Re: [leaf-user] Cable Connections
Thanks for the answers so far on this issue. Although it leaves me with questions to ask the developer rather than my friend doing some of the construction work :) Basically the information I've gotten so far is from a friend of mine who got a contract to do all the porches in this development. Currently there's only 1 house in the area & it's for the guy who will be managing the whole housing development. As far as I know, nothing else will be bulit until at least next spring. The plan is a higher end housing development, the pricing for the land itself is definately on the high end, but the people coming in from East & West Coast aren't blinking an eye at the figures for just the land. Unfortunately this tosses out the idea of the easy way of simply running CAT5 cable through an apartment complex (I've thought of doing this before also). Another idea I thought of was to set up wireless access points throughout, but that can get messy and/or complicated... however a possible idea considering it's a new toy :) As to the questions of whether he is providing the cable service or simply forwarding someone elses I don't know. More than likely either way he will be getting the cable service from Comcast (I'm not sure if Roadrunner is in that part of town or not). If anyone has any knowledge of either of these & how easy they are to deal with, please let me know. The guaranteed way to solve this is to simply dump a leaf box in each house built which might be the better way as Jim might want to set up a Quake server, but Bob doesn't want anyone even trying to connect to his computers. Either way I'm wondering if anyone has found a good place to get the necessary hardware? I was sort of hoping to find a small case just large enough to fit the hardware inside. Someone suggested I look at the shuttles, but those seem to much of a powerhouse and cash output just for a leaf box (or 20). At this point its all talk, but I'm interested in answers so I can pull this off :) Btw, is there a LEAF advocacy group or anything? I keep getting luser responses such as 'I don't have any info on my computer worth stealing, why do I need a firewall?' Not to mention I might have a media outlet... my neighbor is a news editor for one of the local news stations (can't remember whether it's fox, nbc, or what). Patrick --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel http://hpc.devchannel.org/ leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Cable Connections
I think others have mostly answered this one, but your follow-up suggests there may be a gap in the details. If the client is actually *providing* cable service himself (and not just running the wire to distribute some cable company's feed around the development), then he has to have something at the headend (the "central location" you refer to) that puts all the signals ... the local broadcast TV channels, satellite feeds, whatever he is providing ... on *his* cable. If that equipment provides a way to add an IP-baed feed to the mix, then that equipment handles the hardware requirements on the distribution side. It simply needs to accept the IP traffic from some sort of interface that the LEAF router knows about (most likely something that can connect to an Ethernet interface). To sell (or give away) Internet service, he has to get it from somewhere. It will come in as a cable feed, or a DSL line, or a DS-1 line, or whatever he buys. That incoming service will need an interface, either one that converts it to Ethernet (e.g., a cable modem) or one on the LEAF router that handles that type of connection (e.g., a Sangoma card). If those requirements are met, then a LEAF router should serve him well; just make sure you scale the hardware right for the expected traffic levels. The "converting it" issues are just hardware issues, and if you can make the connections to an i86 box, then LEAF should be able to handle it. OTOH, if he is just resistributing someone else's cable feed to the development, then what you want to do is a bit trickier, probably not doable without the cooperation of the provider. If this is the situation, give us more details. At 01:42 AM 12/10/02 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I have a possible client that's building a housing development & is providing cable service to all of the houses... I'm guessing the answer to my question is going to be no, but considering my knowledge of cable I figured I'd ask anyways... Is there a way to set up a leaf box at the central location from where the cable service is being provided to the houses? I'm guessing this would entail converting the cable internet so the firewall could deal with it & then converting it back to cable before sending it out to individual houses. I've been using Bering, but if there's already support for doing this in another distro I'm willing to learn :) -- ---"Never tell me the odds!" Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo Palo Alto, California, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Cable Connections
OK. I could be misinterpreting. I was under the assumption that the
builder is buying cable service from a provider (wholesale) then supplying
his development.
