Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
On Thu, 11 May 2006, Luiz Americo wrote: Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: sqlite is good candidate too (multiplatform,single file,fast, only one dll/so required) Sorry, but no: - No external dependencies, please. - Specifically: sqlite is a horrible database for use in Pascal. Based in what you say that? Based on extensive tests which I did and which I published in a German magazine. In fact the TDataset descendant has better performance (see http://www.geocities.com/camara_luiz/sqlite4fpc/benchmarks.html) than sqldb (Mysql,Postgresql, firebird). This is so true that recently the sqldb internal data handling schema was changed borrowing some ideas from TCustomSqliteDataset. Of course, you are invited to try to replicate the benchmarks and/or post new benchmarks (with the sources) you did. It has nothing to do with TDataset. I did tests based on direct API calls. It also has some extra features like Master/Detail, Lookup,Locate, LocateNext, Auto Increment. Any way you can use sqlite using the plain interface (sqlite, sqlite3 units) that directly call the sqlite dll. Exactly how a C program does. So the problem is not the pascal language or implementation. This is what I did. And very slow for complex queries, in general. Again, post benchmarks/tests. See the German Toolbox issues 1,2 and 3 of this year. Notice that to keep code small the sqlite SQL optimizer only handles the common queries and let the corner cases to hand optimizations. I find SELECT COUNT(PU_ID) FROM PUPIL LEFT JOIN PUPILTRACK ON (PT_PUPIL_FK=PU_ID) WHERE (PT_DATE='2005-09-06') AND (PT_CODE='I') AND (PT_TIME='08:28:00'); A VERY simple query and the result is a factor 180 worse than Firebird or MySQL. Some timings; sqlite firebird Mysql 1 0:0:42.00 0:1:29.47 0:40.48 2 0:6:12.75 0:0:02.58 0:02.40 3 0:0:00.67 0:0:00.44 0:02.43 4 0:5:59.38 0:0:00.48 0:02.44 1. is the insert of 600.000 records. Here SQLIte is very fast. The rest are selects like the one above. I did more tests, all give comparable results: sqlite is very fast for simple stuff. And yes, I did all possible optimizations. Version 3 was used. I have a lot of experience with databases of all kinds, and I know what to test for. Finishing, sqlite is not for all uses neither mysql, postgres. See http://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html. Look, I know that SQLite is popular, but it's simply not suitable for enterprise-use nor for complex queries. Furthermore a database which says that 'we don't do typechecking' is completely on the wrong track, even more so in a Pascal environment. And this is the conclusion of my articles... Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On 12/05/06, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, On 5/11/06, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, odt files al. are open format. And as of 1 may 2006 it is now an official ISO 26300 approved format (as other format like PDF and HTML who are also ISO approved). Ok, Open Document is good, but it has some problems: 1 - We cannot just get dependent on Open Office. It´s a huge dependency, and won´t work on wince for example. 2 - Whatever the format is, I would like to be able to write my own viewer for it. It may be very hard to write a viewer for odt. For viewing HTML (or HTML extracted from a CHM or CHM-Like file) there is a lot of stuff ready. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho I think OpenOffice 2.x has some excellent ideas in there help system. I found a 110 page pdf document explaining the internal workings of the help system. [ http://documentation.openoffice.org/online_help/index.html ] There is even a Import/Export filter for OpenOffice to generate the help file format, so you can author your help in OpenOffice (and get spellcheck and formatting for free). I'm still busy reading the document, so ain't sure what exact format they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. I would suggest some of you read that PDF as well so we can extract all good ideas. Regards, - Graeme - -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. Micha _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Micha Nelissen wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. Micha Huh! So Berkeley DB is good but using sqlite (public domain) is forbidden ? Anyway it's still external tool. Regards Boguslaw _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On 12/05/06, Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. I do not know much of the Berkeley DB, except that GNU/Linux uses it a lot, so it can't be that bad. Also, I just stated what OOo uses. It is up to us to decide what is best for our help system. Regards, - Graeme - -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Help Framework proposal
I don't like the Help Component idea. I think adding methods to the TApplication is better. I am not sure if you are familiar with the Kylix Help system (more correctly a CLX help system as it works under Windows too). It uses a bunch of Interfaces (IHelpSystem, ICustomHelpViewer, IExtendedHelpViewer, etc...) to implement the help and works really well and it is very easy to extend with different help systems/viewers. Borland created two help viewers for Kylix. A Man Page viewer and a Hyper Help viewer. J.G.Software created a simple HTML Help viewer based on the QTextBrowser component. Kylix 1 HelpIntfs.pas = http://tinyurl.com/fesp8 J.G.Software HTML help viewer = http://www.helpscribble.com/linux.html BDN Article HTML help viewer = http://tinyurl.com/og8nj Regards, - Graeme - On 12/05/06, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We had some talks about file formats for the help system, but I´m still uncertain how the framework will actually work, so I gathered some information and ideas here. My idea is to develop a help system agnostic framework, so the software does the same calls to display help independently of the file type. The idea is quite simple. Just add some Delphi help methods to TApplication, like: function HelpContext(Context: Integer): Boolean; function HelpCommand(Command: Word; Data: Longint): Boolean; property HelpFile: string; function HelpJump(const JumpID: string): Boolean; The developer will use this functions (and only them) to access the underlying help engine. But only implement them as calls to a object set by a property, like: TApplication.HelpEngine: THelpEngine; This would be like a DataSet in the sence that on the startup of your application you set that property to the HelpEngine of your preference, be it CHM, CHM-like, sqlite, or whatever. So now people can develop their engines. One of the engines could be WinHelp, and that one would be compatible with Delphi =) The default could be empty help (nil), and engines are on their own units, so filesize is preserved =) Another option is not to have this on TApplication, but rather on a component you can drop on the form. Then you can link that to other components that are the help engines. I also have some doubts: * The Help context is a integer on Delphi. Is this good enougth? Or some help systems would we rather have a string for help context? Also contribute your own ideas for a framework =) Ah, and remember this is specifically targeted for apps created on Lazarus, not particularly for the IDE Help. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Bogusaw Brandys wrote: Micha Nelissen wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. Micha Huh! So Berkeley DB is good but using sqlite (public domain) is forbidden ? Anyway it's still external tool. No-one is suggesting to use Berkeley DB yet. Graeme is studying the format openoffice uses, that's all. It may wel be that Graeme decides it's too difficult to use... In the worst case, Berkeley DB is a documented file format, So you can write pascal code to read/write it, and other people can use the native API. The point is that we'd like a 100% OOP solution. Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Where is code completion function?
