Re: [LU] NON LU: book recommendations

[Simon Austin]

Seconding Asher - he's basically Banks but with a conservative philosophy.

There's also Alastair Reynolds, who does big ships, AIs, etc, but in a 
relativistic universe.


And Ann Leckie's "Imperial Radch" trilogy, the first book of which won 
every SF award going. A ship's AI escapes destruction by hiding in one 
of it's own human drones and sets out for revenge.


- Si


On 11-Apr-16 4:23 PM, {broken-address} Graham White wrote:

If you prefer authors with a bit of a reputation then anything by Neal Asher or 
Gary Gibson, with the Neal Asher books you need to read them in the right order.

Also the Humanities Fire trilogy by Michael Cobley is pretty good - proper 
galaxy spanning space opera!

If you are willing to give an unknown author a try then I recommend:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Exiles-The-Progenitor-Trilogy-Book-ebook/dp/B003UYUWE2?ie=UTF8&keywords=dan%20worth&qid=1460387742&ref_=sr_1_6&s=digital-text&sr=1-6


That lot should keep you going for a while :-)   Better than watching LUFC 
anyway :-(

For fantasy with attitude try Joe Abercrombie or Richard Morgan.

Cheers
  
Graham White
  


 On Monday, 11 April 2016, 17:06, Richard Naef 
 wrote:
  


  Hi all,

  


I'm off for a few days holiday and struggling for a couple of books to take
with me - tho cos I'm cycling it'll be electronic versions.

  


I'm into Science Fiction and recently amused myself with re-reading all of
Iain M Bank's books.  Now for obvious reasons he's not going to write any
more, so I'm looking for a new obsession.

  


So a couple of questions to the list hive mind;

  


any recommendations for SF writers in the hard SF vein of Banks?,  I don't
like the term space opera but I guess that is kind of the thing I'm looking
for, space ships, big lasers, weird tech etc

  


thinking about nonSF,  I've never read any of Neil Gaiman's books and heard
they are very good and recommendations on where to start?

  


Just don't anyone mention that feckin' games of thrones shit

  


ttfn

  


Richard

  

  


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Re: [LU] Sacking McDermott: Did Cellino Do The Right Thing In The Wrong Way?

[Simon Austin]

We have those every year... at home usually.

Losing 6-1 to Watford last year. 5-0 to Blackpool the year before. That 
3-0 up to 6-4 down to Preston the year before. 5-2 to Barnsley and 4-0 
to Cardiff in that season as well.


And our cup runs have only flattered recently because we've been mainly 
playing Premier League teams. We've lost to a few no-marks when we 
weren't: Hereford in 2007. Histon the year after.


And it's not as if sacking the manager around this time has helped in 
either of the past two seasons we've tried it. We were 10th when Grayson 
was ditched in Feb 2012, and ended up 14. Warnock left us on 12th in 
March 2013, and we finished 13th.


- Si

On 12/02/2014 13:46, Phill Shields wrote:

I agree with this. Under him in the last month or so we had two back to back 
results/performances that are amongst the worst in the club's entire history.




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Re: [LU] Behind the scenes at Leeds?

[Simon Austin]

Suggestions on Twitter (natch) were that it was £500k upfront and the 
rest depending on things.


- Si

On 29/01/2014 17:16, Nicholas Armit wrote:

So how comes they didn't sell McCormack then?

Just wondering



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Re: [LU] Ross new captain

[Simon Austin]

He resigned it seems. Appears he felt he wasn't a good fit for the job 
and it was affecting his game.


- Si

On 16/01/2014 15:34, Richard Walker wrote:

Very interesting. Has Austin been sacked ?



On Thursday, 16 January 2014, 15:08, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
   
This is actually kind of a big deal I think:


http://www.leedsunited.com/news/article/56tkc99wg9z1v8l1dwupg2gy/title/ross-named-new-skipper?
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Re: [LU] charlton

[Simon Austin]

>From the Leeds on the Road event tonight, someone asked about Diouf not
playing much - McDermott (or McDerMOTt, as the schedule had him)
basically said he missed pre-season, he's been off on international
duty, been on compassionate leave and he'll not make it through a match.
So he prefers to play younger players. Eddie suggested later that he
can't run any more (he compared him to Robbie Fowler), and since Leeds
have signed up with Prozone to track how much players run in a game,
this may have some bearing on things.

- Si

On 08/11/13 20:08, Richard Naef wrote:
> BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
> I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
> adventurous?
>

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Re: [LU] Townsend

[Simon Austin]

Yeah, I don't remember him being disliked for his skill, but rather the
way he reacted to being dropped, which was to get his loan ended.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-loan-signing-andros-179813

And then his girlfriend stirred things up by posting his phone number on
Twitter after he cheated...

- Si

On 11/10/13 22:38, Richard walker wrote:
> I had a quick look back at my match reports when he was here and as I thought 
> , that performance against Burnley at home was probably one of the best I've 
> seen from a Leeds player in the championship ( I gave him 10) I think he lost 
> a bit of interest after that,
> .
>

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Re: [LU] Burnley report

[Simon Austin]

Opta.

I should probably put in my sig it's where I work, but I don't have a sig...

- Si

On 22/09/13 19:53, Phill Shields wrote:
> Thanks Simon. Source please?
>
> Simon Austin  wrote:
>
> Tonge 50/53 passes successful, 40/40 in the opposition half.
> Austin 38/52 and 22/33 for the same.
> Diouf 33/37, 26/30.
>
> - Si
>
> On 22/09/13 16:02, Richard Walker wrote:
>> Would be interested to see those stats. One stat is that Tonge had 94% 
>> completion rate   - not sure what that tells us? I know Austin would 
>> probably be under 20%
>>
>> On 22 Sep 2013, at 15:23, Phill Shields  wrote:
>>
>>> Fitness improved? I call him the clown because of his two bright red rosey 
>>> cheeks. He can't get up and down the pitch.
>>>
>>> Trying to find a website with players stats cos I know it will show him in 
>>> a bad light.
>>>
>>> Green easily our best player yesterday.
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: [LU] Burnley report

[Simon Austin]

Tonge 50/53 passes successful, 40/40 in the opposition half.
Austin 38/52 and 22/33 for the same.
Diouf 33/37, 26/30.

- Si

On 22/09/13 16:02, Richard Walker wrote:
> Would be interested to see those stats. One stat is that Tonge had 94% 
> completion rate   - not sure what that tells us? I know Austin would probably 
> be under 20%
>
> On 22 Sep 2013, at 15:23, Phill Shields  wrote:
>
>> Fitness improved? I call him the clown because of his two bright red rosey 
>> cheeks. He can't get up and down the pitch.
>>
>> Trying to find a website with players stats cos I know it will show him in a 
>> bad light.
>>
>> Green easily our best player yesterday.
>>
>>

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Re: [LU] Iumps

[Simon Austin]

In fairness, closer to 1/4 than 1/3. On the other hand, Joey Barton got
66/81 right.

- Si

On 01/09/2013 14:19, Nicholas Armit wrote:
> So nearly every third pass misplaced but better than in the past
> gamesso maybe we are both right!
>
> Nick
>
> ----
> *From:* Simon Austin 
> *To:* leedslist@gn.apc.org
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [LU] Iumps
>
> On 31/08/13 16:56, Richard Walker wrote:
> >> disagreed with Rich in an earlier game about Austin giving the ball
> away, but today he would have been totally right. Awful distribution.
> > Which is strange because I thought Austin did ok today. I think he
> only gave it away about 4 times which is good for him. Apart from that
> I thought he held the midfield together supported pretty well by Green.
>
> Misplaced 10 out of 36 passes, according to Opta stats. His most
> accurate game so far, but fewest passes made. Green had 41/50 going the
> right way.
>
> - Si
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Re: [LU] Iumps

[Simon Austin]

On 31/08/13 16:56, Richard Walker wrote:
>> disagreed with Rich in an earlier game about Austin giving the ball away, 
>> but today he would have been totally right. Awful distribution.
> Which is strange because I thought Austin did ok today. I think he only gave 
> it away about 4 times which is good for him. Apart from that I thought he 
> held the midfield together supported pretty well by Green. 