If he is playing the whole cable provider scenario, starting with the whole
'head end', then it probably gets a little more simple. Still a bit of a
cost associated with being the head-end. I would imagine that using LEAF
router to interface between backbone and higher-speed cable modem
(1000mbps?) to keep up with the 'subscribers' cable modems makes sense to
me. If, however, he IS buying cable signal from another supplier, he would
have to make some sort of arrangement to integrate with their internet
service, or block the sub-low band (where the data is) and supply his own.
OK. I'm rambling about something I am not totally familiar with and
haven't really investigated..
:-)
Cheers.
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There must be some place where the provider converts to ethernet to connect
to the Internet. Atleast before the router. Why not plug this in at that
point? Am I missing something trivial here?
Mohan
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Far from being an expert, I'm going to say 'no' right off the bat. An
educated guess would say that, yes, you could take the cable signal,
connect to a modem and then to your box. But you would have to separate
the 'sub-low' from the rest of the cable signals, re-inject them back
onto a common wire and then it gets messy. You would have to make some
arrangement where you have a separate wire to each household from your
central location. If there is equipment ready to do this, it would
probably be of prohibitive cost.
If it is a condo/apartment complex, better to run CAT5 to each residence
and use an ethernet switch.
Am I in left field here?
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Hey,
I have a possible client that's building a housing development & is
providing cable service to all of the houses... I'm guessing the answer
to
my question is going to be no, but considering my knowledge of cable I
figured I'd ask anyways...
Is there a way to set up a leaf box at the central location from where
the
cable service is being provided to the houses? I'm guessing this would
entail converting the cable internet so the firewall could deal with it
&
then converting it back to cable before sending it out to individual
houses.
I've been using Bering, but if there's already support for doing this in
another distro I'm willing to learn :)
Patrick
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RE: [leaf-user] Cable Connections
There must be some place where the provider converts to ethernet to connect to the Internet. Atleast before the router. Why not plug this in at that point? Am I missing something trivial here? Mohan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: 10 December 2002 16:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Cable Connections Far from being an expert, I'm going to say 'no' right off the bat. An educated guess would say that, yes, you could take the cable signal, connect to a modem and then to your box. But you would have to separate the 'sub-low' from the rest of the cable signals, re-inject them back onto a common wire and then it gets messy. You would have to make some arrangement where you have a separate wire to each household from your central location. If there is equipment ready to do this, it would probably be of prohibitive cost. If it is a condo/apartment complex, better to run CAT5 to each residence and use an ethernet switch. Am I in left field here? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Cable Connections Hey, I have a possible client that's building a housing development & is providing cable service to all of the houses... I'm guessing the answer to my question is going to be no, but considering my knowledge of cable I figured I'd ask anyways... Is there a way to set up a leaf box at the central location from where the cable service is being provided to the houses? I'm guessing this would entail converting the cable internet so the firewall could deal with it & then converting it back to cable before sending it out to individual houses. I've been using Bering, but if there's already support for doing this in another distro I'm willing to learn :) Patrick --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Cable Connections
Far from being an expert, I'm going to say 'no' right off the bat. An educated guess would say that, yes, you could take the cable signal, connect to a modem and then to your box. But you would have to separate the 'sub-low' from the rest of the cable signals, re-inject them back onto a common wire and then it gets messy. You would have to make some arrangement where you have a separate wire to each household from your central location. If there is equipment ready to do this, it would probably be of prohibitive cost. If it is a condo/apartment complex, better to run CAT5 to each residence and use an ethernet switch. Am I in left field here? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Cable Connections Hey, I have a possible client that's building a housing development & is providing cable service to all of the houses... I'm guessing the answer to my question is going to be no, but considering my knowledge of cable I figured I'd ask anyways... Is there a way to set up a leaf box at the central location from where the cable service is being provided to the houses? I'm guessing this would entail converting the cable internet so the firewall could deal with it & then converting it back to cable before sending it out to individual houses. I've been using Bering, but if there's already support for doing this in another distro I'm willing to learn :) Patrick --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
