Re: [LU] Images of Leeds - Guardian article

[Joe Skinner]

All of his books are great (but expensive and some hard to find) 

A few of his photos are in this temp ex in the tate atm 

https://www.tate.org.uk/visit/tate-britain/display/spotlights/after-industry-communities-northern-england-1960s-1980s?_kx=1MiyPpvkXxlI6IhjS72hdTsrSKCOIxdadD5RljNO0E7uLobfNU2JpJeR1CgPFkyn.MkSHV3

I think someone set up an insta for him last year and a lot of the photos are 
on there, lots of fun for people guessing streets


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Subject: [LU] Images of Leeds - Guardian article

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/jun/29/mars-rover-nasa-probes-leeds-peter-mitchells-best-photograph
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Re: [LU] Christmas 1995

[Joe Skinner]

I was living in MCR at the time, went to see the Stone Roses' come back gig at 
the Apollo the night before, great gig and night, rolled out of bed and onto 
the sofa to see Brian Deane bundle one in with his knee. 

3-1 in the end, wasn't it? 

Great weekend



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Sent: 08 July 2020 05:50
To: Ian Murray 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Christmas 1995

I was at that match over for Christmas with my in-laws.
We were in the south stand giving dogs abuse to Peter Schmeichel.
He turned around and applauded us….
It was a memorable win.

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 05:30, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> Couldnt get the lint to work. I assume this is when we beat Man Utd at Elland 
> Road?  Was it the same year they knocked us out of the FA Cup (remember 
> Yeboah scoring a scrappy goal).
> 
> I vividly remember being in bed with flu listening to the match as a 14 year 
> old.  Great times, but also scary that it is now so long ago!
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2020 5:39 AM
> To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: [LU] Christmas 1995
> 
> Meanwhile in the fetid windmills of my mind Do comment on it please.
> 
> *http://boocock.net/christmas-eve-1995-a-day-to-remember/
> *
> 
> Betty*
> *
> 
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Re: [LU] Blackburn

[Joe Skinner]

You could argue their disallowed goal was very soft Harrison wasn't fouled, he 
was dallying. 

When you look at our first goal and a lot of people say it should've been 
disallowed as well... technically hitting the post is off target but even so it 
was close until they ran out of steam.

Do we think playing 4 defenders gives the rest licence to roam better? Instead 
of playing midfielders at full back?

White was immense, even striding about up front, not panicking about defending 
knowing he had actual defenders back there.

Thought Harrison was quiet on the right. He's better on the left. Possibly 
agree that him, Costa (and Roberts) is all a bit flimsy and lightweight 
together.  

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Subject: Re: [LU] Blackburn

 Agree 100% that the keeper should have got a red for that foul, referees not 
applying the laws / rule is one of the most annoying aspects of football - I 
can accept them making mistakes but failure to apply the law should see them 
demoted Dave
On Sunday, 5 July 2020, 16:26:36 BST, seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Only one thing to disagree with here, and one thing that's missing. The 
disagreement is the 5 for Bamford, which is a bit harsh since he scored the 
all-important first goal. I'm not Bamford's biggest fan, but when a 
center-forward criticized for not taking chances actually scores, I think he 
deserves more than 5 out of 10. Bamford's also key to the incident that I was 
surprised neither you nor Dave mentioned in your match reports, which was the 
ref's inexcusable failure to send off the Blackburn keeper after he'd taken out 
Bamford. If the ref had done his job, Blackburn would have been down to ten men 
and we might have scored one or two more (with goal difference threatening to 
be important this season). The ref's lucky that the decision didn't affect the 
points, otherwise there'd have been much more heard about it, I suspect.
Cheers!
Sean



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Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2020 5:18 am
Subject: [LU] Blackburn

First 30 minutes was the most open game Leeds have been involved in this season 
and it really could have gone either way. They hit the post and had really good 
opportunites that they should have put away. But once we scored through some 
brilliant harrying from Klich there was only going to be one winer. Blackburn 
put everything into that first 45 minutes and as a result had little to offer 
in the 2nd half apart from one spectacular free kick, which was never a free 
kick in the first place, Philips was just trying to get out of the way. Our 
fitness levels are top notch and with 10 minutes to go rather than just hanging 
on for the win we continually pushed forward in wave after wave and really 
should have doubed out total. Even Douglas was crossing in the area late on. 
For me, this was by far our best performance since the restart and I think it's 
a performance that tips the momentum our way again. I think playing without 
Costa gave us a more solid look and maybe playing with Harrison and Costa 
together is too much of luxury. Meslier (silent S apparently) - 7. I thought he 
did well throughout. I worry about their goal as he his completely reliant on 
the wall when he stands that far left of the goal. It invites the taker to put 
it in top right corner and when he did, Meslier didn't even move. Compare that 
to Philips, at least their keeper was able to get across and make an effort, 
Ayling - 8. Bac kto his best, some good defence work and did well getting 
forward too. Douglas - 7. Arguably his best game for Leeds. Still unsure about 
his defensive abilities. Cooper - 8. Solid.
White - 9. Man of the match for me. Commanding with and without the ball. Luton 
was a blip. Allioski - 7. I thought he was busy and really worked hard. Could 
have had a couple himself if he had a brain when it comes to keeping on side. 
Klich - 9. I thought this was Klich at his best. His energy levels and work 
rate in that foirst half were incredible but more importantly he was creating 
chances and mking things happen. Glad he got his goal. 

Phillips - 8. Much better from Kalvin. His free kick was top drawer an 
hopefully we'll see more of these now he's bagged one. I thought he linked up 
the midfield well and worked hard. Harrison - 7. Not as involved as usual but 
certainly had his moment. Bamford - 5. I thought he was poor whether it was 
keeping onside or playing a simple pass straight to the opposition. Yes he got 
his goal and hit the post with two side footed shots but he needs to push on. 
Roberts - 5. Didn't do much.
Subs:
Hernandez - lively as always
Shack - came on and looked lively, I like Shack.
So on to Stoke, Thursday at 5pm , how fecking stupid is that ? 






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Re: [LU] excellent result

[Joe Skinner]

Harrison’s crosses are good - well, the best at the club. 

At least he gets the ball in with his correct foot, no one else does!

A bit like picking your favourite dog shit, I know

Corners are pointless, how many have we scored from? 2? 

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> On 12 Feb 2020, at 10:17, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> Rich said,
> 'Philips - 8 Mr Average was superb tonight, really controlling the game. He 
> got outrun by Silva in the first 5 minutes but then he took control.
> Dallas  8 - was superb at left back (as good as he was early season at right 
> back) and his link up play with Harrison was outstanding.
> Ayling  8 I would have dropped him tonight but arguable that's was his best 
> performance of the season.
> I thought the disappointments were:
> Kiko - 2. How many more schoolboy errors can a player make ?
> Costa-5. I thought he worked hard especially first half but every time he got 
> the ball he lost out and didn't capitalise on great positions. He should have 
> scored second half. For me, he hasn't produced yet.
> Lord Bamford - 5 some people on RL saying they thought he played well. He was 
> shit.
> Big Kev 0  he's got a fat arse and obviously not fit. I think I'd give him a 
> run over 100 metres. We've bought an unfit player. What a fuck up losing 
> Eddie.'
> 
> Pretty much agree.  Phillips was excellent.  Dallas's best performance at 
> left back,  Ayling good against a good opponent, even if his delivery was a 
> bit off.
> 
> I'll forgive Harrison his poor decision-making in the last 3rd because his 
> strength, skill and tenacity in the other parts of the pitch are excellent.  
> I can't say the same for Costa.  For much of the game you might as well pass 
> the ball straight to the opposition, and he doesn't make up for it with 
> capitalising when the chances come. The times when I applaud him during a 
> game are few and far between.  The annoying thing is that Bielsa does have 
> options to play someone else, even if it means a bit of a shuffle.
> 
> Unfortunately there is no option to Bamford.  He may do some unselfish work, 
> but he is just a shit footballer, with practically none of the attributes a 
> striker at this level should have.  Week after week we see better Centre 
> Forwards against us.  I'm sure he makes Harrison's crosses look worse than 
> they are.  Chris Wood was no quicker, and no more skilfull.  OK he was a 
> bigger bloke, but he also had the instincts to find the gaps and get on the 
> end of stuff.
> 
> Still it was a good point in the end, now we have to see how they break down 
> a team who will sit behind the ball for 90 mins on Sat, and hope to get one 
> chance.
> 
> KOT.
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Augustin

[Joe Skinner]

I wasn’t exactly impressed 

Early days I know, came on late

Had 3 touches?

Got tackled or muscled off it twice, fell over once

Didn’t get near a header 

Looked a bit slow!

Keep the faith i guess

But the bullet with lutv for a tenner

Anyone know how much the weekly one is? Because I have the £1:week radio one it 
won’t let me change or upgrade or even show me how much it is

Maybe because the match had started 

They’re a bit shit, they charge in the off season and charge me for the radio 
when I paid for the video as well 

Mustn’t grumble 

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> On 12 Feb 2020, at 21:08, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> I’d love to be proved wrong, but he’s no Tony Yeboah! 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 12 Feb 2020, at 12:57, Tim Whelan via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Viduka had a big arse. Which proved useful one day when he turned his back 
>> on the West Ham keeper who was trying to clear a backpass. Inevitably he 
>> found Viduka's arse much too large an obstacle to get the ball round, 
>> leaving Viduka the simple task of turning round to put the ball into the net.
>>   On Wednesday, 12 February 2020, 12:42:06 GMT, Robert Heath 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> He certainly does have a big arse. Is he unfit, or does he just have a big
>> arse? Jimmy Floyd and Yeboah also had big arses. (So did Fred Trueman.) I
>> wonder if he can hit (bowl) a ball like they could?
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Re: [LU] oh dammit

[Joe Skinner]

Can someone remind me why the 'keeper is in the team again?

I know everyone makes mistakes but FFS

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of N If
Sent: 11 February 2020 20:17
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] oh dammit

not fair

was just wishing, minute 24, that phillips, pablo, klich, dallas, harrison, 
maybe even ayling and costa - who have all been able to shoot in the past, 
would do a noorgardghtght and just shoot, when seconds later, casilla...oh dear 
oh dear oh dear.
better team once and once again..

COME ON LEEDS.

just get it in the net
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Joe Skinner]

They’d played more games, including an FA cup game that weekend against PL oppos

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> On 9 Feb 2020, at 22:37, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we flattered to deceive against Millwall. Second half they really 
> fell apart and looked exhausted for some reason. Now it seems that may have 
> been a one-off?
> Nick
>On Sunday, February 9, 2020, 06:52:02 AM EST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I think this was the only time I've watched Leeds this season and thought 
> that to a man they were poor. Poor passing, poor control, poor set pieces ... 
> eveything was poor. I do think Harrison's final ball is poor 75% fhe time but 
> how do explain some of those misplaced passes last night ? How do you explain 
> the throwing from Ayling straight into touch, how do you explain Costa who 
> beat his man everytime against Millwall not managing to do that once ?
> Yes, they're a big awkward, championship team and we saw that at Elland Road. 
> Little ability but they've got height and have a manager who promotes a hard 
> work ethic. So I think they are difficult opposition for a passing team like 
> us but that does not excuse some of our play. 
> It certainly doesn't excuse our keeper, who is now makng schoolboy errors on 
> a weekly basis. Beaten at his near post twice recently is criminal for a 
> keeper reportedly pulling in top wages. We've seen Meslier against Arsenal 
> and know he can do a job and I liked the look of the lad who played for the 
> U23s on Friday night. Get one of them in for Brentford. 
> One thing nobody has discussed is Bielsa and his tactics. Playing Ayling at 
> centre back and White as holding midfield player. What the fuck ? If we're 
> absolutely going to insist we have to play every fucking game with a holding 
> midfielder then surely we've got a midfielder at the club who can play that 
> positiion in Philips's absence ? Yes Bielsa will point out that his second 
> person for that role in his inflexible 2 players per position rule is long 
> term injured (Forshaw) so why the fuck haven't we brought someone in during 
> the transfer window to do that role and cover Philips ? Rather than bring in 
> another winger who can't get in the team and a forward who is not fit ? It's 
> madness and Bielsa and his narrow minded obsessions are beginning to get on 
> my tits.
> Yes, we've seen White stroll though the midfield and play some decent balls 
> but what from that tells you he can play midfield ? He's a fucking centre 
> back, our best centre back, and Bielsa makes a decision to play the most 
> important game of our season with a right back at centre back and our best 
> centre back in midfield ? Totally naive football management that I would 
> expect from Kevin Blackwell and the Hock but not the great Bielsa, the 
> masterful tactician and the bloke who has won fuck all and looks like winning 
> fuck all at Leeds. 
> Rant over, but I was livid last night. Some of White's contributions last 
> night were terrible and I felt sorry for the lad. 
> We're struggling, I think Bielsa is struggling but we're still there and we 
> still have to believe.  
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Re: [LU] Goals

[Joe Skinner]

Camped in their half with purpose!

Missed the first 25mins of the first half, probably a good thing

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On 28 Jan 2020, at 21:08, Mark 
mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Well, we’re not boring to watch,

Cheers
Mark


From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:52:54 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Goals

Eddie scored for arsenal last night...

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> On 28 Jan 2020, at 20:51, Michael Benjamin 
> mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
>
> Oh yes it can
>
> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of Mark mailto:wiscole...@hotmail.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:48:19 PM
> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: [LU] Goals
>
> Where are the goals coming from? Ayling, Costa, Cooper?
> May as well see if the City kid can score. It can’t get any worse.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
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Re: [LU] Goals

[Joe Skinner]

Eddie scored for arsenal last night...

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> On 28 Jan 2020, at 20:51, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> Oh yes it can
> 
> Dr. Michael Benjamin
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:48:19 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Goals
> 
> Where are the goals coming from? Ayling, Costa, Cooper?
> May as well see if the City kid can score. It can’t get any worse.
> 
> Cheers
> Mark
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Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?

[Joe Skinner]

Please not White there again

IS Forshaw injured? Not that I rate him or Klich that highly, more that central 
mid is their natural position.
 
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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via 
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Sent: 24 January 2020 04:17
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
Subject: Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?

 Well it was his idea to go lunging in needlessly and deprive us of his 
majestic play so maybe we might have to play another way rather than another 
square peg in a round hole.
Nick
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 09:50:23 PM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 I hate to break this 
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Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?

[Joe Skinner]

I find it all a bit bizarre but above my pay grade

There are things we’ll never know

After last season’s optimism I’ve gone for total negativity this season in the 
flawed hope I’ll be proved wrong and we get an automatic spot

Our collapse could have been much worse, West Brom has their own and are only a 
point ahead, other teams haven’t quite made the gap up 

As usual, some team will go on a run and put some distance between 3rd and some 
random team will get into the play offs

Someone may even catch 2nd

We could regroup and pull away, we only have the league to focus on 

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> On 23 Jan 2020, at 09:37, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> Not  seen many messages recently.   Was expecting lots about the QPR debacle, 
> and the lack of progress in the transfer market.
> 
> I've got this theory that the current management team don't have enough 
> experience of the English transfer system/market.
> Over the last couple of years the current management team have only managed 
> to sign 4 established players.
> Douglas, Bamford, Casilla and Costa (loan to buy?).
> 
> I know Financial sustainability is an issue, but they have offloaded 
> something like 30 players  over this period and made a transfer profit of 
> over 15 million.
> 
> I'm not sure if it is the culture they don't  understand, or they are going 
> for unrealistic targets.  They  seem to be able to get youngsters from all 
> around Europe by the bucket-load, but nobody seemingly is suitable for the 
> 1st team.
> 
> The idea of being able to sign one of the better Championship players is 
> flawed for so many reasons, especially in January.
> 
> 1.   Clubs do not want to sell to their rivals.
> 
> 2.   The club and the player  know they can get much more money from a 
> Premiership Club, even if they end up not playing much, so a Championship 
> club will always be outbid!
> 
> 3.   Premiership players will not take a wage drop to sign permanently in 
> the Championship, and their clubs will not  send them out on loan if they 
> need the 'readies' for a replacement.
> 
> The summer window is a bit different, because players will  take stock more 
> of where they are in their careers, and you are more likely to get a player 
> out of contract, or dropping down a division because he wants to play.
> 
> The alternative is to find a player from a lower league, whose club can't 
> resist the money, or from Europe somewhere, but of course you are taking a 
> big chance.
> 
> If they are going to sign one of  the players they have been after seriously 
> such as Andre Gray or  Che Adams, then they are going to have to pay the 
> extortionate sums that are being asked.  It  would have been much cheaper to 
> have put Roofe on pay parity with Bamford for a couple of years.
> 
> KOT
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] QPR

[Joe Skinner]

I know I’m negative but you can stick a fork in this season, we’re done - the 
parallels are just too close to not say it won’t happen again

Even if we sign a striker or forward who can score, how long to get him up to 
speed?

Midfield was non existent - again - this game



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> On 18 Jan 2020, at 14:43, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> It is all going wrong again Hard not to be paranoid when see foul on Costa 
> not given as penalty and then ref and lino both missing it hitting both his 
> handsAdded to Fulham and millwall wrongly given penalties and non penalty on 
> Bamford v brentford it is no wonder we lose in London Having said all that, 
> we are our own worse enemy, you can't afford to miss penalties and  when that 
> miss is added to our other chances and half chances missed it is our own 
> fault we lost
> We are now in freefall a d we need something big to stop the slide- noth  a 
> real crowd lifting addition and then good wins at home v Millwall and Wigan, 
> fail to do both these and fans patience will run out and the crowd will turn
> Stupid by Phillips but sums us up, we make the same errors week after week 
> and never seem to learn
> 12? point gap could soon be down to 3 
> Dave - feeling gutted
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Re: [LU] Hoodoo

[Joe Skinner]

He agreed he needed another striker (or forward) then when asked if he was 
going to do anything about it, said no

Take from that what you will!

