Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

Du calme, du calme

I've got a cigarette paper but I don't think that I can get it between any
of us - even if you're all (me included) saying wildly different things.

To answer Sean:
"- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think
Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the
way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?-
Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and
then watch them pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring
of playing down the left rather than the right for the vast majority of
attempted attacks?"

No I (we!) don't, but I'm sure that DF was more frightened about losing
than about not winning and any money he sent his team out with that in
mind. Frustrating though it is (and watch DF shouting at the spare ref at
the end...) you can surely understand that. Let's just hope that DF
realises that faint hearts never won fair maidens and that he also knows
that success as a Leeds manager is binary. To be honest, there'll be a big
question mark against him if we don't go up as Champions even if we're 2nd
or we win the play offs.

I think that DF has been brilliant, and I love this team. I want them to
succeed and I think they will. But Sean's prognosis of a missed promotion
is spot on and we've got to accept that we're not all as optimistic as me :)

Damian

Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 17:40, Paul Cundell  a écrit :

> What an utter rewriting of history!
> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man
> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games.
> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse
> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to
> then.
> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we
> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in
> case you can't remember.
> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we
> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
> Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
> Paul
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com,  wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
> > weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to
> sell
> > if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
> > second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who
> > have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well,
> but
> > being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
> > autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
> >
> > Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some
> > other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds
> > United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier
> League
> > - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish
> > in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
> > remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
> > watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about
> > how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little
> did
> > I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or
> > nothing.
> >
> > Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
> > with a terrific squad.
> >
> > To the folks who replied to my email:
> >
> > - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
> > - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
> yesterday?
> > - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time
> > before we attacked them?
> > - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon,
> > and then watch them pass between themselves?
> > - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
> the
> > right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
> >
> > If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only
> > imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
> > p...@cundell.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have you been watching the same season as me?
> > "One long slow motion car crash"?
> > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> > A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Paul Cundell]

Not a list war, just a difference of opinion. I'm happy we've won 26 games
so far this season, some think we should have won 42. It reminds me of when
we got relegated in 2004 and people said that all they wanted was players
that gave 100%. When we got players who gave 100% they then wanted them to
be good, too. When we got players that gave 100% and were made to look
good, they wanted to change manager because the one that made the shit
players look good wasn't making them look good enough. Now, after giving
all the teams in our league a head start, we have a decent manager,  some
decent players who give 100%, we're 1 point off automatic promotion and
they still want more.
Fortunately,  Leicester & Ipswich have shit managers, too ;)

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 19:14 ,  wrote:

> Well given what’s going on now in the Middle East, thank god someone left
> the list :-)
>
> I’m pretty much on Paul’s wavelength, but I would like to have a beer with
> Farke one night so he can explain the thinking in spending most of a half
> with the ball going between Meslier/Rodon/Ampadu? By all means try and drag
> a defensive team out, spread the game etc, but it is, at times, overly
> cautious imho? I think we have the offensive capabilities to beat anyone in
> this league - if we don’t see it through and go up, I think it’s fair
> enough to wonder ‘what if’?
>
> But, we are 2nd in the league, have been on a brilliant run, and Farke has
> worked wonders in a club synonymous with chaos, and 50,000 managers!
>
> Here’s hoping Watford play as well against Ipswich as they did against us!
>
> I hope someone at the season’s end can turn around and say ‘what were you
> bloody worried about? :-)
>
>
>
> > On 10 Apr 2024, at 18:27, Robert Heath  wrote:
> >
> > Ooooh! A list war!
> >
> > We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long!
> >
>
>
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Jim Moran]