Misplaced 10 out of 36 passes, according to Opta stats. His most
accurate game so far, but fewest passes made. Green had 41/50 going the
right way.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Stadium Buy Back?

[Simon Austin]

Because, going by previous, we'll be “Red Bull Leeds”, playing in the
“Red Bull Arena” in a red and white kit.

cf Red Bull Salzburg, New York Red Bulls, Red Bull Brasil, Red Bull
Ghana and we'd-like-to-call-them-Red-Bull-but-the-DFL-won't-let-us
RasenBallsport “RB” Leipzig.

- Si

On 04/08/13 07:48, Dr Michael Benjamin wrote:
> Why not?
> We need some brass
> On Aug 4, 2013 9:25 AM, "John Boocock"  wrote:
>
>> Looks like there is a move to buy back ER, hope it doesn't involve Red Bull
>>
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[LU] Update! Re: Bates gone!

[Simon Austin]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/27/ken-bates-sacked-leeds-jet


Ken Bates says he was abruptly sacked from his tenure as the Leeds
United  president by the
new owners, GFH, after he entered the club into a contract with the
private aeroplane company 247 Jet that could be
used to fly him to Leeds from his Monaco home.

The cost of this contract to which Bates committed the Championship
club, which is under financial strain, is thought to be £500,000 over
three years.

Previously Bates has been flown by private jet. The costs of use of a
private jet to the club is understood from sources who have seen the
Leeds accounts to be around £120,000 a year. He told the /Observer/ that
his expenses had not changed for the eight years he was Leeds chairman,
and that GFH were well aware of them when they bought the club in
December. He declined to cover the details of precisely what they covered.

A key sticking point with GFH is that Bates did not gain the approval of
the board for the new, three-year private jet contract. Bates argues he
was not able to do so, and he was advised in June that as a director of
the club, he was able to bind the club into the contract.

"I saved the club money, because this was a sterling contract, rather
than euros," Bates said. "I did it in the best interests of the club."

Currently on holiday in Italy with his wife Suzannah, Bates said he
received a hand-delivered letter last Wednesday from GFH, raising
concerns. He expected to deal with it on his return from holiday, but
instead: "Two days later, they told me I was sacked."

Describing his treatment as "despicable," Bates said he is considering
suing. GFH said there were confidentiality agreements in place, and
declined to comment.



On 26/07/2013 21:08, Andy Pyzer wrote:
> Leeds United have confirmed that Ken Bates has left his role as their 
> president, ending his eight-and-a-half-year association with the club.
> The often-outspoken former Chelsea chairman bought Leeds in January 2005 and 
> held power at the club until signing over to the current owner, GFH Capital, 
> in December last year.
> Bates remained as chairman until 30 June when he started a three-year term as 
> president but that was abruptly ended on Friday night.
> A short statement from the managing director, David Haigh, read: "Ken Bates 
> has ceased to be president of Leeds United Football Club. Mr Bates will now 
> no longer have any role within the football club."
> It remains to be seen whether Bates, 81, will return to football in any 
> capacity. He famously bought Chelsea for £1 before selling out to Roman 
> Abramovich in 2003.
>  
> in the words of Basil Fawlty ' don't drive over any land mines' 
>  
> MOT
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Re: [LU] Germans tomorrw

[Simon Austin]

It's from their official site... albeit in German.

http://www.fcn.de/news/artikel/fan-info-zum-vorbereitungsspiel-in-leeds/

On 26/07/2013 17:20, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> Nurnberg have allegedly sold 550 tickets for tomorrow and have been given the 
> following information about pubs etc and what they can and cannot say
>
> I got it from waccoe but think it is genuine
>
> Dave
>
> The information we consider to be very reliable, only the assumption of the 
> area guests will not open, is wrong. The guest area is open, as already 
> written above in blocks B2 and B3 housed in the West as the club's fans. If 
> you want to go drink something to say before or after the game, it is 
> advisable to steer clear of the following pubs: "The Northern Monkey," "The 
> Tap Scarborough", "Spencer" (formerly the infamous Black Lion - where the 
> legend of Service crew began), "The Prince of Wales" and "The West Riding". 
> Recommended, however, are the "The Brewery Tap" in the Station Street Leeds 
> for locally brewed ale, the "Whitelocks Alehouse" and the "Turks Head Yard" 
> for real ales. This "The Hourglass" in the Lower Brigatte, on the edge of the 
> Gay Quarters gives out a good Guinness and a camp-drinker you can always go 
> to "The Beer Keller" in South Parade. All 1 FCN fans can feel at home there.
>
> Furthermore, there are some things in Leeds, which you can not pronounce 
> better loud. These include paeans to the hated rivals scum and the mention 
> that one likes to do holiday in Turkey (in 2000, two Leeds supporters in 
> Istanbul stabbed by Galatasaray supporters). A good ice-breaker, however, is 
> the saying: "Bayern Munich are cheats". Good to know, and kind of a homey 
> feel that this sentence is very much heard in Leeds.
>


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Re: [LU] 0 1

[Simon Austin]

Does pre-season mean anything? Last year we won 6 of 7 games, and came
13th. 11/12 4 wins, 2 draws - 14th. 10/11 4 wins, 2 losses - 7th. The
year we got promoted from League 1 we only won 2 and drew the other 5.
First season in League 1 we lost six pre-season games, then won 8 of the
first 10 league games (and would have been promoted, except for that -15).

- Si

On 20/07/2013 15:23, Dr Michael Benjamin wrote:
> I am dreading this season.
> Another poor preparation.
> I hope that I'm wrong
> On Jul 20, 2013 5:15 PM, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
>> Poor start to the game for us, let them open us up easily and we are 1
>> down after 11mins
>>
>> Dave
>>

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Re: [LU] Relegation

[Simon Austin]

Messing with the BBC predictor...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/predictor/default.stm

Six points would pretty much guarantee we stay up, even if every other
result went the worst way for us.

If we don't win another point, and things go to form, it's very very close.

- Si

On 06/04/2013 18:22, Jim Moran wrote:
> No chance. They will all drop points. 5 points below us is a massive massive 
> gap. 
>
> Teams above will (naturally) win more. I'd say a 5 point gap below is 
> equivalent to a 7-8 point gap above. 
>
> Still, we are an absolute shambles. 
>
>

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Re: [LU] Non LU: Tech Q. How to search the list achive

[Simon Austin]

On 25/11/2012 18:45, N If wrote:
> Hi gang.  Sorry.
> Is there a way to search the list archive (i want to retireve a half
> remembered post recently)
>
>

Plug something along the following lines into Google:

site:mailman.greennet.org.uk/pipermail/leedslist/ becchio

where Becchio is replaced by what you want to search for...

- Si
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Re: [LU] Non-LU: More tech help required.