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> On 14 Jan 2020, at 12:46, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry  guys, but I think I might be the hoodoo here.
> 
> My last 5 home games have been.  Wigan, Derby (PO), Swansea, Blackburn and 
> Sheff Wed.
> Not a great record.
> 
> FWIW I thought the crowd were with them for 65 mins before the nerves started 
> to show, and you have to say they have good reason to get nervous!
> 
> I thought Bielsa's subsitutions were a bit odd, in that I'd have taken Costa 
> off for Alioski.  Douglas may lack a bit of pace, but his positional sense 
> and decisions on when to go in and challenge are much better IMO.  Why not 
> keep it a bit more secure on the left and try Harrison on the right, where he 
> had some success v Arsenal?
> 
> Costa and Bamford are 2 that have just not done it often enough.  Giving the 
> ball to Costa is as good as giving it away 4 times out of 5, and there are 
> just too many things  that Bamford cannot do (including put the ball in the 
> net) to make up for his hard work alone.
> 
> The thinness (sic) of the squad doesn't do Bielsa any favours though.  Only 2 
> people injured on Saturday, and we were relying on the completely untried 
> Stevens to come on and turn the game.  A squad should be able to cope with 2 
> players missing from any department and 3-4 out in total and still have 
> strong options.  Shackleton may be back on the bench, but won't be up to 
> speed. Nor will Roberts or Forshaw to play a meaningful part for some time
> 
> Is even Bielsa coming round to thinking he needs a couple of players?  I 
> think we need 3 or 4.  Striker, No 10 and put Hernandez back on the right, 
> Centre Back and Defensive midfielder if Forshaw is not back in time for the 
> Millwall game.
> 
> If the management are going to get anyone in, then they have to show a bit 
> more acumen in wheeling and dealing then they or the previous lot have been 
> able to do up to now.  All they seem to be able to sign with regularity is 
> players under 20, with no first team experience.
> 
> KOT.
> 
> 
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[LU] kinda fun review of last night

[Joe Skinner]

> 
> I thought we did everything but score in the first half. Not laying the blame 
> at anyone but we seemed to be doing an Arsenal and trying to walk it in, one 
> off the bar notwithstanding 
> 
> The only difference seemed to be that that had another gear to go through
> 
> Not that gutted we went out, league is a priority this season after all - 
> presume that’s why he rested a few
> 
> We showed we could maybe belong - who knows how we could be with ‘better’ 
> players
> 
> Let’s not forget we had a very mediocre or poor league 1 and championship 
> side when bielsa came
> 
> Impressed with the keeper as someone else said
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2020, at 09:28, Nick  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/06/bielsa-ball-leeds-run-riot-normal-service-arsenal
>> 
>> Nick
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Re: [LU] Hull

[Joe Skinner]

I'm not suggesting we hoof it in the slightest. In fact, the total opposite. 

The final pass is often poor and a lot of the short smaller ones go astray but 
I don't really care. I like that we play football and, more often than not, 
play it forward. I think the passes are quicker than some of the players 
physically and we are sometimes over elaborate. Again, I don't really care. It 
works. 

There's a time for long passing, in fact a few recent goals have come from 
that. It's part of the fast counter-attack.

I hate possession for possession's sake. Like the Barca of old, or Spain. We 
don’t do that. It's more of a possession with purpose. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 13:55
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

I don't know what game you were watching if what you took away for the 
performance was this report, particularly that we "hoof it!!!" 

592 passes 81% completion.  I think you have to take into account the type of 
passes we are attempting, to feet or onto runners out out from the back under 
pressure, doesn't always work, but almost always it’s a positive pass, rather 
than just to get rid.  

And when we do mis pass, we are onto it immediately and as often as not recover 
the ball.  I just can't understand how people can slate our passing 
(terrible/shocking/woeful), but it's probably down to my misfortune of not 
being born in Yorkshire.


-Original Message-
From: Joe Skinner  
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:46
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: RE: [LU] Hull

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 


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Re: [LU] Hull

[Joe Skinner]

The thing that seems different this season - as it's gone on - is that it 
doesn’t really matter who plays where, everyone else knows what to do and how. 

The passing was pretty terrible at times but it tires the opposition out 
mentally and physically and also I'd rather see us attempt passing than hoof 
it, although there is a time and a place. I like that they try little flicks 
and lay offs. 

Even when we come under pressure - last 2-3 games, say - everyone seems 
relatively comfortable, there's none of that panic we saw last season at times

Probably uncoincidentally, the 'Keeper has improved his catching a little but 
his saves a lot more. His kicking has gone to shite but so what?

Maybe no more White in midfield... 

Corners are terrible, stick to the short ones. 

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 December 2019 11:38
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Hull

> Klich - 6. Lots of running but little end product.  

Apart for the 80 yrd run for the 2nd goal.

>  Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for Leeds. First to 
> every ball and didn't give their guys a > kick at times.

Obvs agree, the thing is he's a little lad, but can out jump someone 6 inches 
taller. 100% committent, 100% Leeds, 100% improved.

> Harrison - 5. Ok, I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't 
> think this lad is good enough. His final >ball nearly always disappoints (ok 
> not always e.g. Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He 
> also >rarely beats his man.

Very harsh, I think he's a very good trapper of the ball and a decent crosser 
and dribbler, again he's improved this season and it's a toss up between him 
and Alioski.

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: 11 December 2019 11:20
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Hull

This match took a similar pattern to a lot of recent matches in that we had all 
the possession but failed to convert due to terrible final balls particularly 
on the right side. I thought Hull liked lively especially for 15 minutes in the 
2nd half when I think they took control but we managed to limit them to a few 
chances. Here's my scores:
Kiko - 8. You've got to hand it to the lad he's put last season behind him and 
now looks the part. Point blank saves to keep us in front in the last two 
games. Ayling - 7. Having suggesting dropping him in place of Dallas on the 
right, I have to admit he's played really soldidly recently and actually looked 
good going forward. Berardi -9. I thought that was possibly his best game for 
Leeds. First to every ball and didn't give their guys a kick at times.
White - 8. Solid as usual against tricky Hull attackers. Dallas - 8. 
Defensively did well. Philips - 7. Some good work. Got caught in possession 
once first half but got away with it. Hernandez - 7. Great pass to Costa for 
the goal and he was busy as usual. There was also a fair number of passes that 
went astray as usual. I like his corners better than Philips. Costa - 7. Looks 
lively and I like the way he moves across the grass and creates space. Needs an 
end product though and by that I don't mean a deflected OG Harrison - 5. Ok, 
I'm going to be slightly controversial here and say I don't think this lad is 
good enough. His final ball nearly always disappoints (ok not always e.g. 
Huddersfield) but he usually fails to find a white shirt. He also rarely beats 
his man. Bamford - 6. Worked hard but should have scored. Klich - 6. Lots of 
running but little end product.
Subs:
Allioski -9. Superb. I think he's a great little player and his crossing is so 
much better than Harrisons. 
 


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Re: [LU] Reading

[Joe Skinner]

Pace as well. It’s all right pinging balls forward but he runs with it and 
people shit themselves although slightly bizarrely all the threat second half 
came from the right wing 

Not sure what formation we were playing second half

Thought Phillips had his work cut out today, one lad had him on toast for a 
bit, not sure he had much help though, in fairness

Maybe the 2 things above are related?

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> On 26 Nov 2019, at 22:50, "ni...@sykesonline.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Yep. I agree pretty much 100%
> 
> Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
> (crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody 
> else in the team seems to consider (apart from White).   And that attitude is 
> thankfully infectious.
> 
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard walker 
> via Leedslist
> Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Reading
> 
> All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially 
> first half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of 
> passing a ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real 
> knack of passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. 
> Roberts didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the 
> best thing that happened. 
> 
> Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for 
> the awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a 
> great break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to 
> head home ( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the 
> game.
> 
> Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.
> 
> Casilla - 7 some decent saves.
> 
> Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half 
> as much as Dallas going forward or the right.
> 
> Cooper - 7 solid
> 
> White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.
> 
> Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for 
> a rest.
> 
> Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
> was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.
> 
> Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.
> 
> Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit 
> the bar.
> 
> Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.
> 
> Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.
> 
> Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured
> 
> Subs
> 
> Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference
> 
> Costa - 7 his best performance so far
> 
> Shack - on for a couple of minutes.
> 
> Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

[Joe Skinner]

Neither of them sound like great games... 


They came they saw and they did nothing

Staff Reporter 11 Aug 1995 00:00

SOCCER: Andy Capostagno

If it’s August, can the English soccer season be far behind? Sad, but true, 
alas. And if you don’t think it’s sad you obviously didn’t see Leeds United’s 
two contributions to the United Bank Challenge.

At Loftus Versfeld, Mamelodi Sundowns outplayed the Yorkshire Monoliths, but 
only won 1-0 thanks to some typically English defending which stopped just a 
little way short of open brutality. At Ellis Park three days later, a Leeds 
side with four changes reinvented itself to the extent that it managed all of 
three shots on target in 90 minutes of goalless action, if action is the right 
word, with Benfica.

It was a match for which the word cynical might have been invented.
Two sides who had each been paid R1,5 million just to turn up, wandered around 
Ellis Park like models on the catwalk, afraid to break into a sweat in case it 
stained their designer shirts. Leeds’ most fluent movement began in the Benfica 
18 yard box and a few perfect passes later ended in the hands of their own 
goalkeeper. English football, reversing into the future.

“We were afraid of the altitude”, said Leeds captain Gary McAllister. “We were 
all breathless after Thursday’s game so we had to slow it down today”.

“The uneven pitch made ball control very difficult”, said Leeds manager Howard 
Wilkinson “But one has to expect that on a rugby pitch”. Leeds, of course, know 
nothing of such conditions, as Elland Road only hosts rugby-league matches and 
it is well known that the divots made by the union game are far worse than 
those in league.

Fortunately the sponsors’ blushes were saved by a vibrant main match between 
Sundowns and Kaizer Chiefs. Kenny Niemach, the goal scorer against Leeds, got 
two this time as Sundowns ran their oppo- ents ragged with the kind of constant 
movement that the English game is supposed to be famous for. Thankfully there 
was a generous helping of skill, something that the English game is not famous 
for.

United Bank have tried and failed for three years to get foreign clubs to 
reproduce their best form within South Africa and now must be the time to say 
enough is enough. Leeds were in the country for less than five days, saw  
nothing of it, contributed nothing to either their matches or the development 
programme and left weighted down with money. Sundowns earned a tenth as much as 
Leeds for winning the competition.

The isolation years are over and it is no longer necessary to anaesthetise the 
conscience of visitors with large injections of cash.

Foreign clubs should be paying their own money to come and enjoy the kind of 
facilities, weather and support that provide perfect pre-season warm-ups.

It is time, too, to put away our blinkered regard for English football. For 
about six years after England won the World Cup in 1966 the English first 
division could consider itself a world leader.

Since then it has produced a handful of truly talented players, most of whom 
were forced to go abroad to have their abilities appreciated.

Every team in the NSL has at least one player worth the entrance money to watch.

We should be concentrating on developing those players, not spending precious 
funds to bring over pin-headed bores like Leeds United.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Dawn Weyers
Sent: 26 November 2019 15:07
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

Had to come out of lurk mode for this.

I  was at the game at Ellis Park. The football was s*1t - the only thing I can 
clearly remember was our bloke huffing and puffing up and down the wing. I 
think it was Worthington but I'm not going to lose sleep if I'm wrong.

The best part of that evening was going to an all you can eat rib joint (don't 
pardon the pun) with a couple we'd met from Zimbabwe after the match. We 
decided we'd have our own international event and see who could eat the most 
ribs.

England vs Zimbabwe - should have been a walk over but sadly we had to call it 
a draw - it was late and the restaurant owners wanted to close up and go 
home.so they kicked us out.

Still have a Leeds flag from that night gathering dust and moth holes somewhere 
in the house. Memories.

Dawn
possibly the only botl still on the list ??



On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 15:58, Joe Skinner 
wrote:

> Looks like the only time we played in Africa was this weird tournament 
> - maybe it was a scratch game?
>
> United Bank Challenge: Semi-Final
> 27-07-1995
> Mamelodi Sundowns (n)
> 0-1 (L)
> Team
> 45,000
> Neimach (89')
>
>
> Half-Time 0-0. Played at Loftus Versfelt Stadium, Pretoria, South Africa.
> United Bank Challenge: 3rd Place Play-off
> 30-07-1995
> Benfica (n)
> 0-0 (L) (Leeds lost 5-6 on penalties)
>
> Team
> Half-Time 0-0. Played at El

Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

[Joe Skinner]

I was thinking Frank Worthington for a minute, had forgotten about Nigel.
Jeez, Pemberton and Tinkler. Reminds me of when I went semi regularly and 
played the mid/late versions of championship manager when we had Rush and a 
faded Yeboah.
It just needed Willem Korsten and Pierre Laurent to give me a proper flashback. 
Big Bobby Molenaar and Robert Hiden. Alan Maybury and George Graham’s dogs of 
war.
30-07-95: Benfica (n) 0-0 (Leeds lost 5-6 on penalties) (HT 0-0) Crowd (?)
Shirt No.
Player Name
Goals Scored
1.
Beeney, Mark
2.
Kelly, Gary
3.
Worthington, Nigel
4.
Tinkler, Mark
5.
Pemberton, John
6.
Wetherall, David
7.
Wallace, Rod
8.
Deane, Brian
9.
Yeboah, Tony
10.
McAllister, Gary
11.
Speed, Gary
Andy Gray replaced Mark Tinkler at Right Half and Noel Whelan came on for Rod 
Wallace at Outside Right. John Lukic, Phil Masinga, Lee Sharpe and Andy Couzens 
were the unused substitutes for Leeds. David Wetherall received his marching 
orders in the second half, which made United's already difficult task, even 
harder. The game went to penalties and both teams converted the first five but 
after a long delay Noel Whelan hit United's sixth attempt against the crossbar. 
In the final Mamelodi Sundowns beat Kaiser Chiefs 3-0.





-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: 26 November 2019 15:34
To: Dawn Weyers 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish



Cool! Was it preseason?



When the guy was telling me I just had visions of Dylan Kerr getting a run  out



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> On 26 Nov 2019, at 15:06, Dawn Weyers 
> mailto:earthn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> Had to come out of lurk mode for this.

>

> I  was at the game at Ellis Park. The football was s*1t - the only

> thing I can clearly remember was our bloke huffing and puffing up and

> down the wing. I think it was Worthington but I'm not going to lose

> sleep if I'm wrong.

>

> The best part of that evening was going to an all you can eat rib

> joint (don't pardon the pun) with a couple we'd met from Zimbabwe

> after the match. We decided we'd have our own international event and

> see who could eat the most ribs.

>

> England vs Zimbabwe - should have been a walk over but sadly we had to

> call it a draw - it was late and the restaurant owners wanted to close

> up and go home.so they kicked us out.

>

> Still have a Leeds flag from that night gathering dust and moth holes

> somewhere in the house. Memories.....

>

> Dawn

> possibly the only botl still on the list ??

>

>

>

> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 15:58, Joe Skinner

> mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

>> Looks like the only time we played in Africa was this weird

>> tournament - maybe it was a scratch game?

>>

>> United Bank Challenge: Semi-Final

>> 27-07-1995

>> Mamelodi Sundowns (n)

>> 0-1 (L)

>> Team

>> 45,000

>> Neimach (89')

>>

>>

>> Half-Time 0-0. Played at Loftus Versfelt Stadium, Pretoria, South Africa.

>> United Bank Challenge: 3rd Place Play-off

>> 30-07-1995

>> Benfica (n)

>> 0-0 (L) (Leeds lost 5-6 on penalties)

>>

>> Team

>> Half-Time 0-0. Played at Ellis Park, Johannesburg, South Africa.

>>

>>

>> http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_friendlies/leeds_united_tournamen

>> t_details/leeds_united_tournament_details.php

>>

>> http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_friendlies/index.php

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -Original Message-

>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Robert

>> Heath

>> Sent: 26 November 2019 13:38

>> To: Matt Anderson mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>>

>> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>

>> Subject: Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

>>

>> Not helpful at all, but for what' it's worth I bet I'm the only

>> lister who was in the crowd when Leeds played Morocco in Casablanca

>> in about 1981. It was in the era when our team was packed with shit

>> players whose name began with H.Hird, Hamson, Hart etc. Dreadful 
>> game...ended 0-0.

>>

>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:19 AM Matt Anderson

>> mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> I was talking to an old work colleague who used to live in Zambia.

>>> Apparently a Leeds team came to Lusaka and played a local team. My

>>> colleague was in goal for them and they lost 4-0 to a Leeds United

>>> representative team.

>>>

>>> I had a look on Google but couldn’t find anything.

&

Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

[Joe Skinner]

Looks like the only time we played in Africa was this weird tournament - maybe 
it was a scratch game? 

United Bank Challenge: Semi-Final
27-07-1995
Mamelodi Sundowns (n)
0-1 (L)
Team
45,000
Neimach (89')


Half-Time 0-0. Played at Loftus Versfelt Stadium, Pretoria, South Africa.
United Bank Challenge: 3rd Place Play-off
30-07-1995
Benfica (n)
0-0 (L) (Leeds lost 5-6 on penalties)

Team
Half-Time 0-0. Played at Ellis Park, Johannesburg, South Africa.

http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_friendlies/leeds_united_tournament_details/leeds_united_tournament_details.php

http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/leeds_friendlies/index.php




-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 26 November 2019 13:38
To: Matt Anderson 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Old ore season tour in 92ish

Not helpful at all, but for what' it's worth I bet I'm the only lister who was 
in the crowd when Leeds played Morocco in Casablanca in about 1981. It was in 
the era when our team was packed with shit players whose name began with 
H.Hird, Hamson, Hart etc. Dreadful game...ended 0-0.

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:19 AM Matt Anderson 
wrote:

> I was talking to an old work colleague who used to live in Zambia.
> Apparently a Leeds team came to Lusaka and played a local team. My 
> colleague was in goal for them and they lost 4-0 to a Leeds United 
> representative team.
>
> I had a look on Google but couldn’t find anything.
>
> Anyone have any recollection of this game taking place. He has press 
> clippings but doesn’t give any details of who played fir us.
>
> Assume it was either kids or reserves and possibly tied to the signing 
> of Lucas and Phil and some South African tour maybe
>
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Re: [LU] Jon Abbott/Jabba - anyone have contact with him?

[Joe Skinner]

He’s active on Twitter, pretty easy to find

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> On 7 Nov 2019, at 18:33, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> Need to get in touch about some domains
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Re: [LU] Astonishing

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Alioski got in the way!

He was the bright spot of the day, that and cooper back in action 



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> 
> Ben White made a mistake today.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Preston

[Joe Skinner]

I don't think Harrison's crossing is bad - I actually think it's pretty good 
most of the time, it's quick at least - the issue is there's no one on the end 
of them. 

That's not his fault. That's the team shape and make-up. 

The crosses from the right are pretty non-existent in comparison. As you might 
expect, with a central midfielder playing wide right, or an international 
winger who plays right back for his club pushed wide right. 

Not sure what Costa's 'correct' position is. 

I didn't catch the Preston game and I gave up on the Brum-cast from someone's 
living room, so not talking specifics, just generalities. 

-Original Message-----
From: Simon McNally  
Sent: 24 October 2019 16:04
To: Joe Skinner 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston

I’d go along with that. I don’t think it’s that’s we’ve been found out, just 
that teams have developed a way of playing against us that they know will keep 
them in the game, particularly if we keep missing tons of chances. 
I also think our crossing has been worse this year, especially compared to the 
early part of last season. Someone was telling me that Harrison has the most 
chances created in the division but this must be due to the sheer volume of 
times he gets the ball out wide - his completion percentage must be awful. Part 
of it though, is the difference between Bamford and Roofe. I lost count at the 
weekend of the number of times a cross went in and Bamford was just behind it 
or just behind a defender. I don’t think his movement in the box is good enough.
We still look confident in possession in deeper areas but lack something up 
front. I’d rather see Douglas have a run of games - I think it’s hard to judge 
him on the odd late cameo in games. If you think back to the West Brom game 
last season, Roberts was amazing at ten. Could he start a game there? I think 
we need someone in the final third who is going to run at defenders at pace and 
scare them. If Costa isn’t doing it, why not Clarke for a few games?
Eddie has to start on Saturday though

S

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> On 24 Oct 2019, at 13:25, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> Last season we had a different forward (Roofe) who scored some scrappy and 
> late goals/winners
> 
> Not to say he could only do that. Different type of player to Bamford.  
> 
> Saiz for half a season reduced the creative burden on Pablo. 
> 
> Alioski played as a left sided forward for more games, than left back as he 
> is nominally now.   
> 
> Whilst the majority of the team are the same - this season they don't seem as 
> fresh. Not sure I buy into the high intensity = burnout theory that most were 
> peddling but once thing is certain, we are not a 'new' thing for people to 
> play against.
> 
> Everyone knows how we play now. Literally week in week out it is the same 
> team/formation, home and away.  Even the laziest manager can see us on TV 
> every week almost. 
> 
> Not sure what's going on with Clarke this season.
> 
> I think the 'failure' last season took it out on some players, mentally at 
> least.
> 
> You can't do much about injuries. 
> 
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Re: [LU] Preston

[Joe Skinner]

Last season we had a different forward (Roofe) who scored some scrappy and late 
goals/winners

Not to say he could only do that. Different type of player to Bamford.  