On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:35:19 -0400 Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/5/11, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right. It works only with code macros enabled. If you want to fix it: ide/codemacroprompt.pas ExecuteCodeTemplate Yep, I see in the code that the problem is not there. I feel the pattern is trimmed before it reaches this funciton. But i can't find where the function is called at all. The Windows find in file crap finds nothing. Find in files works here. Since this week you can press F1 to get help for this dialog. It's a wiki, so please extend it. Any pointer from where the code is actually called and where the patern is loaded? Use find in files to search for ExecuteCodeTemplate: uniteditor.pp (3026,3) There is also another problem: If I add the macro flag in a pattern $(EnableMakros), when I reload the patern in the patern editor, the macro flag is not showed any more... it is stripped (just as these functions are doing). So you have no choices to edit manually the .dci file to remove it. The bug was in the loading function: syneditautocomplete ParseCompletionList Fixed. Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:33:02PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I think the po2xml is just used to translate the program strings which appear in the docs (used to refer to button captions etc), not for the actual documentation text. Wrong. It is used for documentation writing too as you can see here, for the LinuxFromScratch manual: http://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg06863.html --- Hello, ok, this is my third try to get a mail sent to this list...: i got good news for all LFS translators. Today i commited the patch below to the KDE repository. This means for LFS translators: With upcoming versions of KDE (= 3.5.3) you can use the KDE i18n tools po2xml and xml2pot (from package kdesdk) again for translating the book. This was nearly impossible in the past because those tools extracted complete chapters and appendixes into a single, huge msgid. I hope this brings some translations back to the LFS community :) Bye, Thomas --- Changing 1 letter in the documentation text would completely kill your po2xml output, since it is based on textual search. That is easily managed by the gettext update utility like msgmerge. bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:33:02PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I think the po2xml is just used to translate the program strings which appear in the docs (used to refer to button captions etc), not for the actual documentation text. Wrong. It is used for documentation writing too as you can see here, for the LinuxFromScratch manual: http://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg06863.html In that case, I understand even less why they use it. In my opinion, the .po format is totally unsuitable for this kind of thing. Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Indeed, I think the idea would be a by-product just as a pdf in that case. A viewer would not be simple to do, but the format is simple. The file is actually a zip file with xml stuff files in it. Indeed, OOo's file are quite easy to hack. It's zipped up xml - the reason it was chosen by the ODF as their standard is exactly that, not only is it fully publicly document - it is a non-binary format, and it will always be possible to write another unzip+xml-parsing routine. I wouldn't depend on OOo for reading at all - I think depending on it for editing help files is a minor, if anything it is a feature rather than a bug as the writer is a very lovely interface for the task. Just think a moment about what this could do - the IDE can generate the class description as an OOo template - the programmer fires up OOo, opens the template and writes the complete doc, saves the odt and done. A bigger factor IMHO is that OOo has way too many features, if we don't use writer as our viewer then we need to code a viewer to display writer files and it will almost by default lose formatting because nobody here feels like cloning the entire OOo codebase (sorry - I don't contribute to java projects as a matter of principle :p ) A.J. -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International http://www.getopenlab.com | +27 82 726 5103 (South Africa) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On 12/05/06, Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: I think this is quite a elegant solution for application help and can even be applied to the LCL and FCL documentation which is currently stored in XML. Sure there are a lot of elegant solutions, but who is going to write it ? Let's be realistic here. For CHM we already have a decoder and viewer, I started with a prototype already... well more like putting some ideas to code. A good help framework in the LCL is also important. Felipe mentioned some ideas, and Mattias has implemented something already for Lazarus, so I need to look at that as well, so see how flexible it is. Can you used that for applications written with Lazarus, or was that for Lazarus alone. for the .jar way we need multiple decoders and translators AFAICS (jar, xhp, css, xslt, more?) still to be implemented. Again, if anyone wants * xhp is just XML and as for an example, LCL and FPC help already comes in xml format. * css can be added at a later stage, or a very basic style sheet could be added for a start. All of 5 minutes work. * xslt might take a bit longer, but looking at what fpdoc does to convert the XML to HTML (as it currently does) should give a good starting point. Also, I will be taking a look at what OOo did, and maybe just massage their Translation Style Sheet to fit our needs. * As for the HTML viewer component? Any suggestions? Do any support basic CSS? to write all this, nothing is stopping you, but CHM seems like a faster more productive route ATM, if the coder doesn't care anyway. Brings me back to the same old question everybody seems to avoid answering. May we use the CHM format - is it proprietary/patented by Microsoft? Regards, - Graeme - -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: to write all this, nothing is stopping you, but CHM seems like a faster more productive route ATM, if the coder doesn't care anyway. Brings me back to the same old question everybody seems to avoid answering. May we use the CHM format - is it proprietary/patented by Microsoft? Depends on where you are obviously :-). AFAIK, it can't be here in Europe. Besides, a file format is just a file format, there is no invention in a format, it's just a choice. Micha _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] SSE bug
Hi all, somebody can say something about http://www.freepascal.org/bugs/showrec.php3?ID=5073 BR. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:33:02PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I think the po2xml is just used to translate the program strings which appear in the docs (used to refer to button captions etc), not for the actual documentation text. Wrong. It is used for documentation writing too as you can see here, for the LinuxFromScratch manual: http://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg06863.html In that case, I understand even less why they use it. In my opinion, the .po format is totally unsuitable for this kind of thing. Sorry, I do not understand and I really want to see your point. Could you please tell me why you consider .po files not suitable for the job? I do not know of some other tool able to manage the update problem of a multilingual translation as the gettext tool. May be I'm wrong but I think that such a tool simply does not exist! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:33:02PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I think the po2xml is just used to translate the program strings which appear in the docs (used to refer to button captions etc), not for the actual documentation text. Wrong. It is used for documentation writing too as you can see here, for the LinuxFromScratch manual: http://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg06863.html In that case, I understand even less why they use it. In my opinion, the .po format is totally unsuitable for this kind of thing. Sorry, I do not understand and I really want to see your point. Could you please tell me why you consider .po files not suitable for the job? I do not know of some other tool able to manage the update problem of a multilingual translation as the gettext tool. May be I'm wrong but I think that such a tool simply does not exist! .po files are designed/meant for captions, short one-line descriptions to be displayed in a program, produced by gettext from sources. Gettext uses a very inefficient algorithm for translation: it searches in the .po (or .mo) file for the original text, and then returns the translated text. You can't get more inefficient than that. Conclusion: The .po format is not designed/meant for large pieces of continuous text. I agree with you that a good tool for translations does not exist. The question is whether such a tool should exist. A simple diff (with nice gui) in any text editor can help you in keeping your translation up to date just as much... There is no need to use a .po file format for this. How would you translate a document written in Latex, or Ms-Word or OpenOffice Writer? There are no good tools for this, and I don't believe it's possible to write such a tool other than some visual aid for detecting differences... For example: The fpdoc format is much more suitable for translation, because all pieces of text are identified with unique names. It would be much more easy to write a translator program for that. Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:01:39PM +0200, Micha Nelissen wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: to write all this, nothing is stopping you, but CHM seems like a faster more productive route ATM, if the coder doesn't care anyway. Brings me back to the same old question everybody seems to avoid answering. May we use the CHM format - is it proprietary/patented by Microsoft? Depends on where you are obviously :-). AFAIK, it can't be here in Europe. Now. Perhaps not forever. Besides, a file format is just a file format, there is no invention in a format, it's just a choice. Yes but M$ patented his xml file formats...ok again not in Europe but ...better prevent than cure! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
George Lober wrote: The code in /components/chmhelp looks like it's either GPL or LGPL. For code that would need to be used in target application, could these be changed to the Modified LGPL? Also the license headers refer to COPYING.LCL which I can't find anywhere ?? The chm viewer itself is GPL but all of the units it uses (chmbase, chmreader etc) are under the modified LGPL. In SVN the files say COPYING.modifiedLGPL now. There is a package you can use in your programs to control the help viewer, that package is subject to the modified LGPL so that your program can be any license Andrew _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Postgres connection question
