18-year-old, is an apprentice at a beauty salon in Paris. Discreet, graceful and quite, Pomme doesn't disturb anyone. She meets a dashing university student on summer holidays and falls rapturously love with him. The student is captivated by her gracefulness and attracted by her virginity. But his inability to appreciate her inner beauty leads to heartbreaking tragedy for the fragile young woman." Not sure what lacemaking has to do with the story. Avital Original Message: - From: Barron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:10:09 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace-chat] ebay just a silly Sunday afternoon question - but has anyone ever heard of this video? I can't buy it and play it as Betamax - as far as I am aware - is no longer available. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3368715460&category=228 6 jenny barron chilly Scotland mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] FW: One of My Favourite Tales of Exploration
The Bacon Tree A long time ago when America was being settled, a group of people headed west in a wagon trail from the east coast. The wagon train leader was very inexperienced and soon the people realised they were hopelessly lost. After wandering for weeks and weeks, their food supplies were gone and winter was fast approaching. As the group came over a hill they saw the first person they had seen for days; a strange old man sitting beneath a tree. The leader of the wagon train approached the man. "Can you help us? We're heading west but we're lost and all our food is gone. We're starving." The old man replied, "You know, I can see the future Wait.. I'm getting a vision now." He held one hand to his brow and closed his eyes in concentration. "It's coming. Oh yes, I see, I see. I know what you must do. Go up this hill and down the other side. Go through the forest and across the stream. Then go up the next hill and down to the valley below. There you will find a bacon tree." "A bacon tree?" asked the wagon tree leader. "A bacon tree. Trust me. I can see the future." The wagon train leader shrugged and headed off. The group followed the strange old man's directions exactly. They went up the hill, down the other side, through the forest, across the stream, up the next hill and down to the valley below. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Not a thing and especially not a bacon tree. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, came Indians from all sides. It was a massacre. All but one man was killed and even he was seriously wounded. He crawled up the hill, crawled across the stream, crawled through the forest, crawled up the hill and crawled down into the valley. There, under the tree was that same strange old man, still there where they had left him. The injured man crawled up to him and started shouting... "What were you thinking? You sent us all to our deaths! We followed your instructions to the letter! We went up the hill, down the other side, through the forest, across the stream, up the next hill and down the valley below. NO BACON TREE! Just Indians, thousands of them! Everyone else is DEAD!" The man held up his hand and said "Wait for it... I'm getting a vision Huh. Ooooh. Oh, I get it. Oh my, I made a mistake... T'was not a Bacon Tree... ...T'was a Ham Bush." To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] The Big Read - Top 21
The BBC is running "The Big Read" - the nation's best loved books, and since April have narrowed the choice down to the following 21 favourites; In alphabetical order: Birdsong, Sebastian Faulks Captain Corelli's Mandolin, Louis de Bernieres Catch-22, Joseph Heller The Catcher in the Rye, JD Salinger Great Expectations, Charles Dickens Gone with the Wind, Margaret Mitchell Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, JK Rowling His Dark Materials, Philip Pullman The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams Jane Eyre, Charlotte Brontë The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, CS Lewis Little Women, Louisa May Alcott The Lord of the Rings, JRR Tolkien Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell To Kill a Mockingbird, Harper Lee Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen Rebecca, Daphne du Maurier War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy The Wind in the Willows, Kenneth Grahame Winnie the Pooh, AA Milne Wuthering Heights, Emily Brontë To vote for your favourite book, or to read about the other 200 books, goto http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/bigread/vote/ What's your all time favourite read?Mine - it's "Rebecca" Regards, Ann McClean in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] CAWTHORN, SCOTT & DeSilva PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ "BookCrossing" - find a book, take it and read it, and then leave it somewhere for someone else to find and read. http://www.bookcrossing.com/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] ebay
