[leaf-user] Leaf Developers Guide

2004-10-13 Thread Stephen More
The leaf developers guide is no longer available:
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/doc/guide/developer.rtf

Can someone update the Guides page:
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/mod.php?mod=userpagemenu=1301page_id=10


-Thanks
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Re: [leaf-user] LRP router failing? - Alcatel SpeedTouchHome (STH)DSL line-quality info

2004-10-13 Thread it
 Charles Steinkuehler wrote:

 Thinking about this some more, I'm beginning to suspect the DSL line.

 If I may, would this possibility not have been obviated when Dale
 connected a Win98 box to the line and had no loss in pings?


Thank you, Scott. I've downloaded the software and I'll give it a try
momentarily.

Update: I'm in Boise, more confused than ever. Pings from the Win98 box
(which is directly connected to the 4-port hub on the FlowPoint 2200 DSL
router) on which I'm composing this message to anywhere never drop. When I
connect the DachBox to the same DSL LAN port packets are dropped at a rate
of anywhere from 20% to 100%. Connecting my Apple laptop (OS 10.3) in the
same way packets are dropped anywhere from 0% to 50%. From the laptop, I
got results of 2%, 4%, 14%, 30%, and 50% (not in that order) when I sent
50 packets to the DSL router or to my webserver in Seattle. Also, I
connected the laptop to the DachBox via a crossover cable and dropped no
packets from the laptop to the LEAF router or from the LEAF router to the
laptop.

Before I did this testing, I completely disabled ipsec to remove that
variable.

I installed and ran tcpdump -i eth0 (the public address) not port ssh as
Peter Mueller suggested, and got a flood of results that in no way
resembled his example. I was not able to tell anything from that.

I called the ISP and a tech ran through some tests with me. He logged in
to the DSL router and sent pings to this computer when I had it connected,
and to the LEAF public address (64.113.213.14) after I hooked it back up.
Pings from the DSL router to this computer were perfect. Pings to the
DachBox dropped at a rate of 30%.

All of which told him that the problem was the LEAF router. He could not
explain why the PowerBook dropped packets as well. As he pointed out
(accurately, as far as I know) the DSL router can't tell the difference
between a packet from a *nix client and one from a Windows client. Still,
something strange is going on there.

While I was on the phone with ISP tech support, the replacement DachBox2
arrived from Seattle. I terminated that call (we'd done just about all we
could think of anyway) and I hooked up the new box. Same results. Dropped
packets all over the place. Unless we want to postulate a very untimely
double fault, I don't know what to make of that.

The bottom line to all of the above is that I'm more stumped than ever and
don't know what to do next. I suppose I'll try to replace the eth0 NIC in
the DachBox2 to try to eliminate the double fault possibility. I actually
tried to do that earlier today as well, but neither of the NICS worked
after that. When I restored the NIC I'd removed, they worked again.

I don't know how to get the ISP to seriously consider the possibility that
their connection could be at fault. They simply don't see any problem from
their end.

If possible, I'm more open than ever to any suggestion.

Dale Mirenda


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Re: [leaf-user] LRP router failing? - Alcatel SpeedTouchHome (STH)DSL line-quality info

2004-10-13 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
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If possible, I'm more open than ever to any suggestion.
You mentioned the DSL modem has a 4-port switch on it.  Are you using the 
same port for testing all machines (ie: 'doze box, firewall, and laptop)?

You problem still smells like bad infrastructure (ie: cable or port), so I'd 
start by trying to isolate the DSL modem as the problem.

If you get the same results on all ports (ie: windows works wherever you 
plug it in, and linux/Mac fail on all ports), see if you can get tomorrow's 
stock prices through the space-time wormhole surrounding your office, so at 
least we can all make some money day-trading. :-)

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Re: [leaf-user] LRP router failing? - Alcatel SpeedTouchHome (STH)DSL line-quality info

2004-10-13 Thread it
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If possible, I'm more open than ever to any suggestion.

 You mentioned the DSL modem has a 4-port switch on it.  Are you using the
 same port for testing all machines (ie: 'doze box, firewall, and laptop)?

 You problem still smells like bad infrastructure (ie: cable or port), so
 I'd
 start by trying to isolate the DSL modem as the problem.

 If you get the same results on all ports (ie: windows works wherever you
 plug it in, and linux/Mac fail on all ports), see if you can get
 tomorrow's
 stock prices through the space-time wormhole surrounding your office, so
 at
 least we can all make some money day-trading. :-)

 --
 Charles Steinkuehler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I'm on hold with the ISP tech support right now. I'm trying to get them to
explain the following:

I tried another set of ping tests from the LEAF router (the replacement
from Seattle). This time, I disconnected the DSL line from the FP2200. The
first set of 40 packets lost 5%, the second lost 10%. I waited about a
minute before sending a third set of 40 packets, and the loss rate went up
to 27%. A fourth set sent soon after lost 30%. I reconnected the DSL line
and sent another set of 40 packets. 50% loss. Subsequent tests indicated
that the connection continued to degrade until it topped out at about 85%
loss.


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RE: [leaf-user] LRP router failing? - Alcatel SpeedTouchHome (STH)DSL line-quality info

2004-10-13 Thread Peter Mueller
 The bottom line to all of the above is that I'm more stumped 
 than ever and
 don't know what to do next. I suppose I'll try to replace the 
 eth0 NIC in
 the DachBox2 to try to eliminate the double fault 
 possibility. I actually
 tried to do that earlier today as well, but neither of the NICS worked
 after that. When I restored the NIC I'd removed, they worked again.

How are you doing the test with the Linux router?  Are you using a server
behind it?  Are you connecting the private interface at all?  Please make
sure the private end is disconnected and try again if it was connected.

If the private end was disconnected, run tcpdump on the public interface and
post the results here.  You can email me directly if the results are a file
too large to post on a mailing list.

 I don't know how to get the ISP to seriously consider the 
 possibility that
 their connection could be at fault. They simply don't see any 
 problem from their end.

That's not surprising.  It's hard enough to get most ISPs to do anything when
you can tell them exactly what's wrong.  If Apple is supported, call again
and open a new ticket.  Tell them you have tried two Macintoshes (make the
LEAF results Apple results).

 If possible, I'm more open than ever to any suggestion.

Can you post the results of ifconfig after some packet loss?  Also, if you
could post an ASCII map of your network that might tell us something.  IPs
are not necessary but it wouldn't hurt to double-check all these settings on
your own.  (This has bit me a few times with all sorts of strange results).

E.g.,

--
| DSL router | - IP x.y.z.a
--
   |
-- - eth0 x.y.z.b
|LEAF|
-- - eth1 a.b.c.z
   |
--
|xSWITCHx| - 16 port linksys (or whatever)
--
   |
--
|  Clients   |
--

Regards,

P


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