Saiz for half a season reduced the creative burden on Pablo. 

Alioski played as a left sided forward for more games, than left back as he is 
nominally now.   

Whilst the majority of the team are the same - this season they don't seem as 
fresh. Not sure I buy into the high intensity = burnout theory that most were 
peddling but once thing is certain, we are not a 'new' thing for people to play 
against.

Everyone knows how we play now. Literally week in week out it is the same 
team/formation, home and away.  Even the laziest manager can see us on TV every 
week almost. 

Not sure what's going on with Clarke this season.

I think the 'failure' last season took it out on some players, mentally at 
least.

You can't do much about injuries. 

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Re: [LU] Preston 1-1

[Joe Skinner]

I’ve kind of given up

I don’t have a season ticket so can’t be a serial moaner

It will be what it’ll be

This season or never

As much as the manager has improved the players he inherited- and massively so 
- we are utterly predictable

From literally picking the same team week in week out to picking it days before 
- confidence, over confidence, whatever. I kind of get it but the team isn’t 
really delivering 

They seem tentative. Maybe we expect too much. I know I do. I just want to get 
out of this league, not that getting promoted is the b all and end all - the 
money is better

It is what it is, endlessly frustrating but such is life 



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> On 22 Oct 2019, at 23:08, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely agree - overwhelmingly in control of the game, 250 corners, yet 
> not one player with a killer attacking instinct, so we overplay our approach 
> play time and time again. 
> 
> Once Eddie came on we had a threat, and he delivered, but we were oh so 
> predictable in front of goal again. What I don’t really understand is why we 
> don’t play, or buy, genuinely attack minded players. In Nketiah, and Ryan 
> Edmondson, we have players who know how to score. I don’t really know why 
> Ryan wasn’t given a chance at the back end of last season - he might be raw, 
> young etc, but he seems a distant memory now. With Nketiah, he’s just not 
> getting enough game time. One other who scored lots for the stiffs - Jack 
> Clarke - I’ve no idea why he’s stuck at Leeds, but we desperately need some 
> spark in front of goal. 
> 
> I don’t know what has happened to Alioski either.
> 
> Who knows, in a tight league we might turn out to be one of the best of the 
> bunch, but f*** me it’s frustrating. 
> 
> John
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2019, at 22:08,   
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll be honest - I'm not enjoying watching us play at all anymore.  Every
>> game is the same, and it is SO predictable.  You could describe the way the
>> game went without even seeing it and be 95% right, every time.  My heart
>> rate doesn't even go up during the game anymore.  Not even when we scored.
>> 
>> I just can't understand how we can't do something to change the way we act
>> in the final third.  It is Bielsa's big flaw that he can't do anything to
>> change this.
>> 
>> I must point out that I would have felt exactly like this, win, lose or draw
>> tonight.  I'm just so sick of it.
>> 
>> Nigel 
>> (the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] 1-0

[Joe Skinner]

I think Harrison is better than Costa

Costa goes missing

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> On 21 Oct 2019, at 01:11, Mark  wrote:
> 
> Harrison also setup Alioski who decided to avoid scoring and couldn’t hit the 
> target from the six yard box.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Gardiner 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 10:40:09 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] 1-0
> 
> Not exactly an accident. Harrison does that all the time. It’s an intended 
> result of the lineup Bielsa throws out there every week.
> 
> Michael Gardiner
> San Diego Whites
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 4:00 AM, "leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From: ni...@sykesonline.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:12:38 PM
>> To: Richard Naef ; 'leeds list' 
>> 
>> Subject: RE: [LU] 1-0
>> 
>> Eddie didn't do much to be honest.  He didn't miss as many as Bamford, but 
>> that's a double-edged sword.  Berra did nothing mental.
>> 
>> We were pretty poor in the 2nd half though, and really clung on for a win.
>> 
>> To be honest, nothing changes.  I've said it before, sometimes we'll nick a 
>> goal, sometimes we'll ship one. Today's goal came from a ball steal in their 
>> 1/3rd which was in the back of the net 3 touches later - so no time to think 
>> and slow it all down to a crawl like we usually do.  Kalvin's shot wasn't 
>> great, as it was straight at the keeper, but it managed to get under him and 
>> into the net.
>> 
>> Nigel
>> (the Dublin one)
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Re: [LU] WBA

[Joe Skinner]

Sheff Utd away, apparently 

Only the last 2 games in 58 we’ve had less than 50%

Won both 1-0...

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> On 2 Oct 2019, at 09:00, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> It was a good match Nick, and for the first time in a while I thought we’d 
> hold out at the back. They looked really good in the second half - a bit like 
> us normally.
> 
> If we can just win a couple in a row that would be appreciated :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 Oct 2019, at 07:59, Nick  wrote:
>> 
>> …and just noticed the possession was a Brexit split, with us being the 
>> remain share (48%)…can’t remember the last time we had less than 50% 
>> possession.
>> 
>> BBC says Shackleton went off injured, like Cooper…but reckons that Roberts 
>> coming off was tactical.
>> 
>> N
>> 
>>> On 2 Oct 2019, at 07:29, Nick  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good win, but more than that a bloody good match - it felt like a football 
>>> match - two teams thinking they could win it, going for it. 
>>> 
>>> Some robust confrontations - Bamford was a Titan, easily our MOTM. White 
>>> was also immense, especially after Cooper’s exit. Whereas Costa, flatters 
>>> to deceive, I fear.
>>> 
>>> What happened with Roberts - was he injured? If not, that was a pretty 
>>> damning subbing off of the sub.
>>> 
>>> And their fella stamped on Cooper…
>>> 
>>> That’s more like it. This team can get stuck in when it has to.
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

It does feel like if it all clicks, someone will get a hiding

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On 29 Sep 2019, at 19:59, Nicholas Armit 
mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross

Nick

On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet

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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them 😉
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
>
> Pretty shit game all round...
>
> All over the shop.
>
> That was just dire
>
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
>
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Some observations:
>>
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas.
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half.
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>>
>> Nick
>>  On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet 

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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them 😉 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
> 
> Pretty shit game all round...
> 
> All over the shop.
> 
> That was just dire 
> 
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
> 
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some observations:
>> 
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half. 
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>> 
>> Nick
>>   On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist  wrote:  
>> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
>> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
>> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
>> Scores: 
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a 
>> ball as low as that. 
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
>> shot was terrible. 
>> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
>> was well saved. 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Pretty shit game all round...

All over the shop.

That was just dire 

Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?

I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?

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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Some observations:
> 
>   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
> were all over the place second half. 
>   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
> 
> Nick
>On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but 
> today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more 
> good positions than anyone, 
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
> they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting 
> but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
> who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
> terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
> being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
> Scores: 
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
> as low as that. 
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
> shot was terrible. 
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
> was well saved. 
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
> very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at 
> corners ? 
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really 
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His 
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he 
> did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were 
> also decent towards the end. 
> Klich - 4. Poor. 
> Costa - 2. Poorer. 
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
> just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
> dropped. 
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby 
> he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
> Subs: 
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
> Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances

Re: [LU] spare ticket

[Joe Skinner]

I usually do, it’s a pretty noddy ground 

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> On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> I would have done the same
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2019, at 16:39, Hedley Shaw  wrote:
>> 
>> We live in Greenwich and are going tomorrow but despite Gold Membership 
>> couldn't tickets from LUFC allocation so will sitting quietly in the Valley 
>> East Stand.
>> 
>> Hedley
>> 
>> On 27/09/2019, 17:15, "Leedslist on behalf of Matt Anderson" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   You could all come round to mine as I live in greenwich 10 min from ground 
>>  but I’m away in Senegal at moment
>> 
>>   Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27 Sep 2019, at 15:02, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh god yes silly me! :-)
>>> Maybe I could kip in my old haunt in East Dulwich.
>>> Nick
>>>  On Friday, September 27, 2019, 10:59:45 AM EDT, Tim Whelan 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> It wouldn't take quite as long as that, seeing as we're away to Charlton. 
>>> So you could spare yourself the 2 hours from Kings Cross to Leeds, and go 
>>> from Charing Cross to Charlton instead. Unless you want to go to the 
>>> beamback in the Centenary Pavillion at Elland Road. 
>>>  On Friday, 27 September 2019, 14:20:54 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Let me see...
>>> Drive to Detroit 1.5 hoursPlane to London 8 hoursHeathrow to Kings Cross 90 
>>> minsKings Cross to Leeds 2 hours
>>> Might be able to make it!
>>> Nick
>>>   On Friday, September 27, 2019, 08:37:44 AM EDT, kevin leizer 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone on the list is interested I have a spare ticket for tomorrow in 
>>> the Home end. Please email me offlist if interested.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: [LU] Derby.

[Joe Skinner]

Not any more, we are THE bastions of fair play and current holders of the FIFA 
fair play award!

We are t'champions, t'champions of Europe. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 26 September 2019 17:02
To: Matt Anderson 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby.

Obvs, 15 pts deduction coming our way.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Anderson  
Sent: 26 September 2019 16:58
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Derby.

But but but we looked at them training! We are the culprit here

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> On 26 Sep 2019, at 15:54, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Having first checked no one was seriously hurt. Had a good old laugh that 2 
> gobshite Derby been have been arrested for drink driving sadly, however, 
> pillar of moral and honesty, Richard Keogh injured in the crash, after being 
> out on the piss.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
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Re: [LU] Derby

[Joe Skinner]

> 
> For all our dominance it’s possession.
> 
> How many real chances are there? Things the keeper had to save?
> 
> Penalty missed
> Hit the post 
> Own goal
> Anything else? Hard to remember 
> 
> He can have his head in his hands but this is his team, his players now. If 
> they’re not doing what he wants, then what are they doing wrong?
> 
> Our corners are awful!
> Not much point crossing in to that lot either
> 
> Frustrating but not fatal, still top, we drew.
> 
> I was pissed off all afternoon and evening, today more sanguine
> 
> I just feel We have to get out of this league this year. Or we never will, 
> who else could take this lot up? No one 
> 
> Costa and Eddie didn’t exactly light us up when they came on
> 
> I wonder if exactly the same team, players and formation, home or away, game 
> after game doesn’t make it easier for teams now?
> 
> Ok they have to play against us and that is HARD but soak it up for 30 mins, 
> get to half time. Even shit teams can think they can nick something 
> 
> You can Almost write the match report before kick off. Except the goal 
> actually came before half time for us. I thought we might smash them for 5 at 
> one point but chance wise it didn’t convert from possession
> 
> Pablo can’t do it all creatively. Harrison works hard but he’s asked to cross 
> onto people who can’t convert 
> 
> Not really sure what I’d change as putting another forward on with bamford 
> means you have to change it. Pablo inside means dropping one of the defensive 
> 3, which might work but you will give up a lot of that possession we seem to 
> love 
> 
> Back to the same 11 next game! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 22 Sep 2019, at 14:11, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Totally one sided game in which Derby offered nothing and I mean nothing 
>> until the last 10 minutes when they had a couple of half chances and then 
>> the goal. When Chris Martin came on it was inevitable that he would score 
>> and everyone knew it. Despite totally dominating the game and having half a 
>> dozen decent chances it was just a matter of time before Derby grabbed an 
>> equaliser. In fact, the only suprising thing for me was that they didn't go 
>> on to win it in injury time.
>> Bielsa doggedly stuck to the same 11 - lets face it why wouldn't he ? Unless 
>> of course you considered it took us 84 minutes to break down an average 
>> Barnsley team and that only happened when the subs came on. I think we're 
>> struggling at home when teams sit back. Even our goal was lucky with 
>> Dallas's shot rebounding off the keeper and then off another Derby player 
>> into the net. Bamford who worked hard and many chances but he looks anxious 
>> and you wouldn't back him at the moment to score in any situation. They saw 
>> competition is good but in Bamford's case I feel he knows Eddie is waiting 
>> and you can see it is affecting his play and not in a positive way. 
>> Time and time again in the first half we got ourselves into great positions 
>> but time and time again Harrison failed to cross or pass the ball. His final 
>> ball has been missing all season to the point now it's becoming a big 
>> problem. I don't think Harrison has delivered this season yet and I feel 
>> Costa is unlucky not to start. 
>> I think with Shackleton, Klich and Philips all playing centrally we are a 
>> bit too samey and a bit too predictable at times. How about playing Costa 
>> and Harrison on the wings with Pablo more central ? Maybe that would take a 
>> bit of the pressure off Harrison. 
>> Bielsa's subs came later yesterday and that was probably because we were 
>> winning but I think if he'd brought Eddie and Costa on around 60 minutes we 
>> would have won the game. I also believe Eddie would have bagged at least a 
>> goal if he'd started. 
>> Mind you, Kilch penaly miss was awful and to miss the goals is criminal. 
>> Overall, I don't think I've seen us dominate a game so much. Derby deserved 
>> nothing, absolutely nothing. They were outplayed totally but this is Leeds 
>> and we didn't expect anything else. 
>> Kiko - 6. Nowt to do other than one near f*ck up and pick the ball out of 
>> the back of the net. 
>> Dallas - 8. I thought he did well as a right winger. 
>> Allioski - 7. I thought he played well and came forward at every 
>> opportunity. 
>> Cooper - 7. Snuffed out every minor Derby forward movement.
>> White - 8. As above but more comfortable on the ball. 
>> Shackleton - 6. He was busy but I can't actually remember him doing anything 
>> constructive ? 
>> Pablo - 6. Not on his game. First half passes were going astray as usual. 
>> Klich - 6. Horrendous penalty miss. Worked hard. 
>> Harrison - 4. One decent shot but failed everytime with his crossed. 
>> Philips - 8. I thought like Barnsley he was our best player. 
>> Bamford - 6. Good work for the penalty and he really put a shift in but 
>> should have scored. 
>> Subs: 
>> Costa - 6. Had a few runs but didn't make goo

Re: [LU] LU: Eddie v Bamford?

[Joe Skinner]

It's more straightforward than that

He plays a player he 'likes' until that player is 1. injured, 2. unavailable or 
has 3. 'let him down'

Likes = rates, believes in, however you want to couch it. 

Even if they have fucked up (Ayling), he won't drop them. Either they can prove 
him right and vindicate him, or not. See 3. 

I can't think of a player who has missed out, who doesn’t fit the 3 criteria 
above. Even the first 2. 

He doesn't believe in rotation (unless it is a cup, which he doesn't seem to 
care about anyway)

I can only think a tweak in formation would bring a 'new' player in for someone 
else. E.g. dropping a central midfielder.

He does occasionally change it at half time, which could be an acknowledgement 
he got it wrong, or equally changed to suit the game dynamic. E.g. last week 
Harrison off, Costa on. Was Costa much better? Will Harrison start again, most 
likely.  

Unless Bamford is injured, suspended, has a shit fit or strop, I can't see him 
being dropped. Even if he had a goal drought. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 18 September 2019 14:47
To: David Smail ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Eddie v Bamford?

Yes you've missed:

Nketiah just joined, maybe still not up to speed with how the machine works

Bielsa watches him and Bamford every single day

We are Top

Bamford has scored goals and gets on the end of chances

And not being rude, but Bielsa has coached and managed at the very top and you 
have?..

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of David Smail 

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 2:08:29 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] LU: Eddie v Bamford?

In Bielsa we trust? I don't get why he insists on starting with  the semi out 
of form, frustrated and unreliable Bamford when Eddie is so sharp, full of 
confidence , terrorising defences and scoring for fun.

Is Bielsa trying to justify the Bamford purchase price by starting with him?
Is he relying too heavily on Eddie to put things right when Bamford is having 
yet  another off day?

Could it be that he's using Bamford to tire out defences to pave the way for 
the fresh legs and scoring habit of Eddie? Perhaps he was so impressed by 
Bamford's training ground exquisite volley that he's convinced he can

replicate  the same in real live matches?



I can't think why Edie wouldn't be in his starting line up. Have I missed 
something?



Dave





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[LU] Things that make you feel old

[Joe Skinner]

Alf inge Haland’s son scored a hat trick in the CL last night...

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Re: [LU] Is the Sky Red button link working today?

[Joe Skinner]

Working for me. You have to be on sky sports football

You’re not missing much 

Feels like Barnsley have a goal in them

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> On 15 Sep 2019, at 13:18, Ted  wrote:
> 
> It's working on mine John.
> (Red button from same channel as Hudds v Wed)
> 
> 
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2019, 13:14 John Lee via Leedslist, 
> wrote:
> 
>> The Leeds game doesn’t appear - anyone else having problems?
>> 
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Re: [LU] Liam's cooper - Scottish international

[Joe Skinner]

'They' (but not the FA?) sought (and got?) a 6 week ban for Sturridge recently, 
though. And £75k fine. 

It's a relatively new rule. I'd expect everyone to get fined/banned from now 
on. 

It's not like he had one bet, it was 50odd.

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Subject: [LU] Liam's cooper - Scottish international

Just read an analysis of jocks defending v Russia, not good for our Liam" 
cooper had an all round torrid game.  Directly at fault for both goals 
conceded,  responsible for numerous chances on top of the goals and timid and 
indecisive on the ball"
Looks like the Athletic writer is not a fan Let's hope if this analysis is 
correct he has got it out of his system before weekend Paranoid or out to get 
us ?1. Ok for England to carry on playing when opposition player is down but 
not for Leeds2 The absolutely draconian measures taken v Jordan Steven's for 
breaching betting regulations compared with previous cases

Dave
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Re: [LU] Thank you

[Joe Skinner]

Not won at home in 7, though? Or 1 in 7.

Does the formation need a tweak at home?

Away, the onus is sometimes on the home team to attack and we counterattack

Should he think of two up front?

Costa in for Harrison at home?

He won’t but how do you turn dominance of possession into goals?

