Well given what’s going on now in the Middle East, thank god someone left the list :-)
I’m pretty much on Paul’s wavelength, but I would like to have a beer with Farke one night so he can explain the thinking in spending most of a half with the ball going between Meslier/Rodon/Ampadu? By all means try and drag a defensive team out, spread the game etc, but it is, at times, overly cautious imho? I think we have the offensive capabilities to beat anyone in this league - if we don’t see it through and go up, I think it’s fair enough to wonder ‘what if’? But, we are 2nd in the league, have been on a brilliant run, and Farke has worked wonders in a club synonymous with chaos, and 50,000 managers! Here’s hoping Watford play as well against Ipswich as they did against us! I hope someone at the season’s end can turn around and say ‘what were you bloody worried about? :-) > On 10 Apr 2024, at 18:27, Robert Heath <heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ooooh! A list war! > > We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long! > >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell <p...@cundell.com> wrote: >> >> What an utter rewriting of history! >> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under >> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man >> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games. >> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse >> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs! >> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to >> then. >> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we >> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being >> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in >> case you can't remember. >> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we >> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod. >> Cheer up and enjoy the ride. >> Paul >> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com, <seanscr...@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>> Paul, >>> >>> None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a >>> weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to >> sell >>> if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the >>> second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who >>> have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, >> but >>> being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an >>> autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.") >>> >>> Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some >>> other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds >>> United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier >> League >>> - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish >>> in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I >>> remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after >>> watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about >>> how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little >> did >>> I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or >>> nothing. >>> >>> Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed >>> with a terrific squad. >>> >>> To the folks who replied to my email: >>> >>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection? >>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right >> yesterday? >>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time >>> before we attacked them? >>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, >>> and then watch them pass between themselves? >>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than >> the >>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks? >>> >>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only >>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell < >>> p...@cundell.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Have you been watching the same season as me? >>> "One long slow motion car crash"? >>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year. >>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that. >>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch. >>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August. >>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team >>> could end up on over 100 points. >>> SMFH. >>> Marching On TOGETHER! >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist < >>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >>> >>>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager >> in >>>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the >>> most >>>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest >>> winger >>>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during >>>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to >>>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and >>> again >>>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the >>> opportunity >>>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth >>>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves >> set >>>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening. >>>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and >>>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical >>>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the >>>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of >>>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders >>> were >>>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, >> who >>>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather >> than >>>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire >> evident. >>>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to >> delay >>>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was >> he >>>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, >>> and >>>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a >>>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or >>>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke >> going >>>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of >>>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge >>> that >>>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start >> of >>>> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. >> And >>>> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday >>> being >>>> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this >>>> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being >> scouted >>> by >>>> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's >>>> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment. >>>> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends >>> and >>>> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the >>>> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable >>>> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United. >>>> Cheers! >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH < >>>> damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the >> ball. >>> A >>>> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :) >>>> >>>> If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to >> provoke >>>> something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time. >>>> >>>> However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into >> each >>>> other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was >>>> indeed annoying. >>>> >>>> As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"? >>>> Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely >>>> ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them >> an >>>> extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half >>>> stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never >> came. >>>> It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch >>> them >>>> do something"... >>>> >>>> Damian >>>> >>>> Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist < >>> leedslist@gn.apc.org >>>>> >>>> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a >> pretty >>>>> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, >>> and >>>>> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really >>>>> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant >>>> losing >>>>> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last >>>> night. I >>>>> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite >>> that >>>>> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really >>>> looked >>>>> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside >>> from a >>>>> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a >>> Leeds >>>>> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a >> high >>>> and >>>>> bag a couple soon. >>>>> >>>>> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - >>>> avoiding >>>>> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the >>> back >>>>> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, >>> but >>>> to >>>>> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a >>>>> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for? >>>>> >>>>> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we >>> go. >>>>> >>>>> I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the >>>> play-offs >>>>> are where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a >>>> great >>>>> season so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put >>>>> Blackburn away on Satdi! >>>>> >>>>> MOT >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon >>>>>> >>>>>> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in >> the >>>>> starting outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and >> possibly >>>>> Gray, they were listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to >>> the >>>>> loose ball, less running into space, slower to close down, less >>> movement >>>>> for the guy with ball - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All >> the >>>>> things people tried didn’t come off. It doesn’t make them bad players >>> all >>>>> of a sudden. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu >>>>>> >>>>>> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu >>>>>> >>>>>> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games >>> to >>>>> go, there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle. >>>>>> >>>>>> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one >> of >>>>> them will do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon >>>>>> >>>>>> Onto Saturday then. 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