How does one access the error messages from a postgres database when using the sqldb components (i.e. TPQConnection, TSQLTransaction and TSQLQuery)? _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: On Thu, 11 May 2006, Luiz Americo wrote: Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: sqlite is good candidate too (multiplatform,single file,fast, only one dll/so required) Sorry, but no: - No external dependencies, please. - Specifically: sqlite is a horrible database for use in Pascal. Based in what you say that? Based on extensive tests which I did and which I published in a German magazine. In fact the TDataset descendant has better performance (see http://www.geocities.com/camara_luiz/sqlite4fpc/benchmarks.html) than sqldb (Mysql,Postgresql, firebird). This is so true that recently the sqldb internal data handling schema was changed borrowing some ideas from TCustomSqliteDataset. Of course, you are invited to try to replicate the benchmarks and/or post new benchmarks (with the sources) you did. It has nothing to do with TDataset. I did tests based on direct API calls. It also has some extra features like Master/Detail, Lookup,Locate, LocateNext, Auto Increment. Any way you can use sqlite using the plain interface (sqlite, sqlite3 units) that directly call the sqlite dll. Exactly how a C program does. So the problem is not the pascal language or implementation. This is what I did. And very slow for complex queries, in general. Again, post benchmarks/tests. See the German Toolbox issues 1,2 and 3 of this year. Notice that to keep code small the sqlite SQL optimizer only handles the common queries and let the corner cases to hand optimizations. I find SELECT COUNT(PU_ID) FROM PUPIL LEFT JOIN PUPILTRACK ON (PT_PUPIL_FK=PU_ID) WHERE (PT_DATE='2005-09-06') AND (PT_CODE='I') AND (PT_TIME='08:28:00'); A VERY simple query and the result is a factor 180 worse than Firebird or MySQL. Some timings; sqlite firebird Mysql 1 0:0:42.00 0:1:29.47 0:40.48 2 0:6:12.75 0:0:02.58 0:02.40 3 0:0:00.67 0:0:00.44 0:02.43 4 0:5:59.38 0:0:00.48 0:02.44 1. is the insert of 600.000 records. Here SQLIte is very fast. The rest are selects like the one above. I did more tests, all give comparable results: sqlite is very fast for simple stuff. Your results are comparable from one made without index published in sqlite wiki, but when using index, according to the test, sqlite compares to the other. See: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SpeedComparison And yes, I did all possible optimizations. Version 3 was used. I have a lot of experience with databases of all kinds, and I know what to test for. Please post the database schema, no of records, indexes, so i can reproduce and publish in a site. As i said, sqlite requires some hand SQL optimizations. You can see here: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=PerformanceTuning http://web.utk.edu/~jplyon/sqlite/SQLite_optimization_FAQ.html If you're using Windows take read this http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=PerformanceTuningWindows. Specially the last topic. Finishing, sqlite is not for all uses neither mysql, postgres. See http://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html. Look, I know that SQLite is popular, but it's simply not suitable for enterprise-use nor for complex queries. Furthermore a database which says that 'we don't do typechecking' is completely on the wrong track, even more so in a Pascal environment. And this is the conclusion of my articles... As i said above Luiz _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Luiz Americo wrote: I did more tests, all give comparable results: sqlite is very fast for simple stuff. Your results are comparable from one made without index published in sqlite wiki, but when using index, according to the test, sqlite compares to the other. Obviously, I have created the same indexes in all 3 databases. See: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SpeedComparison And yes, I did all possible optimizations. Version 3 was used. I have a lot of experience with databases of all kinds, and I know what to test for. Please post the database schema, no of records, indexes, so i can reproduce and publish in a site. I'll send it in private if you want, but you don't have permission to publish it. (my contract with the journal's editor forbids that) As i said, sqlite requires some hand SQL optimizations. You can see here: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=PerformanceTuning http://web.utk.edu/~jplyon/sqlite/SQLite_optimization_FAQ.html If you're using Windows take read this It was all on Linux. Look, I appreciate the effort you are doing to promote sqlite, but as long as they don't do type checking, it's out for me. The speed issue is of secundary importance because at best you get similar results as the other 2 databases. Currently, I would order them as follows for use as _embedded_ databases, taking into consideration ease of use and speed: - Firebird is best: scores good in both areas. - Then SQLite (ease of use: very good. Speed: YMMV...) - Then MySQL (speed is very good, but ease of use: -infinity !) I still need to test Advantage Database Server and NexusDB (the former Turbopower's FlashFiler) Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Where is code completion function?
2006/5/12, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 11 May 2006 20:35:19 -0400 Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2006/5/11, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right. It works only with code macros enabled. If you want to fix it: ide/codemacroprompt.pas ExecuteCodeTemplate Yep, I see in the code that the problem is not there. I feel the pattern is trimmed before it reaches this funciton. But i can't find where the function is called at all. The Windows find in file crap finds nothing. Find in files works here. Since this week you can press F1 to get help for this dialog. It's a wiki, so please extend it. :) I was talking about the 'find in files' of microsoft file explorer. This is why I was not so polite with it. I didn't know the feature was in fpc. Any pointer from where the code is actually called and where the patern is loaded? Use find in files to search for ExecuteCodeTemplate: uniteditor.pp (3026,3) There is also another problem: If I add the macro flag in a pattern $(EnableMakros), when I reload the patern in the patern editor, the macro flag is not showed any more... it is stripped (just as these functions are doing). So you have no choices to edit manually the .dci file to remove it. The bug was in the loading function: syneditautocomplete ParseCompletionList Fixed. Well, I did not had the pleasure to fix it, but it was a nice playing arround in the code anyway. Thanks for the fix then. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On 5/11/06, Andrew Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh. :) Have a look in the components/chmhelp directory. In that directory is a program written entirely in pascal that uses the LCL to view chm files using the TurboPowerIpro HTML component and a package to integrate that program in the IDE. Are you trying to impress me? You did it. For creating chms a project was started in c on savannah: http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/hhm/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/hhm It currently can make a chm except it cannot write the special parts like the TOC and the Index which are mostly html files. Andrew _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
2006/5/12, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Indeed, I think the idea would be a by-product just as a pdf in that case. A viewer would not be simple to do, but the format is simple. The file is actually a zip file with xml stuff files in it. Indeed, OOo's file are quite easy to hack. It's zipped up xml - the reason it was chosen by the ODF as their standard is exactly that, not only is it fully publicly document - it is a non-binary format, and it will always be possible to write another unzip+xml-parsing routine. I wouldn't depend on OOo for reading at all - I think depending on it for editing help files is a minor, if anything it is a feature rather than a bug as the writer is a very lovely interface for the task. Just think a moment about what this could do - the IDE can generate the class description as an OOo template - the programmer fires up OOo, opens the template and writes the complete doc, saves the odt and done. Indeed; in another project we are planning to work with OOo document to produce reports. It is just too simple. I know there is a 'python' project for a odt file viewer. (http://visioo-writer.tuxfamily.org/EN/index.html) Maybe there are simple tricks to convert a document with xslt magic. I dont know. We could indeed write the doc in a odt compatible editor (like Writer) then we could use xslt stuff to export to other format if we want (like HTML). All these features are included in OOo 2. A bigger factor IMHO is that OOo has way too many features, if we don't use writer as our viewer then we need to code a viewer to display writer files and it will almost by default lose formatting because nobody here feels like cloning the entire OOo codebase (sorry - I don't contribute to java projects as a matter of principle :p ) A.J. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Help Framework proposal
On 5/12/06, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure if you are familiar with the Kylix Help system (more correctly a CLX help system as it works under Windows too). It uses a bunch of Interfaces (IHelpSystem, ICustomHelpViewer, IExtendedHelpViewer, etc...) to implement the help and works really well and it is very easy to extend with different help systems/viewers. Ok, this system is surely much better =) Now, should we be compatible with CLX system? If so, how do we procede without breaking copyright? That .pas file is probably in a unsuitable license for us, so it´s better not look in it too long. Another thing, does CLX has a help property on all controls to easely respond to F1 keypress? Would it be good for us to implement it? thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Where is code completion function?
On 5/12/06, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I was talking about the 'find in files' of microsoft file explorer. This is why I was not so polite with it. I didn't know the feature was in fpc. There is a Find in Files dialog on Lazarus IDE. You will find it very usefull =) -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: patch: encloseselectiondlg
Who is maintaining the dialog? 2006/5/11, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Patch generated in source directory: /lazarus/ide/ Description: Small patch for better keyboard working: - correct tab order - correct default/cancel buttons -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Code Explorer Improvements
The Object Inspector currently syncs with the form editor as one traverses the tree, but the Code Explorer needs some help with this one liner: procedure TCodeExplorerView.CodeTreeviewSelectionChanged(Sender: TObject); begin JumpToSelection; end; This makes it sync with the source editor, but what command is needed to make it sync with the object inspector? Thanks! -- Al _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Help Framework proposal
One more thing: Delphi uses a THelpType to choose which help system to
use, a number or a string to choose the topic. Is this useful to us? A
string could be transformed in a number and then we remove 2
properties. This looks like just backwords compatibility. But then we
could want to be compatible ...
THelpType indicates whether components invoke the help system using a
context ID or a keyword.
Unit
Classes
Delphi syntax:
type THelpType = (htKeyword, htContext);
C++ syntax:
enum THelpType {htKeyword, htContext};
Description
These are the possible values of the THelpType type:
Value Meaning
htKeyword Help topics are identified by a string. The HelpKeyword
property is used to identify help topics. This mechanism is available
for all help systems.
htContext Help topics are identified by a context ID. The HelpContext
property is used to identify help topics. This mechanism is not
available for all help systems, but is typically faster for those
systems that support it.
