[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Adhesives

2005-08-01 Thread Margery Allcock
I used FrayCheck to finish off the ends on a tiny medallion, and within a
year the glue turned golden brown.

I wouldn't recommend it unless golden spots are the effect you want. 

Margery.

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[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thankyou.

2005-08-01 Thread Barrie & Julie Todd
Dear Secret Pal,
I must apologize for not replying sooner, my computer went down the day I
received your parcel last month and we have just got ourselves a new one so
I am sorry for the delay.

Thankyou for the lovely goodies, a girl can never have enough pins, threads
or bobbins to keep her out of trouble.  Thankyou also for the Book on
Bobbins, I have been enjoying reading it.

Thank you once again

Your Secret Pal from New Zealand
Julie

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[lace-chat] Chemicals, Photography, Preservation & Restoration

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
Hi All!

This article came to my attention and it reminded me of the discussion on 
Arachne about the effects of chemicals on lace, especially once it gets old, 
arts 
of preservation and restoration, and the difficulties of photographing 
delicate lace. I'm sending this to lace-chat since it doesn't directly relate 
to 
lace, but there do seem to be certain parallels which might interest some of 
you.

Kind regards,

Ricki
Utah USA

* * * 
Monks use hi-tech camera to read ancient manuscripts

http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/20/int10.htm

2005-07-28

MOUNT SINAI, Egypt - The world's oldest monastery plans to use hi-tech
cameras to shed new light on ancient Christian texts preserved for centuries 
within
its fortress walls in the Sinai Desert.

Saint Catherine's Monastery hopes the technology will allow a fuller
understanding of some of the world's earliest Christian texts, including 
pages from
the Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest surviving bible in the world.

The technique, known as hyperspectral imaging, will use a camera to
photograph the parchments at different wavelengths of light, highlighting 
faded texts
obscured by time and later overwritings.

It should allow scholars to understand corrections made to pages of the Greek
Codex Sinaiticus, written between 330 and 350 and thought to be one of 50
copies of the scriptures commissioned by Roman Emperor Constantine. . . . 

In a joint project with the monastery, libraries in Britain, Germany and
Russia, which together hold the bulk of the manuscript, will also scan pages 
and
fragments of the text to digitally reunite the work in a facsimile.

Lost to Europe

[snip]

The monastery, which has never lost hope the manuscript may return, has
agreed to take part in the project on condition it includes a modern history 
of the
Codex. . . . 

Pages of the Codex Sinaiticus in Britain and Germany are in good enough
condition to be photographed straightaway, but those in the monastery need
restoration to ready them for the process.

"Some of them are crumpled in the state they were found in and they need to
be opened up", said book historian Nicholas Pickwoad, an adviser to the
monastery's conservation project.

The monastery plans to build a conservation workshop to treat the Codex and
other works in its collection of 3,304 manuscripts and 1,700 scrolls, which
make up the biggest collection of early Christian texts outside the Vatican.

It will also build a new library to house the collection, preserved by the
monastery's remote location, a dry desert climate and the care of the monks.
"There is nothing else quite like this collection. It doesn't compare," 
Pickwoad
said.

Manuscripts online

Hyperspectral imaging will be used to read another of the monastery's most
significant manuscripts: the Codex Syriacus.

The technology should allow scholars to read the faint remnants of a
washed-out 5th-century text which lie underneath visible 8th-century writing. 
The
underlying text in Syriac is a copy of a 2nd-century translation of the New
Testament gospels.

In the late 19th century, scholars applied chemicals to the manuscript which
briefly made the underlying text visible but made the parchment more brittle.
"It's almost certain that the whole text has not been extracted yet." 
Pickwoad
said.

Photographing the rippled parchment may involve using up to "four cameras
taking images from different angles and then knitting the image together,
electronically pulling it flat because we may not be able to pull it flat
physically." he said.

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Re: [lace-chat] bobbins

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
In a message dated 7/30/2005 6:37:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> same website, but this is a nice set of the 12 days of christmas.
> http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk/images/12days.jpg


Those are great bobbins -- thanks for those links! Looks like 9 days of 
Christmas, though, not 12 - but I'd take 'em any which way.

Ricki
Utah USA

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[lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
Hi All,

Here in Utah, the Seagull is our State Bird, even though the only sea in 
sight is now a salt lake. I'll save the story of how the seagulls saved the 
Mormon 
pioneers from the crickets for another day. But maybe you'd like this little 
story

A little boy and his mum were walking along the seashore, when they came upon 
a dead seagull lying on the beach. The little boy asked his mum what was 
wrong with the bird. She told him, "That poor seagull died, and went to heaven 
to 
be with God." The little boy thought about this for a minute, then asked his 
mum, "Why did God throw it back down?"