[Simon Austin]

Depending on what iRiver, you might eke a bit more life out of it if you
put RockBox on it. http://www.rockbox.org/

- Si

On 25/10/2012 09:09, Kneale, Andy wrote:
> Doom und gloom, re: my iRiver.  I updated the firmware to the latest version 
> (which is still a few years old), and then converted the offending album as 
> Nigel suggested, to non-variable bit-rate MP3 files, but the same result.  I 
> then converted them to .WMA files, and still the same result.
>
> Methinks it might be time to upgrade my hardware.  What are the List's best 
> recommendations for a reliable, simple to use, 20GB+ player that doesn't cost 
> the earth, and doesn't crash every 5 minutes.  I don't want it to do anything 
> else but play music; I don't need it to store photos, be a phone, access the 
> web, tell me if my brother has reached the airport (ok I haven't got a 
> brother), give me the latest recipe for duchess potatoes, etc, etc.  I don't 
> care if it's the size of a house brick, as long as it works.
> >From looking at reviews on Amazon, it seems all the players have their 
> >faults.
>
> Gaffer

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Re: [LU] Interesting Question

[Simon Austin]

Probably doesn't pay to piss off the person you're trying to buy the
club from - save that for when you need to blame the previous regime.

I suppose, in a sense, the club is better off. Ken's put none of his own
cash in (and arguably taken some out), so they're living well within
means. But to get rid of that debt, loads of people were screwed over
during admin.

- Si

On 29/09/12 15:02, dave walmsley wrote:
> "The existing infrastructure of the club and the result of the work of Ken 
> Bates means that Leeds United is ready off the field to compete in the 
> Premier League."
>
> Taking personal hatred aside, is the club in a better state now than when 
> Bates first took over? Decent manager at last, not strangled by debt, some 
> infrastructure investment, Becchio upfront, Boocock banned from the ground 
> etc?
>
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Re: [LU] Blackburn

[Simon Austin]

On 01/09/2012 22:12, Richard Walker wrote:
> I think we will rack up the suspensions though playing at that level. Austin 
> deffo will be the first to get a suspension.
>

I have to defend my namesake, and point out that he hasn't actually got
a card yet... Varney has 3.

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Re: [LU] Mark Noble

[Simon Austin]

Likely to be untrue given it was on the fake Sky Sports twitter that
sprung up today...

https://twitter.com/SkySportssNews/status/241579971544481793

- Si

On 31/08/2012 19:43, Dr Michael Benjamin wrote:
> Don't believe it.  Good player.
> On Aug 31, 2012 8:24 PM, "Lee Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Currently at TA undergoing a medical. Not sure of any specifics.
>> Read it on the SSN website.
>>
>> Would be a decent signing IMO
>>

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Re: [LU] Kenneth

[Simon Austin]

On 22/08/2012 11:48, dave walmsley wrote:
> I have very mixed feelings about Ken Bates. Obviously he's a bit shady, and 
> we'd be better off owned by someone with a load of cash.
> However, he did take us on at a pretty dire time with a load of debt that I 
> believe we don't now have?
> If I had bought the club, I would probably be doing the same, namely running 
> it very tight, in the hope that I employ an ace manager that gets us promoted 
> on a shoestring, thereby increasing the value of the club, making us sexy 
> again and flogging it to someone really rich. 
> If he sells now to someone that doesn't have a lot of cash, how will we be in 
> a better position than with Ken at the helm? Won't we be back in the days of 
> Caspian? Or worse?
>

The Swiss Ramble came to the conclusion we're punching below our weight
under Ken, and that the profits are being spent on building work and
white elephants like Yorkshire Radio.
http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/leeds-united-marching-on-together.html

"If they targeted the 60% ratio adopted by Football League clubs in
Leagues One and Two, that would mean an increase of £3.1 million to
£19.6 million; if they opted for UEFA’s recommended upper limit of 70%,
that would mean an increase of £6.4 million to £22.9 million. Either of
those options would provide a budget good enough to mount a meaningful
promotion challenge, more than the two other clubs that went up in
2010/11: Norwich City £18.4 million and Swansea City £17.4 million."

"It also includes £4.6 million owed to other group companies (up from
£0.4 million the previous year), which means that money from the
football club is flowing to other companies, as opposed to being
invested in the squad. The holding company notes that £2.1 million has
gone to Yorkshire Radio."

"The cash flow statement shows that Leeds generates money at an
operating level (£9.1 million since administration), which is boosted by
£5.4 million cash from player sales, but £16.6 million has been spent on
capital projects, such as new executive boxes and lounges."
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[LU] [NON-LU] Nations and Olympics

[Simon Austin]

On 25/07/2012 21:49, Eric B wrote:
> some would say the UK is not a nation but a state, others call it a
> nation-state. Depends what you read and who you talk to. The jury is out on
> that one. As a foreigner I look at it as a state more
> than a nation, ref. the scots wants to have a referendum about
> independence. I ve never seen a nation divorce itself.
It's happened... Sudan/South Sudan, about a year ago. Held a referendum
and everything. Before that, eg Yugoslavia... now five different countries.
> It is definitively not fair that suddenly its team GB in some instances but
> in other instances its not. IE there is no GB in UEFA and FIFA football.
> But suddenly in the olympics its cool? Suddenly having a vaster pool to
> chose from is a form of cheating me says. Mind you, the french have got a
> bit of the same where they draw on athletes from the old colonies I think,
> right?

For some instances, you mean this one time. Normally, there's no Team GB
in Olympic football. They can't qualify because the qualifying
tournament is FIFA's under-21 competition, and there's no Team GB in
that. So, this once, because the host nation automatically qualifies,
there's a Team GB. And the worry is not that it's unfair for this one
time to pick from all of the UK (not that they can, as it's an under-23
competition), but that FIFA might try and suggest there should only be
one vote from the UK on the IFA Board (cf Blatter "why the hell do they
have four associations and four votes and their own vice-presidency?")
and the upshot of that is that a British team in FIFA/UEFA would
permanently have a vaster pool to choose from (though, to be fair, the
current SFA view is that no-one in the Scottish national team would get
in a GB one... so YMMV), and maybe three other countries would get to
vote on extra linesmen and the offside rule.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Tv

[Simon Austin]

On 18/04/12 19:19, Guy Bonello wrote:
> As a self-confessed "torrent addict" I have seen most of the US main
> shows and have comiled this list:
>
>
> "Must watch" Comedys
>
> Seinfeld
> Arrested Development
> Chappelle Show
> Curb your enthusiasm
> The Office
> The League
>

No Archer? For shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6KApzgtjU

- Si
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Re: [LU] NON LU List wisdom sought. Techie and Reffing

[Simon Austin]

On 15/04/2012 19:29, m wrote:
> 2.   BIBOTL: if a player commits a yellow or red card offence and
> advantage is played, shoukd th ref go back and award the caution at the next
> stop in play.eg cudicini should've received a red for bringing down adebayor
> today
>
As I heard it, since a red card could only have been given for denying a
clear goal scoring opportunity, and said opportunity wasn't denied, a
red couldn't have been given.

Similar questions from You are the Ref as well:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/13/you-are-the-ref-gomes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/25/laws-of-football
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/20/you-ref-trevillion-hackett-carragher
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/19/you-ref-trevillion-hackett-silva

- Si
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Re: [LU] Millwall Nil LUFC 1

[Simon Austin]

On 25/03/12 17:43, Ted wrote:
> Great to get a win down there yesterday. Just a couple of observations...
>
> I didn't see any turkey/gala flags/shirts etc, first time for a while. Mind
> u there were a few "turkey" chants.
>
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4218912/Millwall-fan-banned-for-10-years.html

MILLWALL have banned a supporter for 10 YEARS for goading Leeds United
fans with a Turkey flag at the New Den.

Leeds fans Christopher Loftus and Kevin Speight were stabbed to death in
Istanbul ahead of a UEFA Cup semi-final against Galatasaray in 2000.