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[lazarus] filefind patch
some changes in lpk for filefind (lazarus/examples/codepageconverter/filefind) -- BARKO bye, ...s]-[it happens... filefind.diff.tar.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Re: [lazarus] Help Framework proposal
On 12/05/06, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, should we be compatible with CLX system? If so, how do we procede without breaking copyright? That .pas file is probably in a unsuitable license for us, so it´s better not look in it too long. We could use the principle of interfaces yes, but I don't think it needs to be compatible with CLX. Also the principle of what the HelpManager does is a common feature I have learned years ago with OOP and Design Patterns. I use such a design pattern in a lot of my code. Another thing, does CLX has a help property on all controls to easely respond to F1 keypress? Would it be good for us to implement it? Yes it does. I don't have Kylix installed on this computer, but I do remember it was the same as in VCL. You could select some or other combo box in the Object Inspector to select between Keyword or Index help. Then there was some property that you could populate with what ever value needs to be looked up in the help when F1 was pressed. eg: a help ID. Regards, Graeme -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Help Framework proposal
One more thing: Delphi uses a THelpType to choose which help system to use, a number or a string to choose the topic. Is this useful to us? A That's what I referred to in my previous post. Just couldn't remember what they called it! :-) Graeme. -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
It seems the thread about 'help' can go on forever and probably many had stopped reading all of it. This mail should define some tasks on the road to a help for LCL applications: 1. the LCL must be extended to recognize help queries (e.g. pressing F1) 1.1 The VCL handles winapi WM_HELP messages. I don't know if such a thing exists under any other widgetset, but the I'm sure that the TWMHelp.HelpInfo is quite winapi specific. The LCL should get a TControl.IntfXXX method to be called by the interface instead. 1.2 The VCL TCustomForm has an event OnHelp: THelpEvent, which is called with various contants and typecasts pointers from TApplication. I would suggest to not support this and add instead a more OOP defined event. 2. The LCL must delegate Help queries to the HelpSystem. The HelpSystem of the VCL is defined in HelpIntfs and may be sufficient for small things. But for the Open Source (e.g. Lazarus IDE itself) it is not flexible/comfortable enough. That's why I propose to move the Help interface unit of the IDEIntf to the LCL, rename the units (prefix l or laz) and use that as a helpsystem. It needs some pascal interfaces to be used in TCustomForm and TApplication. 3. Then the help system needs help databases: the actual stuff. This means you have to provide an editor for the format. And the help viewers: the browsers. I can do 1) and 2). For 3) we have already a basic type for fpdoc help databases and as a viewer a simple webbrowser 'viewer'. Then you can implement any database and/or viewer for whatever format you prefer. Which format we use for the Lazarus-doc binary releases will be decided when the rest is working. Of course there are still a lot of other issues to solve like translations and a better lazdoc. Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] patch: encloseselectiondlg
Alexandre Leclerc wrote: Patch generated in source directory: /lazarus/ide/ Description: Small patch for better keyboard working: - correct tab order - correct default/cancel buttons Thanks. Applied. I added your name to the contributors. Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: patch: encloseselectiondlg
Alexandre Leclerc wrote: Who is maintaining the dialog? No one in particular, so the Lazarus team. Do you have any question? Vincent _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: patch: encloseselectiondlg
2006/5/12, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: Who is maintaining the dialog? No one in particular, so the Lazarus team. Do you have any question? Well, yes; I tought that maybe the patch had something wrong because I made the changes in the ide... But I see that I was just impatient. :) Thank you. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: patch: encloseselectiondlg
Alexandre Leclerc wrote: 2006/5/12, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: Who is maintaining the dialog? No one in particular, so the Lazarus team. Do you have any question? Well, yes; I tought that maybe the patch had something wrong because I made the changes in the ide... But I see that I was just impatient. :) I took a quick glance, then tried to apply, this went without problems. Then recompiled Lazarus and showed the dialog (for the first time ever, I guess) and it looked ok, so I was bold and committed the patch. Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: patch: encloseselectiondlg
2006/5/12, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: 2006/5/12, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: Who is maintaining the dialog? No one in particular, so the Lazarus team. Do you have any question? Well, yes; I tought that maybe the patch had something wrong because I made the changes in the ide... But I see that I was just impatient. :) I took a quick glance, then tried to apply, this went without problems. Then recompiled Lazarus and showed the dialog (for the first time ever, I guess) and it looked ok, so I was bold and committed the patch. You do a great job. :) Best regards. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
Mattias Gaertner wrote: It seems the thread about 'help' can go on forever and probably many had stopped reading all of it. This mail should define some tasks on the road to a help for LCL applications: 1. the LCL must be extended to recognize help queries (e.g. pressing F1) 1.1 The VCL handles winapi WM_HELP messages. I don't know if such a thing exists under any other widgetset, but the I'm sure that the TWMHelp.HelpInfo is quite winapi specific. The LCL should get a TControl.IntfXXX method to be called by the interface instead. 1.2 The VCL TCustomForm has an event OnHelp: THelpEvent, which is called with various contants and typecasts pointers from TApplication. I would suggest to not support this and add instead a more OOP defined event. 2. The LCL must delegate Help queries to the HelpSystem. The HelpSystem of the VCL is defined in HelpIntfs and may be sufficient for small things. But for the Open Source (e.g. Lazarus IDE itself) it is not flexible/comfortable enough. That's why I propose to move the Help interface unit of the IDEIntf to the LCL, rename the units (prefix l or laz) and use that as a helpsystem. It needs some pascal interfaces to be used in TCustomForm and TApplication. 3. Then the help system needs help databases: the actual stuff. This means you have to provide an editor for the format. And the help viewers: the browsers. I can do 1) and 2). For 3) we have already a basic type for fpdoc help databases and as a viewer a simple webbrowser 'viewer'. Then you can implement any database and/or viewer for whatever format you prefer. Which format we use for the Lazarus-doc binary releases will be decided when the rest is working. Of course there are still a lot of other issues to solve like translations and a better lazdoc. Seems fine to me. It is open enough for other people to write their own viewers and db's. Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Micha Nelissen wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. Perhaps, but those projects by and large aren't READ ONLY, like a help file would be. Jeff. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Postgres connection question
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 12:38 +0200, Alex du Plessis wrote: How does one access the error messages from a postgres database when using the sqldb components (i.e. TPQConnection, TSQLTransaction and TSQLQuery)? You know, the irritating thing with error messages, is that they pop-up. You just get them. I don't know exactly what you mean. But if you mean the errormessages during Applyupdates - I'm working on that. Joost. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Fpcunit question
Joost van der Sluis wrote:
If I have several tests defined for a component. The component is
created and destroyed in the setup and teardown procedures. And then one
test is done.
But now, when all tests are performed. I want to run those tests again,
but then with one different value for a property of the component.
And then once again, with another property change.
How can I do that in w nice way?
The framework as designed in JUnit has no external input. So, the
simplest way is to write a set of tests in which you use the same setup
and teardown code and assign the value to a property in the body of the
test method.
But then, how can I run those tests more then once?
Or else I've to add wrappers for all the properties I want to change.
for example 10 tests, running with 20 different settings writing =
20*10=200 procedures...
or you could decide to read the property from a text file, but in this
case you should always remember to change this value and repeat the
tests, non practical at all.
Can you send me an example of your tests for which you need this, maybe
a concrete case could give me a better idea.
See the attachment in my mail from 11:40 pm. The tests in TestDBBasics.
I want to run them all with GetNDataset(x).Packetrecords := -1, 1, 5,
10, 100
Btw: what do you think of the tests? Improvements are welcome...
Didn't have the time to look at your tests yet, but I've written a small
example on how to effectively write parameterized tests in fpcunit, that
I'm attaching to this mail.
It proves once again that the junit framework design is quite flexible
and can be simply adapted to different testing needs. I added a short
description and some comments to the code to see how to proceed.