If bamford doesn’t score, we rely on the wide 2, the defensive 3 (unlikely) or 
subs

I saw someone else suggest a defensive coach. We must have one in that massive 
team

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> On 1 Sep 2019, at 00:24, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> We have conceded three goals in 6 games. Keep that up we are walking this 
> effin league.
> Nick
>On Saturday, August 31, 2019, 07:11:32 PM EDT, Mark 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Agreed, a massive thanks to those that write match reports.
> 
> Cheers
> Mark (wiscoleeds)
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 5:53:03 PM
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: [LU] Thank you
> 
> Thanks to the listers who posted reports, puts things back in proportion, 
> glass now full.
> 
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Re: [LU] shite

[Joe Skinner]

Skinned.

I wondered what the formation and set up was when I saw the team. Sky couldn’t 
seem to make their mind up either

Are we playing well?

3 changes made. All a bit odd 

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> On 27 Aug 2019, at 20:34, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
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> 
> Philips left for dead 2-0. Why the fuck are we playing Philips as a centre 
> back against pacey Stoke attackers ? 
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Re: [LU] Which one??!!

[Joe Skinner]

The first goal was sublime. Weight of pass, angles, anticipation, movement, 
finish. 

"Liquid football" to quote Partridge. 

A bit like early days under O'Leary, the training ground moves coming off. 
Although this feels a bit more substantial. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 27 August 2019 15:48
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Which one??!!

I have watched them over and over, but I can't quite decide which was 
better.Pablo's pass for the first goal or Pablo's pass for the 
third goal.

But if I had to choose, it must be the first one simply because he had so 
little time to size up the angle and weight required but played it one touch 
and both of those were perfection.
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Re: [LU] Philips

[Joe Skinner]

His passing can be a bit crap when it's of the penetrative or probing type but 
I don’t think that's his natural game, so wouldn't really criticise him for it. 
Hernandez should be doing a bit more. As could Klich or Forshaw. They do seem 
to rotate a bit though.

I think both of them get closed down quickly, which might contribute to it.

Yesterday's game was a bit weird. It's almost like when people switch off or 
get bored - some of the game was pretty soporific -  they get punished. Must be 
hard to play against. 

Couldn't work out if we were slightly off our game, or they were better, as 
they've bought some players.

Wasn't quite sure why we were obsessed with winning corners when the delivery 
and execution is so poor. 

Pace to burn off the bench, though. Perfect late game. 


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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Einar S.
Sent: 22 August 2019 09:56
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Philips


Philips was simply amazing yesterday.  MOM by a mile.  I wold say that it is 
about the best I have ever seen him play.  Don’t agree?  Look at the match 
again and really watch him….
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Re: [LU] LU: Take Us Home

[Joe Skinner]

Amazon Prime is weird. I have Amazon Prime (because I keep forgetting to cancel 
it) and that normally means get free postage on some stuff. To watch it, I have 
to use my Xbox, which is just weird.

Then when you get it, half of the stuff you have to pay extra for. Not exactly 
overwhelming. 

Pretty sure someone will have ripped it to a torrent?

I can't bring myself to watch it really, a) it's commissioned by the owner, so 
as Sean said, sanitised and b) we all know how it ends (and Bielsa is hardly in 
it)

They're doing it this season as well?

Surely they'd have been better served doing last season as part of the overall 
narrative of going up? 



-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Guy Thornton
Sent: 21 August 2019 09:14
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] LU: Take Us Home

Interesting. 
I've seen various reviews and comments about the documentary. Some good, some 
less so. One of the criticisms was a lack of Bielsa, at least talking.

The problem is how to watch it? I know it's on Amazon Prime which I don't have 
and anyway someone here has just tried taking out a trial subscription to 
Amazon Prime Video in order to watch it only to get the message 'This title 
isn't available in your location.'

guy

On 21 Aug 2019 at 1:38, seanscribe--- via Leedslist wrote:

> So I finally finished the documentary this evening. It's very moving 
> and I would recommend it. A few observations: - It's clearly not a 
> completely independent production. While there are controversial 
> episodes covered (Bamford's feigning getting whacked against Villa, 
> Spygate, etc. etc.) there's very little new information revealed about 
> these. (For instance, a more "newsy" documentary might have 
> interviewed the intern/employee who actually did the spying against
> Derby.) Some important episodes are completely omitted. (For example, 
> there is absolutely no mention of Jack Clarke's bizarre collapse on 
> the bench at 'Boro, let alone an explanation of what caused it, beyond 
> the vague "virus" that the club belatedly told us about.)  - The 
> series does not go into great detail about most of the squad or the 
> backroom team. There's no mention of the under-23s winning the 
> national championship, no real discussion of Carlos Corberan, Jack 
> Clarke, Jamie Shackleton, etc. - It's a brilliant portrayal of the 
> human side of the club: players, management and supporters. You'd need 
> the proverbial heart of stone not to be affected by the scenes of the 
> players and backroom staff in tears after the last Derby game. In 
> particular, I came away with new respect for Kalvin Phillips, Liam 
> Cooper, Marcelo Bielsa, Victor Orta, Angus Kinnear and Andrea 
> Radrizzani. One can criticize various personnel decisions that Orta 
> made, particularly in his first season, but watching him crying after 
> the Derby game, one can't question his commitment. That guy cares.
> Also, the scenes with Bob Tappin made it worth the price (okay, it was 
> free with Amazon Prime) on their own. Anyway, I came away feeling even 
> more proud to be a Leeds United supporter, which I didn't think was 
> possible after all these years.


> Cheers!
> Sean
> 
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Re: [LU] Wigan plus

[Joe Skinner]

Did I mishear this morning?

Kalvin Phillips made more successful passes than the whole Wigan team?



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> On 18 Aug 2019, at 13:34, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> 2 things , the full berardi song to tune of voulez vous is
> Gaettannooo BERRA lives and dies for Leeds BERRA plays until he bleeds BERRA 
> Leeds are gonna win the league 
> Another big talking point for us was the fact that Jack Clarke was not on the 
> bench due to loanee rules (allowed 5 and we have 6) - surely it makes more 
> sense to have Clarke on the bench who can come on and make a difference . 
> Then put Huffer or Masiek on the bench instead of the French loanee , one of 
> them should be ok in the rare circumstances when they may be needed - kiko 
> injured or red card ,maybe only for a few minutes , then play Meslier in the  
> next game(s) if he is the number 2 keeper.
> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Joe Skinner]

He's already said he won't change the team... 

I presume he meant the Forest line-up.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 15 August 2019 14:54
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Don't think he'll start, he hasn't trained enough with the team and probably 
lacks match fitness, he'll be on the bench and probably come on for the last 10 
mins when we are 4-0 up.

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 15 August 2019 09:04
To: Nick ; Simon McNally 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

 So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ? 
On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 
  
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

[Joe Skinner]

Who would you play him instead of?

Bamford? No. 

Harrison? Unlikely.

Hernandez? Extremely unlikely. 

He seems to like to play 3 in the middle away from home - these days that's 
Klich, Phillips and anonymous. Phillips sitting deeper - as opposed to dropping 
back into defence at home. So away, the width comes mainly from the wide 2 in 
the front 3 (because the full backs aren't pushing on as much) 

If one of those middle 3 is missing, Pablo has to play in the middle. Or 
Shackleton. Or who else, Dallas, which is no good? You can't expect Costa to 
play there. What is Dallas' natural position - winger? He seems to prefer him 
at right back? 

Costa/Clarke/Eddie all seem to be vying for the right to replace Harrison or 
Pablo, unless Eddie is an out and out forward who plays centrally? He (and 
Costa and Clarke) were interchangeable after about 30 mins.  

Who knows? He does what he wants!

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 15 August 2019 09:07
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Kalvin Phillips' averageness in stats.

Most of us probably would, but I'd bet my house that Bielsa won't.

It seems like it's bloody hard to get into a Bielsa team, but even harder to 
get out once you're in.

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist < 
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  So moving away from the Kalvin spat .. would you play Eddie on Saturday ?
> On Wednesday, 14 August 2019, 16:11:27 BST, Simon McNally < 
> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>
>
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Re: [LU] Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

Last 10 mins we switched Clarke on the left

Played it down a bit more, too control more

Not sure why we took control, it’s why I’m sitting on my sofa eating Nando’s in 
my boxers and bielsa sits on a bucket and earns £1m plus a year 

Either way, we did and the cross came from the right ...
Whilst we look vulnerable from crosses and direct balls, corners etc. You can’t 
really fault the football or continued attempts at football and teams of recent 
vintages would have panicked and retreated and this one has done the opposite 
and pressed higher and higher and Salford sat back and paid the price 

Not quite the high tempo football we get week in week out but great finish  

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> On 13 Aug 2019, at 20:39, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> It’s been a familiar pattern this half, loads of possession but very little 
> end product. Excellent goal though - superb ball from shack, good cross from 
> costa and good movement from Eddie.
> The crossing one is a worry. We completed 4 out of 34 against forest. I think 
> it’s two things - poor delivery but also a lack of height in the middle. With 
> no one really to aim at we have to thread the perfect ball which makes the 
> crosser look worse than they actually are. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Jim Moran  wrote:
>> 
>> We’re playing like we have Niall Quinn and Peter Crouch in the box.
>> 
>> Garbage so far.
>> 
>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07, Joe Skinner 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Underwhelmed so far
>>> 
>>> Clarke is wasted on the right
>>> 
>>> This has a feeling of inevitability about it but then I’m pessimistic cum
>>> realistic
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 19:11, Richard walker via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Exciting team tonight. Eddie debut.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 16:32, Richard Naef 
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, Eddie Eddie, Eddie Eddie Eddie Eddie, Nketiah...
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of
>>> Scott1cairns1
>>>>> Sent: 13 August 2019 16:02
>>>>> To: Richard Walker 
>>>>> Cc: Leeds List 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cmon Eddie.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,Scott.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 14:46, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Eddie is going to make his debut and bury them.
>>>>> 
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Re: [LU] Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

Ironically (knives spoons etc.) the better quality is coming from alioski. Pity 
no one is there for it

I think we’re relying on Phillips to score from centre mid

Alisoki needs a haircut



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On 13 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Jim Moran 
mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk>> wrote:

We’re playing like we have Niall Quinn and Peter Crouch in the box.

Garbage so far.

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 20:07, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Underwhelmed so far

Clarke is wasted on the right

This has a feeling of inevitability about it but then I’m pessimistic cum 
realistic



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> On 13 Aug 2019, at 19:11, Richard walker via Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>
> Exciting team tonight. Eddie debut.
>
>
>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 16:32, Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, Eddie Eddie, Eddie Eddie Eddie Eddie, Nketiah...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Scott1cairns1
>> Sent: 13 August 2019 16:02
>> To: Richard Walker mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
>> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight
>>
>> Cmon Eddie.
>>
>> Best regards,Scott.
>>
>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 14:46, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eddie is going to make his debut and bury them.
>>
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Re: [LU] Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

Underwhelmed so far

Clarke is wasted on the right

This has a feeling of inevitability about it but then I’m pessimistic cum 
realistic 



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> On 13 Aug 2019, at 19:11, Richard walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Exciting team tonight. Eddie debut.
> 
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 16:32, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, Eddie Eddie, Eddie Eddie Eddie Eddie, Nketiah...
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Scott1cairns1
>> Sent: 13 August 2019 16:02
>> To: Richard Walker 
>> Cc: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight
>> 
>> Cmon Eddie. 
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott. 
>> 
>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 14:46, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eddie is going to make his debut and bury them. 
>> 
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[LU] Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

Thoughts on tonight's game?

If you park up who it is and the crap that goes with it.

Is it probably the best thing if we lose? Even if they are a poor league 2 side.

Personally, I hate losing games, it becomes a habit. We've become used to 
getting turned over in upsets - more so than before since we fell.

This season, more than ever, if we don't go up, I think we'll be marooned here 
forever. FPP, or the FL equivalent will be worse and worse the longer it goes 
on (as parachute payments get more and more and creative accounting gets more 
and more arcane)

Bielsa is only tied to one more year (currently) and I really can't see him 
sticking around again if we don't go up.

He doesn't seem to care about cups - witness that abject performance against 
QPR last season. I don't even remember the Preston game in the LC.

He also seems to want to stick with a small squad and we don't realistically 
have a chance in any of them, so less games is better?

I believe winning is a habit.

Maybe Clarke, Costa and the new forward/striker can get a game, ditto 
Shackleton. Although win, lose or draw, he seems to prefer to stick with the 
same team, either as a 'I believe in them' or a 'he has another chance to prove 
himself'. Who knows?

Well, apart from Biela.


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Re: [LU] Forest

[Joe Skinner]

We’re not going to get many penalties this season if the team go to ground at 
the slightest touch. 

Looks like he fouled him in the build
Up to their goal, and hand balled it, or shoulders don’t count?

Either way someone should have done the dirty work and got rid 

The last 15 mins of the first half were flat, same as the crowd. Missed first 5 
mins of second Hal f but it was also flat too

Are people expecting us to win now? It went pretty quiet and their goal was 
pretty inevitable 

Needing to score 2-3 each game with that tempo, I struggle to see where the 
goals come from, we’re expecting the wide players to score as many as bamford?

He looks a bit stronger this season, probably a good thing.

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> On 11 Aug 2019, at 14:14, Richard walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I did say in my report that Harrison made some great runs and got into some 
> good positions and he definitely was our main threat in the first half. My 
> gripe was that his final ball was poor most of the time. This got worse 
> second half when time and time again he had the ball on the left side of the 
> box and he either played it to nobody, a red shirt or totally over hit his 
> cross / pass. It was a really poor second half showing from Harrison and 
> loads of folk around me ( not me) were screaming to get him off. I did also 
> say that on another day better things would result from his play but 
> yesterday just wasn’t his day.
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2019, at 11:12, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes now I have seen on TV it was a good pass by klich. Assume Harrison 
>> 'disagreement ' is not with me .? I just said MB brought on the wrong person 
>> to replace him - I too though Harrison was good and was involved in pretty 
>> much everything we did , I reckon he had more touches than anyone
>> Yes -"need to beat wigan" is a bit of hyperbole on my part, just a reaction 
>> to losing 2 points yesterday (albeit matching last season result)  and we 
>> did win last time at Wigan-plus I am actually going to the game so I need us 
>> to win 
>> Dave
>> 
>>   On Sunday, 11 August 2019, 00:21:49 GMT+1, Nicholas Armit 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Pretty sure Klich passed the ball to Hernandez for the goal (no ricochet?). 
>> I disagree about Harrison. He looks far more direct and looks a threat. 
>> Nick
>>   On Saturday, August 10, 2019, 04:25:49 PM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Well it was great to be back at Elland Road - hope I never lose that buzz
>> This was 2points lost and so reminiscent of last season. Total domination 
>> pretty much fro  start yo finish but not enough goals to show for it 
>> Clearly they came for a point ,time wasting from the off - kicking the ball 
>> away on at least 3 occasions in the first half but the ref did nothing
>> We had 10 or so corners and umpteen free kicks into the box with no end 
>> product 
>> Is Bsmford poor or just unlucky..?  First chance he took an extra touch , 
>> second he scuffed onto the bar, 3rd shot just wide and 4th did everything 
>> right but chipped just wide - cannot fault his effort but at least one 
>> should, and needed to go in
>> We did get the breakthrough when the ball took a richocet to Pablo and he 
>> finished in style- this stat a time when we were in total control and had 
>> them gor the taking but failed to get the second ee needed
>> They made 3 subs , each player taller than the one who went off, so it was 
>> no su9when they nearly scored from a corner and then fid so the next time 1 
>> shot one goal (albeit a scramble after a bit of pinball)
>> We had 3 penalty shouts - a definite kick on Dallas and 2 pushes on Costa 
>> but rec was unmoved 
>> Big mistake by Bielsa taking off Harrison for Alioski - should have been 
>> Clarke or Costa 
>> Agree with Rich W Forshaw & Klich are not a good combination 
>> Ultimately same result as last season
>> We will play worse and have less of the game that this and win but a 
>> disappointing result 
>> Need to beat Wigsn
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Graham smyth

[Joe Skinner]

Casillas on £35k a week, that's nuts. He's fucking shite

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Jim Moran
Sent: 09 August 2019 10:20
To: Tim Leslie 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Graham smyth

That article alone has swung me to subscribe to The Athletic. The writing and 
detail is on another level.

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 09:41, Tim Leslie  wrote:

> On this occasion Rich, I think you're being a bit naive. I think the 
> YEP version is a cut down of Phil Hays piece in the new Athletic 
> website (Subscription required, but I signed up on a £30 for a year 
> option. The writing is VERY good I think). It's clear we were over 
> loaded with youngsters who weren't going to 'make it' and they needed 
> offloading, otherwise we'd breach the rules. Doing a Derby and selling 
> the ground wasn't (apparently) an option due to the buy back recently. 
> So, much as I'd have loved the two Inter Milan lads, the Spurs centre 
> half AND Ryan Kent on top of what we did, I think we may be OK judging 
> by what other clubs are also having to do.
>
> StigOfThePragmaticDump
>
> CEO Kinnear: Leeds rejected £35m of offers this summer but finance 
> rules are ‘pointless’
>
> By Phil Hay Aug 8, 2019
>
> The Championship is where clubs and owners go to lose money. A chief 
> executive who now works abroad once summed it up like this: “You’re 
> going to make losses whether you want to or not. You just have to 
> decide how much you’re going to lose.”
>  From time to time there are exceptions to the rule, like the nominal 
> profit of £976,000 Leeds United turned in 2017. That would pay their 
> current wage bill for less than a fortnight. And less again after tax.
> England’s second division has long been a diverse field in which 
> certain clubs overspend because they feel they have no choice and 
> others overspend because they have the cash and the mood takes them.
> What CEOs across the league noticed in this transfer window was a 
> developing trend: that of a high proportion of teams heading for 
> negative net spends, some by a very comfortable margin. Incoming fees 
> have been vast: £15 million to Birmingham City for Che Adams, £20 
> million to Brentford for Neal Maupay, £20 million to Bristol City for 
> Adam Webster. In a demonstration of the disparity with the Premier 
> League, Brighton alone financed two of those signings (Maupay and 
> Webster).
> The mutual prudence of the clubs who pocketed those fees was not a 
> coincidence. The Championship has been bound by Profit and 
> Sustainability (PnS) rules for the past three years but in March, 
> something happened. Birmingham City exceeded the losses permitted by 
> the EFL and, on the guidance of an independent disciplinary 
> commission, were deducted nine points.
> “The Birmingham decision changed the world in this division,” Leeds 
> chief executive Angus Kinnear tells The Athletic. “Everybody realised 
> PnS had teeth.”
> Birmingham’s breach of EFL limits, which allow a maximum loss of £39 
> million over a rolling three-year period, was public knowledge and 
> widely discussed but no-one in the Championship was sure how the EFL 
> would act. The end of the 2018-19 season marked the end of the first 
> full PnS accounting window and Birmingham became something of a guinea
> pig: the only club officially in breach and the only club in harm’s way.
> Even the directors at St Andrew’s were in the dark about the likely 
> consequences.
> The lack of clarity was a frustration. “Every club wanted to be 
> absolutely clear about the sanctions,” Kinnear says. “None of us were 
> sure if there would be sporting sanctions or if the penalty would be 
> financial. If it’s financial then a decision over whether to abide by 
> PnS becomes an economic one, like in US sport if you breach the salary 
> cap. If it’s a sporting sanction, like a points deduction, then that’s 
> very different.”
> Leeds made a big play of PnS – the EFL’s version of Financial Fair 
> Play
> (FFP) – throughout the transfer window just gone. They concentrated 
> heavily on ensuring compliance internally while trying to manage an 
> external audience who questioned the numbers involved and, in some 
> quarters, debated whether the club’s majority shareholder, Andrea 
> Radrizzani, was merely being tight.
> Radrizzani, a charismatic Italian who made a fortune through the sale 
> of TV rights deals, is heavily invested in Leeds: £45 million for his 
> original takeover, some £20 million to buy back Leeds’ Elland Road 
> stadium from its private landlord two years ago and the person whom 
> Kinnear calls whenever the club need additional funds.
> A stake of around 13 per cent was sold by Radrizzani to the San 
> Francisco 49ers last summer but the £11 million paid by the 49ers went 
> back into the Elland Road accounts. Leeds are a perfect example of how 
> life in the Championship works: the team with the biggest annual 
> turnover in the league, losing more than £1 million a month.