And some sick Millwall yobs taunted opposition supporters with the
Turkish flag during Saturday's 1-0 home defeat.

The Lions have worked tirelessly to keep thugs away from the club and
they have confirmed the culprit who smuggled in the flag has been banned.

Club spokesman Deano Standing said: "The man concerned was apprehended
after the match and is not welcome at our club for an entire decade. He
has been banned.

"We worked so hard with Leeds to make sure this game passed off without
trouble and it did — but the club does not condone the behaviour of a
minority of the crowd.

"It is disappointing this person got into the stadium with the flag as
there were checks in place.

"There is no place for that kind of thing at the Den."

Last April, the Championship side banned four supporters for waving
Turkish flags in their 3-2 win over Leeds.

The South London club last week warned such flags were banned from being
taken into the stadium ahead of Saturday's match.

But FA and police chiefs will be alarmed that one was being openly
paraded on the terraces.

There were also sick chants of "always look out for Turks carrying
knives" and "Istanbul" coming from the Millwall terraces.

A police spokesman said: "Millwall have banned a male for a considerable
period of time for waving Turkish flag at visiting fans."
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Re: [LU] Quiet List

[Simon Austin]

I don't think you've seen enough, to be honest. Some of the games I've
been to have been truly dire - the 4-0 at Barnsley for example, or the
draw at Watford for which the term anti-football would be completely
inapplicable, because it still has the word football in it.

Of the 12 games I've been to this season before the 'Boro one... only
one was a legitimate win - the 3-0 at Doncaster. The two others we
needed red cards to help.

The surprising cup football has long gone - we may have beaten the Scum
two years ago, but they stuffed us 3-0 with Michael "Benchwarmer" Owen
at home the last time. And Arsenal's main impediment to beating us this
year was that they played Arshavin rather than someone who could shoot.

I feel Grayson was hard done by, both by Bates and by the players -
because if they can actually chase and deny space now, why they couldn't
manage it before is something of a scandal. But he's gone, and they're
doing what everyone's wanted them to do - actually put a shift in.
Whether this can be built on is a different matter (and even at 2-0 up I
still didn't feel confident on Sunday) but there's been noticeable
improvements from Portsmouth through the Southampton game to 'Boro, so I
may have to say it through gritted teeth, but Colin looks like he's
doing the right things.

- Si

On 13/03/2012 13:32, Damian Walsh wrote:
> I nearly posted on Sunday evening but thought "what's the point" - which
> just shows how wrong I was.
>
> I'm afraid I wasn't pleasantly surprised because in spite of winning I
> thought the football on show was pretty dire. Given that I only get to see
> the odd televised match these days it could be because (a) I don't know
> what I'm talking about [anymore?] or (b) you all watch them much more
> regularly so haven't noticed the decline over time ;)
>
> I get the "solid" bit, the chasing and denying space, I would add "some of
> their" in front of chances which to be fair is deja quelque chose, but I
> wasn't watching a promotion contender - even less so in Boro.
>
> The striking charateristic of Grayson's Leeds was their ability to play
> football which surprised Liverpool, ManU, Tottenham & Arsenal. Whilst you
> may have had to kick your way out of the second division in the old days, I
> think that QPR & Norwich (entre autres) have shown you're more likely
> nowadays to play your way out, and Sunday's Leeds didn't look like they
> could.
>

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Re: [LU] Portsmouth

[Simon Austin]

All the games are removed, as if the competition had had 23 teams from
the start. We'd lose 4 points. West Ham would lose 6.

- Si

On 01/03/12 16:20, Nicholas Armit wrote:
> Portsmouth administrator warns club may not complete the season
>
> What would happen to the points? Just be wiped out?
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Re: [LU] Becchio's winner

[Simon Austin]

On 18/02/2012 18:59, Guy Bonello wrote:
> no, somebody in Ireland found a live feed on his sat dish.
>
> looks like the BBC feed (as Bright and Dublin were watching the game in the 
> BBC studio)
>
Could be either, since Sky and the Beeb don't send separate crews even
to PL matches.

- Si
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[LU] Becchio News

[Simon Austin]

https://twitter.com/#!/FilipoNeves/status/169448520049364993


"My client Luciano Becchio is interested in signing a new contract but
Leeds United refuse to pay higher terms."

- Si
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Re: [LU] Becchio

[Simon Austin]

To be fair, they were all a bit crap. But then a snowy, freezing Ashton
Gate isn't exactly the best place to see sublime football.

Becchio's obviously leaving though - threw his shirt into the crowd at
the end of the game.

- Si

On 06/02/12 11:56, Richard Walker wrote:
> Yes, I'm going to bite at this one. His goal was against 10 men and I Haven't 
> seen the pass but will comment when I do. 
>  
> However, we need to ask someone who was at the game what was Becchio's 
> performance like - I had 2 mates who were there and they said he was dire. 
> Giving the ball away at every opporunity. Absolutely awful. 
>  
> Even Eddie, who is a big fan was slagging him off in the commentary. 
>  
> It's not a case of jumping on his every mistake - bloody hell, you caould 
> write a full match report on those, it's realising that the bloke isn't good 
> enough to lead the attack of a team looking for promotion. We all know that. 
>

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Re: [LU] Today

[Simon Austin]

3 points off I think.

I was there. We weren't brilliant. Too hesitant really. And Palace
nearly pulled off the same trick as last year, except the Ref (who was
fairly crap all over) moved the red card up to the end of the first half.

But it was an improvement on other recent matches (especially Watford,
where I began to despair I could ever enjoy football again). Even
Becchio managed to get the ball down, hold it up and pass to a team-mate
on one occasion.

- Si

On 14/01/2012 21:58, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
> We are one point off the playoffs, FFS! It's a tight league with a long way 
> to go.
> --Original Message--
> From: Nigel Sykes
> Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org
> To: 'LEEDSLIST'
> ReplyTo: ni...@sykesonline.com
> Subject: Re: [LU] Today
> Sent: 14 Jan 2012 21:49
>
>> What was the impression of today's game? 
> I wasn't there, but regardless of how they performed, the underlying fact is
> that we are continuing to slip inexorably down the league.  11th place now -
> staunchly mid-table, by any definition, and less than 1 win from being in
> the bottom half - indeed closer now to the bottom half than to the
> play-offs.
>
> Starting to despair...
>
>

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Re: [LU] Robbie Rogers

[Simon Austin]

He's a left-winger/midfielder (sources differ, but he definitely
operates towards the left). Scored a couple of times last season, and
set up a few. Seems to have been a regular in the side, but there's
mutterings of not quite making good on his early promise. There's a
touch of arrogance... or maybe he couldn't get the straight domain name
- http://www.THErobbierogers.com

He's on twitter https://twitter.com/#!/robbierogers - and seemed quite
chuffed to be at Leeds http://instagr.am/p/gQF8g/

The work permit is the sticking point. He's got quite a few games for
the US national side, but not enough to qualify automatically. TSS
suggest this may be difficult
http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/01/robbie-rogers-the-work-permit-problem/

- Si

On 11/01/2012 10:38, DAVID NATTAN wrote:
> Any US listers , or indeed any of you avid football watchers, know anything 
> about him ?He is a24 yr old winger with over 100 MLS appearances for Columbus 
> crew and we have signed him on a permanent deal (subject to work permit) with 
> claims that he is going to be in first team squad straight away.
> Dave
>

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Re: [LU] ESPN

[Simon Austin]

On 09/01/12 14:31, Nicholas Armit wrote:
> Is ESPN making any serious inroads into Sky's monopoly of football coverage 
> in the UK? They have definitely stepped up their share of coverage here in 
> the US.