Ciao, Dean
unit paramstests;
{$mode objfpc}{$H+}
interface
uses
Classes, SysUtils, fpcunit, testutils, testregistry;
type
{sometimes the different tests to run have a lot of common functionality
and they differ only for the presence of a different parameter, or a different
property of the class under test. To remove duplication and unnecessary code
there is the possibility to manually build a parameterized test suite, see the
following example that can be used as a template. The steps are simple, create
a new constructor for the testcase that has the parameters you'll want to pass
in the tests (in the following examples the parameters are a string input parameter
and an integer parameter to use for the testing of the results). In this constructor
you have to call the inherited CreateWithName constructor passing the name of the
actual test (in the following code the actual test is the DoTest procedure that
performs a simple test of the lenght function for the string passed as parameter to
the testcase). The parameters are then stored in some private fileds of the testcase.
Then you'll have to construct the test suite manually, see the
Suite class function, passing the constructor of the testcase with the wanted parameters.
Finally you'll add the constructed test to the test registry using the
GetTestRegistry.AddTest function in the initialization section.
In this example you'll see that four isolated different tests with the same name (DoTest)
will be created. The only drawback is in the fact that in case of failure it's not
immediate to see which test went wrong, as the tests have the same name. I suggest
to pass some information in the string description of the extended assertequals function
as a hint (in the DoTest example below I've inserted the parameter that was passed into the test)
The same parameterized testcase could be constructed by loading the parameters
from an xml file or from an ini file instead of storing them in the private fields
of the testcase. I leave this simple implementation as an exercise for the reader :)
{ TParameterizedTestCase }
TParameterizedTestCase = class(TTestCase)
private
aParam: string;
aOut: integer;
public
constructor Create(const aParameter: string; aOutput: integer); virtual; overload;
class function Suite: TTestSuite;
published
procedure DoTest;
end;
implementation
{ TParameterizedTestCase }
constructor TParameterizedTestCase.Create(const aParameter: string; aOutput: integer);
begin
//create a new DoTest testcase
inherited CreateWithName('DoTest');
//store the parameters
aParam := aParameter;
aOut := aOutput;
end;
class function TParameterizedTestCase.Suite: TTestSuite;
begin
//manually create the test suite
Result := TTestSuite.Create('TParameterizedTestCase');
Result.AddTest(TParameterizedTestCase.Create('', 0));
Result.AddTest(TParameterizedTestCase.Create('o', 1));
Result.AddTest(TParameterizedTestCase.Create('two', 3));
Result.AddTest(TParameterizedTestCase.Create('three', 5));
end;
procedure TParameterizedTestCase.DoTest;
begin
//insert here the common functionality of the parameterized test
//here for example we are testing the Length function:
AssertEquals('test ' +
[lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
I'm trying to install the VTV component compiling with fpc 2.0.2 and I get an error: C:\lazarus\components\virtualtreeview\Src\VirtualTrees.pas(1440,77) Error: Illegal symbol for property access The line is: property TreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions read FOptions write SetOptions; Set options: procedure SetOptions(const Value: TCustomVirtualTreeOptions); TVirtualTreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions = class(TCustomVirtualTreeOptions) I dont see anything wrong int setoptions, the types (a base type is used)... unless it make too much time I did not code in Pascal. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] TImageList.Add does not seem to work
I am porting an application from Delphi that depends heavily on images added at runtime to a TImageList. However, the Add method does not seem to work in Lazarus. Here is an example: normalImages := TImageList.Create(AOwner); normalImages.Height := 33; normalImages.Width := 33; normalImages.Masked := false; . . . image := TBitmap.Create; image.LoadFromFile(f); currImages.Add(image, Nil); . . . normalImages.GetBitmap(baseImage * uc_NumOptions + imageIndex, image.Picture.Bitmap); // This copies nothing into image It also does not work if I place a TImageList on a form and add the images (as above) at runtime. However, if I place a TImageList on the form and store the images into it via the object inspector then the above line works ok. I assume that the Add function does not work correctly. Andreas _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
Alexandre Leclerc wrote: I'm trying to install the VTV component compiling with fpc 2.0.2 and I get an error: C:\lazarus\components\virtualtreeview\Src\VirtualTrees.pas(1440,77) Error: Illegal symbol for property access The line is: property TreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions read FOptions write SetOptions; Set options: procedure SetOptions(const Value: TCustomVirtualTreeOptions); Parameter type is not correct. TVirtualTreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions = class(TCustomVirtualTreeOptions) Micha _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Fpcunit question
On Fri, 2006-05-12 at 15:57 +0200, Dean Zobec wrote: Joost van der Sluis wrote: If I have several tests defined for a component. The component is created and destroyed in the setup and teardown procedures. And then one test is done. But now, when all tests are performed. I want to run those tests again, but then with one different value for a property of the component. And then once again, with another property change. How can I do that in w nice way? The framework as designed in JUnit has no external input. So, the simplest way is to write a set of tests in which you use the same setup and teardown code and assign the value to a property in the body of the test method. But then, how can I run those tests more then once? Or else I've to add wrappers for all the properties I want to change. for example 10 tests, running with 20 different settings writing = 20*10=200 procedures... or you could decide to read the property from a text file, but in this case you should always remember to change this value and repeat the tests, non practical at all. Can you send me an example of your tests for which you need this, maybe a concrete case could give me a better idea. See the attachment in my mail from 11:40 pm. The tests in TestDBBasics. I want to run them all with GetNDataset(x).Packetrecords := -1, 1, 5, 10, 100 Btw: what do you think of the tests? Improvements are welcome... Didn't have the time to look at your tests yet, but I've written a small example on how to effectively write parameterized tests in fpcunit, that I'm attaching to this mail. It proves once again that the junit framework design is quite flexible and can be simply adapted to different testing needs. I added a short description and some comments to the code to see how to proceed. This is great. Thank you. Joost. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:23:57PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Marco Ciampa wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 03:33:02PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I think the po2xml is just used to translate the program strings which appear in the docs (used to refer to button captions etc), not for the actual documentation text. Wrong. It is used for documentation writing too as you can see here, for the LinuxFromScratch manual: http://www.mail-archive.com/lfs-dev@linuxfromscratch.org/msg06863.html In that case, I understand even less why they use it. In my opinion, the .po format is totally unsuitable for this kind of thing. Sorry, I do not understand and I really want to see your point. Could you please tell me why you consider .po files not suitable for the job? I do not know of some other tool able to manage the update problem of a multilingual translation as the gettext tool. May be I'm wrong but I think that such a tool simply does not exist! po files are designed/meant for captions, short one-line descriptions to be displayed in a program, produced by gettext from sources. Right. It is the kind of use I intended for gettext. We both agree about po files scope but I think you missed the point. Gettext uses a very inefficient algorithm for translation: it searches in the .po (or .mo) file for the original text, and then returns the translated text. You can't get more inefficient than that. No. It is really quick and it doesn't search the .po file but its compiled form, the .mo and anyway, I never intended to use it as a final product, so I do not really care if it's fast or not. Conclusion: The .po format is not designed/meant for large pieces of continuous text. Yes, I agree again and the use I have in mind ([EMAIL PROTECTED] in this ml grasped the concept quickly, see: Maybe a source format file combination of *.po files and a XML file: xml title path= title.po / contents path= contents.po / /xml yes, sort of... ) is to use the interesting propriety of the .po files with the gettext utility suite only for source code, not for the final result. Infact I never inteded it to. A paragraph is always a short text, in general a fiew lines, so it's ideal for gettext .po strings. I agree with you that a good tool for translations does not exist. The question is whether such a tool should exist. The right tool do not exist but gettext is the most andvanced tool in this direction thought. A simple diff (with nice gui) in any text editor can help you in keeping your translation up to date just as much... No, really not, it's a nightmare, believe me! My main occupation (as a volunteer) is to translate free software programs and manuals (like GIMP) and I can assure you: without gettext revision control it's really difficult to keep track of the modifications inserted at random (in time and location) by contributors even using a language (the english) as a reference and with cvs (and cvs web interface). There is no need to use a .po file format for this. For the final product, no. I really intended to obtain html _AND_ any other suitable for browse/search format like chm or pdf or info or whatever you like. How would you translate a document written in Latex, or Ms-Word or OpenOffice Writer? Cut it in paragraps and paste it in many .po strings and the work is easier than that with any other source format. There are no good tools for this, and I don't believe it's possible to write such a tool other than some visual aid for detecting differences... Have you used tools like intltool-update from the gnome project lately? It works like a sharm! Is it possible to obtain the same result with any other tool? Do you know of any similar tools? Without gettext utilities like msgmerge? For example: The fpdoc format is much more suitable for translation, because all pieces of text are identified with unique names. The text is really a unique identifier, or not? It would be much more easy to write a translator program for that. Yes its simple in a one-shot effort. Pray to be not the manual mantainer...and why should you reinvent the wheel when there are so many instruments like poedit, kbabel, emacs po-mode, even rosetta web interface from the ubuntu project!?! Remember: the problem is _not_ the easyness to translate the manual _but_ the maintainability of it! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
