Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Jesse Stay wrote: This is actually what concerns me about my daughter's school. She's a first grader and they want to post her and her classmates' (w/ naive parents permission, of course) pictures and names along with progress info on a website, no login or anything to protect that info. It scares me that any weirdo out there can then view my daughter's picture, know her name, and what school she goes to. I think we are often not careful enough about what we allow others to display on the web. If it were behind a password-protected site, then maybe it would be another thing. Sorry - just ranting about a recent frustration with the schools here in Utah. The school district here in Texas sends a letter out with the student ID number (used for the login name) and a randomly generated password. Everything is password protected. There are no pictures of students or even their name on the web site. Just their student ID number. Someone actually thought about this it seems or, maybe, they actually read some of the emails I sent. :) FYI, in case everyone didn't see this on slashdot... Ross Anderson's excellent security engineering book is now on-line: See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/book.html or download the entire thing at: http://rapidshare.de/files/31139575/security_engineering.pdf.html http://www.filewire.com/download.php?id=5ead2cad1c6cb101e336dc0 http://www.zshare.net/download/security_engineering-pdf.html -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Thanks to the student progress system
our school district is using I know if there is a problem with one of my
kids before the report cards come out. Also, teachers are not spending
a good deal of their time talking to the parents but rather they are
spending more of their time, well hopefully, teaching.
This is actually what concerns me about my daughter's school. She's a
first grader and they want to post her and her classmates' (w/ naive
parents permission, of course) pictures and names along with progress
info on a website, no login or anything to protect that info. It
scares me that any weirdo out there can then view my daughter's
picture, know her name, and what school she goes to. I think we are
often not careful enough about what we allow others to display on the
web.
If it were behind a password-protected site, then maybe it would be
another thing. Sorry - just ranting about a recent frustration with
the schools here in Utah.
Jesse
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[Ldsoss] PAF4J using a NetBeans framework
Hi all, To make it easier for people to plug into the port of PAF to Java I have decided to make use of an application framework. This is the first version of PAF using the NetBeans platform. If you feel like trying it out, go to http://www.manorrock.com/products/paf/. And click on "Webstart It". Note you will need a working PAF5 file. To help you out in using it, please read the following: 1. Goto your menu bar and do Window | Favorites. 2. Make sure your PAF5 file is in a directory that shows up for this view. For Windows users if you have it somewhere in your "My Documents directory" you should be able to find it. 3. Find your PAF file. 4. Right click on the PAF file. 5. Click on PAF5OpenAction. 6. View the PAF5IndividualView Window on the right. I know this is all a bit crude, but I wanted to show that the new design works nicely within the NetBeans framework. If you want to help out please let me know. If there is enough interest I can put these sources online so we can all contribute. Note because this is a development release I haven't signed it with a proper certificate. So you will get that warning message! Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
On 9/1/06, Kevin Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I farfewer people care about online privacy than you might think. I mustadmit I have never understood why I should care what others know aboutme.KevinThis is a good point, Kevin. Those who care really (I mean, reall, care). But most of us feel such risks are just part of life, and not inordinate just because they are on the web. We do need to be sensitive to those who care, but opt-out is, I think, sufficient. -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who has ever coveted a cloud, a rainbow, or a blue sky? (TH 2006-05-26) ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Personally, I would be fine with my finances on the web as well. I do all my banking online, so why not tithing? That said, I understand your point, and I agree that legally some opt-in would be needed, but I far fewer people care about online privacy than you might think. I must admit I have never understood why I should care what others know about me. I would honestly like to know what motivates you (or people in general) to care about keeping your finances or personal information secret? Are you concerned about identity theft? Kevin Steven H. McCown wrote: Actually, the only parents who are that "out of the loop" are those who either choose to be or don't concern themselves enough to ask. A little "how's my son doing?" to the Scoutmaster would give a better picture. Most Scout Masters are excited to talk with parents. Posting minor children's information to the internet and trying to secure it with software that isn't secure won't really cure that. As for the $40/year and writing a new software package, that's great, I support it. My only complaint is with posting minor children's information (as discussed on this list) to the web. Legally, the church will have to provide an opt-out mechanism (in several countries besides the US). People keep mentioning parental involvement and parental tracking. Here's a thought, it might be valuable for tithing payers to monitor their charitable donations and compare their records to the church's. If only FIS was online accessible (with appropriate security to only monitor ones own donations), then we could all go online with a great tool to assist in financial planning. This would ease a busy person's burdens and make it so they never had to go ask the ward clerk for a printout. Why is that unreasonable (to all but the most devoted techies)? Because it's money. Whenever money is involved, people get real sensitive. Why don't people share the same concern about children? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:39 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Steven H. McCown wrote: The key is that if you don't *really* have to be web-accessible, then don't. If it isn't web-accessible then parents continue to be largely "out of the loop" on their son's status in scouts and we continue to spend money out of our YM budgets for TroopMaster licenses. Why would we want to take the time to change to save about $40/yr? However, collectively with all the wards this could add up for the Church as a whole. We don't think collectively at the ward level, however. Therefore, $40/yr for scout tracking software can be easily budgeted for to save a headache. Each parent could have their own copy of the scout tracking software... Wrong. Installing and supporting an application on every parent's computer is impractical. We would end up fixing parent's operating system issues for the most part. Scout masters want to be scout masters and not software support specialist. IMHO, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Thomas Haws wrote: "If I had to call all seven of my kids' teachers every couple of weeks to find out how they are doing in each of their classes then this would be a full-time job in itself." For the teacher, you mean!! Well, ok, not a full-time job but let's do the math (just for fun)... Seven kids: three are in high school, two are in middle school, two are in grade school (or pre-school). The high and middle schoolers have about 7 teachers each so that is 28 teachers (not to mention football coaches, etc.) The grade schooler has a home room teacher, a music teacher, a computer teacher, and a PE teacher. That's four more. The pre-schooler has one teacher right now. A grand total of 33 teachers. So if I called each teacher and talked to them for, say, 15 minutes then it would take 8 hrs 15 minutes. From the teacher's perspective... let's assume they teach high/middle school and teach six classes a day. The average class size in the school district where my kids go has an average class size of something like 23 students. Let's round it down to 20. Therefore, they would teach 120 students. Therefore, if they talked to each parent 15 minutes it would take 30 hrs. In short, having an on-line place for teachers to post grades and information about the students progress has been very beneficial for both the teacher and the parent. Thanks to the student progress system our school district is using I know if there is a problem with one of my kids before the report cards come out. Also, teachers are not spending a good deal of their time talking to the parents but rather they are spending more of their time, well hopefully, teaching. -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
"If I had to call all sevenof my kids' teachers every couple of weeks to find out how they aredoing in each of their classes then this would be a full-time job in itself."For the teacher, you mean!! Tom HAws ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Survey Results: How well do you know your relatives
Thanks to those of you that took a minute to complete the survey on how well we know our relatives. All of the results are posted on the Taking Genealogy to the Common Person blog (http://eatslikeahuman.blogspot.com/). Dan LawyerProduct ManagerFamily and Church HistoryThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints801-240-3205 -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Steven H. McCown wrote: Actually, the only parents who are that "out of the loop" are those who either choose to be or don't concern themselves enough to ask. A little "how's my son doing?" to the Scoutmaster would give a better picture. Most Scout Masters are excited to talk with parents. Posting minor children's information to the internet and trying to secure it with software that isn't secure won't really cure that. Yes, ideally, if the parents were on top of things then the scoutmaster's job would be easy. In the scout handbook there is a place for recording and tracking everything and the "ideal parent" would make sure that is up to date. There would be no need for scout tracking software and this discussion. Ideal parents wouldn't be asking "how's my son doing?" because they would know. They actually know better than the scoutmaster and other YM leaders. However, out of the 30+ YM we have I would say there are only about 5 that have ideal parents. With the less than ideal parents we have to be more proactive, however. As for the $40/year and writing a new software package, that's great, I support it. My only complaint is with posting minor children's information (as discussed on this list) to the web. Legally, the church will have to provide an opt-out mechanism (in several countries besides the US). There are ways to deal with this... (1) Minimize the amount of personal information. While it would be nice to have pictures and other personal information about