Well, depends... the EU decided Sky shouldn't have a monopoly. So they
have six "packages" of premier league games spread over the weekend and
Monday night. No one broadcaster can buy all six. Originally, Setanta UK
had two of them (late Saturday and Monday night), but couldn't cover the
costs and went bust. ESPN currently have just the late Saturday game.

So... Sky no longer have a "monopoly", but they still have "exclusive"
matches and pay a massive amount to the PL. This makes everyone who
matters* happy.

(* Viewers, of course, have to pay for/get two channels if they want to
watch all the games... but eh... they're armchair fans)

- Si

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Re: [LU] Leeds fan or football fan ?

[Simon Austin]

On 08/01/2012 08:22, Richard Walker wrote:
> If you think about it what do you think of a neutral ( other than the press) 
> getting a ticket and attending a Leeds v Scum game.
>
> (a) why are they taking a ticket from genuine fans of both teams ?
> (b) what the fuck is it to do with them ?
Define neutral and genuine... chances are we'd sell out a Scum game
without neutrals, but you'd have to say since we're currently running
4th in average attendance and the highest gate is still 10k off the
official capacity of ER, that's including a lot of fair-weather fans,
ex-pats in for a big game and people who've this once overcome their
reluctances to give Ken money as genuine.

Plus, if only genuine fans can go, how will we get new ones?
Performances in those rare TV appearances have been spotty of late.

> Doesn't make sense. I think this is a symptom of modern day football fans who 
> probably support a few different teams. World is fucked ! 
It's not modern day football. One of the better chapters in "Why England
Lose" is on the myth that the one-team fan is and has always been in the
majority. If anything, fans are more partisan these days (and Nick
Hornby's Fever Pitch is apparently one reason for that).

- Si
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Re: [LU] Today's Stream

[Simon Austin]

I do think Rich might focus a little too much on Becchio's bad points (I
picture him at games staring unblinking at the poor lad, notebook in
hand, noting every error), but he hasn't been doing much in the last
couple of games I've been to - especially as hoofing the ball
Becchio-ward seems to be one of our more popular choices. At Derby, we
became noticeably better after they'd scored and he'd been hooked off
(looking at the PA stats, we had 9 shots before the 66th minute, and 6
after - whereas Derby had 12 in total and the 12th was their goal).

And there was a rumoured strop over not starting after he came back from
his Op.

- Si

On 27/12/11 22:24, Richard Walker wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As I said before stats can be misleading. In fact if you take becchio's   
> Goal record you might be mistaken in thinking this bloke ain't too bad. So 
> let's forget the stats and the tap-ins and let's look at 
> A) canthis bloke trap a ball ?
> B) do you want to see Leeds play in the style we do when Becchio plays up 
> front?
> C) do we want an Argie, cheating fucker who doesn't give 2 shits about us as 
> he proved the other week when he fucked off down the tunnel when everyone 
> else clapped the fans. We don't forget shit like that.
>
> Paul, come on you know the score ! We all do
>

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Re: [LU] Today's Stream

[Simon Austin]

On 27/12/11 15:43, Nicholas Armit wrote:
> According to the Derby goalkeeper:
>
> Speaking in the Derby Telegraph , Fielding said, "That's what it takes to 
> beat a good team like Leeds, who were probably one of the best teams we've 
> faced on our own turf this season.
>
> 'I thought they were superb, to be honest, and did everything but score a 
> goal.
>
> This assessment contradicts everything written on the list, but Grayson said 
> Leeds were very good. So which is true?
>
Football's somewhat of a confidence game, and I sometimes think players
and managers publically boost themselves and their teams because
otherwise they'd have to admit they were crap against poor opposition,
and then they'd get worse because against a crap team you should get
more shots/goals/possession/corners/applause/crowd noise. Or maybe their
plan was to crowd and stifle Snodgrass, and that because that worked
they were happy, ignoring the depressing football that remained.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Non LU - Suarez / Terry

[Simon Austin]

On 24/12/11 08:49, Mark Humphries wrote:
> Of course it was an insult, but not necessarily a RACIST insult.
>
> If I called someone, who was black, a 'twat' (or something more colourful -
> no pun intended), does that make me racist?
>
> If I called someone a 'black twat', does that make me racist?
>
> I do think we need to be a bit more intelligent when accusing people of
> being racist based on verbal insults - surely racism is insulting someone
> BECAUSE they are black, not simply using their colour/race/creed as a
> differentiator.  Just like calling someone a fat/ginger/whingeing/crap/bow
> legged/goofy/French/lanky/short/smelly/thick - twat.

You're kind of muddying the waters there... one act does not make you an
-ist. And as Liverpool noted, Evra and the FA explicitly said Suarez is
not a racist.

What Suarez has been found guilty of is breaking rule E3(1) "A
Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and
shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into
disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious
foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or
behaviour" and E3(2) "including a reference to any one or more of a
person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual
orientation or disability".

It's difficult to argue he didn't do that. Though a cynical view might
be if E3(1) was followed to the letter, most teams would have difficulty
fielding a side.

- Si


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Re: [LU] Non LU - Suarez / Terry

[Simon Austin]

There's a long article on such a defence here:
http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2011/12/21/what-did-suarez-actually-say-to-evra/

tl;dr version: Suarez used a term which could, between friends, be an
affectionate nickname - between opponents in a game, it likely was mean
to be insulting.

- Si

On 21/12/2011 15:31, McWilliams, Brendan, VF-Group (bmcwill) wrote:
> I gotta say, Suarez's reasoning - according to The Guardian at least - is 
> entirely plausible and the FA's punishment seems disproportionate to say the 
> least. 
>
> The N word in English has an equivalent in Spanish but Suarez apparently 
> didn't use it, instead he used the word "negro" [black] which whilst 
> literally true is not polite but light years away from the Spanish N word. 
> I've not travelled beyond a visit to Argentina in South America, but here in 
> Spain that's how they see the usage of the word negro.
>
>

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Re: [LU] Watford - stats misleading

[Simon Austin]

I don't think so much we were hammered, more both team were awful, but
Watford just about shaded it. We couldn't string two passes together,
and by the end were just hoofing it Becchio-ward - possibly because he'd
managed to get to a few early on, though the ball invariably went to a
Watford player next. They just played on the counter, and packed the
midfield. By the middle of the second half it was a game of
volleyball... I don't think anyone enjoyed it, and even the Watford fans
were leaving early. If football were covered by "statutory rights", we
should all be refunded the ticket price and both clubs deducted points.

Other than that though, it was a fun day.

- Si

On 10/12/2011 18:03, DAVID NATTAN wrote:
> Just like everyone else who listened to the game I thought that overall we 
> got hammered and 'stole' a pointHowever on looking at the match facts they 
> seem to show a different gamePossession was 50 % eachShots 10 - 7 to us 
> (although they shaded shots on target by 4 - 2)Corners we won 5 -3 Fouls (for 
> what they show) 13 - 11
> So just looking at the bare facts we appeared to shade the game
> I think it shows how useless bare statistics are in football when in 
> additition to radio listeners all the reports suggest that we did not deserve 
> anything out of the game
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Arsenal

[Simon Austin]

ESPN has also claimed engineering works at the weekend were a cause.
Although not why this won't affect Man U fans travelling to the game
against Man City.

https://twitter.com/#!/ESPNTVUK/status/144397331930955776

- Si

(Joke shamelessly stolen from Andrew Haigh)

On 07/12/2011 11:10, Leeds List wrote:
> To be fair, four London clubs have home ties that weekend and Bradford are 
> playing at Watford so there was no way that Plod would allow all the games to 
> be on the Saturday/Sunday. I would also assume that the prospect of TV money 
> helped KfB agree to move our game.
> Still a pain though for the majority of Leeds fans.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 7 Dec 2011, at 10:47, Richard Walker  wrote:
>
>> what a pisser ! THe only away game I was considering and they move it to a 
>> Monday night. 
>>
>>
>> From: Ted 
>> To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2011, 10:44
>> Subject: [LU] Arsenal
>>
>> Arsenal in the Cup been moved to Monday 9th at 7.45.  Live on ESPN
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Results

[Simon Austin]

On 29/10/11 17:15, Ted wrote:
> Well, not too bad for us today - a two goal win tmrw will put us third. My
> money's on 3-1 to us.