So there we are. Another game week done and we’ve gained a point on
Leicester.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 19:14, John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Well given what’s going on now in the Middle East, thank god someone left
> the list :-)
>
> I’m pretty much on Paul’s wavelength, but I would like to have a beer with
> Farke one night so he can explain the thinking in spending most of a half
> with the ball going between Meslier/Rodon/Ampadu? By all means try and drag
> a defensive team out, spread the game etc, but it is, at times, overly
> cautious imho? I think we have the offensive capabilities to beat anyone in
> this league - if we don’t see it through and go up, I think it’s fair
> enough to wonder ‘what if’?
>
> But, we are 2nd in the league, have been on a brilliant run, and Farke has
> worked wonders in a club synonymous with chaos, and 50,000 managers!
>
> Here’s hoping Watford play as well against Ipswich as they did against us!
>
> I hope someone at the season’s end can turn around and say ‘what were you
> bloody worried about? :-)
>
>
>
> > On 10 Apr 2024, at 18:27, Robert Heath  wrote:
> >
> > Ooooh! A list war!
> >
> > We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long!
> >
> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell  wrote:
> >>
> >> What an utter rewriting of history!
> >> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
> >> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a
> man
> >> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21
> games.
> >> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention
> Jesse
> >> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
> >> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have
> to
> >> then.
> >> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if
> we
> >> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
> >> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst,
> in
> >> case you can't remember.
> >> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but
> what we
> >> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
> >> Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com, 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Paul,
> >>>
> >>> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
> >>> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to
> >> sell
> >>> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
> >>> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down
> who
> >>> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well,
> >> but
> >>> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
> >>> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
> >>>
> >>> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from
> some
> >>> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for
> Leeds
> >>> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier
> >> League
> >>> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or
> finish
> >>> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
> >>> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
> >>> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach
> about
> >>> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little
> >> did
> >>> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory
> or
> >>> nothing.
> >>>
> >>> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
> >>> with a terrific squad.
> >>>
> >>> To the folks who replied to my email:
> >>>
> >>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
> >>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
> >> yesterday?
> >>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every
> time
> >>> before we attacked them?
> >>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and
> Rodon,
> >>> and then watch them pass between themselves?
> >>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
> >> the
> >>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
> >>>
> >>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can
> only
> >>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
> >>> p...@cundell.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you been watching the same season as me?
> >>> "One long slow motion car crash"?
> >>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> >>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded
> that.
> >>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> >>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Well given what’s going on now in the Middle East, thank god someone left the 
list :-) 

I’m pretty much on Paul’s wavelength, but I would like to have a beer with 
Farke one night so he can explain the thinking in spending most of a half with 
the ball going between Meslier/Rodon/Ampadu? By all means try and drag a 
defensive team out, spread the game etc, but it is, at times, overly cautious 
imho? I think we have the offensive capabilities to beat anyone in this league 
- if we don’t see it through and go up, I think it’s fair enough to wonder 
‘what if’? 

But, we are 2nd in the league, have been on a brilliant run, and Farke has 
worked wonders in a club synonymous with chaos, and 50,000 managers! 

Here’s hoping Watford play as well against Ipswich as they did against us!

I hope someone at the season’s end can turn around and say ‘what were you 
bloody worried about? :-) 



> On 10 Apr 2024, at 18:27, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Ooooh! A list war!
> 
> We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long!
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell  wrote:
>> 
>> What an utter rewriting of history!
>> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
>> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man
>> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games.
>> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse
>> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
>> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to
>> then.
>> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we
>> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
>> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in
>> case you can't remember.
>> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we
>> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
>> Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul,
>>> 
>>> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
>>> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to
>> sell
>>> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
>>> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who
>>> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well,
>> but
>>> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
>>> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
>>> 
>>> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some
>>> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds
>>> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier
>> League
>>> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish
>>> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
>>> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
>>> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about
>>> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little
>> did
>>> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or
>>> nothing.
>>> 
>>> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
>>> with a terrific squad.
>>> 
>>> To the folks who replied to my email:
>>> 
>>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
>>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
>> yesterday?
>>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time
>>> before we attacked them?
>>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon,
>>> and then watch them pass between themselves?
>>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
>> the
>>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
>>> 
>>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only
>>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
>>> p...@cundell.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have you been watching the same season as me?
>>> "One long slow motion car crash"?
>>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
>>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
>>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
>>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
>>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
>>> could end up on over 100 points.
>>> SMFH.
>>> Marching On TOGETHER!
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
 You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Robert Heath]

Ooooh! A list war!