Re: [LU] Eddie Nketiah

[Joe Skinner]

I've found the transfers a bit weird, too. Apparently we have to satisfy FFP? I 
can't believe our players are on that much? Bamford is apparently. 

Our best defender [Pontus] -- We already have like for like replacement [White] 
albeit on loan (do we have an option to buy?) - I think he'd lost it towards 
the end of last season. Believing his own hype and not doing what the Manager 
wanted. Brentford? Fucking lol. 

Top goal scorer [Roofe] - Agree this is a weak area. Piss weak in fact. If 
Bamford is properly fit...? We've got back for Roofe what we paid for Bamford. 
He had a year on his Contract and wanted what Bamford was on apparently. 
Ideally, I'd have sold Bamford and kept Roofe but that assumes he wanted to 
stay. 

and best youngster sold for millions [Clarke?] - we have him back on loan, so 
for this season, that's no real change but we have £10m. Assuming Spuds paid up 
front. We also have Costa on loan (with a deal to possibly buy?)

Also sold the 'keeper. Who I didn’t rate. I agree the one we kept is worse. Or 
might be a better shot stopper but keeps causing absolute panic when he 
constantly comes out. For a premier league team, £3.5m is peanuts and he's 
British. He might prove to be better than I think he is but to me he was a 
flapper and a bit weak mentally. 

to be replaced by an Arsenal U-23 loanee - The squad is weak. I think we need 
bodies. Pablo is a year older. 

It's probably more important we kept Phillips - as much as I don't want to like 
him (stroller and pointer), he improved immeasurably under Bielsa and is the 
lynchpin of the team - home and more so away.  Has he actually signed a new 
deal yet? In 6months he can sign for anyone and leave at the end of the season, 
although we will get a 'fee' it's set by tribunal if you're under 23? Or have 
the rules changed?

Next season is all up in the air. If we go up, the manager doesn't even have a 
Contract, so whilst I hate short termism, this season is all or nothing, so 
loan deals (Harrison, Clarke, Costa etc.) are fine by me.

You can imagine he'd keep some of the team (he is pretty pig headed) and we may 
even win some games if we went up but we'd also get pumped.

We need to get promoted first!

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 08 August 2019 11:36
To: Leeds leedslist ; ejwalsh 
Subject: Re: [LU] Eddie Nketiah

 If this kid and the keeper are only signings today questions have to be asked. 
Our best defender, top goalscorer and best youngster sold for millions to be 
replaced by an Arsenal U-23 loanee who is apparently a wonderkid but has only 
played 8 times for Arsenal in the last 2 years. I'd be pretty disgusted by 
that. Still a few hours to go though so I'll save my criticism till then. 

On Thursday, 8 August 2019, 11:13:03 BST, ejwalsh  
wrote:  
 
 Looks like he is on the way to Leeds for the season.
Apparently the Arsenal fans rate him very highly.
Good work by Orta.
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Re: [LU] Documentary video

[Joe Skinner]

If you don’t have any downs, the ups are a bit pointless.

Although even a dead cat bounces, or whatever the idiom is. 

Does Schrödinger's cat bounce twice? 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Jeremy Adams
Sent: 25 July 2019 14:26
To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Documentary video

It's not as bad as the Sunderland one where they started by talking about an 
immediate return to the premier league and then ended up getting relegated to 
league 1!

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis (UK 
SBS) 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 8:26 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Documentary video

I don't think I could bear to watch it.
Seems a particularly Leeds thing to do, produce a programme highlighting a 
collapse!
Most supporters of other teams will have a right laugh.  Why not go the whole 
hog and have a series highlighting all the disappointments of the last 55 years?

I remember Steve Bruce's private video of Scum's 1993 title win hitting the 
headlines.  He must have done one the previous year, when they blew it, but 
sensibly that never saw the light of day.

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Re: [LU] Pontus Jansson's tragic

[Joe Skinner]

Hard to disagree with any of that. 

Slightly weird article here and elsewhere, I assume

Maybe some is lost in translation but the thought that he thinks himself 
premier league is laughable 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/09/pontus-jansson-leeds-needed-money-brentford-bielsa-language



-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: 09 July 2019 17:29
To: Leeds List ; Robert Heath 
Subject: Re: [LU] Pontus Jansson's tragic

 I thought Jansson was a revelation when he arrived at Leeds and that season 
under Monk he and Bartley sorted out our defence which had been a problem for 
years that nobody had resolved. I liked the fact we just said to Pontus you 
just attack the ball and clear it. It worked. Since then it's been up and down 
for him. I still think he's our best defender but he's fragile and for a hard 
man he makes a real meal of his injuries. At times he is embarrassing, one 
minute nearly dead, the next up and at them. I think it was a massive mistake 
to put him on the bench against Derby in the play-offs in preference to Cooper 
and Beradi. Whether it would have changed the result I don't know but Cooper 
and Beradi (and Casilla) were a mess for that match. It's obvious that Pontus 
is his own man and does things that annoys others and you can see Bielsa not 
liking that so it's no surprise that he's been moved on. I think it's a decent 
price because I think Jansson's fitness and injuries will become more of a 
problem. The obvious worry is where is the replacement ? We wait for news of 
transfers in but why do I think they might not be any. Just announcement of 
contract renewals. 
On Tuesday, 9 July 2019, 13:48:19 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 Not that fussed about Jansson leaving. I was never quite taken in by his 
self-publicity, and I can easily imagine that he could be a disruptive 
influence behind the scenes. I really hope that part of letting him go is that 
they reckon Strujik is ready to step in.

On another note, though, I find it extremely vexing to learn that the top 2 
earners at the club (with whom Phillips quite justifiably wants parity) are 
Casillas and Bamford on 30 k per week. I'd happily see either of them sent out 
the door and have their wages switched to KP.
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Re: [LU] Clarke

[Joe Skinner]

You normally cut a deal of %s

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> On 1 Jul 2019, at 17:10, Guy Thornton  wrote:
> 
> How does it work with players on loan and payment of their earnings?
> I'm presuming we're not paying the full monty of 20,000 a week so we stick at 
> the 1,000 he was getting from us 
> or what?
> 
> guy
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2019 at 12:41, Jeremy Adams wrote:
>> 
>> Is that 20K or 200K?? I'm assuming the former which still isnt half bad.
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit 
>> via Leedslist 
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>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] Clarke
>> 
>> Supposedly went from 1,000 a week to 20,. Bloody hell.
>> Nick
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Re: [LU] Clarke

[Joe Skinner]

Back on loan though, if we can push though this season the money is insane in 
the PL

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> On 29 Jun 2019, at 13:42, Jeremy Adams  wrote:
> 
> Is that 20K or 200K?? I'm assuming the former which still isnt half bad.
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit 
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> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 8:14 AM
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> Subject: [LU] Clarke
> 
> Supposedly went from 1,000 a week to 20,. Bloody hell.
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Clarke gone ?

[Joe Skinner]

Danny Rose?

Byram's been let go by West Ham? 

Sometimes you just have to take the money

Add ons and the like are a must though - caps, appearances, sell on % etc. 

In the past we've sold cheaply 

The 2 lads we got £4m from Chelsea for didn't seem to ever do anything. Tom 
Taiwo and ???

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: 26 June 2019 14:43
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Clarke gone ?

Interesting, how many of our youngsters find the grass is greener? (It might be 
richer). Milner, Delph? Cook possibly if he gets over this injury. 

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> On 26 Jun 2019, at 12:46, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Phil Hay says he is at Spurs for a medical today (may fail after his 
> collapse ?)He says we getting £10m up front, some add ons, percentage 
> of sell on, and first dibs if Spurs send him on loanSeems a decent 
> enough deal IF we cannot keep him (and we will struggle to keep 
> players until we get back in the Prem)I would prefer to lose him than 
> a regular first teamer (eg Phillips) if we need to sell to buy / 
> loan.Also no guarantee that he would play often this season so , long 
> term he may or may not be a great player (looked very good pre 
> collapse, average to say the least afterwards) but we are all about 
> the present and I do think Costa if we get him would be a more 
> effective player this coming season in getting us promoted So another 
> promising youngster is sold - Byram, Cook, Vieirra - but that is just 
> indicative of the situation we are in Dave 
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Re: [LU] Where do we go from here?

[Joe Skinner]

Yesterday summed that up, after the 1st or 2nd cock up, he was miming to Cooper 
(I think) that he should be watching/looking. 

No mate, he's got his back to you. You came, shout it! Own it. Clear it. 
Whatever. 

Someone really should be agreeing whether they knew for him to do that and what 
they all do when he does. E.g. someone out wide to pass to. 

On a related note, how long until Bielsa speaks English in interviews? They are 
pretty painful!

Poccetino did something similar for a long time (2years plus?) and I appreciate 
not wanting to be misquoted or picked up on your poor translation, parsing etc. 
in another language (mine are non existent) - and the weird Portuguese 
insistence on phrases like 'this moment' instead of 'now' etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)
Sent: 16 May 2019 15:43
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Where do we go from here?

I think your summation of Jan transfer activity  is just about right Dave.
Of course Casilla could always come good.  Many keepers come through a spell of 
mess-ups.  It could just be that he needs a bit more time to learn the English 
football requirements, and the language possibly.

One think to look out  for is whether the incredible improvement in Cooper, 
Phillips, Klich and Roofe is maintained, or do they revert to their 2017-18 
levels?

I’ve still not written off Douglas completely, so let’s hope he stays fit and 
looks more like the Wolves version, rather than this season’s.

Cheers.
KOT.

From: nat...@sky.com [mailto:nat...@sky.com]
Sent: 16 May 2019 14:39
To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) ; Leeds List 

Subject: Re: [LU] Where do we go from here?

Of course with hindsight we messed up the Jan window totally, but at the time I 
think it was something like this BPF - looking dodgy - Blackman gone back 
injured, need new keeper got one Saiz - left - ready made replacement, almost 
back to full fitness - Izzy Brown Baker -left- not really played and when he 
did rubbish - another post injured player available - Tyler Roberts Goal scorer 
- again ready made one already at the club - Bamford (who did very well at 
first don't forget) Another winger needed - Dan James all sorted till Swansea 
chairman or whatever he was turned his phones off

Yes, we can be critical about them leaving James till last minute, and relying 
on 3 players coming back from fairly long injuries - Brown, Roberts, Bamford - 
2 of whom have been out injured again and one just did not fit the bill, and we 
can argue whether Casilla has been an improvement on BPF - I think prior to 
Sheff U red card we did, then after Ipswich and now last night we probably 
think we should have stuck with Bailey or brought in someone different

Looking at that it is clear that injuries have been our undoing - Blackman may 
have been the pick of the bunch, and the other 3 have failed to remain fit 
(Brown missed a few games)

Even last night we were without certain starters - Douglas, Alioski, Roofe, and 
then Roberts and Forshaw either of whom may have started and   Jansson (though 
could have been because injured for away leg and Berardi did well)

Add to that that the reserve left back Leif Davies who played well in his only 
game was out so we had a right winger at left back (even though Dallas had 
pretty much his best game and was a reasonable shout for our MoM)

I do not know how they work it out but we had 67 injuries over the season -an 
incredible amount and despite what the press say it had nothing to do with 
Beilsa and his methods

Of course it is all ifs and buts , but I do genuinely believe having seen bits 
of him since the transfer collapse that James would have made enough difference 
to get us over the line in second place.

Of course like everyone I am very down at the moment but I really and truly 
think that with a little bit of good transfer business the future of the team 
and the club in general (we will have 23,000 season ticket holders so no more 
17,000 crowds in midweek) is looking better than it has for years

We have a great crop of youngsters to go with Clarke and Shack and are probably 
not under pressure to sell any of our first team players,.- just get rid of the 
dead wood that is out on loan (maybe give Wilkes at least a try out, ditto Jay 
Roy Grott- though not sure he would want to come back and quite what standard 
he is doing well in) Also daft as it may seem since we have no chance of 
getting the £6m for him, can Saiz be rehabilitated at Leeds ?

We do need to do much better in the loan market - of our 4 loanees , one was 
injured without playing (Blackman) one rubbish and hardly got a kick (Baker) 
one just did not seem to fit so only played 11 minutes (Brown) and one 
reasonable success without really ever stamping his authority on things in the 
way say Mooey did at Hudds or Tammy Abraham is doing at Villa It does seem to 
be a recurring problem with England internationals Berkley and Townsend b

Re: [LU] Damn

[Joe Skinner]

I didn’t mean that card last night specifically, I was referring to the general 
shithousery Bamford seems to enjoy and look for – the face holding that got him 
a retrospective ban. Alioski is even worse. Waving imaginary cards.

I mean in general, I’d rather have a striker who put himself about a bit, i.e. 
Shearer elbowing some argie to get Sol Campbell’s goal in the WC disallowed is 
preferable to rolling about trying to get someone off.

I thought last night’s challenge was fair – not a penalty but definitely not a 
dive or yellow. Keogh’s thigh made contact with Bamford, as his follow through 
motion would also confirm. The game has gone a bit in that respect. Players 
kicking their own heels to make faux contact etc.

That Keogh did something as bad later and didn’t get anything for it is more 
annoying (anticipated a challenge that never really came but won the free kick) 
but because Bamford is a pathetic shithouse (compared to Keogh who is a proper 
shithouse), Bamford lost the ‘challenge’, gave away a FK, disrupted our 
momentum and then also conceded possession, spent 3 mins whinging about it, 
instead of focusing on the real challenge at hand! The ref’s hand was already 
tipped, he gave away a yellow early doors BECAUSE it was Bamford and the ref 
wanted to put a marker down.

Then, obviously, he’s on a yellow and has to play within himself to avoid a 
red. Because he’s a balsa wood mingebag.

Even Pablo was up for it yesterday. Seriously, just get on with it. There was 
minimal accidental contact in his eye/face. You’re 36, not 12.

Dallas did, once he was launched and the other time someone left his studs on 
him semi-deliberately.

From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: 16 May 2019 14:47
To: Jim Moran ; Joe Skinner 

Cc: Leeds leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Damn

I would expect 90% of strikers to go down nowadays after that challenge. There 
was definite contact.

Nick

On Thursday, May 16, 2019, 4:21:14 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


I’d also rather have a striker who got a yellow for elbowing someone than 
diving (if they can’t score)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 May 2019, at 08:07, Jim Moran 
> mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> In the cold light of day, my reflection is this.
>
> If you allow Richard Keogh to play like Paulo Maldini then you deserve to
> lose.
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 07:32, Richard Walker 
> mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed Jim.
>>
>> However I’d call it an annoying rather than catchy chant.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 22:09, Jim Moran 
>>> mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hernandez hasn’t shown up for a month. And without him, we always
>> struggle.
>>>
>>> Kiko needs to go. Forget the catchy chant. He’s shit.
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 22:01, Alec McQueen 
>>>> mailto:alec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But inevitable... to be honest I am not that disappointed. I thought the
>>>> writing has been on the wall for some time. The weird result was the
>> away
>>>> win at derby.
>>>>
>>>> Now, the critical thing is whether Bielsa will give up on us or whether
>> he
>>>> will stay. If he stays, then we need 3-4 serious signings, and we stand
>> a
>>>> chance of auto promotion next season. Any other scenario, back to
>> mid-table
>>>> obscurity.
>>>>
>>>> We were going to get absolutely torn to shred in the premier league
>>>> anyway. At least we can look forward to winning a few next season.
>>>>
>>>> But, still, damn!
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Alec
>>>>
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Re: [LU] Shite

[Joe Skinner]

It’s almost at times like he’s more bothered that he got a foul awarded against 
him, or that he was fouled, more than he missed or didn’t get into position.

Move on, fella! It’s not tiddlywinks.

Either that, or he’s carrying an injury and is worried about being injured.

Just the way he walks about annoys me, languid. There’s no urgency in his work. 
Reminds me of Viduka but at least he knew where the goal was sometimes.

Phillips was the same for me (last season), stroller and pointer. The game 
passed him by but this season, he’s been much better. Apart from last night, 
when Lappard put one of his players on him 1-1 and he panicked a bit.

I like the way this team works off the ball, playing out from defence but you 
wonder what the plan B was. Sky picked up quite early about the change in 
formation but did we do anything differently? Even at half time? Sticking to 
your principles is principled but…?

Maybe we just expect too much.

Difficult to get a good picture of the game on TV and there’s a reason I do 
what I do for a living and don’t work in football, I know fuck all.

From: Richard Walker 
Sent: 16 May 2019 12:21
To: gcwhite2001 ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Joe Skinner 

Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Shite

>>Bamford has some really nice touches but always seems to need to take one too 
>>many. I know we paid decent money for him but he feels like a luxury – maybe 
>>he needs a strike partner? Roofe seems to play better on >>his own and 
>>doesn’t seem to turn to dust when he plays out wide.

Yep - I said this. Neither Roofe or Bamford look comfortable to me as lone 
strikers. I think Bamford needs someone with Roofe's movement to give him a bit 
more space to operate in. Having said that, his confidence looks shot to me and 
i couldn't see him scoring at all last night.

On Thursday, 16 May 2019, 12:14:43 BST, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


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Re: [LU] Shite

[Joe Skinner]

If Bielsa stays, then hopefully we can have a better crack at Automatic 
(because our record in knockout/cup football is ludicrously bad except for a 
purple patch 20 years ago)  but promotion is more difficult every year:

Unless teams coming down are basket cases, they are generally better, unless 
they have to offload players (West Brom) – Fulham might struggle.

Cardiff, you’d imagine, would be organised enough and stable to be pushing like 
Sheff Utd. Plus like Billy Sharp, Warnock is one of those people that was a bit 
crap for us but much better elsewhere.

I can’t quite work out if we have any money (for transfers) – the bench was 
piss weak last night.

Can we fend off the inevitable enquiries for the obviously above average 
players we have like Roofe and Phillips?

Harrison will presumably go back to City, so there is a like for like 
replacement required, unless Alioski plays there but then left back is weak 
(problem all season defensively).

Cooper and Pontus whilst obviously trying their best are not quite good enough 
week in week out consistly. They all have a red card or stupid challenge 
waiting in them. The cover is poor or non-existent.