One goal and we'd be third on goals scored.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Grayson

[Simon Austin]

On 19/10/11 07:51, Dr Michael Benjamin wrote:
> Seriously
> I wonder just what effect this shagging around has on the dressing room?
>

Surely very little now given he moved out "a while ago" after the affair
started "earlier this year".

- Si
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Re: [LU] Moribund!

[Simon Austin]

On 16/10/2011 14:24, Paul Cundell wrote:
> Parkin is fat
>
I'd just like to repeat that watching him in a Donny shirt was the
easiest game of "Where's Wally" I've ever seen.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Portsmouth on TV

[Simon Austin]

On 29/09/2011 16:34, Nigel Sykes wrote:
> Not available in the UK and Ireland sadly.
>
> When are we going to get into the 21st Century with regards to live sports 
> delivery in the UK?
>
> I spend every weekend watching all the games I want, live or at my leisure, 
> for the US sports teams I follow (NFL, Baseball and NCAA Football).  The NFL 
> and MLB games can even be viewed on my iPhone (and the NCAA ones should be 
> soon as well).
>
>

A lot of that is because you're not in the US though. The NFL don't even
sell an Internet video feed to Americans (and will blackout local TV
channels if the game doesn't sell out). You can't watch your local team
on MLB.TV - even if they're not at home or the game isn't being shown on
proper TV. The NBA and NHL do something similar.

Even if the League were to want to sort out live broadcasts of every
Championship club (ignoring the relegation issue), the actual
availability in the UK probably wouldn't change.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Ross McCormack, Goal Machine

[Simon Austin]

Yeboah never scored in more than 3 in a row. Chappers did manage four.
Best we had in recent years was Rod Wallace, Viduka and Hasselbaink who
all managed five in a row.

- Si

On 25/09/2011 21:38, Ian Murray wrote:
> Awesome stat Si! Would've thought Chappers or Yeboah would've done that 
> though.
>
> I
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Sep 2011, at 19:05, Simon Austin  wrote:
>
>> If anyone's interested in stats... McCormack's now scored in six league
>> games in a row - the first Leeds player to do it since John McCole in
>> 59/60. The record is 8 - Billy Furness in 31/32.
>>
>> - SI
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[LU] Ross McCormack, Goal Machine

[Simon Austin]

If anyone's interested in stats... McCormack's now scored in six league
games in a row - the first Leeds player to do it since John McCole in
59/60. The record is 8 - Billy Furness in 31/32.

- SI
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Re: [LU] surprise signing !!

[Simon Austin]

On 22/09/2011 11:42, DAVID NATTAN wrote:
> I suspect he will be brought in at left back initially with White being moved 
> to left midfield.Whether White has the pace and skill to replace Max we will 
> soon find out.I suppose the other option is to keep White at LB and Pugh at 
> left midfield.Or we may go narrower in midfield with Pugh at LB and Mika V 
> being brought in alongside Clayton, Howson and Snoddy.
>

According to Duncan Castles on the Twitters, we're still looking for a
LB and Pugh will be in midfield (alongside Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub of
course).

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Re: [LU] Bates reveals Gradel fee

[Simon Austin]

And, on that note, on the Twitters from Duncan Castles of the Sunday Times:

"Just under €2million was the fee Saint-Etienne paid for Max Gradel.
Player got a very chunky pay rise out of it"

According to Google the current exchange rate:

2 million Euros = 1.75801677 million British pounds

And a few players we were supposedly after:

"Been asked not to say [some names], but as I said yesterday there was
an interest in [Danny] Collins."

"Leeds were also in for at least two Premier League left backs but
couldn't get deals through."

"#LUFC were also in for David Bentley before West Ham offered him chance
to stay in London."

"That's correct. Puncheon deal was agreed until QPR came in for him and
he pulled out."

On 02/09/11 11:11, Simon Austin wrote:
> Of course one might not believe anything that comes out of Bates's mouth...
>

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[LU] Upcoming BBC documentary on Leeds

[Simon Austin]

Twitter chatter from David Conn, he of Bates's hate list and the Grauniad:

"Been filming in Geneva for BBC documentary on Leeds United. What a
story that club is #lufc"

"it's a BBC half hour documentary on Leeds United. This month, date to
be confirmed #lufc #twitterwhites"


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Re: [LU] Bates reveals Gradel fee

[Simon Austin]

On 02/09/11 11:19, Kitching, Mark wrote:
> But that's the loan market,  we can't spend £1mill on a player in the loan 
> market.
>
> Suppose you could say he can use the pot for wages though.
>
>

Apparently there are also "loan fees" now too. So it is possible to
spend in the loan market... on top of wages.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Where now?

[Simon Austin]

Or before

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bates-Out-Protest-at-Bremner-Statue-1330-on-13th-August/157417537669432

On 07/08/2011 17:41, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote:

My prediction for next week is that there will be some sort of 'Bates out' demo 
at the end of the game, which will be far more entertaining than anything that 
happens on the pitch.




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Re: [LU] Joey Barton

[Simon Austin]

US-only Internet radio. http://www.pandora.com

- Si

On 02/08/2011 20:24, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote:

What is Pandora? I'll have to watch it if they have plenty of Morrissey.




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Re: [LU] geordie report

[Simon Austin]

On 31/07/2011 22:56, Ian Murray wrote:

Did scum boy play?




Smith was injured - wasn't even on the bench.

- Si
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Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act

[Simon Austin]

On 04/07/2011 09:28, Ian Murray wrote:

Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - 
would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media.



Well, to be fair, depends on the constitution. Ours is... Article 10 of 
the Human Rights Act 1988:


"1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall 
include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information 
and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of 
frontiers."


"2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and 
responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, 
restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in 
a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial 
integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for 
the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation 
or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information 
received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and 
impartiality of the judiciary."


- Si
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Re: [LU] End of June || Bull Shitting

[Simon Austin]

Don't think any of those have been "about to happen". Of the ex-players, 
the only official word was on Smith and that was a bunch of ifs from 
Bates. The rest is just idle ex-player on a free tosh.


And Johnson's contract isn't up till the end of June, so Norwich can't 
sign him until then (or we cancel it, as for Beckford last year).


- Si

On 17/06/2011 07:55, Dr Michael Benjamin wrote:

Hi
Am I alone in thinking that we are being lied to [again] about imminent
arrivals and strengthening?
Whatever happened to Johnson, Boiwyer, Smith, Woodgate -- all 'about to
happen and didn't ' events?


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Re: [LU] Johnson etc.

[Simon Austin]

Pretty much. 2/3 of Snoddy's shots were from outside the box. Half of 
those were on target. 3 went in. Becchio only tried 9 times from 
outside, and missed all but one. Johnson had 32 shots from outside the 
box, of which a quarter were on target. Meanwhile, Mad Max tried 45 
times and got 1/2 on target. Howson's well our best from range though... 
60% of 25.