2006/5/12, Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: I'm trying to install the VTV component compiling with fpc 2.0.2 and I get an error: C:\lazarus\components\virtualtreeview\Src\VirtualTrees.pas(1440,77) Error: Illegal symbol for property access The line is: property TreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions read FOptions write SetOptions; Set options: procedure SetOptions(const Value: TCustomVirtualTreeOptions); Parameter type is not correct. Yes, but they are same descendent no? I'll correct that then and see. (I was compiling with 2.1.1 in fact; error of myself). -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
2006/5/12, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2006/5/12, Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: I'm trying to install the VTV component compiling with fpc 2.0.2 and I get an error: C:\lazarus\components\virtualtreeview\Src\VirtualTrees.pas(1440,77) Error: Illegal symbol for property access The line is: property TreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions read FOptions write SetOptions; Set options: procedure SetOptions(const Value: TCustomVirtualTreeOptions); Parameter type is not correct. Yes, but they are same descendent no? I'll correct that then and see. (I was compiling with 2.1.1 in fact; error of myself). Should I send a patch here? Else, to whom? -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
2006/5/12, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should I send a patch here? Else, to whom? Ok, it's already correction in svn tree. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
is fixed in cvs since 2 month regards Christian - Original Message - From: Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lazarus@miraclec.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2 2006/5/12, Alexandre Leclerc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2006/5/12, Micha Nelissen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alexandre Leclerc wrote: I'm trying to install the VTV component compiling with fpc 2.0.2 and I get an error: C:\lazarus\components\virtualtreeview\Src\VirtualTrees.pas(1440,77) Error: Illegal symbol for property access The line is: property TreeOptions: TVirtualTreeOptions read FOptions write SetOptions; Set options: procedure SetOptions(const Value: TCustomVirtualTreeOptions); Parameter type is not correct. Yes, but they are same descendent no? I'll correct that then and see. (I was compiling with 2.1.1 in fact; error of myself). Should I send a patch here? Else, to whom? -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Compiling laz from svn + statistically linked components
I installed vtv and worked nice. Laz recompiled itself. I use an independent tree for svn version that I compile and use and if all works well I move to my usual working lazarus tree. Now I see that the vtv component is not included in the compilation of laz from svn. I did: - copied vtv folder in components - copied /lazarus/staticpackages.inc to my svn tree too. Now i feel I must tell the compiler to add the stuff... but I just don't know how. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
2006/5/12, Christian U. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: is fixed in cvs since 2 month Do you have svn access? -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
Michael Van Canneyt escreveu: On Fri, 12 May 2006, Luiz Americo wrote: I did more tests, all give comparable results: sqlite is very fast for simple stuff. Your results are comparable from one made without index published in sqlite wiki, but when using index, according to the test, sqlite compares to the other. Obviously, I have created the same indexes in all 3 databases. See: http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=SpeedComparison And yes, I did all possible optimizations. Version 3 was used. I have a lot of experience with databases of all kinds, and I know what to test for. Please post the database schema, no of records, indexes, so i can reproduce and publish in a site. I'll send it in private if you want, but you don't have permission to publish it. (my contract with the journal's editor forbids that) Please send it. I'll take a look if some easy optization can be done and i'll return to you privately. Luiz _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
Do you have svn access? Thers no svn for Virtualtreeview Thers cvs. and its on my server so i have access :) -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] TImageList.Add does not seem to work
Andreas Berger wrote: I am porting an application from Delphi that depends heavily on images added at runtime to a TImageList. However, the Add method does not seem to work in Lazarus. Here is an example: normalImages := TImageList.Create(AOwner); normalImages.Height := 33; normalImages.Width := 33; normalImages.Masked := false; . . . image := TBitmap.Create; image.LoadFromFile(f); currImages.Add(image, Nil); . . . normalImages.GetBitmap(baseImage * uc_NumOptions + imageIndex, image.Picture.Bitmap); // This copies nothing into image It also does not work if I place a TImageList on a form and add the images (as above) at runtime. However, if I place a TImageList on the form and store the images into it via the object inspector then the above line works ok. I assume that the Add function does not work correctly. Andreas Ok I found the problem. Lazarus simply adds the image to the list without making a copy, so when I deleted the image after adding it (like is done in delphi) the image vanished :) . Is this an error? _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
1 - We cannot just get dependent on Open Office. It´s a huge dependency, and won´t work on wince for example. Open Office format it's too complicated for a help file. a lot of stuff ready. - Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [.mx] _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Pixels
Reading and writing pixels to a bitmap under windows 98 does not work. I have looked at the Lazarus LCL code and it seem correct since it ends up calling Windows.GetPixel and Windows.SetPixel. The only thing I can assume is that the handle is corrupt. Can someone who knows the internals better check this out? Thanks, Andreas _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
more productive route ATM, if the coder doesn't care anyway. Micha It seems that the one that implements it's proposal wins... - Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [.mx] _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Micha Nelissen wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: they use inside the *.jar files (html, straight xml or odt ...) and what viewer they use for the help. They do use the Berkeley Database for indexes, keywork search and extended tooltips. Berkeley DB ? Sorry, but that rings alarm bells over here ... all projects I've heard using it have corruption from time to time :-(. Perhaps, but those projects by and large aren't READ ONLY, like a help file would be. So what about SVN? _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On 12/05/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open Office format it's too complicated for a help file. I can't see why? If you are referring to the tags while authoring help, when last have you seen all the tags for Windows Help. Also the Help Authoring Plugin of OOo makes authoring help much easier. Plus you get the benefit of what OOo Writer has to offer. Regarding generating the HTML from the XML. That would be a once off design of XSLT rules. Not difficult, just time consuming. I am sure we can peak at the OOo XSLT to help us along. The only thing to I can think of that might be a pain, is finding a decent HTML Viewer component for Lazarus and something that supports basic CSS would be a big bonus. This isn't really a issue against the OOo format as the consensus is that HTML as one of the final output formats is the preferred choice. In that case, no matter what help format we use, we still need to be able to viewer the HTML in some viewer component. Regards, Graeme. -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
Conclusion: The .po format is not designed/meant for large pieces of continuous text. The cool thing about *.po files are One text file for a set of messages, each message with a string ID. What about a BINARY replacement of text files such as: - Binary Help Index table (*.hidx): - Identifier|Offset - 1.|0 2.|5 - -- Binary Help Message table (*.hmsg): -- RecordNumber|Message -- 0...|Hello 5...|World -- -- Pascal file that uses resources (*.pas): -- const resHello = 1; // for Binary Index file resWorld = 2; // for Binary Index file ... function _(const Identifier: Integer): string; // function that loads a resourcestring, guven its identifier var S: string; ... S := _(resHello) + ' ' + _(resWorld); -- And use it to make a help system. My 2 cents... - Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [.mx] _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] VirtualTreeView compile error - FPC 2.0.2
2006/5/12, Christian U. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Do you have svn access? Thers no svn for Virtualtreeview Thers cvs. and its on my server so i have access :) Well, I meant access in a broader term (svn based access). I do not use csv... but I think there is something like tortoisecsv for the brokenOS on which i'm right now. I'll try to get a download. Is there a reason why zip distrib are not frequently released (since it makes 2 months it's corrected)? Is there a reason not to use the csv version? Regards. -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Who needs Unicode controls.
