LI News from all over
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SQUALL LINE: California's coast is being hit hard by storms blamed on the "El Nino" ocean current. Locals can hardly hear a weather report without being told El Nino is at work. The phone rings a lot at Al Nino's house. Nino, who is listed in the telephone directory, says people call at all hours. "It's always something like, 'Why are you doing this?'," Nino says. While the retired Navy man doesn't enjoy being awakened in the middle of the night, "I usually joke around with them a bit," he says, telling callers he controls the weather because "I didn't really have nothing else to do." (AP) ...There are no dumb questions, just dumb people asking questions. HELP WANTED: Lauren and Ashton Mills know their mother is dying of cancer. The 10-year-old twins from Oxford, England, not wanting to be placed with a random foster family when the time comes, have advertised for a new family in the local newspaper. "Kids and dog for hire," the ad in the "Situations Vacant" category read. "Life term contract." However, the girls aren't interested in pity. "Sad gits need not apply," the ad warns. Thousands of people have responded. (Reuters) ...If they're anything like the typical people who reply to singles ads, don't bother, kids! WHEN YOU'RE FORCED TO SEND THE VERY BEST: York, Pa., Common Pleas Court Judge Sheryl A. Dorney wants to be sure that Leroy Howard Murray Jr. thinks about his crime now and then. Murray, who pleaded guilty to stealing a car stereo, was ordered to send the judge a birthday card each August 21during his 23 month probation, as well as pay restitution to the victim. (AP) ...Your honor, here's your birthday greeting / Better by mail than face-to-face meeting / There is no gift, just this two-bit card / I'm only sending it to avoid time that's hard. CENSUS: Doctors in Mexico caused an international news flurry when they announced recently that a woman was pregnant with nine babies. Later, the publicity fury lessened when they said no, it was seven. Cristina Hernandez has now given birth -- to six babies, all in good health. (Reuters) ...In the U.S., most doctors can accurately count up to 10 -- 20 if they take their shoes off. TINY BUBBLES: The Kloster brewery in Neuzelle, Germany, has introduced beer concentrate specifically for bathing. Four three-quart bottles of concentrate, at $22 each, when mixed with water, fill a 32-gallon tub. The biggest difference between the bath beer and the regular variety is the yeast has been left in, which is "soothing to the skin" and a good treatment for eczema, the brewer claims. And, "You can bathe in it, or drink it," he said. "Whoever wants to can do both." (AP) ...Best of all, it makes the bath drown-proof: the deeper you go, the higher you get. YES, DEAR: If you want your marriage to be successful, forget trendy communication methods like "active listening", says John Gottman of the University of Washington. Psychologist Gottman and his team studied 130 newlyweds and compared them with long-married couples to see how they handled disagreements. "We found that only those newlywed men who are accepting of influence from their wives are winding up in happy, stable marriages," Gottman said. (Reuters) ...While their research results didn't support this conclusion, they were afraid not to write what their wives told them to. MINUTEMAN: Senator Edgardo Angara, running for vice president of the Philippines, was out shaking hands with voters to drum up support in the upcoming elections. But when Angara thrust his arms into the crowd, one of the voters pulled his watch off his wrist and ran. (AFP) ...Turnabout is fair play. EXPANDING MARKET: London International Group has announced a joint venture with China to provide condoms to the world's most populous country. China already produces 1.2 billion condoms per year, but that's only enough output to provide one to each citizen per year. However, a spokeswoman said, flavored condoms, which are popular in Asia, are not part of the deal, even though "mint condoms go down well in Southeast Asia." (Reuters) ..."Go down" being a technical term in that business. POT SHOT: When Verline Stiffic was asked to come to the office of Brinkley Middle School in Jackson, Miss., because her 15-year-old son was caught with marijuana on campus, she was apparently very unhappy. "She went into the school and started talking to her son," a police spokesman said. "Apparently, the conversation didn't go very well so she pulled out a gun and shot at him." She missed, and has been arrested. (AP) ...He wouldn't believe her when she said using drugs could kill him. THE OTHER BERKLEY: Police in Berkley, Mich., say that during lunch, "dozens" of students would walk to a house near their school to smoke marijuana and buy pot from two teenaged boys that lived there. After the raid, police talked to the boys' mother, who was apparently unconcerned with the
