Re: [LU] Luciano Becchio rules himself out of Rotherham v Leeds
I don't think it is that bad news. How many times have ex-players (even not very good ones) come back to haunt us? It is odd, how we all have a player that we love to hate. It is even more frustrating when the media/pundits seem to rate him. The one for me at the moment is Austin. AFAIC he falls into the 'shit footballer, who occasionally does something right' bracket. It really annoys me when the pundits focus on the one good thing he does, such as that long shot v Sheff Wed, then ignore the countless times he loses the ball or misplaces a simple pass. The fact that he is playing on the right of a Diamond means that often he is the guy in position to receive the ball out wide. When he gets it there is no chance of him controlling it quickly and putting in a telling ball. The chances are that the move loses all momentum at the very least. Also he should not be allowed to shoot from less than 35 yds, as at that distance, the ball has some chance of coming back down before it gets to the goal. FWIW I always put Becchio into the same category. His occasional 'right' was to put the ball in the net. You could argue till the cows come home, whether that is good enough for a striker. Back to lurking KOT. UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. UK Shared Business Services Ltd (UK SBS) is the new name for RCUK Shared Services Centre Ltd. While we migrate all our materials to the new name and new identity please bear with us. This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify UK SBS immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While UK SBS has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. The Company does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the company's opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. The Company reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and detecting crime. This message has been scanned by the iCritical Email Security Service. For more information please visit http://www.icritical.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano Becchio rules himself out of Rotherham v Leeds
Yeah I don't rate Austin either. From: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) kevin.le...@uksbs.co.uk To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano Becchio rules himself out of Rotherham v Leeds I don't think it is that bad news. How many times have ex-players (even not very good ones) come back to haunt us? It is odd, how we all have a player that we love to hate. It is even more frustrating when the media/pundits seem to rate him. The one for me at the moment is Austin. AFAIC he falls into the 'shit footballer, who occasionally does something right' bracket. It really annoys me when the pundits focus on the one good thing he does, such as that long shot v Sheff Wed, then ignore the countless times he loses the ball or misplaces a simple pass. The fact that he is playing on the right of a Diamond means that often he is the guy in position to receive the ball out wide. When he gets it there is no chance of him controlling it quickly and putting in a telling ball. The chances are that the move loses all momentum at the very least. Also he should not be allowed to shoot from less than 35 yds, as at that distance, the ball has some chance of coming back down before it gets to the goal. FWIW I always put Becchio into the same category. His occasional 'right' was to put the ball in the net. You could argue till the cows come home, whether that is good enough for a striker. Back to lurking KOT. UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. UK Shared Business Services Ltd (UK SBS) is the new name for RCUK Shared Services Centre Ltd. While we migrate all our materials to the new name and new identity please bear with us. This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify UK SBS immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While UK SBS has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. The Company does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the company's opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. The Company reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and detecting crime. This message has been scanned by the iCritical Email Security Service. For more information please visit http://www.icritical.com ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Luciano Becchio rules himself out of Rotherham v Leeds
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Re: [LU] Luciano Becchio rules himself out of Rotherham v Leeds
Damn. That is really bad news. On 13 Oct 2014, at 10:00, Richard Robson r.w.rob...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/10/13/luciano-becchio-rules-himself-out-of-rotherham-v-leeds-united-fi/ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org John 'Grampa' Sykes Rest In Peace old lad 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
[LU] Luciano!