Ricki 
Utah USA

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[lace-chat] fray check

2005-08-01 Thread
Fray Check (or however it's being spelled) has been around for donkey's years.
I can assure you that it does turn yellow/brown with time.  When it first came
out I thought it was a great idea..didn't have to hem the linen for cross
stitch.  Those edges are now a horrible rusty brown.  Don't believe all those
claims about none yellowing glues, particualrly if you are in a moist climate
where wood is the main heating fuel.   Sharon on Vancouver Island.
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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread susan
i have a seagull story that isn't so nice.  i think the birds are
beautiful, but a little agressive.

i was walking to catch the bus in norfolk virginia about 7 months ago
at one of mall areas.  i can't remember which one, but there is a
mcdonalds sitting off to the right that i went to for some fries to eat
while i was waiting.  i started walking towards the bus stop and pulled
my red french fry box out and started eating the fries when a few of
them swooped down on me.  i laughed and thought "oh, just silly
birds!", then i walked a few more steps and they started dive bombing
me.  i tried to run, but it was imposible to outrun about 25 birds.  as
i was running i put my red french fry container in the white mcdonald's
bag and they went away. 

 i went home and told my uncle what happened and he said he never had
that experience with them and thought they were such nice birds.  we
also had a big discussion of what kind of bird they really were since i
had never seen such wierd looking seagulls. i have never seen them with
the gray and white coloring.  i looked them up in a bird watching book
that describes their habits and environment and found that he was
correct.  they were seagulls, and i also found out the color red
triggers their eating habits.  it comes from when they are young and
feeding from their mother's bill.  

moral of the story: do not eat out of red containers while waiting for
a bus in norfolk virginia. 

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Here in Utah, the Seagull is our State Bird, even though the only sea
> in 
> sight is now a salt lake. I'll save the story of how the seagulls
> saved the Mormon 
> pioneers from the crickets for another day. But maybe you'd like this
> little 
> story
> 
> A little boy and his mum were walking along the seashore, when they
> came upon 
> a dead seagull lying on the beach. The little boy asked his mum what
> was 
> wrong with the bird. She told him, "That poor seagull died, and went
> to heaven to 
> be with God." The little boy thought about this for a minute, then
> asked his 
> mum, "Why did God throw it back down?"
> 
> Ricki 
> Utah USA
> 
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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
In a message dated 8/1/2005 1:08:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> i have a seagull story that isn't so nice.  i think the birds are
> beautiful, but a little agressive.
> 
> i was walking to catch the bus in norfolk virginia about 7 months ago
> at one of mall areas.  i can't remember which one, but there is a
> mcdonalds sitting off to the right that i went to for some fries to eat
> while i was waiting.  i started walking towards the bus stop and pulled
> my red french fry box out and started eating the fries when a few of
> them swooped down on me.  i laughed and thought "oh, just silly
> birds!", then i walked a few more steps and they started dive bombing
> me.  i tried to run, but it was imposible to outrun about 25 birds.  as
> i was running i put my red french fry container in the white mcdonald's
> bag and they went away. 
> 
> i went home and told my uncle what happened and he said he never had
> that experience with them and thought they were such nice birds.  we
> also had a big discussion of what kind of bird they really were since i
> had never seen such wierd looking seagulls. i have never seen them with
> the gray and white coloring.  i looked them up in a bird watching book
> that describes their habits and environment and found that he was
> correct.  they were seagulls, and i also found out the color red
> triggers their eating habits.  it comes from when they are young and
> feeding from their mother's bill.  
> 
> 

Well, Suz, there's one thing you've got to know about seagulls -- not all of 
them come from heaven, like the ones we have here! :<)) (and no, they're not 
red here)

On the brighter side, sounds like your story could be the plot of a great 
film for the Bicknell Film Festival here, last weekend in Torrey (no relation) 
Utahalongside the waterskiing cat. 
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-07-23-bmovie-festival_x.htm

(But wait -- I think there was some film kinda like that already!)

It could have been worse -- Just be glad you had those french fries to offer 
-- that's all I can say!