LI Butterbox Babies
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was on the news last night, has anyone heard of this before? Sue With his wife of 29 years, Don Davis has two grown sons and a house full of hobbies, said CBS 2 News' Drew Griffin. But this Southern Californian is now finding out that his very beginning was a far stretch from the very normal life he lives now. "I was the only child. I was spoiled," Davis told CBS 2 News. Though he laughs about it, he actually survived what thousands of other babies didn't. "Here I am 52 years old and just finding out about this stuff," Davis said. "It's all been in the last three weeks and it's very exciting." But what Davis calls exciting has now become one of Canada's worst secrets. All that's left of the Ideal Maternity Home where Davis was born is a picture. The Canadian building has long since burned down, but was once where many unwed mothers came to give birth in the 1930's and 1940's, reported Griffin. Babies born there would never know their real mothers. There were hundreds of them -- maybe thousands, said Griffin. And the owners, Lila and William Young, would keep the children only long enough to sell them. The couple would get between $1,000 and $10,000 for each child -- a small fortune for the time. The real mother would be told her child had died. The truth was they were very alive, living in crates and butter boxes from a nearby dairy, said Griffin. They were waiting to be adopted by rich, older couples from the United States. Adoptive parents walked between rows of cribs -- girls on one side, boys on the other -- and chose their children like picking apples at a supermarket, said Griffin. Babies not adopted due to sickness, mixed races or deformation were allowed to starve to death on a diet of molasses and water, said Griffin. Some were buried in mass graves, other were simply tossed in the ocean. "By coming from this place, you survived where others died," Davis told CBS 2 News. "I could be buried in a box somplace in Nova Scotia." Don Davis never knew any of this, and never would have without his son and the Internet. He knew he was adopted, was a Canadian and came from Nova Scotia. But he just never asked anything else about his parents. "I guess it's because I never had the need," Davis said. Don Davis is now intrigued. His mother died many years ago, and his father passed away last year at age 93. Before his death, Louis Davis told his son he felt more responsible for taking care of him than he would have with a natural son. That comment made Davis wonder if his father knew what was really happening at the Ideal Maternity Home, and sent him on a mission to find the truth. Davis' son heard of the butterbox mystery at a dinner last month. They then found a page on the Internet devoted to finding Butterbox Baby survivors, said Griffin. While the records of who were born in the Ideal Maternity Home were destroyed when the building burned down, the records of a guest house across the street remained intact. On May 21, 1946, a couple without any children was registered as guests there. They signed in as Mr. and Mrs. Lewis Davis. Now Davis' only lead is an immigration number on his naturalization papers. However, that number his biological mother was given at the time of his birth. Somewhere in Canada, the number may give him the name of the woman who came to the maternity home and gave birth on May 21, 1946. "She might not even know I lived," Davis told CBS 2 News. "She might have felt I was stillborn never knew that I grew up and had grandchildren. That's the real mystery to me." Davis said if he finds out his mother is still alive, he will try to meet her. Dozens of other former-Butterbox Babies have been reunited with their real mothers, and have been communicating with a network of other survivors on the Internet. Davis said he wants to tell his mother her son is still alive and enjoying a long and fruitful life. CBS 2 News will let you know if he finds her. "The Ideal Maternity Home: The Story Of The Ideal Maternity Home" The Story Of The Ideal Maternity Home Lila Gladys Young was daughter of Salem and Bessie Coolen. The family was of strong Seventh-day Adventists faith. Lila became a teacher, after finishing school, then taught school in Fox Point, Nova Scotia. In 1925, at the age of 26, she met William Peach Young (b. 11 Jan 1898), and they were married in 1925. William was an unordained Seventh-day Adventist minister from Memramcook, New Brunswick . He graduated from the Medical Evangelists College in 1923. He was a self-designated medical missionary, caring for the sick and spreading the gospel along the South Shore. They moved to Chicago, and in December 1927, William graduated from the National College of Chiropractic. The same year, Lila graduated from the National School of Obstetrics and Midwifery. They returned to Nova Scotia and in February 1928 opened "The Life and
LI OT: What is the meaning of these?