Hi, I have a question. Who of you need Unicode support in visula controls. What non Latin languages (such as Arabic, Chinese) do you need to be supported ? Just curious. - Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [.mx] _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] SSE bug
On Friday 12 May 2006 12:02, S0vNarK0m wrote: Hi all, somebody can say something about http://www.freepascal.org/bugs/showrec.php3?ID=5073 yes, $ASMMODE intel is broken in 2.1.1, with 2.0.2 it compiles. http://www.freepascal.org/bugs/showrec.php3?ID=5015 and http://www.freepascal.org/bugs/showrec.php3?ID=5036 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Who needs Unicode controls.
בFriday 12 May 2006 19:22, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have a question. Who of you need Unicode support in visula controls. It will be great for me, my native language is Hebrew and BiDi (I have a binding code for freebidi btw) with unicode can be great. What non Latin languages (such as Arabic, Chinese) do you need to be supported ? Just curious. - Marco Aurelio Ramirez Carrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [.mx] -- William Safire's rules for writing as seen in the New York Times Do not put statements in the negative form. And don't start sentences with a conjunction. If you reread your work, you will find on rereading that a great deal of repetition can be avoided by rereading and editing. Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do. Unqualified superlatives are the worst of all. If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is. Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky. Never, ever use repetitive redundancies. Also, avoid awkward or affected alliteration. Last, but not least, avoid cliche's like the plague. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Pixels
On Fri, 12 May 2006 13:50:22 -0300 Andreas Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading and writing pixels to a bitmap under windows 98 does not work. I have looked at the Lazarus LCL code and it seem correct since it ends up Please send an example project that reproduces the error. Micha _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Who needs Unicode controls.
On 5/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a question. Who of you need Unicode support in visula controls. I already use Unicode support in visual controls, on Gtk 2 interface. What is missing is adding support for utf-8 on the win32 interface. It would probably have to be something like this: If Windows 9x, then convert utf-8 to adequate iso If Windows NT, then convert utf-8 to utf-16 and call the Wide version of Windows API. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
In your lazarus directory /components/chmhelp/packages/chm/ there is a unit called chmreader. It is simple to get a list of any of the files in the chm and extracting them: That's how easy it is to get all the files out of a chm :) Okay so its easy to get the HTML out of CHM (legally.. not sure), now how do I convert the CHM file into a web program that runs on my web server and allows people to make queries at my website to search the html files? This is my case for using a database from day 1, for both jobs - instead of using CHM for the desktop and some other database for the web server docs. BTW Felipe, if you are listening - CHM was not available on Windows CE either - someone has done some work to get it working on Windows CE though.. just as someone got SQLite working on Windows CE. My point is that databases are no worse than CHM for the Windows CE argument. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
On 5/12/06, L505 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW Felipe, if you are listening - CHM was not available on Windows CE either - someone has done some work to get it working on Windows CE though.. just as someone got SQLite working on Windows CE. My point is that databases are no worse than CHM for the Windows CE argument. Well, but basically it was decided that the help framework will allow people to implement their own Viewers and DBs, so this discussion seams to be about the help that Lazarus will use, right? In that case the core developers already forbit external dependencies, and I agree with them. Lazarus should use a 100% oop solution. This also makes the IDE easier to deploy, We don´t want to be forced to deploy sqlite together with the IDE. For your own programs, please feel free to write DB and viewer classes for sqlite =) We can use the Lazarus CCR to host such viewers and help DB solutions, so people can then choose which one to use. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Can't make it work (my own laz distro)
Hi all, I did compile the latest of fpc and lazarus (with the latest fpc). But I'm not able to compile anything in Lazarus. There is something I'm missing. Any pointers would be helpful. (Under windows). With FPC 2.0.2 I compiled latest svn fpc. set path=C:\FPC\2.0.2\bin\i386-win32;c:\fpcsvn make all make install I copied make.exe from the 2.0.2 to the new /pp/bin... folder. Then with latest fpc I compile lazarus (svn source). set path=C:\pp\bin\i386-win32;c:\lazarus make The I movex /pp to /lazarus/pp and moved /fpcsvn to /lazarus/fpcsvn (renamed to fpcsrc) When I run Lazarus, I set the Config-Environnement Options and all is fine. But when I run lazarus to compile a test program, there is no way to find any unit. (Interfaces, etc.) In fact all /lazarus/lcl/interfaces ... are there. But it can't find it. Is it because I must compile these? If yes, how? (I can't see any differences with a normal working lazarus distro.) -- Alexandre Leclerc _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
On 5/12/06, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The LCL must delegate Help queries to the HelpSystem. The HelpSystem of the VCL is defined in HelpIntfs and may be sufficient for small things. But for the Open Source (e.g. Lazarus IDE itself) it is not flexible/comfortable enough. That's why I propose to move the Help interface unit of the IDEIntf to the LCL, rename the units (prefix l or laz) and use that as a helpsystem. It needs some pascal interfaces to be used in TCustomForm and TApplication. I took a look at HelpIntfs at lclintf directory, and it doesn´t seam easely extensible, nor provides a way to have multiple viewers and dbs. IMHO it doesn´t seam suitable to be utilized as a Framework for apps produced with Lazarus. On another thread there is the description of the Kylix help system, what do you guys (lazarus developers) think of using either the Kylix system, or a Kylix-like system? I can develop such unit, with interfaces to be implemented by people writing their own viewers / dbs. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] MacOS X - Lazarus installation
Working on a iBook G4, I got fpc and lazarus on the system through svn. Both are located in a subfolder in my personal folder. Decide to go though this way because prefer updating system (just svn update). Running make install into fpc folder I get a series of command not found messages as follow: make: -iVSPTPSOTO: Command not found make: -iSP: Command not found make: -iTP: Command not found make: -iSO: Command not found make: -iTO: Command not found make -C ide idepkg make[1]: -iSP: Command not found make[1]: -iTP: Command not found make[1]: -iSO: Command not found make[1]: -iTO: Command not found ... Same happen while make-ing Lazarus: make: -iVSPTPSOTO: Command not found make: -iSP: Command not found make: -iTP: Command not found make: -iSO: Command not found make: -iTO: Command not found make -C ide ide make[1]: -iSP: Command not found make[1]: -iTP: Command not found ... I cannot explain this although followed instructions at: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/ Installing_Lazarus#Installing_Free_Pascal_under_Mac_OS_X My next option is to use ready binary packages at http:// www.de.freepascal.org/lazarus/ but I would like to keep this way. This is the second time posted for installing on MacOSX. first time related to an Intel based system but I exchanged with this traditional system hoping to get smoother installation and usage. Regard, Panagiotis _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
[lazarus] Turbopower ipro HTML Viewer
Hi, I saw the ipro components in the Lazarus directory and noticed that there is a HTML Viewer component. Anybody know how good that component is? Does it support basic CSS? Regards, - Graeme - -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] MacOS X - Lazarus installation
Panagiotis Sidiropoulos wrote: Working on a iBook G4, I got fpc and lazarus on the system through svn. Both are located in a subfolder in my personal folder. Decide to go though this way because prefer updating system (just svn update). Running make install into fpc folder I get a series of command not found messages as follow: make: -iVSPTPSOTO: Command not found make: -iSP: Command not found make: -iTP: Command not found make: -iSO: Command not found make: -iTO: Command not found make -C ide idepkg make[1]: -iSP: Command not found make[1]: -iTP: Command not found make[1]: -iSO: Command not found make[1]: -iTO: Command not found ... Same happen while make-ing Lazarus: make: -iVSPTPSOTO: Command not found make: -iSP: Command not found make: -iTP: Command not found make: -iSO: Command not found make: -iTO: Command not found make -C ide ide make[1]: -iSP: Command not found make[1]: -iTP: Command not found ... It seems you don't have a compiler on your path. To compile fpc you need a compiler, for example from a binary package. For powerpc download the fpc 2.0.2 macosx installer, for intel download a 2.1.1 snapshot. Note only the compiler (ppcppc or ppc386) is needed. Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On 5/12/06, Mattias Gaertner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. The LCL must delegate Help queries to the HelpSystem. The HelpSystem of the VCL is defined in HelpIntfs and may be sufficient for small things. But for the Open Source (e.g. Lazarus IDE itself) it is not flexible/comfortable enough. That's why I propose to move the Help interface unit of the IDEIntf to the LCL, rename the units (prefix l or laz) and use that as a helpsystem. It needs some pascal interfaces to be used in TCustomForm and TApplication. I took a look at HelpIntfs at lclintf directory, and it doesn´t seam easely extensible, nor provides a way to have multiple viewers and dbs. Why isn't it extensible? Some code may need to be moved, maybe the HelpManager needs to be added. Multiple databases: See procedure THelpManager.RegisterIDEHelpDatabases Multiple viewers is also possible: Extend procedure THelpManager.RegisterDefaultIDEHelpViewers; I don't see what is missing. Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