Ricki
Utah USA

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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread susan
it's really an orange-red spot on their beak not an red beak and it is
where the yound aim at that spot when the mother seagull is feeding
them.


i really did watch the attack of the killer tomatoes once.  i don't
think it could have been outdone or outwon in this movie catagory.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/2005 1:08:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > i have a seagull story that isn't so nice.  i think the birds are
> > beautiful, but a little agressive.
> > 
> > i was walking to catch the bus in norfolk virginia about 7 months
> ago
> > at one of mall areas.  i can't remember which one, but there is a
> > mcdonalds sitting off to the right that i went to for some fries to
> eat
> > while i was waiting.  i started walking towards the bus stop and
> pulled
> > my red french fry box out and started eating the fries when a few
> of
> > them swooped down on me.  i laughed and thought "oh, just silly
> > birds!", then i walked a few more steps and they started dive
> bombing
> > me.  i tried to run, but it was imposible to outrun about 25 birds.
>  as
> > i was running i put my red french fry container in the white
> mcdonald's
> > bag and they went away. 
> > 
> > i went home and told my uncle what happened and he said he never
> had
> > that experience with them and thought they were such nice birds. 
> we
> > also had a big discussion of what kind of bird they really were
> since i
> > had never seen such wierd looking seagulls. i have never seen them
> with
> > the gray and white coloring.  i looked them up in a bird watching
> book
> > that describes their habits and environment and found that he was
> > correct.  they were seagulls, and i also found out the color red
> > triggers their eating habits.  it comes from when they are young
> and
> > feeding from their mother's bill.  
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well, Suz, there's one thing you've got to know about seagulls -- not
> all of 
> them come from heaven, like the ones we have here! :<)) (and no,
> they're not 
> red here)
> 
> On the brighter side, sounds like your story could be the plot of a
> great 
> film for the Bicknell Film Festival here, last weekend in Torrey (no
> relation) 
> Utahalongside the waterskiing cat. 
>
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2005-07-23-bmovie-festival_x.htm
> 
> (But wait -- I think there was some film kinda like that already!)
> 
> It could have been worse -- Just be glad you had those french fries
> to offer 
> -- that's all I can say!
> 
> Ricki
> Utah USA
> 
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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
In a message dated 8/1/2005 4:37:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

it's really an orange-red spot on their beak not an red beak and it is
where the yound aim at that spot when the mother seagull is feeding
them.


Ahh! Thanks for the clarification -- need to watch out for those, in case 
they invade here, along with the killer bees, some of which have been spotted 
in 
southern Utah.


> i really did watch the attack of the killer tomatoes once.  i don't
> think it could have been outdone or outwon in this movie catagory.

Yes, that movie was at the top of the bill for last year's festival, and I 
remember seeing some scary artwork on their webpage showing a tomato with teeth.

This year's lineup looks like it was tame in comparison (except for Halfway 
to Hell, of course).
http://www.waynetheatre.com/biff.html

Ricki

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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread A & Y Farrell
>
> >
> > > i have a seagull story that isn't so nice.  i think the birds are
> > > beautiful, but a little agressive.


In the middle of our town we have a man made lake. Well more of a dirty pond
which attracts lots of bird life. In the past year pelicans have started
attacking tourists and picnicers at the lake, stealing whatever food they
can. It becomes very dangerous when the pelicans start chasing children as
they can inflict a lot of damage. One stole a childs wallet last summer.
After a couple of stories in the local newspaper all feeding of pelicans was
banned at the lake and some of them were relocated. Seems to have stopped
the problem. Good story for the local paper though. Pelican steals
wallet...LOL

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[lace-chat] Travelling children and books alive

2005-08-01 Thread A & Y Farrell
Hello All,

I had a very big day yesterday. I put DD1 on a flight for the US. It was very
hard to watch her leave knowing that it will be over 4 months before we see
her again. It's the first time anyone in our family has travelled overseas. I
know a lot of you have travelled and your children live in other countries but
it is all new for us, kind of like a new chapter in our lives. I am really
excited for her, but a little empty inside knowing she won't be around for a
while.

On a different note; Eats Shoots and Leaves, which has been the subject of
much discussion on lace chat is on a list of 50 great reads released by the
Australian government. A project aimed to increase adult reading levels.The
government has realised that when adult literacy levels rise child literacy
levels also rise. Kind of a 'win, win' effect. You can see the site at
www.booksalive.com.au

Cheers, Yvonne.