We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long!

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell  wrote:

> What an utter rewriting of history!
> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man
> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games.
> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse
> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to
> then.
> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we
> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in
> case you can't remember.
> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we
> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
> Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
> Paul
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com,  wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
> > weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to
> sell
> > if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
> > second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who
> > have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well,
> but
> > being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
> > autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
> >
> > Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some
> > other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds
> > United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier
> League
> > - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish
> > in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
> > remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
> > watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about
> > how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little
> did
> > I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or
> > nothing.
> >
> > Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
> > with a terrific squad.
> >
> > To the folks who replied to my email:
> >
> > - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
> > - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
> yesterday?
> > - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time
> > before we attacked them?
> > - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon,
> > and then watch them pass between themselves?
> > - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
> the
> > right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
> >
> > If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only
> > imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
> > p...@cundell.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have you been watching the same season as me?
> > "One long slow motion car crash"?
> > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> > A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> > This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> > could end up on over 100 points.
> > SMFH.
> > Marching On TOGETHER!
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager
> in
> > > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
> > most
> > > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
> > winger
> > > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> > > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> > > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
> > again
> > > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
> > opportunity
> > > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> > > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves
> set
> > > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> > > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> > > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> > > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> > > terrific goals we scored earlier 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Paul Cundell]

What an utter rewriting of history!
We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man
have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games.
You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse
"Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to
then.
Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we
have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in
case you can't remember.
We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we
can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
Paul

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com,  wrote:

> Paul,
>
> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to sell
> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who
> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, but
> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
>
> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some
> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds
> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier League
> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish
> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about
> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little did
> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or
> nothing.
>
> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
> with a terrific squad.
>
> To the folks who replied to my email:
>
> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right yesterday?
> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time
> before we attacked them?
> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon,
> and then watch them pass between themselves?
> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than the
> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
>
> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only
> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
> p...@cundell.com> wrote:
>
>
> Have you been watching the same season as me?
> "One long slow motion car crash"?
> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> could end up on over 100 points.
> SMFH.
> Marching On TOGETHER!
> Paul
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> >  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
> > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
> most
> > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
> winger
> > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
> again
> > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
> opportunity
> > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
> > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> > terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> > defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders
> were
> > still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
> > would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
> > trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire 

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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

 Paul,
None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a weaker 
squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to sell if we don't 
go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the second season down) 
and have to compete with three clubs coming down who have larger parachute 
payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, but being third best in the 
league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an autobiography, he might title 
it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some other 
people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds United is a 
car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier League - a lot of good 
football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish in the Champions 
League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I remember walking out of 
the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after watching the home draw with 
ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about how the two dropped points - 
thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little did I know how much!) In other words, 
I hate almost winning. It's victory or nothing.
Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed with a 
terrific squad. 
To the folks who replied to my email:
- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think Farke got 
the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the way we allowed 
Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?- Did you enjoy 
watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and then watch them 
pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the 
left rather than the right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only 
imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
Cheers!
Sean

On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell 
 wrote:  
 
 Have you been watching the same season as me?
"One long slow motion car crash"?
We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
could end up on over 100 points.
SMFH.
Marching On TOGETHER!
Paul


On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most
> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger
> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again
> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity
> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were
> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire evident.
> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay
> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he
> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and
> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going
> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that
> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of
> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. And
> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being
> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being scouted by
> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
> second tier. Last night was an 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

H. I don't know all the ins and outs of the rules - but would we not
have risked FFP sanctions if all those players hadn't been offloaded?

With the possible exception of Tyler Adams I don't think that we've missed
any of them anyway - I can barely (ie "can't")  remember who they all were
anymore... I like our current team a lot more than I liked the team that
finished 22/23 that's for sure.

We may regret like hell the wasted first 5 or 6 games but I think there
were other reasons for that than solely the exit clauses.