each scout it is not necessary. In fact, the name of the scout doesn't even need to be recorded. Simply just assign them a number. (2) Let them opt-out. If a parent doesn't want their son's information on-line then, by all means, let them opt-out. Let them track their son's progress. Like I mentioned above some parents do better than we do. (3) Have security minded folks like yourself do a complete security audit of the code. If there is a security problem then find it and let the developers know. People keep mentioning parental involvement and parental tracking. Here's a thought, it might be valuable for tithing payers to monitor their charitable donations and compare their records to the church's. If only FIS was online accessible (with appropriate security to only monitor ones own donations), then we could all go online with a great tool to assist in financial planning. This would ease a busy person's burdens and make it so they never had to go ask the ward clerk for a printout. Why is that unreasonable (to all but the most devoted techies)? Because it's money. Whenever money is involved, people get real sensitive. Why don't people share the same concern about children? Like many other people I track my bank account on-line. I pay my bills on-line. I track my stock portfolio and make stock trades on-line. Millions of people do this. The school puts my kids' grades on-line along with all the other students in our school district. I actually like to be able to look at my kids grades any time of the day or night. This keeps me in the "loop" about how my kids are doing in school. I applaud the school district for doing this. If I had to call all seven of my kids' teachers every couple of weeks to find out how they are doing in each of their classes then this would be a full-time job in itself. I am more concerned about the paper that goes into my garbage than what people can find out about me on-line. I invested in a very good paper shredder and use it constantly. I once picked up some papers than had blown out of my neighbors trash can into my yard. To my surprise it was his bank statement. I am more concerned about the financial clerk that enters my donations into FIS. Once I had our financial clerk in a former ward mention to someone else in the ward (and not the bishop) the amount of a donation that I had made. I started paying my tithing directly to the church office rather than to my ward. Of course, the main reason I do this now is the fact I use stock (and other "gifts in kind') to pay my tithing. In short, I have almost three degrees in computer engineering (I dropped out of my PhD program before I finished my dissertation to start a very successful internet company) and view myself as a very devoted techie. I don't find the idea of dealing with money on-line unreasonable. I don't find the idea of my kids' grades being posted on-line unreasonable. If the Church decided to put my donation information on-line to make my tax preparation easier then I would use that service as well. I find on-line services very useful as a responsible parent to do my job and to have more time with my family. IMHO, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking
Actually, the only parents who are that "out of the loop" are those who either choose to be or don't concern themselves enough to ask. A little "how's my son doing?" to the Scoutmaster would give a better picture. Most Scout Masters are excited to talk with parents. Posting minor children's information to the internet and trying to secure it with software that isn't secure won't really cure that. As for the $40/year and writing a new software package, that's great, I support it. My only complaint is with posting minor children's information (as discussed on this list) to the web. Legally, the church will have to provide an opt-out mechanism (in several countries besides the US). People keep mentioning parental involvement and parental tracking. Here's a thought, it might be valuable for tithing payers to monitor their charitable donations and compare their records to the church's. If only FIS was online accessible (with appropriate security to only monitor ones own donations), then we could all go online with a great tool to assist in financial planning. This would ease a busy person's burdens and make it so they never had to go ask the ward clerk for a printout. Why is that unreasonable (to all but the most devoted techies)? Because it's money. Whenever money is involved, people get real sensitive. Why don't people share the same concern about children? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:39 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Scout Tracking Steven H. McCown wrote: > > The key is that if you don't *really* have to be web-accessible, then > don't. > If it isn't web-accessible then parents continue to be largely "out of the loop" on their son's status in scouts and we continue to spend money out of our YM budgets for TroopMaster licenses. Why would we want to take the time to change to save about $40/yr? However, collectively with all the wards this could add up for the Church as a whole. We don't think collectively at the ward level, however. Therefore, $40/yr for scout tracking software can be easily budgeted for to save a headache. Each parent could have their own copy of the scout tracking software... Wrong. Installing and supporting an application on every parent's computer is impractical. We would end up fixing parent's operating system issues for the most part. Scout masters want to be scout masters and not software support specialist. IMHO, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