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Re: [lace-chat] Sad Seagull Story

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
In a message dated 8/1/2005 5:42:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pelican steals
wallet...LOL
Understandable, since pelicans have such big bills! :>)

Ricki T
Utah 

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Re: [lace-chat] Travelling children and books alive

2005-08-01 Thread RicTorr8
In a message dated 8/1/2005 5:56:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I had a very big day yesterday. I put DD1 on a flight for the US. It was very
hard to watch her leave knowing that it will be over 4 months before we see
her again. It's the first time anyone in our family has travelled overseas. I
know a lot of you have travelled and your children live in other countries but
it is all new for us, kind of like a new chapter in our lives. I am really
excited for her, but a little empty inside knowing she won't be around for a
while.

Ah, yes - the empty nest syndrome! I'm dreading that, with my own DD planning 
to move out to the University dorms this fall, even though it's just a few 
miles up the hill.

I heard a radio talk show recently with a caller who was facing the same 
problem. While acknowledging that it was normal and healthy for children to 
grow 
up and establish an independent life, but that still the mom was struggling 
with missing her, the talk show host said, "It's healthy that you should miss 
your daughter. It shows you have a loving and close relationship. The real 
problem would be if you did NOT miss her."

I found some comfort in that, even though I do kinda wish my daughter would 
never grow up! 

Ricki T
Utah USA

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Re: [lace-chat] Travelling children

2005-08-01 Thread Sue Babbs
Whereabouts is your daughter coming to in the US? Are any of us near enough 
to offer her hospitality?

Sue

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[lace-chat] Re: Travelling children

2005-08-01 Thread Tamara P Duvall
On Aug 1, 2005, at 22:08, Sue Babbs wrote (in response to Yvonne's 
message):


Whereabouts is your daughter coming to in the US? Are any of us near 
enough to offer her hospitality?


Me, me!  She'll be at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, 
which is just 75 miles away, and I'm going to meet Yvonnne too, when 
she comes to vist her daughter come Christmastime...


Yours, bubbling (and babbling) in expectation,
--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace-chat] Re: Travelling children

2005-08-01 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Aug 1, 2005, at 21:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ricki) wrote:

I heard a radio talk show recently with a caller who was facing the 
same
problem. While acknowledging that it was normal and healthy for 
children to grow
up and establish an independent life, but that still the mom was 
struggling
with missing her, the talk show host said, "It's healthy that you 
should miss
your daughter. It shows you have a loving and close relationship. The 
real

problem would be if you did NOT miss her."


Yeah, well... :) I grew up in an environment where the majority of 
students stayed home with their parents during the college years - we 
had to, due to shortage of dorms (never mind rental apartments) . So I 
was appalled at the idea that my only son was going to go away for 
college, and I'd only see him twice a year. At 17, yet...


But, his last year at home was so stressful, it was a wonder we didn't 
kill one another :) So I didn't mind his going away as much as I 
thought I would, when the time came. And the 4 months of separation did 
both of us a "power of good"  Once I was no longer responsible for 
micro-managing him, I was able to concentrate on his more admirable 
traits and missed him (so, there's always e-mail; he taught me how to 
use it ) -something I never thought I would :) And I was able to 
remember that I was as much (probably more) pain in the butt to my 
mother, only, with me, it happened much earlier (girls *do* grow up 
faster than boys; nobody's gonna tell me different )


He, too, given some space to breathe and time to reflect without heat, 
discovered (from other students) that things might have been *much 
worse* in "parental units" stakes... :)


So, from that first Christmas, we went back to being great friends 
again, if no longer *quite* on the same terms. Now, we like one another 
as human beings, not as a parent and child.


--
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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace-chat] Re: books alive/good read

2005-08-01 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Aug 1, 2005, at 19:52, A & Y Farrell (Yvonne) wrote:

The government has realised that when adult literacy levels rise child 
literacy

levels also rise.


What a totally novel idea!  Bet it took a 15-person committee 5 yrs 
to come to that conclusion :)


You read to your kid from before he (or she) understands that you'r 
reading, not just telling stories, the child is likely to be interested 
in books. And, if both your parents are bookworms, with their noses 
stuck in a book every free moment, you have a blue-print for what to do 
to entertain yourself, no?


Not that I think a book on *punctuation* is likely to raise the level 
of *literacy* all that much... :)


On the "good read" front... A while back, I recommended Alisa 
Valdes-Rodriguez's "The Dirty Girls Social Club" as a most-excellent 
"ethnic" "read" - the lives of several Latino young women, from totally 
different backgrounds (country, skin-tone, social standing) in US.