On 12/05/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why isn't it extensible? Some code may need to be moved, maybe the HelpManager needs to be added. Multiple databases: See procedure THelpManager.RegisterIDEHelpDatabases Multiple viewers is also possible: Extend procedure THelpManager.RegisterDefaultIDEHelpViewers; I don't see what is missing. Vincent. I haven't had time to study the related code yet, so excuse me if I got this all wrong. From the method names mentioned above, I come to the conclusion that this help system only works for the Lazarus IDE? Can one implement help for applications written with Lazarus and LCL as well.? Regards, Graeme. -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Turbopower ipro HTML Viewer
On Friday 12 May 2006 23:14, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I saw the ipro components in the Lazarus directory and noticed that there is a HTML Viewer component. Anybody know how good that component is? Does it support basic CSS? It's not great but it's pretty decent, I use it in some projects. It does handle at least some CSS enough anyway to open html docs created in OOo. In some regards it's not the prettiest out there, but it's generally quite good enough for embedding a bit of html somewhere when you need it. I use it for inline help windows, to show parsed wikiquote results in, to power the get new wordlists feature in tappytux etc. Ciao A.J. -- there's nothing as inspirational for a hacker as a cat obscuring a bug by sitting in front of the monitor - Boudewijn Rempt A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International www.getopenlab.com www.silentcoder.co.za +27 82 726 5103 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Turbopower ipro HTML Viewer
On 12/05/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not great but it's pretty decent, I use it in some projects. It does handle at least some CSS enough anyway to open html docs created in OOo. Thanks AJ. I will give it a try in the coming week. I am hunting for a HTML viewer I can use in a application Help System. I gather it is cross platform otherwise it wouldn't ship with Lazarus. Regards, Graeme. -- There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Turbopower ipro HTML Viewer
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 12/05/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not great but it's pretty decent, I use it in some projects. It does handle at least some CSS enough anyway to open html docs created in OOo. Thanks AJ. I will give it a try in the coming week. I am hunting for a HTML viewer I can use in a application Help System. I gather it is cross platform otherwise it wouldn't ship with Lazarus. That's the HTML viewer that was used in chmhelp. If you need an example of making a DataProvider for the TIProHTMLViewer then there is an example you can use to get an idea of how it works. Andrew _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Requirements
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 05:07:28PM +0200, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Not for the initial format either: You have to insert the tag: element name=TMyClass.MyMethod descr lang=en rdate=200613050135 pblah-blah/p pblah2-blah2/p /descr descr lang=de rdate=20061305 pblah-blah/p pblah2-blah2/p /descr 1) you have to make the tool that parses the source in search of a ReleaseDATE mismatch to signal the change and 'jumps' to it 2) you have to create the macros to update the rdate tag 3) you have to check for the validation of the code and so on... to be short, you find yourself reinventing the wheel of the gettext platform... Will do just fine. Any changes to portions of the first descr node can be made visible in a decent fpdoc editing program, and the relevant portion of the second node can be displayed in parallel... reinventing poedit... No _need_ for .po files. You could use them, but I doubt they are needed. Ofter the advandages of using a standard tool are not apparent at first but when you have already done much of the work... :-( since fpdoc is a structured format, showing differences is just a matter of having the correct tools in your editor. yes but why to recode something that is already there? New Murphy law: for every new RAD there will be a new (and buggy) help format tool :-/ -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Who needs Unicode controls.
It would also be great for me to have Unicode controls under win32. On 2006-05-12 at 19:58, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What is missing is adding support for utf-8 on the win32 interface. It would probably have to be something like this: If Windows 9x, then convert utf-8 to adequate iso If Windows NT, then convert utf-8 to utf-16 and call the Wide version of Windows API. I agree - this is also my understanding after the recent thread. It seems that it would be highly inefficient on native utf-16 machines (such as WinNT+), but it should work, in principle. I have not tried it (yet), but I am browsing the code from time to time (when I find some time). Let me quote two other posts on the subject, just for the sake of completeness... On 2005-11-18 at 00:02, Marc Weustink ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The LCL consists of 2 parts, one which implements a class hierarchy compatible with the VCL and one that communicates to the various widgets of the various platforms. The communication between the 2 parts is done by a abstract class TWidgetset. Each widgetset is implemented by its own derived class form TWidgetset. Where the GTK widgetset is the oldest. In this widgetset the string encoding is determined by the LANG environment var. If it is a UTF8 variant, all strings from and to native controls/widgets are UTF8 encoded. However utf8 may affect keyboard handling for gtk1. On gtk2 this problem is solved, but not implemented yet, the keyboard routines still rely on gtk1 code there. The win32 interfaces is iirc setup with ansi widgets, so you wont get unicode there. In the new OSX interface we decided to make it UTF8 internally, since there is a movement to make the LCL UTF8 aware. Back to your question. IMO it doesn't make much sense to add new unicode controls, since the native controls should support that (I read UTF8 here as unicode) in the future. It is not like delphi where you must add new unicode aware controls since you cannot change the creation of the VCL controls. On 2006-05-01 at 14:16, roozbeh gholizadeh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well i read your mail fast,although i shouldnt for this reply on it,but here are few things just to remind. Currently all windows apis are mapped to *A version,as far as i know like c headers there arent define words like unicode which you can alter that,so you have to change all of them-or only those you require-to be unicode versions. Secondly using getwindowtextw or getwindowstexta when your window is created by createwindowa,doesnt differ. So you have to change all window creation too,to make them really unicode. Not doing that and using *W version is just like using *A version and then converting that string to widestring. If you have time-which should be more than normal :)-take a look at tnt components and see how they have implemented everything,and whats the diffrence between them and vcl,the same will apply here too. Regards, Borut _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] Lazarus Help System Parts
On 5/12/06, Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why isn't it extensible? Multiple databases: See procedure THelpManager.RegisterIDEHelpDatabases Multiple viewers is also possible: Extend procedure THelpManager.RegisterDefaultIDEHelpViewers; But this procedures have no parameters! It is just my oppinion, but I think that a model with Interfaces to be implemented is more straigth forward and easier to be understood for people creating software with Lazarus. Looking at HelpIntfs the way it is currently, it´s very hard to find out what should I implement, what class to derive from to build by own viewer / db? Also a interface has a advantage here that it can be utilized on a class derived from anything. thanks, -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] New help doc format?
George Lober wrote: Looking at it , it looks like it is all dependent on LHelp, which is GPL. So if I can't compile that into my application or distribute it under my license, you are left with situation where the end user somehow has to get LHelp themselves. Are they supposed to install Lazarus and compile it themselves ? The unit/package to control lhelp (modified LGPL) does not link to lhelp in any way. It talks to it using the IPC units that come with fpc. basically sending to lhelp text commands. You may distribute the lhelp program with your program but that does not make your program subject to lhelp's license because there is no linking of any sort between them. BTW, LHelp seems to have a few noticeable bugs reading chm files. Please send me descriptions of the bugs so they can be fixed. :) Andrew _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