Hernandez is too old to be consistent. His legs have gone. We never replaced 
Saiz and whether we could is immaterial. He was good cover for Pablo and vice 
versa.

Bamford has some really nice touches but always seems to need to take one too 
many. I know we paid decent money for him but he feels like a luxury – maybe he 
needs a strike partner? Roofe seems to play better on his own and doesn’t seem 
to turn to dust when he plays out wide.

The ‘Keeper had an absolute mare yesterday, he was lucky not to concede 2-3 
more. What he thought he was doing is beyond me. Come if you’re coming and 
FUCKING GET RID OF IT. Don’t come and fuck about with it outside the box where 
you can’t use your hands. He was causing total panic.

The thought of this current team (mainly last season’s bang average one) in the 
Premier League is a bit scary.

Be nice if Shackleton and Clarke etc. could develop and play more, as they look 
pretty good to me (in spells)

I hope either FLD get pumped by Villa and we beat them home and away again, on 
the way to automatic promotion, or they go up and get destroyed in the PL and 
Frank gets sacked by Easter.

I know we’re a semi big fish in a small pond but everyone seems to raise their 
game when we play them and take the spite, niggle and extra preparation to the 
next level. Particularly this season. Tinpot players, clubs and managers giving 
it Jonny big bananas.

There were some bizarre ref decisions yesterday but I’ve come to expect that. 
You make your own luck.

Disappointing but not unexpected.

We have another ‘derby’ next season don’t we? Barnsley?

From: gcwhite2001 
Sent: 16 May 2019 11:57
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Joe Skinner 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Shite

Bloody Barcodes supporting barman from York said as I walked past the Irish pub 
this morning, "I'm getting a new beer, it's called Leeds United Promotion Ale. 
It's superb until Easter then it turns sour and nasty " Bastard.

Graham White



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 Original message 
From: John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Date: 16/05/2019 12:40 (GMT+01:00)
To: Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] Shite

Rich - what was utterly unbelievable was when the Sky commentator said “there’s 
a collectors item - a misplaced pass from Hernandez” At that point it was 
obvious he wasn’t watching the game! I thought he was shite - couldn’t find a 
white shirt to save his life.

I was boring the missus with ‘has Dallas ever had a better game for  Leeds’ 
etc. I doubt it!

I reckon he’s too old for another crack anyway, as is Cooper maybe.

Bamford simply dies not have the required mentality to play for us.

Sent from my iPad

> On 15 May 2019, at 23:26, Joe Skinner 
> mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Don’t forget the first team to be top of the league at Christmas and not go 
> up!
>
> I hope he stays, I think we’re fucked without him
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 15 May 2019, at 23:06, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hard to take - coming home on train.
>>
>> Defensively imploded and keeper has to take a large share of responsibility. 
>> Berardi is a liability, we all know that.
>>
>> But for me , the biggest disappointment of the night was Hernandez. Pass 
>> after pass going astray and it’s not the first time. The cunt can’t pass.
>>
>> Dallas was our best player by a mile -  that just says it all.
>>
>> First club in the history of the play offs to lose a tie after winning the 
>> away le

Re: [LU] Damn

[Joe Skinner]

I’d also rather have a striker who got a yellow for elbowing someone than 
diving (if they can’t score)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 May 2019, at 08:07, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> In the cold light of day, my reflection is this.
> 
> If you allow Richard Keogh to play like Paulo Maldini then you deserve to
> lose.
> 
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 07:32, Richard Walker 
> wrote:
> 
>> Agreed Jim.
>> 
>> However I’d call it an annoying rather than catchy chant.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 May 2019, at 22:09, Jim Moran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hernandez hasn’t shown up for a month. And without him, we always
>> struggle.
>>> 
>>> Kiko needs to go. Forget the catchy chant. He’s shit.
>>> 
 On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 22:01, Alec McQueen  wrote:
 
 But inevitable... to be honest I am not that disappointed. I thought the
 writing has been on the wall for some time. The weird result was the
>> away
 win at derby.
 
 Now, the critical thing is whether Bielsa will give up on us or whether
>> he
 will stay. If he stays, then we need 3-4 serious signings, and we stand
>> a
 chance of auto promotion next season. Any other scenario, back to
>> mid-table
 obscurity.
 
 We were going to get absolutely torn to shred in the premier league
 anyway. At least we can look forward to winning a few next season.
 
 But, still, damn!
 Cheers
 Alec
 
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Re: [LU] Shite

[Joe Skinner]

Don’t forget the first team to be top of the league at Christmas and not go up!

I hope he stays, I think we’re fucked without him

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> On 15 May 2019, at 23:06, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Hard to take - coming home on train.
> 
> Defensively imploded and keeper has to take a large share of responsibility. 
> Berardi is a liability, we all know that.
> 
> But for me , the biggest disappointment of the night was Hernandez. Pass 
> after pass going astray and it’s not the first time. The cunt can’t pass. 
> 
> Dallas was our best player by a mile -  that just says it all.
> 
> First club in the history of the play offs to lose a tie after winning the 
> away leg. These are records that we at Leeds are proud of. It’s the Leeds way.
> 
> Saved me a bastard fortune on bank holiday Monday this.
> 
> What a fucking disaster. Gutted.
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Re: [LU] London meet up(s) wednesday ?

[Joe Skinner]

The faltering full back is always good for sport but a bit of a dump 

Always preferred the dairy at the top on Stroud green road 

Can’t make either, I’m west these days 

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> On 14 May 2019, at 17:24, Guy Thornton  wrote:
> 
> 
> On my way over to London for meetings tomorrow.
> Had contemplated trying to get to Leeds for the game but won't be finished in 
> time so who's 
> watching the game in London and where?
> There is a possibility of meeting up with Big Al, saw him Saturday, but 
> that'll probably be SW/W 
> London and I'm stopping north london (stroud green/finsbury park) so checking 
> out other options 
> as not yet heard from Al.
> 
> guy
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] First half

[Joe Skinner]

I missed this first 30 mins (had to go and meet my family)... but:

We’ve been totally dominant - totally 

Shots are a bit weird and non existent

Great goal

We got a massive shout there with no pen

Are derby, sorry, frank lampard’s derby, at home or what? Piss poor 





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> On 11 May 2019, at 18:21, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Story of the season, no end product 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11 May 2019, at 18:08, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Happy with that so far but my main worry is that I don’t know where our goal 
>> is coming from?
>> 
>> Very happy with Roofe’s movement and happy to see Shackleton on.
>> 
>> Disappointments are Philips who looks pedestrian at times and gives away 
>> silly free kicks.
>> 
>> And Hernandez’s passing at times is shocking. I know I bang on about this 
>> but how can such a talented player misplace easy passes as frequently he 
>> does ? It’s criminal at times.
>> 
>> The main point though is how shit Derby look, they’ve got a couple of 
>> runners in Holmesand Lawrence but as a team they look clueless. Tempting 
>> fate I know.
>> 
>> Fucking hard work these play offs.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Play Off Semi

[Joe Skinner]

The counter to away goals counting double is that the home team has the 
‘advantage’ of being at home, For longer, I.e. extra time too 

But once you’re in a semi, as the last 2 euro games showed, it’s all relative 
and games can turn in an instant 

Seeing random fans interviewed on Sky etc. Cast my mind back to our euro games 

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> On 9 May 2019, at 10:22, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> I think away goals as a final deciding factor is OK but to my mind goals 
> scored in any extra time should not be counted - it seems unfair that the 
> teams are level after 2 x90mins but then if the away team score in extra time 
> the home team need to score twice 
> I have always thought it should either be - 2 x 90-mins and then look at away 
> goals and if equal go to pens
> or
> Get extra time if scores level after 2 x 90mins but do not look at away goals
> I supppose I am Ok with having away goals count after extra time but only 
> those scored in the 2 x 90mins
> (Hope you can understand / follow that)
> Yeah I remember the Oldham game (like a lot of Leeds fans, despite their 
> Chairman saying no Leeds fans can get in home sections, being down the side, 
> upper tier and jumping about (before my accident) on the roof thing when we 
> scored and then when we won. It was very odd, many fans thought we had gone 
> through at the end and then found out that was not the case, but extra time 
> was strange in that both teams seemed to just stop playing and let it totally 
> fizzle out (that may be my false memory but that is how I remember it)I also 
> remember thinking how unfair the system was (correct) and that it would be 
> scrapped (totallly incorrect with all the surrounding razzmatazz now) since 
> we had finished well behind Oldham but had a chance of going up instead of 
> them - no doubt we will all think the same if Derby knock us out having come 
> miles behind us !
> Dave
>On Thursday, 9 May 2019, 09:30:54 BST, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Yeah, I got my tickets too.  Tried to get in the queue before 9am, but it 
> wouldn't let you.  Ended up queuing for 15 mins from 9am and was in.
> 
> Like Rich, I was surprised how many there we left, but I guess it was only 
> 9.20!
> 
> I remember away goals counting in the early days of the play-offs, but only 
> after extra time.  If anyone is old enough to remember, Mickey Adams late 
> goal at Oldham in 1987.  Some Leeds fans did a mini pitch-invasion thinking 
> that had put us through, but we actually had to wait through another 30 mins 
> of extra time before the 'away goal' counted.
> 
> IMO that is the right way to use away goals, i.e. only after extra time has 
> been tried first.  I guess it interferes with travel plans in European Games, 
> but they can still go to extra time under the present system, just not as 
> often.
> 
> Must admit that it did add to the drama last night knowing that a Spurs goal 
> would put them through, not just equalise.
> 
> KL.
> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Joe Skinner]

On the plus side, we at least gave it a bit of a go second half for about 25 
mins

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 May 2019, at 14:32, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> That was bloody awful. Kemar Roofe’s performance was shocking and it was no 
> surprise when he skied the pen. What the hell was that run up all about. I 
> fear for us going into the playoffs now. Getting beat twice by 10 men.
> 
> Just about everyone is putting in below par performances.
> 
> The keeper is a fucking joke at the moment, all over the shop.
> 
> Dallas isn’t a left back and if we think we can get away with him in that 
> position then we’re stupid.
> 
> Hernandez’s passing today was atrocious. Time and time again he flicked balls 
> on to a blue shirt. He hasn’t done this as much this season but that was back 
> to his worst. He was crap today.
> 
> Jack Harrison didn’t have the beating of anyone and struggled all match.
> 
> It was a shocking defeat by a really shit team and I can’t see us doing 
> anything in the play offs. 
> 
> Pissed off.
> 
> 
>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:40, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>> 
>> The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 
>> 
>> Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 
>> 
>> We’re making Ipswich look half decent
>> 
>> They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it
>> 
>> Pedestrian and a bit aimless 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
>>> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and 
>>> with Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly 
>>> troubled them.
>>> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get 
>>> some confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early 
>>> season performances.
>>> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
>>> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his 
>>> chance ?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Joe Skinner]

The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 

Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 

We’re making Ipswich look half decent

They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it

Pedestrian and a bit aimless 

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> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and with 
> Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly troubled them.
> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get some 
> confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early season 
> performances.
> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
> 
> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his chance ?
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] 1 down ht

[Joe Skinner]

I feel dirty.

Hopefully my national picks come in

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On 6 Apr 2019, at 17:10, Nicholas Armit 
mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Time to collect.

On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:27:17 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


I had a bad feeling about today and put a fiver on brum to win at 15/10

Hope I’m wrong

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Apr 2019, at 16:05, Robert Heath 
> mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Agreed.ditto QPR who were totally up for the game v us and
> today just rolled over for Norwich.
>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:59 PM nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com> 
>> mailto:nat...@sky.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Our own worse enemy again - a lot of slack passing then blew our 2 good
>> opportunites at 0 0 - first Roberts shoots instead of squaring to unmarked
>> player who would have had tap in, then Bamford should score but hits inside
>> of post and 52 seconds we let them break at us and score.
>> No real chances to equalise till ball fell to Alioski in the last minute
>> but he volleyed well wide
>> A massive 45 minutes coming up
>> We are suffering again for being everyones cup final - commentator has
>> said things like "Birmingham really up for it " " Brum working so hard" and
>> " very few empty seats" - will it be the same on Tuesday when they host
>> Sheff U - will it f*ck - it will be "Birmingham already on the beach" and "
>> you can hear the 1000 Sheffield fans in the half empty stadium"
>> Bitter - f*cking right I am
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] 1 down ht

[Joe Skinner]

I had a bad feeling about today and put a fiver on brum to win at 15/10

Hope I’m wrong 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Apr 2019, at 16:05, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Agreed.ditto QPR who were totally up for the game v us and
> today just rolled over for Norwich.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:59 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Our own worse enemy again - a lot of slack passing then blew our 2 good
>> opportunites at 0 0 - first Roberts shoots instead of squaring to unmarked
>> player who would have had tap in, then Bamford should score but hits inside
>> of post and 52 seconds we let them break at us and score.
>> No real chances to equalise till ball fell to Alioski in the last minute
>> but he volleyed well wide
>> A massive 45 minutes coming up
>> We are suffering again for being everyones cup final - commentator has
>> said things like "Birmingham really up for it " " Brum working so hard" and
>> " very few empty seats" - will it be the same on Tuesday when they host
>> Sheff U - will it f*ck - it will be "Birmingham already on the beach" and "
>> you can hear the 1000 Sheffield fans in the half empty stadium"
>> Bitter - f*cking right I am
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Villa game tickets

[Joe Skinner]

When I had my ST, no cup games were included anyway, so if I wanted, I could 
have my seat but if I wanted to go with mates, then I'd buy 2-3 or 4 and sit 
somewhere random together but I don't remember having to flex my ST muscles to 
get those 4

Maybe you could get them early as an ST holder and there were no restrictions. 

The Champs League seasons were the same from memory.

There was low takeup from glory hunters anyway, at least until the Depor [and 
Gala] games. 

Lazio was a bit of a dead rubber and empty from memory.

All of which isn't relevant to the current issue for you

I was West Stand paddock. Does anyone else remember the bloke who could come in 
every game, regardless of kick off time, literally as they kicked off, always 
sat down with fish and chips in newspaper! End of the row. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Steve Mosley
Sent: 04 April 2019 15:52
To: Richard Walker ; Leeds List 
; nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Villa game tickets

Yes.  Season Ticket holders are, by default gold members.

I remember the same issue when we were in Europe all those years ago.  As a 
West Stand Paddock ST holder, we often got relocated.  We had to buy our 
Champions League ticket, not knowing where we would sit in the ground, so to 
keep sitting next to my mate, we had to link our accounts and but the tickets 
together as one purchase.

Ticket release goes:

ST
SC - Gold
SC - Silver
General release

If you've bought / already got ST seat, and they limit it to one per member, 
you can't get a second, unless you link your account to a SC - Gold member and 
buy a ticket under their entitlement.

Best wishes,

Steve.

On 04/04/2019, 15:46, "Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist" 
 wrote:

 Anyone got any great ideas to work around this ? 
I had a silver membership then bought Gold - my mate gave me 50% towards 
that so he could get a ticket too. We're stuffed now. 
Do season ticket holders automatically get membership ? 
Anyone got a season ticket or gold membership who can't make Villa ? ok I 
know it's a stupid question. 

On Thursday, 4 April 2019, 11:18:16 BST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Not sure what people on here think - to be fair I reckon it is right - I 
spent 20 mins online this Monday getting  Wigan tickets on my ST for 2 mates 
who are silver members and who missed out for Sheff Wed game cos they had all 
sold out to STs and gold members
From YEP

Leeds United announced changes to ticket details for the final home game of 
the season against Aston Villa - but what were Whites fans saying about the 
decision?

The club have said that season ticket holders will now not being able to 
buy any extra tickets for the fixture while gold members will be limited to 
just one ticket per membership - read the full story here - and here's what 
fans were saying to the changes in allocation.


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Re: [LU] back on top

[Joe Skinner]

100% agree

Made me laugh.

Even joining in the chants etc.



From: John Lee 
Sent: 13 March 2019 11:51
To: David Nattan ; Joe Skinner 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] back on top

I thought Tony Gayle was atrocious at first - he'd clearly never seen Alioski 
at left back before given how often he made comments about Alioski popping up 
everywhere but left back.

However, by the end of the game I was warming to his stating of the obvious, 
and he was quite complimentary about Leeds, fans etc - made a change to hear 
someone saying nice things :-)




On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 10:25:41 GMT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


It was still the red button but they seem to have jazzed it up, if Tony Gayle 
stating the bleeding obvious is jazzing it up

How many games have been shown this season, must be the record?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of David Nattan
Sent: 13 March 2019 07:11
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Leeds List 2010 mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] back on top

Yeah my Bamford comment was a bit tongue in cheek - like all of them he was 
excellent We were on a sky sports channel not red button (sky arena?) that’s 
why we got replays and different angles etc I think the reason for our 
“fatalism” is our history - lost in the last 9 (?) finals - so often 2nd not 
1st in top division. Our teams over the years should have won much much more 
Dave

Sent from my iPod

> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:30, 
> bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Even when we’re brilliant I’m still cacking myself - how do Leeds fans get 
> rid of this fatalistic streak?  First half we were unplayable, and my only 
> criticism is we didn’t get the 5/6 goals we absolutely deserved. Get a result 
> on Saturday and we’ll be in a great position, but I wish one of the other 
> contenders would lose a couple sharpish. Bamford was brilliant first half, 
> but tried too hard in the second. Looks like a proper footballer though!
>
> On a technical point, good to see Sky’s red button coverage show some in game 
> replays.
>
>
>
>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:14, David Nathan 
>> mailto:nat...@sky.com>> wrote:
>>
>> That was impressive - apart from Bamfords 3 misses ! Win on Saturday
>> and we have a 5 point gap and firmly in the driving seat, a defeat
>> should not be fatal to us albeit it will be awful and hard to take.
>> Roll on Saturday 12 noon Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:11, Richard Naef 
>>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ailing got 2 assists
>>> I think that Brown is dropping down the pecking  list – Shackleton is 
>>> coming in midfield, so unless Hernandez get injured we might not see him 
>>> start this season.
>>> We can let Bamford off one shit game a season 😉
>>> Still a long long way to go……squeaky bum time getting closer.  Whichever of 
>>> the top 3 blinks (Belinda) first will lose out…..
>>> Let’s stuff the blades.
>>>
>>> ttfn
>>>
>>> Richard
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Re: [LU] back on top

[Joe Skinner]

It was still the red button but they seem to have jazzed it up, if Tony Gayle 
stating the bleeding obvious is jazzing it up

How many games have been shown this season, must be the record?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David Nattan
Sent: 13 March 2019 07:11
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] back on top

Yeah my Bamford comment was a bit tongue in cheek - like all of them he was 
excellent We were on a sky sports channel not red button (sky arena?) that’s 
why we got replays and different angles etc I think the reason for our 
“fatalism” is our history - lost in the last 9 (?) finals - so often 2nd not 
1st in top division. Our teams over the years should have won much much more 
Dave

Sent from my iPod

> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:30, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Even when we’re brilliant I’m still cacking myself - how do Leeds fans get 
> rid of this fatalistic streak?  First half we were unplayable, and my only 
> criticism is we didn’t get the 5/6 goals we absolutely deserved. Get a result 
> on Saturday and we’ll be in a great position, but I wish one of the other 
> contenders would lose a couple sharpish. Bamford was brilliant first half, 
> but tried too hard in the second. Looks like a proper footballer though!
> 
> On a technical point, good to see Sky’s red button coverage show some in game 
> replays.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:14, David Nathan  wrote:
>> 
>> That was impressive - apart from Bamfords 3 misses ! Win on Saturday 
>> and we have a 5 point gap and firmly in the driving seat, a defeat 
>> should not be fatal to us albeit it will be awful and hard to take. 
>> Roll on Saturday 12 noon Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:11, Richard Naef  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ailing got 2 assists
>>> I think that Brown is dropping down the pecking  list – Shackleton is 
>>> coming in midfield, so unless Hernandez get injured we might not see him 
>>> start this season.
>>> We can let Bamford off one shit game a season 😉
>>> Still a long long way to go……squeaky bum time getting closer.  Whichever of 
>>> the top 3 blinks (Belinda) first will lose out…..
>>> Let’s stuff the blades.
>>> 
>>> ttfn
>>> 
>>> Richard
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Re: [LU] 2-0

[Joe Skinner]

We’ve certainly got space to attack

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> On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:19, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> Good display, but it looks to me  it's partly because baggies are coming at 
> us, rather than letting us have possession?
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
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Re: [LU] you heard it here first

[Joe Skinner]

Ha.