Hi Jenny - I have seen copies of this film on eBay continuously over the years, so if you really want it, just be patient and you'll find a version you can use. However, as I recall from plot overviews I read long ago, this is a story of a hairdresser who is wooed by a rich young man. Can't remember whether it has a happy ending or not - haven't seen the film. But from all I could tell by the description, there didn't seem to be a lacemaker in the story!! (Unless there is some allegorical thing going on that wasn't evident in the blurb...) Clay - Original Message - From: "Barron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: [lace-chat] ebay > just a silly Sunday afternoon question - but has anyone ever heard of this > video? I can't buy it and play it as Betamax - as far as I am aware - is no > longer available. > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3368715460&category=228 > 6 > > jenny barron > chilly Scotland > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] The Big Read - Top 21
What's your all time favourite read?Mine - it's "Rebecca" Regards, Ann McClean I can't decide between two, my favourite as a child was the Lion, the Witch and the wardrobe and as an adult it's Pride and Prejudice jenny barron Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] ebay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a fait jouer ses doigts de fée pour écrire à ÒRE: [lace-chat] ebay Ó. [2003/12/07 16:39] > Original Message: > - > From: Barron [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:10:09 - > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [lace-chat] ebay > > > just a silly Sunday afternoon question - but has anyone ever heard of this > video? I can't buy it and play it as Betamax - as far as I am aware - is > no > longer available. > > Not sure what lacemaking has to do with the story. > > Avital > if it's about the movie starring Isabelle Hupert : nothing whatsoever except the title ... . dominique from freezing paris . i guess it should be deep frozen tomorrow morning ... To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: worrisome
I, also, had some mail from someone who picked up on my name here on the List - though how, I don't know, as I sign myself Liz only. He recognised my Hungarian surname, and was also an Hungarian, and was asking about me. I very quickly froze him off, by telling him I was English, not Hungarian, was not interested in what his project was, etc., and then did not reply to his next mail. I tried to be coldly polite!!! He said he was reseaching something, and came across my name on the list etc. How did he access the list? and how did he get hold of my surname? A bit of a mystery! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: lace-chat-digest V1 #2287
O.K. Reading the rest of the Chat List, and Avital's explanation, I now know how the Hungarian chap got on to me. Many thanks for the explanation, Avital. That solves one mystery!!! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Re: "Cornered" Waterlily
here here...I love Waterlily and HATE corners. They never did corners in the old days. I don't see a need to now. Cearbhael - Original Message - From: "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lace Arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: [lace] Re: "Cornered" Waterlily > On Sunday, Dec 7, 2003, at 09:44 US/Eastern, Anita Awenat wrote: > > > Now, one other thing, does anyone know if there is a published pattern > > of a > > corner for the Waterlily pattern. I'd like to try it as a handkerchief > > edging, but can't seem to track down an existing corner design. (I'm > > not > > interested in the torchon hex version). > > I've never seen one. As Karen'd said, there's a pattern for Bucks > Waterlily in Stott's Visual Introduction to BP Lace, but it's straight, > no corner. Truth to tell, I've not seen all that many "cornered" PG > patterns (Buks Point or other), especially reproductions of traditional > ones, once they got past 35 pairs or so. > > I think, part of the reason is that the PG angles are not "natural" > for forming corners, the way 45 degree angle is. You have to figure on > adding a pair for every 5-7 pairs used on the straight, and, even so, > the results are apt to be awkward and/or require a lot of juggling. The > widest PG lace with a corner I've ever seen is the Seascape, in Stott > and Cook's "100 Traditional BL Patterns". It uses 54 pairs on the > straight, plus 18 for the corner. Even if one were to rework the > innermost part of it and remove the flower (which is neither here nor > there in relationship to the rest of the pattern but requires extra 9 > pairs by itself), it's still a lot of trouble for what amounts to about > two rows of ground (and, of course, you never remove the same pairs > you'd added ). > > Also... > > I may be entirely wrong, but I have a feeling that, until the last > 10-15 yrs, there weren't really all that many lacemakers who had both > the skills to handle really complex patterns *and* the necessary > disregard for tradition :) The amateur lacemakers of 30-40 yrs ago (and > amateur lacemakers are who the pattern books are being written for), > even if they had the skills, would have been more interested in > reviving lacemaking as it had been, not as it might be. And there's > precious little tradition of corners in PG :) There are more corners > included in newer publications but, in the older ones, the corners seem > to be aimed at "middle advanced" -- 20-36 "regular" pairs... > > Personally, I'm going "off" corners, especially in the finer laces :) > For one thing, half of the time they look "half