- Si

(This is the first year I've got proper data on Leeds at work... in the 
League 1 era, the PA just sent goals and cards).


On 11/06/2011 20:59, DAVID NATTAN wrote:

I can't get my head round these stats.Snoddy had only 4 fewer shots than 
Becchio and had a larger percentage on target ,which brings them almost level 
for shots on target and yet Becchio got 19 goals compared to Snoddys 6Does this 
mean that Snoddys shots were mainly saved (shooting from too far out) yet when 
Becchio got it on target 2 out of 3 went in (19 from 30 on target)- maybe cos 
most were from a few yards out ?
Dave



Who were the top 3?>

1 Gradel  89 shots 58%
2 Somma 36 58%
3 Howson 51 55%
4 Snoddy 55 55%
5 Becchio 59 51%
6 Paynter 20 45%
7 Killa 21 43%
8 McCormack 24 38%
9 Johnson 61 31%


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Re: [LU] Johnson etc.

[Simon Austin]

On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:

On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more, 
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's 
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.


- SI


Who were the top 3?


1 Gradel  89 shots 58%
2 Somma 36 58%
3 Howson 51 55%
4 Snoddy 55 55%
5 Becchio 59 51%
6 Paynter 20 45%
7 Killa 21 43%
8 McCormack 24 38%
9 Johnson 61 31%

Norwich

1 Hooligan 55 60%
2 Jackson 59 58%
3 That one out of Coldplay 51 51%
4 Lansbury 30 47%
5 Fox 22 46%
6 Crofts 55 42%
7 Holt 107 41%
8 Barnet 22 14%


- Si
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Re: [LU] Johnson etc.

[Simon Austin]

Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more, 
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's 
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.


- SI

On 10/06/2011 16:15, Mark Tuffey wrote:

Geez, neither Kilkenny or Johnson were able to help guide us to the promised 
land so I don't understand why some people are acting like we're losing Messi 
because we don't want to pay the wages or fees.
I expect their replacements to be an improvement and come December or so we can 
all assess this point. I imagine Johnson will be warming the bench at Norwich 
while the club sits in the relegation zone and we will be flying high atop the 
Championship.
Cheers
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Re: [LU] Jock cup final

[Simon Austin]

http://twitpic.com/50z730

- Si

On 22/05/2011 14:19, Jeremy Adams wrote:

Talking of Jocks, can anyone tell me who the Sunday Herald named as the 
footballer with the injunction? Can't get on to their website, assume it's 
overloaded.

Mind you maybe listowner doesn't want anything on this list about it?   

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Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?

[Simon Austin]

On 17/05/11 13:19, David Brennan wrote:
> Question is am I alone?  Does everyone else think the play-offs are a good 
> idea?  
As an attempt at extending the worth of games at the end of the season
they seem to work, though I think they could be improved to make
finishing third more of an advantage than it currently is. You can make
things too complicated there and there are some godawful play-off
systems around... consider the Belgian top division:

"A play-off phase is then played from March to May. The top 6 teams from
the regular season enter the play-offs 1, with each team playing their
opponents twice. The point system in the play-offs 1 is the same as
during the regular season, except that each team starts with half of the
points they won in the regular season. Points are rounded up to the
nearest integer. At the end of the play-offs 1, the first-placed team
becomes the champion of Belgium. If some teams are level in the ranking,
any points added due to rounding are first withdrawn from their total
points if applicable, before other criteria are taken into account.

"Teams ranked 7 to 14 after the regular season enter the play-offs 2,
with teams ranked 7th, 9th, 12th and 14th entering the group A and teams
ranked 8th, 10th, 11th and 13th entering the group B. In each group,
each team plays each of its 3 opponents twice. The winner of each group
plays the final game in two legs, to determine the winner of the
play-offs 2. The winner of the play-offs 2 then plays a home and away
game against either the fourth-placed or fifth-placed team from the
play-offs 1 for the final Europa League ticket, with the opponent
depending on the fact if the Belgian Cup winner ended in the top four of
the play-off 1 or not.

"Team ranked 15th and 16th after the regular season enter the relegation
play-off. It consists of 5 games between the 2 teams. The 15th-placed
team starts the play-offs with 3 points whereas the 16th-placed team
starts from zero. The loser of the relegation play-off is relegated to
the second division. The winner of that play-off enters the Belgian
Second Division Final Round
 with
3 teams from the second division. The winner of this Final Round plays
in the First Division the season thereafter."

- Si

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Re: [LU] QPR

[Simon Austin]

They signed a player, Alejandro Faurlin, but someone else owned some of 
his "economic rights" (whatever they are), and they didn't tell the FA 
about it until they wanted to buy them back, which is against the rules 
that were brought in after Tevez fuss. They also may have paid money to 
an unlicensed agent, and may have tried to hide the third party 
situation when Faurlin signed a contract extension.


This all makes Faurlin ineligible for some of his time at QPR, and 
playing ineligible players usually means a points deductions (Torquay 
and Hereford both lost points this season for doing it in 1 game, 
supposedly by accident) and Faurlin has played at least 80 games since 
he was signed.


- Si

On 04/05/2011 00:08, Dr. Michael Benjamin wrote:

Just what have they supposed to have done?
Why is it so awful?
Why the waiting till now?


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Re: [LU] [NON-LU] Boring Legal guff was Good omen?

[Simon Austin]

On 03/05/2011 23:05, Ian Murray wrote:

We need a constitution that protects everyone equally and binds the state and 
the individual. Who could argue with the principles of the US constitution?

I'd probably quibble over the bits allowing slavery...

- Si
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Re: [LU] NON LU- browsers

[Simon Austin]

Firefox + Noscript for normal browsing. Chrome to run ChromeDeck.

- Si

On 03/05/2011 19:12, Mark Tuffey wrote:

Any personal preferences between Explorer, Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera? 
Running Windows 7.
Cheers
Mark
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Re: [LU] Good omen?

[Simon Austin]

On 02/05/2011 17:42, Nicholas Armit wrote:

Sorry, but did all you royalists get 2 days off for the wedding? I thought The 
Thatch got rid of the May Bank Holiday...(could be well off base here).


Off base... 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/04/may-day-tradition-margaret-thatcher


With an expertly positioned 3-days off I had a straight run of 11 in 
total :) Just had to avoid the Internet/TV/People on Friday.


- Si
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Re: [LU] Hello?

[Simon Austin]

On 25/04/2011 08:34, Robert Heath wrote:

We#ve got a big game this evening!


I hope not, or I'll arrive about five hours early...

- Si
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Re: [LU] Oh dear....

[Simon Austin]

A little googling... and from http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=270 
and http://www.corshamref.org.uk/offhist.htm the offside rule in 1971 was...


   A player is offside if he is nearer his opponents’ goal line than
   the ball at the moment the ball is played unless:
   (a) He is in his own half of the field of play,
   (b) There are two of his opponents nearer to their own goal-line
   than he is.
   (c) The ball last touched an opponent or was last played by him.
   (d) He receives the ball direct from a goal kick, a corner kick, a
   throw-in, or when it was dropped by the referee.
   Punishment: For an infringement of this Law, an indirect free kick
   shall be taken by a player of the opposing team from the place where
   the infringement occurred.
   A player in the offside position shall not be penalized unless, in
   the opinion of the referee, he is interfering with the play or with
   an opponent, or is seeking to gain an advantage by being in an
   offside position.