As you say MOT :)

Damian



Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 14:49, Paul Cundell  a écrit :

> ...
> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> ...
> Marching On TOGETHER!
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Robert Heath]

Ha ha! Funny you should say that. He gave us a slightly generous freekick
very early on, and I foolishly said to my wife "Yes! I think I'm going to
like this ref!" How wrong I was!

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 4:22 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
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>  I actually forgot to mention the ref. Sometimes you know after 5 mins
> that the ref just isn't up to it ! That was the case with this guy and he
> really shouldn't be reffing at this level and that's nothing to do with the
> penalty that should have been. He was awful.
> However, he wasn't the reason we hardly had a shot on goal all night !
>
>
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I actually forgot to mention the ref. Sometimes you know after 5 mins that the 
ref just isn't up to it ! That was the case with this guy and he really 
shouldn't be reffing at this level and that's nothing to do with the penalty 
that should have been. He was awful. 
However, he wasn't the reason we hardly had a shot on goal all night ! 
   



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[LU] Sunderland

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

The highlight of the evening for me was discovering they serve Neck Oil on 
draught in the downstairs North East Bar. Now, don't get me wrong, Neck Oil is 
not my favourite beer and I wouldn't buy it in a Leeds pub but compared to the 
bath water they pass off as beer normally in the bars, it is bloody nectar ! 
As for the game, they came for a point and got one. They looked lively at times 
but rarely troubled us and as for us we just weren't able to break them down. 
The passing around the back is ok when you know there's an attack and a goal 
coming but when you see us not running and making opportunities up front you 
realise that something isn't quite happening at the moment. 
Give it to Jimmy is the only option. Go on Jimmy, beat 5 men and put it in the 
back of the net. He's capable of doing that now and again but not everytime he 
gets the ball. The options on the wing were limited. James has a nasty habit of 
finding an opposition shirt from a pass or cross. Is he related to Jack 
Harrison ? Rutter doesn't look right since his op. He looks a yard short and 
spends most of the time on his arse or desperately lunging around trying to 
retrieve the ball he's just lost. In midfield, we've got 2 players who are very 
similar in that they do the simple stuff well but when we're looking to create 
they can't. I thought Kamara actually had his best game for a while but he's 
not going to score or create a goal. 
So what's the problem ? Are we tired ? Has the bubble burst ? Are we running 
out of ideas ? Not sure, I think it's all a bit tense and I think we might see 
a few more weird results over the next 3 weeks. 
Scores:
Meslier - 6. Can't remember him having to do much other than a couple of simple 
saves from a free kick and a shot. 
Gray - 6. Did ok defensively although Clarke got free on one occassion. He also 
had a great run into the box but then fluffed it like he did in the first 
minutes against Coventry
Firpo - 7. I thought he was lively and arguably our best forward :)
Rodon - 6. Not his best game. Some of his passing was awful 
Ampadu - 7. Seems untroubled. 
Kamara - 7. Won some battles 
Gruev - 7. Tidy as always 
James - 4. Not in the game 
Summerville - 7. Our most lively player as always 
Bamford - 5. Worked hard but not effective 
Rutter - 4. Hit the South Stand roof a couple of times, lost the ball a lot of 
the time. Not even sure he's worth his place in the team at the moment.  
Subs: 
Joseph - I know he's done well recently but I was shocked to see his lack of 
movement when he came on. He really didn't have any impact on the game. 
Gnonto - lively. Needs to start now. 
Roberts - also made an impact 
Will we make it ? 
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Jim Moran]

There's literally no pleasing some folks.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 13:49, Paul Cundell  wrote:

> Have you been watching the same season as me?
> "One long slow motion car crash"?
> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> could end up on over 100 points.
> SMFH.
> Marching On TOGETHER!
> Paul
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> >  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
> > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
> most
> > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
> winger
> > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
> again
> > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
> opportunity
> > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
> > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> > terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> > defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders
> were
> > still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
> > would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
> > trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire evident.
> > And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay
> > bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he
> > thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested,
> and
> > we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
> > collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
> > shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going
> > up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
> > managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge
> that
> > the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of
> > the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. And
> > of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday
> being
> > exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
> > level, packed with current internationals and young talent being scouted
> by
> > the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
> > second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment.
> > This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends
> and
> > family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the
> > playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable
> > outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
> > Cheers!
> > Sean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH <
> > damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball.
> A
> > mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)
> >
> > If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
> > something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.
> >
> > However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
> > other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
> > indeed annoying.
> >
> > As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
> > Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
> > ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
> > extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
> > stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
> > It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch
> them
> > do something"...
> >
> > Damian
> >
> > Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > >
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> > > under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered,
> and
> > > have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> > > ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Nick]

Yes, indeed Paul.

Nick

> On 10 Apr 2024, at 13:48, Paul Cundell  wrote:
> 
> Have you been watching the same season as me?
> "One long slow motion car crash"?
> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> could end up on over 100 points.
> SMFH.
> Marching On TOGETHER!
> Paul
> 
> 
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most
>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger
>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again
>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity
>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were
>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire evident.
>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay
>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he
>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and
>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going
>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that
>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of
>> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. And
>> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being
>> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
>> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being scouted by
>> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
>> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment.
>> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends and
>> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the
>> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable
>> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
>> Cheers!
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH <
>> damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
>> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)
>> 
>> If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
>> something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.
>> 
>> However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
>> other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
>> indeed annoying.
>> 
>> As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
>> Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
>> ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
>> extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
>> stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
>> It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
>> do something"...
>> 
>> Damian
>> 
>> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist >> 
>> a écrit :
>> 
>>> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
>>> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
>>> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
>>> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant
>> losing
>>> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last
>> night. I
>>> actually thought 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Paul Cundell]

Have you been watching the same season as me?
"One long slow motion car crash"?
We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
could end up on over 100 points.
SMFH.
Marching On TOGETHER!
Paul


On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most
> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger
> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again
> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity
> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were
> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire evident.
> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay
> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he
> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and
> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going
> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that
> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of
> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. And
> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being
> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being scouted by
> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment.
> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends and
> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the
> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable
> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
> Cheers!
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH <
> damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote:
>
>  Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)
>
> If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
> something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.
>
> However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
> other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
> indeed annoying.
>
> As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
> Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
> ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
> extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
> stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
> It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
> do something"...
>
> Damian
>
> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist  >
> a écrit :
>
> > I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> > under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
> > have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> > ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant
> losing
> > the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last
> night. I
> > actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that
> > Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really
> looked
> > like scoring though - I was willing him to get a 

[LU] Stuart Dallas

[Nick]

Has just announced that he is retiring - the damage to his knee has proved 
irreparable.

There’s a long letter on Twitter (and I dare say, other places) where he pays 
tribute to Bielsa & Martin O’Neill, Liam Cooper, the medical team and the fans.

It's been a while coming, but still sad enough news.

https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/33309/an-open-letter-from-stuart-dallas
 



Nick
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

 You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in some 
time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most 
devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger 
(fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during yesterday's 
game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to allow them to 
exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again - so often that 
it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity for a fast break 
beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth between the centre-halves 
so that the opposition could get themselves set before we tried to move down 
the field. It was absolutely maddening.
It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and never 
getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical approach 
seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the terrific goals we 
scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of defence). Even as the 
clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were still turning on their 
heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who would then pass it sideways, 
as if we were protecting a lead rather than trying to score. There was a 
complete lack of hunger and desire evident. 
And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay 
bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he 
thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and we 
had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a collective 
performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or shortly 
thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going up against 
some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of managers, he comes 
across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that the EFL (deliberately, 
in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of the season by taking much 
longer than normal to approve the takeover. And of course we have had some 
terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being exhibit A in this regard. But 
Farke has an extraordinary squad at this level, packed with current 
internationals and young talent being scouted by the world's richest clubs, and 
he's coming up third best in England's second tier. Last night was an absolute 
indictment.
This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends and 
family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the 
playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable outcome, 
and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
Cheers!
Sean






On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH 
 wrote:  
 
 Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)

If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.