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kinky, sane hen art Sneaky 'n' a thinker Kinky 'n' sane heart Any snake thinker Eh! kinky ants near. Think sneaky near Skinny hen karate Thin rank Yankees Keynesian tyrannise Give up??? Scroll down for the answer What those are, are words all made out of my name! LOL If you want to have some fun go to this link and try your own name :) It's kind of fun. http://www.genius2000.com/anagram.html -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Budzyn: Complete update Monday March 9
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Today, defense attorneys for Walter Budzyn ended their case by focusing on discrediting the testimony of prior state witness Teresa Pace. The defense has continued to try to undermine Pace's credibility by showing that investigators may have given her preferential treatment in trying to build their case against Budzyn -- and may have influenced her testimony by giving her an usually high amount of "witness fees" that totaled hundreds of dollars. Two former police officers in the homicide division at the time of the investigation into the Malice Green case were brought to the stand to answer questions about alleged police attempts to destroy copies of a statement given by Pace that would have damaged the state's case against Budzyn. Vernon Humes, a former sergeant in Detroit homicide, refused to admit under oath that he had had a conversation with investigators about destroying Pace's statement. Humes admitted that he was asked by his supervisor to see that several prosecution witnesses with outstanding arrest warrants (including Ralph Fletcher, Teresa Pace and Robert Knox) had their trials adjourned. However, he would not admit that the judge knew these were prosecution witnesses in a pending trial, or that they received any special treatment. Stanyar then questioned Humes about an alleged meeting between Pace and Humes's supervisors after another officer had taken her first statement in early November of 1992. Humes was evasive, saying that he was not present if the meeting took place. Humes did admit that his supervisors later asked him to take a second statement from Pace but vigorously denied that they asked him to destroy Pace's first statement. During cross-examination, Humes said that everyone involved with the investigation was aware Pace made the first statement. He reiterated his claim that Pace did not receive any special treatment for testifying for the prosecution. Stanyar's redirect focused on conflicting statements between Pace's first and second statements. Humes admitted that the first statement was more favorable to Budzyn. He also denied that he had anything to hide, even though he did not sign the second statement. In a direct contradiction of Humes's testimony, former officer and Humes colleague Daniel Maynard said that there was discussion about discarding Pace's statement. "He [Humes] said that they wanted him to take a second statement from Miss Pace, 'Redbone,'" Maynard said. "Then he said, 'They want me to get rid of the first statement.' I said, 'Vern, I'm not so sure that's a good idea.'" (In the end, the Pace's statement was not destroyed.) During his cross examination, Maynard acknowledged that it is not particularly uncommon for police to get a follow-up statement from a witness, particularly if there is a point of confusion. But the witness ended his testimony on a strong point for the defense, telling defense attorney Carole Stanyar on redirect that he believed police and prosecutors had targeted Walter Budzyn and Larry Nevers in the days following the death of Malice Green. When asked why he did not approach his superiors with this attempted tampering with the investigation, Maynard said, "There was a pervasive mood at the time to get these guys (Budzyn and former partner Larry Nevers) no matter what...I told them, 'Listen, we can't do this...this is wrong'" Jurors also were shown two recreations of the alleged actions of Budzyn on the night in question. On Monday morning, prosecutors surprised the defense by having Malice Green's 1984 Topaz towed to the courthouse, and announcing that they intended to reenact Green's beating within the car. The defense strenuously objected. However, after Judge Jackson indicated that he would allow the demonstration, defense attorneys decided to include it within their case. So jurors were escorted outside and allowed to walk about the car while two different scenarios were played out. The first scenario, staged by prosecutors, depicted "Budzyn" straddling "Green" and beating him on the head with his flashlight. The second, staged by the defense, put two different players in the same position -- but this time, the flashlight wielded by "Budzyn" kept banging into the Topaz's ceiling or windshield. Jurors were not addressed during the demonstrations, merely allowed to observe the scene. Ultimately, the entire endeavor may have been for naught. Judge Jackson throughout the trial has allowed jurors to send him notes on questions that they would like to have answered. Following today's demonstration, one juror wrote, "Was the person swinging the flashlight supposed to be Budzyn or Nevers?" It is unclear whether the defense succeeded in undermining Teresa Pace's credibility, especially since witnesses Humes and Maynard contradicted each other. The defense for Budzyn rested its case at the end of the day. Court will reopen Wednesday when a rebuttal case by the
LI Re: Mania
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well Mania likes to play games, she loves to climb trees, and of course it's hard to get her down once she is in one since she wraps it, so we'll let her just get to the tree then drag her away LOL, it's a little game we all play :) Yea I'm a softy for animals :) I hate seeing them hurt or mistreated. But I am limited I would never own a "hot" snake (poisonous) I think those people are crazy! LOL Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Kathy: What you just said kinda reminds me of our friend Hoss. BG Big man, even bigger heart. :) But still, I certainly wouldn't want to get on the bad side or even be there on a "bad hair day" with Mania. :) What do you do if she decides that she wants to do something and you don't want her to? If it were me anything she wanted to do would be perfectly alright with me. Sue -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Disparity in Infant Mortality Rates