And

   1. Off-side shall not be judged at the moment the player in question
   receives the ball, but at the moment when the ball is passed to him
   by one of his own side. A player who is not in an off-side position
   when one of his colleagues passes the ball to him or takes a
   free-kick, does not therefore become off-side if he goes forward
   during the flight of the ball.
   A player does not necessarily infringe this Law if he is in an
   off-side position and moves a little way beyond the boundary of the
   field of play to show clearly to the referee that he is not
   interfering with play, but if the referee considers that such a
   movement has a tactical aim, or is, in any way, a feint and the
   player takes part in the game immediately after, then the referee
   should blow his whistle for ' off-side.'

- Si

On 26/03/2011 00:34, Nigel Sykes wrote:

I can't be sure what the exact wording of the offside rule was in 1971, but
I assume that, barring the whole 'interfering with play' thing, it was
largely the same as it is now.  So, bearing in mind that the definition of
what exactly constitutes being in an 'offside position' might have changed,
then a player only needs to be in an offside position when one of his
teammates *touches* the ball to be considered offside.  Astle was certainly
in an offside position when his teammate intercepted (i.e. 'touched') the
ball, so he was offside. Its as simple as that isn't it?


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Re: [LU] Paynter straight red...

[Simon Austin]

On 19/03/11 21:14, Ted wrote:
> On 19 March 2011 21:06, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> Yes my mate said BB did ok. How about dropping Johnson and playing BB and
>> NK ?? Just a thought , at least we would be able to pass to each other
> Not too sure - I think we'd be a bit lightweight in midfield then.  I'm not
> Johnson's greatest fan but he does get stuck in.  Maybe we should have gone
> for a more defensive hard-man midfielder instead of a "play-maker".
> Although thinking about it, Bannan did get some good challenges in.  I don't
> know - I'm more indesicive than Grayson!
I did think... "hey, why's the mascot hugging the other players" before
kick-off. Then realised it was Bannan.

- Si
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Re: [LU] LU: Millwall

[Simon Austin]

Yes. Got the ticket as well.

- Si

On 17/03/2011 09:31, Robinson, Mick wrote:

Has anyone with just membership received their Millwall tickets already?



Mick



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Re: [LU] One for the stattoes

[Simon Austin]

But then, no-one until Connolly at 61, George "Harrison Ringo Starr John
Lennon Paul" McCartney at 81, Somma at 91 and Bradley at 98...

Going to suggest this is heavily biased towards time played.

- Si

On 14/02/11 10:48, Sean Emmott wrote:
> According to the Actim index, 4 of the 12 best players in the Championship
> this season are at Leeds:
> http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/actim/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=3888
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Re: [LU] Darren Bent Shock

[Simon Austin]

Analysis from the boys at work 
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_6668253,00.html


- Si

On 17/01/2011 22:02, Damian Walsh wrote:

Is it just me or does anyone else think that seeing "Darren Bent" and "18M
quid" in the same headline is an indication of the footballing world gone
mad...

Damian
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Re: [LU] Non LU - More on World Cup

[Simon Austin]

On 03/12/2010 21:23, John Sykes wrote:

If no one else, ITV, SKY or whatever was going to air with the story of
corruption, then why did BBC have to do it when they did.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2010/11/fifa_football_panorama.html

"In terms of its timing, we only obtained the list of these payments 
last month after a secret out-of-court settlement was reached in June 
2010 year. That followed an investigation into the ISL bribes by a Swiss 
magistrate and concluded with unnamed Fifa officials paying back £3.5 
million.



It has taken many weeks to ensure that the allegations we are making 
were properly tested and that all those named were given a fair 
opportunity to respond.


There have also been calls for us to put the programme out after the 
vote on the bid. I understand why people feel strongly about us not 
tipping the chances against England's 2018 bid.


But surely it's right for the British public to be informed about the 
nature of Fifa and its demands before we win - if we do?"


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Re: [LU] NonLU: 2030, not 2026

[Simon Austin]

The rotation was dropped, but there are still limitations. When a 
country wins, any other country from the same federation is blocked from 
bidding for the next two. That meant only Asia, Oceania, North America 
and Europe could bid for 2018 - but only the USA was willing to go up 
against European countries, until they pulled out to compete for 2022, 
when they felt they had a better chance without having the compete with 
any European countries.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bids#Rotation_policy

- Si

On 02/12/2010 17:22, Alan Edgar wrote:

So why did no European country bid for 2022 - and no non-European country for 
2018 ?
  
It may not be official, but I'd bet that 2026 isn't coming to Europe.


Cheers,

Al

--- On Thu, 2/12/10, markbu...@aol.com  wrote:


From: markbu...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LU] NonLU: 2030, not 2026
To: alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date: Thursday, 2 December, 2010, 16:26





Not so. The rota system was canned in 2007. Each tournament is open to bidding, 
as we have just seen.
  
Mark




2030 actually - there's a rota that means 2026 will go somewhere other than 
Europe.
  
Only every 3rd tournament is now due to be held on this continent, instead of alternate tournaments as it was until 2006.<<





  




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Re: [LU] Rabede

[Simon Austin]

Yes. It's a bit hagiographic, but a good read.

- Si

On 27/10/2010 16:40, Joe Skinner wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/oct/15/lucas-radebe-leeds-united-interview

Missed this last week, looks like a book is out.

Anyone read it?

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Re: [LU] Victory

[Simon Austin]

 On 16/10/2010 21:06, Øystein Bjøndal Lund wrote:

What I don't understand, and also don't like, is the tendency to go to the
corner to waste time at the end of the game. Why do we do that? We only
waste 2-10 seconds, we loose possession of the ball, we throw away our own
attack and we started with several minutes to go + 5 minutes extra time

Instead, we should try to take the corner, free kick etc. into the box, and
go for that 3rd goal that would bury the game...
Damned if you do, damned if you don't? The free kick is cleared, they 
rush up the other end and score. And someone else would be complaining 
"why didn't we keep it in the corner..."


- Si
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Re: [LU] England on t'telly tonight?

[Simon Austin]

 England's home games are on the "crown jewels" list and have to be 
shown on terrestrial. Away games are sold by the away FA and can go to 
anyone. The highlights are then sold on by the buyer, and sometimes they 
charge too much.


- Si

On 07/09/2010 20:40, Guy Thornton wrote:


   on sky which is as usual

   wasn't it t'same with world cup qualifying games, inc no terreratial 
highlights?

   doncaster? not surprised you're annoyed :)

   where's m'coat, off t'pub

   guy


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Re: [LU] I know you can't judge from TV highlights but ........

[Simon Austin]

 31 mins played. 3 passes (1 successful). 1 shot (0 on target).

- SI

On 16/08/10 12:44, Brendan Osborne wrote:
> ..anyone else think Beckford looked way out of his comfort zone playing 
> against Blackburn on Saturday?
>
>  
>
> He came on after 60 mins but I don't think the highlights showed him even 
> touch the ball, then again, I could've been dazzled by the pink shirts!!
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Ossie
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: [LU] non LU - first teccy question on the new list

[Simon Austin]

 Start Menu -> Control Panel -> Internet Options -> Programs tab -> Make
default button.

- Si

On 04/08/10 19:10, Matt Anderson wrote:
> Just bought a new laptop
>
>  
>
> I have windows 7 and am using MS outlook 2010.  When I click on a link in an
> email it takes me directly to Google chrome and says the page cannot be
> found.  
>
> If I cut the page link and open it in IE 8 it loads perfectly.
>
>  
>
> I've tried everything to change the default for opening a link in an email
> to IE8 but it doesn't seem to work.
>
>  
>
> I have even uninstalled Google chrome but it just gives me an error when I
> click on the link. I ten reinstalled it and the same problem happens again
>
>  
>
> Its driving me mad.
>
>  
>
> Any advice gratefully received
>
>  
>
> matt
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