Well... She's come up with a new book - "Playing with Boys" - so I 
snapped it up, when I saw it at the library. To an extent, it's the 
(old) story of the second book... twice as long and half as good, with 
the same basic "formula" (changing narrators every chapter). And, like 
the rest of US, she's become "polarised"; she's much more vehemently 
Republican now than she used to be, and seems to accept propaganda as 
facts. But the book is still very well written - funny and schmaltzy in 
the right proportion - and a good way for a non-Latin-American to get a 
glimmer of an idea that not all people whose surnames end in -ez are 
identical :)


--
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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: TOO HIGH

2005-08-01 Thread Tamara P Duvall

I think I've seen this one before; still find it amusing...


From: L.F.


A group of 3rd, 4th and 5th graders, accompanied by two female 
teachers, went on a field trip to the local racetrack (Arlington Park) 
to learn about thoroughbred horses and the supporting industry, but 
mostly to see the horses.

 
When it was time to take the children to the bathroom it was decided 
that the girls would go with one teacher and the boys would go with the 
other.

 
The teacher assigned to the boys was waiting outside the men's room 
when one of the boys came out and told her that none of them could 
reach the urinal.

 
Having no choice, she went inside, helped the boys with their pants, 
and began hoisting the little boys up one by one, holding onto their 
"wee wees" to direct the flow away from their clothes.

 
As she lifted one, she couldn't help but notice that he was unusually 
well endowed.

 
Trying not to show that she was staring, the teacher said, "You must be 
in the 5th grade."

 
"No, ma'am," he replied. "I'm the jockey riding Silver Arrow in the 
seventh.


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Blondes' bashing

2005-08-01 Thread Tamara P Duvall
Another one which seems to ring faint bells of memory... So, I'm 
compromising and  forwarding only the ones I don't remember, or find 
particularly funny. The last one is my favourite 


Yours, ex-blonde


From: R.P.


Did you hear about the two blondes that froze to death in a
drive-in movie? They went to see "Closed for the  Winter."

Did you hear about the near-tragedy at the mall?
There was a power outage  and twelve blondes were stuck on the
escalators for over four  hours.

A blonde went to an eye doctor to have her eyes checked for glasses.The 
 doctor directed her to read various letters with the left eye  while 
covering the right eye.


The blonde was so mixed up  on which eye was which that the eye doctor, 
in disgust, took a paper lunch bag, cut a hole to see through, covered 
up the appropriate eye and  asked her to read the letters. As he did 
so, he noticed the blonde had  tears streaming down her face. "Look," 
said the doctor,"there's no need  to get emotional about getting 
glasses." "I know," agreed the blonde,  "But I kind  of had my heart 
set on

wire frames."

A  blonde was shopping at a Target Store and came across a silver 
thermos.
She was quite fascinated by it.  She picked it up and brought it over 
to the clerk

to ask what it was.
The clerk said, "Why, that's a thermos.it keeps hot things hot and 
cold things cold." "Wow, said the blonde, "that's amazing... I'm going 
to buy it !"


So she bought the thermos and took it to work the next day.
Her boss saw it on  her desk. "What's that,' he asked?
"Why, that's a thermos.it keeps  hot things hot and cold
things cold," she replied.
Her boss inquired, "What do you have in it?"
The blonde replied, "Two Popsicles and some coffee."

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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace-chat] Stocking runs: was Adhesives & Blue Vanishing Pen Inks

2005-08-01 Thread Joy Beeson
At 10:38 AM 8/1/05 +0100, Jane Partridge wrote:

> Fraycheck always used to remind me of the stuff that you could get in
> the 1970s to stop ladders in tights - and I think that had been around
> for a while. Of course, in the days before coloured tights, it wouldn't
> have mattered if it turned slightly brown.

The glue wouldn't have *time* to turn slightly brown.  
I had to have rather low grooming standards on Friday 
to get a week's wear out of a pair of hose.  Pantyhose 
(tights) were even more evanescent, because you couldn't 
switch legs to put the picked places where they didn't show 
as much -- and it wasn't practical to wear the better stocking 
from each of two pairs.  And Pantyhose didn't fit as well as 
stockings, which put more strain on them.

Stopping runs with glue dates all the way back to silk stockings.  
In my grandmother's sewing basket, I found a repair kit that had 
been given out as an advertisement for silk stockings.  It looks 
like a matchbook, and the run-stop sticks look like paper matches 
with glue instead of fire-starter.  The label says that the glue is 
guaranteed to wash out, and a needle and fine silk thread are 
supplied for darning the run when you get home.  

The brand name of the stockings was "Real Silk", so I presume 
that art silk (rayon) had already been invented when the kit was 
made.

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west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
where the thermometer is creeping up, 
but Weather Underground says we might get some rain on Thursday.

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