That was so languid. He wasn’t even looking

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:01, Richard Naef  wrote:
> 
> That’s cos I was hugging my 'Live Love Laugh' pillows 😉 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 01 March 2019 19:48
> To: Mark Pilling 
> Cc: leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] you heard it here first
> 
> Boom.
> 
> Shows you what I know. Absolutely nothing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1 Mar 2019, at 18:54, Mark Pilling  wrote:
>> 
>> Leeds 6-0 WBA
>> 
>> Been waiting to happentonight's the night.
>> 
>> Rob, any sight of those Macaws?  And where's OzPete with the beer trolley?
>> My vodka's empty already.
>> 
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>> Nif
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Re: [LU] you heard it here first

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Boom.

Shows you what I know. Absolutely nothing.

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> On 1 Mar 2019, at 18:54, Mark Pilling  wrote:
> 
> Leeds 6-0 WBA
> 
> Been waiting to happentonight's the night.
> 
> Rob, any sight of those Macaws?  And where's OzPete with the beer trolley?
> My vodka's empty already.
> 
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Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

It's not all doom and gloom.

Even if we lost tonight and against Brizzle City. 

If Sheff Utd drew their 2 derbies, they'd still only be 2 pts ahead. If they 
won and we won the next game, then beat them at home. We'd be 2nd and have the 
whip hand. 

Just leaving Millwall, Brum etc. to beat. I have us losing a few and have us 
3rd for the last 5-6 games, going 2nd on the last day, winning at already 
relegated Ipswich with Stoke beating Sheff utd in the last minute.

It's the hope that kills you.

I'm assuming Norwich keep winning/their distance. Can't see them on 98 points 
but it might happen. 

https://www.worldfootball.net/table_calculator/eng-championship/


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist
Sent: 01 March 2019 13:55
To: nick ; Leeds List ; 
nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

 I think that is one thing we can (maybe) all agree on this season. While the 
quality has not always been there this team have put 100% on the line each 
game. That has not always been the case in previous seasons
Nick

On Friday, March 1, 2019, 8:51:54 AM EST, nat...@sky.com  
wrote:  
 
  I agree with Nick !!!Plenty of pre match drinks, get behind them for the full 
90+ mins and cheer them off at the end (irrespective of result as long as they 
have put the effort it)Let the rest of the season take care of itself Just sit 
back (stand up?) and enjoy the rideDave
    On Friday, 1 March 2019, 11:48:10 GMT, nick  
wrote:  
 
   I predict that I will cheer on the Leeds team come what may, that I
  won't boo at half time, that I will stay to the final whistle and that
  I won't believe that the season has been decided with something like 12
  games to go and everything to play for...I also predict that I will
  have a beer or two before kick off...

    On 01 March 2019 at 11:43 Robert Heath <[1]heathpalai...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    To the doom & gloom merchants: I always think that too many people
    pay far
    too much attention to the final score of a match before deciding
    whether a
    team has played well or badly. It is one of the beauties or
    maddening
    things about football that individual results frequently fail to
    reflect
    performances. I know it is a classic fool's error to draw
    conclusions about
    a match from only seeing the highlights, but...I have only
    seen the
    highlights of the QPR match, and I saw us slice through their
    defence with
    a brilliant move right from back to front which ended with Dallas
    and then
    Bamford being denied by their keeper..if one of them had
    gone in,
    and if their lad's fancy flick had not come off, things would not be
    looking so grim.
    So anyway, I am predicting a bounce back 2-0 win tonight.
    I'm hoping that Casilla can keep his first clean sheet, and that the
    mercurial Robson-Kanu plays like the donkey he looks most days and
    not the
    unplayable striker he occasionally morphs into (as he did in our
    away game)!
    On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM Joe Skinner
    <[2]jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    A bright start by Leeds, concede comedy and/or breakaway goal.
    Eventually
    get picked off again on the break before half time.
    Give it a go second half and pull one back.
    Slump to chastening 1-4 defeat. Their biggest shitehouse or Gayle to
    score
    hat trick.
    Leeds are falling apart to ring out for last 20 mins.
    Sent from my iPhone

    On 1 Mar 2019, at 11:03, Matt Anderson <[3]m...@leeds-united.net>
    wrote:
    Cant predict the score as it depends if the team v derby or the team
    v

    QPR turns up but I will have a small wager on WBA to score first
    after a
    defensive lapse
    >

    -Original Message-
    From: Leedslist <[4]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> On Behalf Of David
    Smail
    Sent: 01 March 2019 10:19
    To: [5]leedslist@gn.apc.org
    Subject: [LU] LU WBA Tonight
    With considerable discussion and opinion on the list regarding our

    recent performances, I suggest a list score prediction. Not
    influenced by
    loyalty, hope, or a disproportionate sense of doom and gloom or
    optimism,
    but purely
    >

    on raw football experience and knowledge.
    Many of us will remember Jabba's prediction league from many years
    ago

    on this list and I thought the top places in the league at the end
    of the
    season were held by fans who had a true insight into our club and
    our
    opponents without having to necessarily voice opinions or enter long
    debates.
    >
    >
    >

    I'll kick things off for tonight with 1-2.
    Remember, disassociate from being a supporter for a moment, if you
    can

    and think pure football.
    >
    >
    >

    Dave
    ___

Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

It’s not doom and gloom to me, it’s reality.

We can still lose and go up. Norwich and Sheff Utd can and will still lose 
games and drop points. Sheff U have a derby and us to play. I don’t care how we 
go up, as long as we go up. I don’t fancy us in the play offs. It might have to 
be next season.  So be it.

You’re either one of those people who has LOVE, LIFE, LIVE cushions and prints 
around the house, or you’re not.

I’m definitely not!

We played well in patches the other day, a match fit Bamford could easily have 
scored one, one of the other pinball moments could have gone in. We could have 
snatched a 2-1 win. We didn’t. We lost to a team who’d previously lost 7 on the 
bounce.

Make of that what you will.

From: Robert Heath 
Sent: 01 March 2019 11:44
To: Joe Skinner 
Cc: Matt Anderson ; leedslist@gn.apc.org; David Smail 

Subject: Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

To the doom & gloom merchants: I always think that too many people pay far too 
much attention to the final score of a match before deciding whether a team has 
played well or badly. It is one of the beauties or maddening things about 
football that individual results frequently fail to reflect performances. I 
know it is a classic fool's error to draw conclusions about a match from only 
seeing the highlights, but...I have only seen the highlights of the QPR 
match, and I saw us slice through their defence with a brilliant move right 
from back to front which ended with Dallas and then Bamford being denied by 
their keeper..if one of them had gone in, and if their lad's fancy 
flick had not come off, things would not be looking so grim.

So anyway, I am predicting a bounce back 2-0 win tonight.

I'm hoping that Casilla can keep his first clean sheet, and that the mercurial 
Robson-Kanu plays like the donkey he looks most days and not the unplayable 
striker he occasionally morphs into (as he did in our away game)!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
A bright start by Leeds, concede comedy and/or breakaway goal. Eventually get 
picked off again on the break before half time.

Give it a go second half and pull one back.

Slump to chastening 1-4 defeat. Their biggest shitehouse or Gayle to score hat 
trick.

Leeds are falling apart to ring out for last 20 mins.




Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 11:03, Matt Anderson 
> mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>> wrote:
>
> Cant predict the score as it depends if the team v derby or the team v QPR 
> turns up but I will have a small wager on WBA to score first after a 
> defensive lapse
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of David Smail
> Sent: 01 March 2019 10:19
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: [LU] LU WBA Tonight
>
> With considerable discussion and opinion on the list regarding our recent 
> performances, I suggest a list score prediction. Not influenced by loyalty, 
> hope,  or a disproportionate  sense of doom and gloom or optimism, but purely
>
> on raw football experience and knowledge.
>
>
>
> Many of us will remember Jabba's prediction league from many years ago on 
> this list and I thought the top places in the league at the end of the season 
> were held by fans who had a true insight into our club and our opponents 
> without having to necessarily voice opinions or enter long debates.
>
>
>
> I'll kick things off for tonight with 1-2.
>
> Remember, disassociate from being a supporter for a moment, if you can and 
> think pure football.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

[Joe Skinner]

A bright start by Leeds, concede comedy and/or breakaway goal. Eventually get 
picked off again on the break before half time.
 
Give it a go second half and pull one back.

Slump to chastening 1-4 defeat. Their biggest shitehouse or Gayle to score hat 
trick.

Leeds are falling apart to ring out for last 20 mins.




Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 11:03, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Cant predict the score as it depends if the team v derby or the team v QPR 
> turns up but I will have a small wager on WBA to score first after a 
> defensive lapse 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David Smail
> Sent: 01 March 2019 10:19
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] LU WBA Tonight
> 
> With considerable discussion and opinion on the list regarding our recent 
> performances, I suggest a list score prediction. Not influenced by loyalty, 
> hope,  or a disproportionate  sense of doom and gloom or optimism, but purely 
> 
> on raw football experience and knowledge. 
> 
> 
> 
> Many of us will remember Jabba's prediction league from many years ago on 
> this list and I thought the top places in the league at the end of the season 
> were held by fans who had a true insight into our club and our opponents 
> without having to necessarily voice opinions or enter long debates. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'll kick things off for tonight with 1-2.
> 
> Remember, disassociate from being a supporter for a moment, if you can and 
> think pure football. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] On the other hand.

[Joe Skinner]

If Izzy Brown is the answer, I really don't want to know what the question is!

The dickhead nearly got sent off (twice!) in about 5 mins

The step up between U23's and the first team is leagues apart, no pun intended.

On the plus side, we did give it a go for about 10 mins in the second half, a 
bit of pinball and shit shots from Douglas and Alioski. Could have snatched an 
undeserved draw.

Once Bamford's fully fit, I disagree with myself and agree with Rich earlier on 
in the season, his touch is lovely, nice awareness, skills - he is calm and has 
an eye for goal. Pity he's made out of balsa wood

If there was a bit of decent back up for Hernandez (Saiz) and Bamford/Roofe, 
then you could afford to take one or more of them off when it's not working.

He bought a keeper. I actually rate him. Couldn't stand the young lad, accident 
waiting to happen.

That said, this year with largely the same team is light years ahead. It's got 
me back watching from behind the sofa or my fingers again. It's remarkable he 
can get a collection of shitehawks in the top 3 for most of the season - how 
many of our players would another team want to actually buy? 

Roofe because of the goals?

I still think Phillips is absolutely fucking shite and the midfield an actual 
yawning chasm at times.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of David Smail
Sent: 27 February 2019 15:17
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.

It wasn't ONLY a "bummer of a result" Our lack of cutting edge is becoming more 
and more evident. For all our possession, undoubted fitness, and willingness, 
teams know they can let us have the ball for long periods in the safe knowledge 
we're unlikely to find an end result. There was only one well worked move from 
us that nearly ended in a goal. It's becoming mildly embarrassing that our same 
old same old approach isn't yielding many goals.
And then to cap it off, MB always states that with so much possession and 
domination, we didn't take our chances. I thought QPR were worthy of their win 
last night - they had a sparkle from time to time that we didn't. 

 

I think Brown, Roberts and Douglas are all poor, especially Brown - get him 
back to Chelsea and lose the other 2 quickly. How did any of these 3 manage to 
be signed - it's back to Doukara days. 

 

I think we'll do well to take a point from WBA on current form. I still see 
Norwich and Sheff U for auto promotion and a possible place for us in the play 
offs with WBA joining Norwich and Sheff U in promotion.

 

Not all doom and gloom though - it's been an incredible season and the best 
we've seen LU for some time.

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

A very fair point Sean - MB is unlikely to be here for more than another season 

at most. I hope he has now learnt he has underestimated the resources required 

for this 'project', and will want to give it another go having bought 4 or 5


quality players. It's not all over this season by a long chalk, but last night 

was a bummer of a result. 

 

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Re: [LU] QPR

[Joe Skinner]

Have we had a shot on goal yet?


Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Feb 2019, at 21:10, Jim Moran 
mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk>> wrote:

Klich much worse.

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 21:09, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
 philips off - poor game
On Tuesday, 26 February 2019, 20:36:37 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:

  loads of high tempo footy and at times we've swamped them but their keeper 
hasn't had much to do.
At times though we give the ball away cheaply. Tyler Roberts is bright and he 
looks for intelligent passes but thy rarely come off. Kilsch to me is 
struggling a bit, doesn't look like the same player to me. Philips has done ok 
but in a game like this he doesn't offer much and we've seen their pacey winger 
just walk past him with ease.
I think we must win this but we need to be a bit more accurate with our passing.
On Tuesday, 26 February 2019, 20:23:17 GMT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

 if we don’t paste this shower by 2 or 3, we’ll never go up.

I think they have a goal in them, though.

Liking the ref

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[LU] QPR

[Joe Skinner]

if we don’t paste this shower by 2 or 3, we’ll never go up.

I think they have a goal in them, though.

Liking the ref

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Re: [LU] 2-0

[Joe Skinner]

Actually, you're right -- on re-watching a few times (the red button has no 
rewind and they don't show replays) it was just in - well, in. That's all the 
matters

This, however, should’ve been a pen to us! 

https://twitter.com/LUFC_Goals/status/1095790451108401152?s=08

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
Sent: 13 February 2019 21:41
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: LEEDSLIST 
Subject: Re: [LU] 2-0

It was outside the box, though!

Pontus winds me up more, diving in. Stay on your feet man!

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> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:33, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Ayling! Just remind me again eh? FFS!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:02, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> U should write a book about him 😉
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> From: Michael Benjamin 
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
>> To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: 2-0
>> 
>> Absolute superb man management
>> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on 
>> behalf of Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] 2-0
>> 
>> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
>> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Naef
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
>> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
>> Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Heath
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
>> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] 2-0

[Joe Skinner]

It was outside the box, though!

Pontus winds me up more, diving in. Stay on your feet man!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:33, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Ayling! Just remind me again eh? FFS!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2019, at 21:02, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> U should write a book about him 😉
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> From: Michael Benjamin 
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:37
>> To: Richard Naef ; LEEDSLIST 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: 2-0
>> 
>> Absolute superb man management
>> Dr. Michael Benjamin
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on 
>> behalf of Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25:48 PM
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] 2-0
>> 
>> Great pass by Ayling to Alioski.   Imagine all those Leeds fans who thought 
>> he should be dropped.  Bielsa has forgotten more they've ever known!
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Naef
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 20:22
>> To: Robert Heath mailto:heathpalai...@gmail.com>>; 
>> Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Its on LUTV if u are abroad or in the UK with a VPN
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
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>> Behalf Of Robert Heath
>> Sent: 13 February 2019 19:21
>> To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: [LU] Link?
>> 
>> Anybody got a link for the match?
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Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

[Joe Skinner]

My first thought at the weekend when they said someone on the Leeds bench was 
taken ill, was that it would be Leeds for Bielsa to have a pitch side heart 
attack.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: 13 February 2019 10:08
To: leedslist ; N If ; Richard Naef 
; Michael Benjamin 
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

 they said that about Jock Stein.
On Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 09:51:02 GMT, Michael Benjamin 
 wrote:  
 
 No way he leaves.

Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:00:10 AM
To: leedslist; N If
Subject: Re: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

Mate, I have his prezzers carved upon my heart!  I know our romance won't last 
but I'm going 100% while it does.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of N If 

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:28:56 PM
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Let them take risks AND make mistakes, Beatitudes of Bielsa

under the impression some listers don't already read some of Bielsa's wonderful 
words.

Today I loved:

a) Acknowledging the drop in form but vehement support for a lad who's been a 
stalwart for us:

For me Bill Ayling is a great player. He is a complete player. When I say 
complete I mean that he can manage all aspects of the game.

He can defend as a full-back, as he can defend as a centre-back. He has an 
aerial game that is not very common for players who play as full-backs. And if 
we divide the pitch in three segments, taking into account the right hand side 
of the pitch, he defends well, he is very well in playing out, he takes risks 
when we have to organise and when we have to use the ball and the only thing 
that decreased a little bit is his offensive impact.

...The only thing I can tell about Bill Ayling, that he contribute a little 
less in attack and usually he was getting a grade of more than seven points, 
now it’s more than six points. [*apparently MB &co rate them all out of 10 
after each game]*

 But for me he’s a very important player for the team. He is a player that is 
an example for his team-mates, for the public, for the fans and in football you 
have very few players that don’t have ups and downs...

Maybe I’m not objective. Because I have a very special respect for him, for 
what he gives to the team. Because he always assumes and takes risks. And 
because he’s influenced for this feature that I admire a lot him. Obviously for 
me he’s better than what you think.


And then b) a beautiful football (and life) philosophy:


Nobody wants to concede the first goal.

If we only focused on the fact to prevent the opponent from scoring a goal, we 
would be doing something in the way you *[the interviewers]* are proposing.

If we share the energy between creating and defending the possibility for the 
opponent to score a goal is higher. This is a scientific analysis, a 
mathematical analysis. But from a football point of view if you dominate the 
game you have more chances to score goals and more chances not to concede goals.

…..

But you have actions of danger or situations that depend exclusively on the 
team who is attacking and you have other actions that are made easier by the 
team that is defending.

When you make it easier for the opponent to attack it’s when you make a 
mistake. But the mistake is part of football. If there’s something that you 
can’t ask to a football player, you can’t tell them ‘take risks but you are not 
allowed to make a mistake.’ Because it's just nonsense.

The best ones take risks and don’t make mistakes. Those are very few. If you 
tell a player takes risks but you're not allowed to make a mistake, the player 
has only one solution - he wouldn't take a risk.

And if you don’t take risks in football games, the game becomes less attractive.

And then the capacity of winning decreases. When you play your way you always 
compare yourself to the opponent.

If the only comparison we make is which team is not making mistakes, when two 
teams play with the goal of not making a mistake, the game is not attractive.