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Thank you a hundred times. This article is definitely one for me to look at. I am going to the library today or tomorrow (the public one) and will get it if they carry Life. The twins you are talking about I think are part of the study carried on by the researcher in Mpls, MN. He is at the U of M, can't think of his name, but he has been studying twins for years now, especially separated twins at birth. But, like you, I do agree with the fact that their adoptive environments would be similar in some ways--poor people do not adopt children usually, so similar in socioeconomic status would play a role I would think. Also, babies in those days were matched to adoptive parents much more than today. But I definitely will get the issue of Life. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...the only reason I could put it into two sentences was because I read your excellent synopsis. :) BTW, the current issue of Life magazine has an excellent article about nature and nurture. They tend to side with nature as being the dominant force with nurture playing a minor role. However, I think that the more extreme nurture and environment become the more of a role they play in shaping the total person. The article makes the observation that we are the only animals on earth that can overrule our genes. We do it all the time. Another interesting tidbit. " In 1979 a steelworker named Jim Lewis and a clerical worker named Jim Springer met. Identical twins separated five weeks after birth, they were raised by families 80 miles apart in Ohio. Reunited 39 years later, they would have strained the credulity of the editors of Ripley's Believer It or Not. Not only did both have dark hair, stand six feet tall and weigh 180 pounds, but they sopke with the same inflections, moved with the same gait and made the same gestures. Both loved stock car racing and hated baseball. Both married women named Linda, divorced them and married women named Betty. Both drove Chevrolets, drank Miller Lite, chain-smoked Salems and vacationed on the same half mile stretch of Florida beach. Both had elevated blood pressure, severe migraines and had undergone vasectomies. Both bit their nails. Their heart rates, brain waves and IQ's were nearly identical. Their scores on personality tests were as close as if one person had taken the same test twice." This is amazing although I did note that some of the traits could be explained by environmental factors as opposed to genetics. It's the April, 1998 issue if you'd like to check it out. Great article. Bill On Fri, 06 Mar 1998 16:13:31 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Darn it, Bill You did it again. You put into two sentences what I was trying to say. Will I ever learn?? VBG jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, How about this one. Genetics is everything that is internal to the organism. Environment is everything that is external to the organism. We experience some environmental effects even before we are born. Hence, the old saying about one's mother being frightened by something when she was pregnant. Bill On Fri, 06 Mar 1998 06:14:30 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L Thanks for the quick reply. You are so right, I should specify what I am looking for, thanks for the reminder. I guess by environment I am including social environment (interactions, socialization, culture, etc.) and the physical environment. Genetics would not, per se, be included in this definition. By physical environment, I probably would be more interested in the environment we have created, rather than the natural physical environment (hate the word, man-made environment--grin). Maybe a few examples would help. Social environment--is there a cultural parental practice (placing babies on their tummies as once was thought to be the best) that might contribute to the disparity in infant mortality rates?? The discussion we had on infants sleeping with the mother is another example of cultural parental practices. Physical environment: the lead poisoning that Doc sent. Another one might be the occupation of the parent in regard to working in a pollution risk occupation--"mad as a hatter" comes to mind--that may affect the child during the prenatal period. This may be off the track on legal issues, but then again, perhaps, not as when these factors are factually supported we often see laws and regulations passed to reduce the risk. X-rays is a good example of this, as well as the selling of lead-based paint. Am off to surf the Net for stuff on
Re: LI Re: Disparity in Infant Mortality Rates
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I wasn't aware that they sometimes used 2 years and under. I knew about the 1 year cutoff and the 28 day cutoff for neonatal deaths, but this is new to me. Will have to make sure I check the data really carefully when comparing to make sure of the cutoffs are the same. Thanks for pointing out another problem with statistics. Oh those darn statistics. : ) jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: It would be a child 12 months old or less, or sometimes in certain studies two years old or less. Sue Hi Jackie, Interesting research you've got ahead of you. My only comment about the lead paint factor was wondering at what age a child's death is considered an "infant mortality". This would have a big bearing on studying the causes of infant mortality, I would think. Good luck with your search for information. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Missed the tape with Greta. But isn't McDougal the witness that had a lot of baggage besides the "copping" of a plea to reduce his sentence?? It is ironic that his death did occur when it did--just goes to show you why some people believe so strongly in conspiracy theories and how there is always some truth that gets exaggerated. But, I didn't hear as much about this event, all I kept getting on tv was the discussion of the apology letter to the President by the journalist who broke the news about Paula Jones. Of course, he was paid off by the w.h. was a familar refrain. BTW, I just heard a quote yesterday that really pointed out the use of semantics to mask the reality. The person said that Clinton had lied when he told the public that the Republican Congress was trying to cut social security. He said that was not true, they were merely proposing a lowering of the trajectory. Hmm, what the h## is that I thought. Well, it just meant that the cost of living raises would not equal the raise in the cost of living, so someone asked him if that didn't mean a cut in monies as those on SS would receive less in "real" money that before. He said no "just a lowering in the trajectory." My head was spinning by that time. Seems more of that "looks like a duck" stuff. I think George Carlin was right when he talked about our language getting soft, IOW, it softened the harsh reality of what was really occurring. I think he called he referred to the poor as economically disadvantaged or something like that. George is one of the best social critics in the comedy field, I think. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...I thought death bed statements were treated as the gospel truth. :) I agree with everything that Mac said about McDougal. He wouldn't have been a very effective witness for Starr. But he MAY have turned over some information that could cause Clinton some grief. I have a lot more respect for McDougal now after seeing a tape on Burden of Proof where he tells Greta to go to Hell. :) Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:30:36 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck Bill I figured that would be the topic of discussion already. I'm sure that his deathbed confession would be withheld in the courts, don't you G. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Rumor has it that on his deathbed he whispered "Bill and Hillary are innocent." :) I wonder how long it will take for us to read on the Internet how the Clintons killed McDougal to keep him quiet. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 05:56:30 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Mac I saw the news flash, but wondered how that will affect the independent counselor's case. Can they use anything he said to Starr and his staff?? jackief moonshine wrote: moonshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Evenin', Just heard JM died today of a heart attack in Ft.Worth, Texas. ...Mac Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Microsoft hearings
Leonard Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Dr. L.D. I've been following this for a while and find it very interesting. Hope they can finally cut Gates down to size on a couple of things. This Internet explorer he's trying to jam down everyone's throat is a peice of crap. Maybe he'll wake up soon. Len At 05:30 PM 3/3/1998 -0800, you wrote: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear News.Com Dispatch Reader: The tech world doesn't get more dramatic than this. Today on Capitol Hill, Sen. Orrin Hatch grilled Bill Gates over whether Microsoft is a monopoly subject to antitrust laws. As industry rivals Scott McNealy and Jim Barksdale looked on, Gates fought back against the charges that have dogged his company since the start of the Justice Department's investigation. NEWS.COM's special coverage from Washington brings you the full story, including comments by McNealy and Barksdale, as well as live feeds from CNET Radio. http://www.news.com/SpecialFeatures/0%2C5%2C19637%2C00.html?nd Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-10 05:45:35 EST, you write: But isn't McDougal the witness that had a lot of baggage besides the "copping" of a plea to reduce his sentence?? It is ironic that his death did occur when it did--just goes to show you why some people believe so strongly in conspiracy theories and how there is always some truth that gets exaggerated. And now, with the news that he was in solitary confinement at the time, the waves are definitely getting higher. Official explanation is he refused to give a urine sample for a drug test -- his attorneys say that because of his medications he found it hard or impossible to produce a sample on demand. The plot thickens. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Disparity in Infant Mortality Rates
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-10 06:43:03 EST, you write: For demographers, neonatal death occurs within the first 28 days and infant mortality within a year, I believe. I would imagine the medical profession uses the same cut-offs. So, I wonder if there would be many lead-based paint fatalities, I wouldn't think so. There may be more than you'd think. African American children, particularly those of west African extraction, tend to walk at younger ages than do caucasian children and are thus better able to get to those crumbling windowsills to nibble. Most of the small children around here are walking quite well by 9 months of age. I don;t know the incidence of lead paint fatalities in general, though. I do know it leads to lots of illness, failure to thrive, learning problems, things like that. I wonder about the asbestos problem too. In the inner city we still have schools with asbestos-wrapped pipes. Yeah, I know, that's an outrage. But so much is an outrage in the city that one just says "Oh, well, it's one more." Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Sleep apnea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Bob, Wow, that's a scary situation. I know one person who has to sleep hooked up to monitors so that an alarm goes off if he stops breathing. It would make a person afraid to even go to sleep, IMO. Too bad they can't find some way to treat it. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:40:44 -0800 Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi bill my brother has it,in fact his dr has sent him home with a mask type deal that he is to wear at nite when he sleeps.it forses oxigon in through the mouth.but he never uses it.his wife has woke up several times to find him not breathing.he said he cant get to sleep with it on. bob,wa William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I was wondering about that. Do you happen to know the percentage rate of it's occurrence in adults? Is it more often found in men than women? I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Nanny Case - A British Perspective