baked", forced; Karen > Trend Nissen is exceptionally nimble at designing "logical" corners > (Tonder) and Pamela Nottingham is also very good (Bucks; mostly simple > ones though), but they're rare. For another thing, all that hanging in > and taking out of corner extras (and learning to jump through new hoops > 4 times -- usually widely spaced) is but the beginning of the > nightmare; you then have to have machine precision in mounting the lace > "just so" to fit the fabric. Gathered corners are much more > "forgiving", even if they mean making extra few inches of the pattern > (at least you know the pattern well, since it doesn't change ). And, > for all they don't show off the pattern as well as "flat" lace, they > seem to have more life to them; they "dance". > > - > Tamara P Duvall > Lexington, Virginia, USA > Formerly of Warsaw, Poland > http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: worrisome
Your entire name is in your e-mail address for everyone to see. When I look at the header I see "Elizabeth Ligeti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Also, see the header quoted below. If you want to hide your full name, you must change your e-mail program configuration. If you need help, e-mail me privately and I'll walk you through it. Avital - Original Message - From: "Elizabeth Ligeti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Re: worrisome I, also, had some mail from someone who picked up on my name here on the List - though how, I don't know, as I sign myself Liz only. He recognised my Hungarian surname, and was also an Hungarian, and was asking about me. I very quickly froze him off, by telling him I was English, not Hungarian, was not interested in what his project was, etc., and then did not reply to his next mail. I tried to be coldly polite!!! He said he was reseaching something, and came across my name on the list etc. How did he access the list? and how did he get hold of my surname? A bit of a mystery! from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] worrisome/general observations
1) I Google myself once in a while (like to be famous ) and some messages of mine -- posted to one of the lists (lace or chat, though mostly lace) -- have been showing up *long before* the Mail Archives. 2) Even though I did not change my e-address, the amount of spam I got dropped to zero when I changed the mail system (from Netsacape to Apple Mail). It started to pick up after a while (2-3 months), as, with the broadband, I went to visit a lot more websites than before. But then it stayed level (5-8 spam messages a day) for quite a long time. When it *really* picked up (25-30 spam messages a day) was when the "no-call registry" went into effect in the US; the telemarketers are gonna get ya one way or another -- it's a fact of life :) 3) Privacy has always been a "in your mind only" concept... :) All sorts of personal info has, always, been available to those dedicated/clued in; KGB, FBI and all other, lesser, "info-gatherers" have always known who sneezed and when (often better than we knew ourselves ). There's nothing new about it, it's just easier now for a broader range of people to get access to it. Getting paranoid about it and living (mentally) in a constant state of siege is not going to change anything (except, perhaps, your medical bills, when you get an ulcer). I refuse to fill out questionnaires (even if they offer me a one-in-10-million chance for a free pop-corn popper ), but I do it half-heartedly, knowing it's almost futile either way. I do get a "kick" out of "mis-cast" mailings (both e- and s-) asking me to contribute to Bush's election campaign or to Christian missionary outposts in Africa (s-mail), or (e-mail) to buy specifics which will increase my penis by 3" (myself, I do not discriminate against the less endowed, but I wouldn't want to date someone whose penis was only 3" long ) and make it stay up (Viagra) or down (Prozac)... I don't care where or how they harvest my e-address -- I trash everything which has an unfamiliar originating address and/or is addressed to multiple recipients, none of whom I recognise. There are some other "barriers" which make me decide whether or not to open a message. Some -- which I'd opened either out of curiosity (a Mac has a thicker anti-virus "cushion" built in) or by mistake -- have resulted in very interesting (though not long-lasting) exchanges. In general, I feel that my life is an open book, if a boring one. Anyone who wants to read about tension (or whatever) in BL, is more than welcome :) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] SP Thanks
Dear Secret Pal, Thank you once again for the wonderful surprise that was waiting for me after a very trying day at work, it really did lift my spirits. The bobbin bag is great and everyone at our Lace Guide meeting commented "what a wonderful bag and such nice material too", I felt very lucky to have such a thoughtful pal. I can't wait to see their reaction to the bobbin bag. The bobbins are also very beautiful, I just love them, they are so fine and nice to handle, I can't wait to start some more lace so I can use them. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and all the Best for the New Year Thank you Faye Faye Owers Shearwater Tasmania Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