Cheers

unff
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Re: [LU] Rothrum

[Joe Skinner]

You'd think that for someone who does his research (and some) that he never 
picked up on what the Stoke manager said, as to why we struggled (bizarre ref 
decisions apart)

"It’s been well publicised Marcelo watched 26 Luton games and two Stoke games, 
so he’s well drilled on what our usual formation is, so we thought we may have 
to give him a surprise because, if he’s that well drilled on us, they’ve had 
plenty of time to work on it, so it’d be a difficult afternoon.

“We felt with the threats they’ve got and to give us the best chance to win the 
match we needed to be tactically right at it and I thought we were.”


Must admit, I don't get the Luton reference. Was Jones the Luton manager 
previously?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 24 January 2019 14:10
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Rothrum

So as expected Casilla is going to start - just hope he is ready for a bit of 
an aerial bombardment especially from set pieces and long throws. With Phillips 
replacing the (wrongly) suspended Pontus we will need the keeper to be dominant 
in the air.
We really need to get the 3 points tomorrow and get back to winning ways - as 
Bielsa says it is odd that Stoke, as he says our worse performance came on the 
back of our best one.
Get the win tomorrow and it will set us up nicely for the Norwich game - one of 
3 massive 6pointer home games between now and the end - Norwich, West Brom and 
Sheff U all have to visit us - 9 points from those 3 games and things will be 
looking good, 0 points on the other hand just does not bear thinking about.
One big worry is that apart from Derby (our only double so far) all the 'return 
games' have had the opposite result - Blackburn lost then won, Forest & Stoke 
won at home but then lost away - Hull won away then lost at home. IF repeated 
with the top 3 - we would beat WBA but lose the other two!

Casilla should be a good addition, and if we can get James sorted and Bamford 
fit (started full training again today) then we have got a decent chance of 
promotion  especially if the second half of the season is kinder than the first 
in terms of injuries - as Phil Hay pointed out we have had 13 different back 
four combinations this season !
Dave
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Re: [LU] More bile...

[Joe Skinner]

Derby Police confirmed that (there's a series of tweets between them and a 
leeds fan) - I hate twitter - anyway, they confirmed that the club member 
didn't have any pliers/bolt cutters etc. 

He's definitely on the spectrum - everyone is, that's why it's a spectrum but 
agree - in my limited knowledge of it (few family members are 
autistic/aspergers) he is definitely that way. 

Other reports say he was wearing club branded gear and in a club branded car!

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 18 January 2019 11:52
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] More bile...

 A couple of thoughts / comments about 'spying' First - I was out last night 
with some mates - 2 are Man City ST holders, 1 is scum and one Everton - All 
four agreed that 'everyone does it' 'nothing wrong with it' and ' media and 
other reaction well over the top' - no idea if these 4 are representative of 
fans in general but not one felt what we had done was wrong or deserved 
punishmentSecond - when the EFL /FA consider it all I hope they look at the 
stuff Lampard has said which contradicts tweets from the Derbyshire police who 
have catagorically denied that the person was on private land, that they 
themselves went onto the training ground (so no disruption of training - even 
Scott Carson said it delayed them for 5 minutes maximum) and that the bloke had 
pliers or other similar tools and so they released him without charge etc since 
no laws were brokenThird - I cannot believe (well I can, but it is strange) how 
none of the media seem to understand what Beilsa was saying - some have gone on 
about how meticulous his preparation is , others saying it is common-place, 
Phil Hay has had to correct Henry Winter and explain that the point of the 
presentation was - as Phil puts it "only point I'd make Henry is that Bielsa 
wasn't trying to suggest that his analysis was exceptional or unique. He was 
asking the question of whether one scouting trip could make a material 
difference to a result when the opposition had been so heavily researched 
already" 

Finally no-one has mentioned the fact, as pointed out by my wife the first time 
she watched Bielsa (and she is very knowledgeble in this area (it is her job) 
Bielsa clearly has at the very least Aspergers if not actual autism or to quote 
her "wow he is on the spectrum" - this explains his refusal for one on one 
interviews and his total lack of eye contact when speaking as well as his 
'obsessional nature and OCD' which he himself referred to - he did not spy to 
get an advantage as such, he did it because he could not sleep at night if he 
did not do everything possible - his own quote at the end shows his 
insecurities "I do it because I am stupid" - so in this era when football is 
all about 'mental health' even to the squiggle on players shirts surely 
Beilsa's mental state should be taken into account No doubt if we have a bad 
result tomorrow the press will blame it on the fact that we did not 'spy' on 
Stoke rather than individual or team performance Whatever F them all - we are 
Leeds and Bielsa is a brilliant manager for us I see our paranoia is being fed 
again this week with Troy Deeney getting a fine (Charlie Austin nothing) 
compared to Pontus's one match ban for slagging the ref - Dave
On Friday, 18 January 2019, 11:23:12 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I thought that was a pretty good article to be honest - nice to read one with 
a balanced view. Presumably not on Sky’s pay-roll :-)

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> 
> https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/jonathan-liew-crudencrusted-fo
> rums-skewing-average-opinion-of-bielsa-spying-37723917.html
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Re: [LU] Press conference

[Joe Skinner]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/jan/15/david-squires-on-football-spying-and-neil-warnock-brexit-thoughts

We even made the Guardian this week. 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
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Sent: 17 January 2019 12:26
To: Michael Gardiner 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Press conference

Yep, spot on Michael. 

So, come on EFL - don’t prat about - simply state as there are no rules against 
this the case is over! Wonder if that will happen? Hmm

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> On 17 Jan 2019, at 00:59, Michael Gardiner  
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> That, mates, was the most LEGENDARY performance in a Leeds badge this 
> year….and quite possibly ever.
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> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:07:14 +
> From: Chris Sheehan mailto:siodh...@gmail.com>>
> To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> mailto:nat...@sky.com>>
> Cc: "Leeds List \(leedslist@gn.apc.org\)" 
> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
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> 
> Following on Leeds Live and  he is giving a proper lecture to the 
> assembled.  What he is saying that through the amount of video 
> analysis they have done on each team they have built a huge database 
> of information on players, tactics, formations, they know exactly how 
> the opposing team are going to play.  Sending someone along to have a 
> look over a fence isn't going to add anything useful but if he doesn't 
> his OCD gets the better of him and he feels bad that he didn't cover 
> all bases :)  the dudes a legend...
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 16:16, nat...@sky.com 
> mailto:nat...@sky.com>> wrote:
> 
> Confident he is not leaving - it is probably just an attempt to keep 
> it off the question sheet tomorrowDave
>   On Wednesday, 16 January 2019, 16:03:49 GMT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
> 
> nope , Phil Hay stating it's about Spygate.
>   On Wednesday, 16 January 2019, 15:55:46 GMT, Graham Farr < 
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> 
> To show off our new keeper ?
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Re: [LU] Izzy Brown

[Joe Skinner]

Worth mentioning the 20-25 passes or so before it though! 

The finish wasn’t just a tap in either, a half volley from about 2 feet out.  
Or equally it could’ve come off his knee!

Unless I’m watching a different u23 Crewe goal video

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> On 14 Jan 2019, at 13:58, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Izzy has just scored for u23s to put us 1 up (at home to Crewe) - was a tap 
> in from literally a yard out but is another step oh his road to maybe 
> actually playing for the first teamPhillips , playing to keep him sharp 
> during his ban, has looked the best player on the pitch, Shackleton has 
> looked good at times as has Jordan Stevens
> Goal came from a good move and then a cross met virtually on the line by Brown
> Bamford not even on the bench so I assume he is still some away from playing 
> for the first team (likewise Berardi and Dallas- albeit we are not really 
> missing either of them) - we need a fit and on form Bamford in the final 
> months of the season to back up Roofe
> Huffer has made a couple of saves in a game that has been fairly mundane so 
> far
> Dave
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Re: [LU] 1-0 forest

[Joe Skinner]

It’s painful 

This lot are shite though, there for the taking

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> On 1 Jan 2019, at 15:12, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Absolute howler. Again.
> 
> Would be nice to not gift every team a couple of goal start before storming 
> back to win 
> 
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Re: [LU] I believe

[Joe Skinner]

It would be ‘Leeds’ for us to be the first team in 10 years top at Christmas to 
not to go up...

Shades of John Gregory at villa taking a squad photo.

Bielsa is nothing short of amazing with pretty much the same squad or core as 
last year.

Also pretty weird seeing us on the 10 o clock news (slow news day)

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> On 23 Dec 2018, at 19:07, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely Rev! 😉
> 
>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018, 18:55 > 
>> I think I’m on the same page as Ted - I’m glowing inside after that win,
>> and whilst I never underestimate the risk of calamity when it comes to
>> LUFC, the ability to win games even against adversity has me thinking this
>> could be the year.
>> 
>> Of course every time I hear an ‘expert’ tell me that every team who have
>> been at the top at Christmas has gone up etc makes me wonder if Fate is
>> awaking just to f*ck us up again?
>> 
>> But for now, I BELIEVE!
>> 
>> Happy Christmas all!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2018, at 18:11, Ted  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sometimes the world is a good place.
>>> 
>>> I was lucky enough to be ringside for Josh's demolition of Frampton last
>>> night in Scumchester, I didn't think the Selby fight could be matched but
>>> that was pure, world level, class.
>>> 
>>> Then today I watched my beloved Leeds (sadly today only TV) come back
>> from
>>> 2-0 down to beat one of the divisions tipped sides to win 3-2.
>>> I can't remember, in recent history, a better sporting weekend.
>>> 
>>> As an old bloke not much excites me these days but I'm absolutely buzzing
>>> today.
>>> 
>>> Fu*king marvellous.
>>> 
>>> Roll on Boxing Day.
>>> 
>>> MOT
>>> 
>>> Ted H
>>> p.s. I may have a hangover tmrw!
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018, 17:29 Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org wrote:
>>> 
 Yep I was at that game and remember it well. We demolished them.
 
 
> On 23 Dec 2018, at 16:46, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> In November 1991 it was the away win at Villa 4 1 that made me have
 belief that Wilko's team were the real deal and could genuinely win the
 titleWell today gives me that same belief - as i said pre game I feared
 another West Brom and at 2 down after 20mins I did fear another
>> hammering
 but to come back and win with the style we did then I am beginning to
 believe that this really will be our year
> One interesting stat is that for the top Division game in 91 the crowd
 was 23,000 today in the second Division it was over 41.000 !
> So all you overseas listers or others who do not get to watch the games
 live , I say to you "Believe"
> DaveForget Christmas Day I am already looking forward to Boxing Day
>> game
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Re: [LU] cabbage

[Joe Skinner]

His response is ever funnier.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nick
Sent: 03 October 2018 14:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] cabbage

   I just want to note that a cabbage was thrown at Steve Bruce yesterday,
   by disgruntled Villa fans.

   That is all.

   Nick
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Re: [LU] Preston

[Joe Skinner]

Subs - not on long.


This is something that really winds me up. 

Long term plan/style of play is very intensive, the squad isn't rotated much 
beyond cup games, so why don't some players (Bamford was waiting in the wings, 
Hernandez is old) get subbed for meaningful game time?

Now some of them are injured...? 

It's hard getting into the gist of a game, mentally, physically etc. so late in 
the game and the exercise benefit is negligible [of being subbed on so late] - 
worse so if they don't warm up (I never seem to see subs warming up under him - 
maybe I'm not noticing it)



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Re: [LU] Telly Stuff

[Joe Skinner]

If you’re in the UK the sky phone app shows highlights and videos (I don’t have 
sky tv other than through virgin)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:57, Nigel Sykes  wrote:
> 
> Great tip Betty!  Having just arrived in France to find the handset on our
> satellite box had stopped working (so I would be unable to retune it to
> include Quest), I was wondering how I was going to watch the highlights.
> 
> Problem solved!
> 
> Nigel
> (the Dublin/France one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
> Boocock
> Sent: 25 August 2018 22:14
> To: Leedslist
> Subject: [LU] Telly Stuff
> 
> Just realised that the EFL show is not only on Quest HD free view (114 
> as opposed to shit view 37) but it's on the web (www.questod.co.uk) and 
> there's an android app and an iOS app. I watched today's goals under a 
> deep midnight blue, moonlit sky with a bottle of white (natch) on my 
> tablet up the back yard. Get tunneling comrades. Foxtrot Oscar Lineker
> 
> Betty
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[Joe Skinner]

You'd think that with Saiz presumably being man marked every game from here on 
in, a few things need to happen.

1.  Someone (Alioski for example) needs to take some responsibility and step 
up. 

2. Both of them need to cut out the crap, the diving, whinging, petulance, easy 
bookings, niggly stuff, constantly moaning - for one thing it shows even your 
basic footballer that he's lost it already and is off his game.

3. The rest of the 9 not being marked should be finding their own space and 
take more responsibility. Roofe for one has been doing this (from what little 
I've seen)

Even if it all goes tits up, even these 4-5 games have been better than 
virtually all of last season. So it's not just the players or manager, it's the 
whole thing. Even looking like you’re trying goes a long way.


. More problematic is the Saiz been man-marked and getting wound up scenario - 
we need more another creative option imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be 
banned at times.


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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[Joe Skinner]

How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as 
the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side, 
when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able to 
keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?

Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing 
should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.  

I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.

I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit 
and we pulled 2 back. What do I know? 

We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of 
aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls under 
Bielsa a bit different? 

Difficult to tell. 

Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even so... 
£7m? 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at 
the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look 
like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive 
difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a point 
in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but last 
night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full marks 
to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued with my lad 
who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't injured, I said I 
hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both an understanding of 
the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips was having a shocker 
and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I can recall DoL sitting 
on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had £30m of talent on the 
bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did nothing even though we all 
knew we were going to lose if he did not change things. Also I recall George 
Graham saying that managers often knew after a few minutes that they had things 
wrong but did not want to personnel until at least half time (preferrably not 
till 60mins) because to do so early was an admission that they had picked the 
wrong team So full marks to MB to having the nous and ability to know we needed 
to change and the bottle  /lack of fear to do so. To then make two more changes 
to try and win the game is also to be applauded One last point on the game - if 
Saiz (back to his moaning worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who 
argued over every decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two 
occasions did not get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real 
handful Anyway top of the league despite having what was reported in the press 
on fixture day as the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have 
been happy with 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two 
defeats) Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting 
to type for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) 
to be expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be 
fit sooner rather than later Dave

 
  
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Re: [LU] Incoming ?

[Joe Skinner]

Douglas?

Rich is having a nervous breakdown at the mention of that name 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Simon McNally
Sent: 25 July 2018 11:03
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Incoming ?

He looks a quality signing, we’ll pleased if we can pull t off.
Bielsa has played de Bock as left centre back in the pre season games so maybe 
he sees him there, rather than left wing back.
Pearce maybe as back up - probably unrealistic to expect him to play full 
season.

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 11:00, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Phil Hay reporting that we are in the process of sorting out a new 
> left back - Barry Douglas  aged 28 He is waiting for confirmation He 
> sounds decent ?
> "
> Barry Douglas is a Scottish left-back who starred for Wolves in their 
> Championship winning season last year.Douglas has often been used in a 
> wing-back slot for Wolves, due to his pace and creativity.Last season Douglas 
> played 40 matches for Wolves in all competitions. He scored five goals, while 
> chipping in with a stunning 15 assists.Many of those assists came from 
> dead-balls as Douglas is a set-piece specialist."
> Not sure where that leaves the likes of De Bock and Pearce 
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Re: [LU] this article on that tour - makes a lot of sense

[Joe Skinner]

Christ, like they've not been through enough, they have to watch Leeds?

Where next, Syria? 

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick
Sent: 27 April 2018 08:30
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] this article on that tour - makes a lot of sense

>From Moscowhite in the Square Ball:

https://www.thesquareball.net/leeds-united/square-ball-week-enjoy-game/ 


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Re: [LU] Any links?

[Joe Skinner]

Second half was much better but it’s a bit like comparing 2 dog shits you stood 
in.

Was it on tv? Christ I’d have turned it off. Pretty poor live although I hate 
watching games from the end, you don’t get a sense of the game.

Fulham are bang average, don’t get why they’re top 3, little bit of pace and 
decent defence.

We were pretty poor first half. Looked like we’d set up to keep it tight but 
we’re just sat back and went deeper and deeper. They scored an inevitable goal 
with an easy header which was a shame as whatever game plan they had was 
fizzling out. Ours seemed to be give Fulham the ball and they weren’t doing 
that much but they were piling the pressure on.

No sense of urgency once they scored though and Fulham just sat back passing 
the ball about

My issues with the team are that the 3 forward flair players are all flicks and 
heels but can’t keep the ball, get muscled off it and put in crosses to non 
existent players. I mean what is the fucking point?

Alioski and saiz are 2 halves of the same coin. Very little end product and 
shit house players, they’d rather piss and moan or go to ground than actually 
take a player on.

Hernandez is done. What quality he does have is impossible to consistently 
deliver something in this team or league. I bet all 3 would look much better in 
another team.

Oddly, conceding 2 and nearly conceding a couple more, I thought the defence 
did ‘ok’ but fuck me they’re a bugger’s muddle at times. Not sure Dallas is 
ever the answer at right back and beradi not much better at left.

Phillips I think is shite. Ekuban, how can he be offside so often? How does he 
get a game? He’s the tallest forward player yet I don’t think he won anything 
in the first 55 mins 

Viera was probably the best of a bad bunch. At least he’s tidy.

End of the game, foul throws. You know you have no chance to snatch anything. 
They’d given up about 80 mins in

Lassoga is a very poor man’s viduka. Another big guy who can’t use his physical 
attributes 

Keeper looked ok but a bit shell shocked s can be half. I did notice that 
pretty much every time he went to kick or throw it, no one was showing for him 
so he ends up booting it out and it comes back straight away because the team 
is too short and can’t keep it if they ever get it. It just invites pressure

Their second came, ironically, from a counter to our best chance when it looked 
like we might get something. Their crowd were starting to moan a bit and it 
looked like Fulham pissing about was going to back fire

Not particularly enthused about this team or teamwork or the game plan or even 
the formation. Feels like we’re going backwards 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Apr 2018, at 21:16, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Also Alioski can’t be offside like he was, Viera broke up momentum with a 
> shite shot and you can’t defend a counter attack with plenty of bodies like 
> that. 
> 
> Not quite sure what you enjoyed this half. Just had a bit more possession/ 
> energy before fucking it up. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 21:11, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> ekuban can't miss chances like that. 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 3 April 2018, 21:10:38 BST, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> credit to us - I thnk we've really give it some this half. Enjoying it now. 
>>On Tuesday, 3 April 2018, 20:46:33 BST, Jim Moran  
>> wrote:  
>> 
>> Don't bother.
>> 
>>> On 3 April 2018 at 19:59, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Couple on lufcstreams on twitter
>>> 
>>> If you have android try Mobdro
>>> 
>>> Or m.liveonline247.info and try everything twice as first time opens an
>>> add
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 3 Apr 2018, at 19:53, Einar S.  wrote:
 
 
 
 Sendt fra min iPhone
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