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, The prosecution appealed to the court to reinstate the murder conviction and send Woodward back to jail. Their claim is that the judge abused his authority by changing the verdict and sentencing her to time served. The defense is asking for the verdict to be overturned and is claiming the evidence did not prove that Woodward even killed the baby. They also claim the prosecution hid the evidence that there was a skull fracture found in the autopsy of the baby. If the verdict is overturned and a new trial is conducted they will ask that the body be exhumed for further tests. I think the court has 120 days to make a decision. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:43:06 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Do you or anyone else know how it is going? Kathy?? Sue HI Alex, Nice to see you again! Thanks for the information. I guess the appeals hearing starts today. What is the current sentiment/opinion in England about the appeals? Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:36:03 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-09 12:07:28 EST, you write: Hi Jackie, Rumor has it that on his deathbed he whispered "Bill and Hillary are innocent." :) I wonder how long it will take for us to read on the Internet how the Clintons killed McDougal to keep him quiet. Bill You're late, Bill. That's out there already -- along with its opposite, that Starr did it because he wouldn't say what he (Starr) wanted him to say. Nothing is ever easy, is it? Doc HI Doc, Stupid people are so predictable, aren't they? VBG Bill PS: DO NOT reply that you knew I was going to say that. :) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Sleep apnea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Bill, it probably was a one time thing -- the kind of panic you can get when you dream about being chased and being unable to run, or whatever. The dream about being faced with an exam for which you are not prepared seems to be universal, and not just among students. But -- if it happens again, I'd say ask your MD just to be on the safe side. Doc Hi Doc, Yeah, if it happened more than once I'd be sure to at least mention it to the doctor. It's funny that I even remember the dream. Usually I don't. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Flying Saucers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, He's probably referring to the large numbers of planets like earth that have all the physical parameters that we recognize as being essential to supporting some form of life. Of course, even this understates the probability because that only covers life forms as WE know them. IMO, it is the almost inconceivable size of the universe that makes it almost a certainty that other life forms do exist. And it is the same inconceivable size that makes me think that none of these life forms have likely been anywhere near our planet. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:59:10 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: My husband is into the scientific end of all of this and he believes that there is "life" out there somewhere. Perhaps not *people* kind of life, but life nevertheless. He also tried to explain to me yesterday something about the sun and the orbit of the earth, etc and how it would relate to all of this. I have to say he lost me on it all. :( I do believe though that if an alien being did come here we would probably all freak out and beat him/her up. We are certainly not that civilized when it comes to things that we don't understand, or people for that matter, that are a little different. :( Sue Hi Sue, IMO, if they have the technology to travel across so great a distance then they will be far superior to us in all areas. So we would certainly pose not threat to them. Now, consider what WE would do if we encountered a world with life forms that are far inferior to us. Would we simply observe and leave them alone? I dont' think we would. IMO, we WILL have a major contact some time in the future. And it will be with a civilization that has a space vehicle as its world and will carry beings that have evolved on this space vehicle over an inredibly long period of time. After all, we could consider our own world a space vehicle that we do not have control over and that travels in an elliptical orbit around the sun. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Cheap Shot Time - Thomas Sowell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:40:33 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: On the Sunday morning news shows, there was a lot of talk about the Republican party saying enough is enough, and for Starr to take what he has and do something with it, or get off it. I think it is coming to a dead end also. The public isn't really interested in it anymore, from what I understand. There was a news guy on the Today show this morning who said that it really isn't going to make that much difference about McDougal dying. They wouldn't have been able to use him as a witness anyway because his credibility was shot. He had given too many variations to his story, and he was a convicted felon. But that the materials and witnesses that he led them to could be and would be used. It's sad about him dying, but as far as Whitewater goes, I guess it really isn't going to matter one way or the other. A side note to this is that Susan McDougal is getting out of jail today, but of course is on her way to prison for the bank deal. Out of curiosity, just how long can a person be kept in jail on contempt charges, normally. Is there any end to the time. Sue Hi Sue, I'm not sure if the sentences for contempt are the same in each state. Probably not. But I think Susan McDougal spent 18 months in jail on the comtempt charge. Her lawyers are trying to get some consideration for reducing her two year sentence on the fraud conviction. I also read that she might face more charges in the future relating to Whitewater. If Starr decides to put more heat on her he probably will be able to do so. I think it's a shame that McDougal died at such an young age. (57) His personal physician said that in spite of his medical problems he should have had a life expectancy of 77 instead of 57. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:43:10 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Missed the tape with Greta. But isn't McDougal the witness that had a lot of baggage besides the "copping" of a plea to reduce his sentence?? It is ironic that his death did occur when it did--just goes to show you why some people believe so strongly in conspiracy theories and how there is always some truth that gets exaggerated. But, I didn't hear as much about this event, all I kept getting on tv was the discussion of the apology letter to the President by the journalist who broke the news about Paula Jones. Of course, he was paid off by the w.h. was a familar refrain. BTW, I just heard a quote yesterday that really pointed out the use of semantics to mask the reality. The person said that Clinton had lied when he told the public that the Republican Congress was trying to cut social security. He said that was not true, they were merely proposing a lowering of the trajectory. Hmm, what the h## is that I thought. Well, it just meant that the cost of living raises would not equal the raise in the cost of living, so someone asked him if that didn't mean a cut in monies as those on SS would receive less in "real" money that before. He said no "just a lowering in the trajectory." My head was spinning by that time. Seems more of that "looks like a duck" stuff. I think George Carlin was right when he talked about our language getting soft, IOW, it softened the harsh reality of what was really occurring. I think he called he referred to the poor as economically disadvantaged or something like that. George is one of the best social critics in the comedy field, I think. jackief Hi Jackie, One thing is for sure. You can take any fact and if it's pertinent to a political issue there will be spin doctors on both sides who will convert that fact into a fairy tale that supports their side of the issue. Yeah, McDougal had a lot of baggage, including lying about things during the course of the investigation. As with any other witness who lies, the question becomes what are they lying about and when are they telling the truth. Also he had a lot of emotional problems as well as his physical problems. And of course, he was going to receive benefits from Starr for his testimony. I think the biggest benefit of McDougal involves any documents he may have turned over to Starr as opposed to what he may have testified to. I'm amused at how quickly the right wing radical jump up to say the White House has paid off someone to say something when they are just as quick to defend anything said against Clinton as an honest person telling the truth. It is that type of transparency that tends to sway unbiased people to fall in on the side of the Clinton camp. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Sleep Apnea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, Thanks for the information. The only thing I noticed is that when I had my one and only episode (if it was really an episode and not part of the dream) I was sleeping on my back. I rarely sleep on my back. Maybe that's the reason. G Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Disparity in Infant Mortality Rates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, It's certainly probable that there would be strong correlation between lead poisoning potential and other environmental hazards that could cause infant mortality even if the infant is not able to get access to the lead contaminated paint. I would think that a lot of infant mortality can be traced to extremely poor sanitary conditions. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:21:38 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill For demographers, neonatal death occurs within the first 28 days and infant mortality within a year, I believe. I would imagine the medical profession uses the same cut-offs. So, I wonder if there would be many lead-based paint fatalities, I wouldn't think so. I have been on the internet to try and look up the town Sue mentions in regard to anencephalus, but no luck so far. One reason I would like to get information is that I have a lot of students majoring in nursing and other health related fields. I feel this information will be beneficial to them in the psychology, human development, course. I really appreciate everything that everyone on the list is posting. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Why we're so tired!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: WHY WE'RE SO TIRED For a couple years I've been blaming it on iron poor blood, lack of vitamins, dieting and a dozen other maladies. But now I found out the real reason. I'm tired because I'm overworked. The population of this country is 237 million. 104 million are retired. That leaves 133 million to do the work. There are 85 million in school, which leave 48 million to do the work. Of this there are 29 million employed by the federal government. This leaves 19 million to do the work. Four million are in the Armed Forces, which leaves 15 million to do the work. Take from the total the 14,800,000 people who work for State and City Government and that leaves 200,000 to do the work. There are 188,000 in hospitals, so that leaves 12,000 to do the work. Now, there are 11,998 people in Prisons. That leaves just two people to do the work. You and me. And you're sitting there reading this e-mail! _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: EMF/Jackie
"Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie - I am so pleased that you are willing to consider this. I agree with what you are posting. Definitely 'energy' is working here, maybe Doc or another lister knows. BTW you have the open and inquiring mind of a true researcher and I think you will be quite a contributor. Ride that null hyothesis! Don't mean to pontificate or sound like an expert, I'm sure from the posts that others feel the same. Go for it! And let us know! Meanwhile I'll keep an eye open (out from under my magnet hat!) Just kidding, don't have a hat.:) LDMF. Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Linda This makes sense to me, somehow. Wouldn't that in some respects be similar to acupuncture?? In using certain metals in the needles wouldn't that do something with the ions in our bodies? Boy, you can tell I am less than informed about the physical side of a person. And, if magnetism can balance the organism to reduce pain, then the opposite should hold true--in an environment where the electromagnetic field is altered, shouldn't it create conditions in which pain occurs?? jackief Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff wrote: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings Jackie, I wonder if the following ties in. It is the flip side, but I think it might be related because what 'helps' can be the flip side of what 'hurts'. Currently on a medical topic list we are discussing the use of magnets to reduce pain. Seems that when they are placed on the body it increases the flow of blood to an area, that is it aids circulation. Now, there are different precursor states: might be trauma, might be inherent, even genetic wiring that brings on the pain - anyway it might not be so far afield from general discusssions of magnetism and organisms. C U Soon, :) LDMF. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Flying Saucers