However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
indeed annoying.

As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
do something"...

Damian

Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing
> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I
> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that
> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked
> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a
> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds
> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a high and
> bag a couple soon.
>
> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding
> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back
> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to
> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a
> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for?
>
> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.
>
> I will make the point that hitting an average run of 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Damian WALSH]

Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)

If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.

However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
indeed annoying.

As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
do something"...

Damian

Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing
> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I
> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that
> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked
> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a
> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds
> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a high and
> bag a couple soon.
>
> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding
> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back
> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to
> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a
> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for?
>
> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.
>
> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the play-offs
> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a great
> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put
> Blackburn away on Satdi!
>
> MOT
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.
> >
> > Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon
> >
> > My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the
> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly
> Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the
> loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less movement
> for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the
> things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players all
> of a sudden.
> >
> > Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu
> >
> > A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.
> >
> > Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu
> >
> > Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to
> go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.
> >
> > We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of
> them will do.
> >
> > Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon
> >
> > Onto Saturday then. We can still do this.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Steve Gillen]

"We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them 
will do."

Which is what I've been saying for weeks. We Need to be in first position 
otherwise we become the sole target. To get promoted tgey only have to achieve 
second place. First would  be great but second still gets promoted. Our current 
second position with both our rival above and below having games in hand (yes I 
know games are not points) makes us a prime target for (at this moment Ipswich).

I'm pleased we are where we are, but it is a dangerously precarious place to be.

Steve

> On 10 Apr 2024, at 08:43, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty 
> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and 
> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really 
> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing 
> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I 
> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that 
> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked 
> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a 
> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds 
> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a high and 
> bag a couple soon.
> 
> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding 
> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back and 
> hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to give 
> Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a partially-sighted ref 
> , they got what they came for?
> 
> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.
> 
> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the play-offs 
> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a great 
> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put 
> Blackburn away on Satdi!
> 
> MOT
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.
>> 
>> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon
>> 
>> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the 
>> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly Gray, 
>> they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the loose 
>> ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less movement for the 
>> guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the things people 
>> tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players all of a sudden.
>> 
>> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu
>> 
>> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.
>> 
>> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu
>> 
>> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to go, 
>> there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.
>> 
>> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them 
>> will do.
>> 
>> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon
>> 
>> Onto Saturday then. We can still do this.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty 
under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and have 
just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really ineffective 
moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing the ball gets? 
I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I actually thought 
Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that Pike-lookalikey 
clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked like scoring though 
- I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a rubbish shot he didn’t 
get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds player next season, so 
really hope he can go out on something of a high and bag a couple soon.

I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding 
expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back and 
hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to give 
Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a partially-sighted ref , 
they got what they came for?

That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.

I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the play-offs are 
where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a great season 
so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put Blackburn away on 
Satdi!

MOT



Sent from my iPad

> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.
> 
> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon
> 
> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the starting 
> outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly Gray, they were 
> listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the loose ball, less 
> running into space, slower to close down, less movement for the guy with ball 
> - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the things people tried didn’t 
> come off. It doesn’t make them bad players all of a sudden.
> 
> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu
> 
> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.
> 
> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu
> 
> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to go, 
> there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.
> 
> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them 
> will do.
> 
> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon
> 
> Onto Saturday then. We can still do this.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
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[LU] Sunderland

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.

Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon

My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the starting 
outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly Gray, they were 
listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the loose ball, less 
running into space, slower to close down, less movement for the guy with ball - 
but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the things people tried didn’t come 
off. It doesn’t make them bad players all of a sudden. 

Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu

A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.

Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu

Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to go, 
there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.

We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them will 
do.

Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon

Onto Saturday then. We can still do this. 

Nick


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