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Could be. LOL Seriously he talks about universes, black holes, and other things with long names that I can't even begin to pronounce much less spell. Then just to confuse the issue with me he throws in these mathematical things which really throws me off. I had a hard time with algebra and here he goes with this quantum physics stuff. BG If it isn't a cc or mL, or something like that, it is beyond me. I do agree that there is more than likely life somewhere out there. But I honestly don't think that it has ever been here. But since I am going only by the fact that I have never seen any evidence to prove it, I wouldn't even bet my life on that. Sue HI Sue, He's probably referring to the large numbers of planets like earth that have all the physical parameters that we recognize as being essential to supporting some form of life. Of course, even this understates the probability because that only covers life forms as WE know them. IMO, it is the almost inconceivable size of the universe that makes it almost a certainty that other life forms do exist. And it is the same inconceivable size that makes me think that none of these life forms have likely been anywhere near our planet. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Nanny Case - A British Perspective
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Thanks. CBS had an interview with her last night, and the whole thing is suppose to be on Eye to Eye with Bryant Gumble. The little snip of it that they showed gave me the impression that she isn't too sure that she won't end up back in jail. She said that the best thing that can happen is that they leave it as it is and let her go home. I really feel for the parents if they have to exhume the baby and go through all of this again. But if justice is served I guess that they will be more than willing to do it. But it still has to be hell. I know it would be for me. Sue Hi Sue, The prosecution appealed to the court to reinstate the murder conviction and send Woodward back to jail. Their claim is that the judge abused his authority by changing the verdict and sentencing her to time served. The defense is asking for the verdict to be overturned and is claiming the evidence did not prove that Woodward even killed the baby. They also claim the prosecution hid the evidence that there was a skull fracture found in the autopsy of the baby. If the verdict is overturned and a new trial is conducted they will ask that the body be exhumed for further tests. I think the court has 120 days to make a decision. Bill Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Re: Sleep apnea
Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi bill he always seems to wake up but i guess it happens about once a week.some times when it happens he cant get back to sleep.if he would wear his mask there wouldnt be a problem,but tell him that.he said his doctor told him there is a large number of people suffering from this that dont even know it becuse when it happens they wake up and dont know anything happend.with my brother they put him in the hosp and watched him on camera for two nites. bob,wa William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Bob, Wow, that's a scary situation. I know one person who has to sleep hooked up to monitors so that an alarm goes off if he stops breathing. It would make a person afraid to even go to sleep, IMO. Too bad they can't find some way to treat it. Bill On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:40:44 -0800 Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robert Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi bill my brother has it,in fact his dr has sent him home with a mask type deal that he is to wear at nite when he sleeps.it forses oxigon in through the mouth.but he never uses it.his wife has woke up several times to find him not breathing.he said he cant get to sleep with it on. bob,wa William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I was wondering about that. Do you happen to know the percentage rate of it's occurrence in adults? Is it more often found in men than women? I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Nanny Case - A British Perspective
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-10 19:55:12 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, now that time has passed and she has remained under the cloud of suspicion and has had to stay in Massachussetts while the appeal was being prepared makes me feel that the best thing is to end it here, leave things as they were decided by the judge and let her go home. If I were a gambler, that's the outcome I'd bet on. (Me, I bet the favorite to show -- old "sure thing" kid here.) Seems the best of the available alternatives. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Jim McDougal
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: I'm amused at how quickly the right wing radical jump up to say the White House has paid off someone to say something when they are just as quick to defend anything said against Clinton as an honest person telling the truth. It is that type of transparency that tends to sway unbiased people to fall in on the side of the Clinton camp. Bill Hi Bill I really think that is why some get so angry when people try to remain objective and look at the whole picture. They just can't deal with people who are not willing to jump on one side or the other automatically. It reminds me of what a counselor once said about some men during the women's movement. The men in question knew how to deal with aggressive or passive women--but were at a loss when dealing with an assertive woman. Much the same I think--how do you deal with someone that is not reacting emotionally when you are in a political debate?? jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