For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 scorelines in his days with us when he was the lone scorer. Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be there or there abouts some of the time. I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
Just strikes me as a bit of desperation. Maybe a PR stunt to keep the fans onside for a bit longer. We're looking at bringing in an Arsenal player and your old favourite Becchio. BMD 'I asked about Becchio and he isn't available' Why bother telling us then we don't care. Is this his strategy ? did he consider this when he let Morrison go ? Pathetic ! Worrying times ahead I think. On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 scorelines in his days with us when he was the lone scorer. Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be there or there abouts some of the time. I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
Season target locked in now for me. Avoid relegation. Dave - Original Message - From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Just strikes me as a bit of desperation. Maybe a PR stunt to keep the fans onside for a bit longer. We're looking at bringing in an Arsenal player and your old favourite Becchio. BMD 'I asked about Becchio and he isn't available' Why bother telling us then we don't care. Is this his strategy ? did he consider this when he let Morrison go ? Pathetic ! Worrying times ahead I think. On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 scorelines in his days with us when he was the lone scorer. Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be there or there abouts some of the time. I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up. He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that time? Not great. On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. __**_ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.** uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslisthttp://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.**orgleedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. no point in attempting logic in this case, I long ago realised for some it's a visceral hate for the guy, based on personal opinions, nothing wrong with that, but nothing will change their view, f'rinstance him getting in our top 10 all time scorers was met with derision. It's just possible he wasn't the cause of our playing methods under Warnock and might just be able to adapt to our new tippytappy method. I think it is highly likely that he will come back on loan, so we'll find out pretty soon. Hopefully the already overstretched Leeds NHS will be able to handle the increase in aneurisms. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio? He did what he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 championship - I think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell over, moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity. He scored those goals under several different managers under different playing formations with different partners. I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to have him back (in his 90's guise obviously) ttfn Richard Triumph Computer Services 01273 505214 07974870424 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54 To: Sutton / Smail Cc: Leeds List (Post to list) Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up. He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that time? Not great. On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. __**_ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.** uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslisthttp://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/l istinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.**orgleedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the Premier League with Becchio. Having him back suggests to me that BMcD is happy with mid table mediocrity, which is pretty much what we look like we will be for the foreseeable, especially if Becchio returns to get some tap ins to paper over the cracks. On 1 October 2013 11:07, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.ukwrote: c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio? He did what he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 championship - I think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell over, moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity. He scored those goals under several different managers under different playing formations with different partners. I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to have him back (in his 90's guise obviously) ttfn Richard Triumph Computer Services 01273 505214 07974870424 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54 To: Sutton / Smail Cc: Leeds List (Post to list) Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up. He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that time? Not great. On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. __**_ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.** uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslisthttp://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/l istinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.**orgleedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
Is that strictly true? Or is it a touch of selective memory? Isn't it more the case that we never looked like getting near promotion to the Premier League with Becchio under Warnock and Bates? As I recall we got close under Grayson until Bates sold the midfield from under him. However, before Rich W has an eppy, you could say that with the service from that midfield anyone could score goals. Let's be fair, the Howson, Snodgrass, Clayton, Gradel midfield would not be out of place in most lower premiership sides. The fact that BMc can't rebuild that quality of line up over the summer isn't exactly surprising. We've been allowed to degrade into a lower championship squad and it's a long way back. Not sure quick loan fixes like Becchio or Beckford are the answer either. Cheers Paul On 1 October 2013 11:28, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote: We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the Premier League with Becchio. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
I agree - Becchio can't hold or control, but he does score and I'm willing to forego the other standard forward attributes for now if he can net us a few to keep us in this division. Who else is there at present? Beggars? choosers? Dave - Original Message - From: Robert Heath To: Sutton / Smail Cc: Ed Morrish ; Leeds List (Post to list) Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up. He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that time? Not great. On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] Luciano!
I was always fairly ambivalent towards Lucy - I never really understood the hero status he got compared to the stick the miles better (in my opinion) Beckford got in the same team. He did have a decent scoring record albeit,as with many strikers, it was inflated by a number of penalties in his last season (I know they still need scoring but it does over-exaggerate his goals per games ratio in a way) and to get into our top ten of all time is no mean feat. Having said all that I do tend to go with the adage 'never go back' - I know both Baird and to an extent Batty both came back and did well enough but they are the exception. Other than a morale boost amongst his many fans (and the opposite amongst his fewer but not insubstantial number of detractors) I do not see what he will bring to the team that we cannot get from other players out there who do not have his 'baggage' / history etc I think tonight is a massive game, lose or draw and the season is as good as over, win and we can all get a lift and begin to dream of getting near the play offs again. I think it is very important that we keep McDermott for the long term and a bad result tonight would begin to put pressure on him (even this early) and lose some of the goodwill that he has amongst fans. I am surprised that fans on waccoe are saying that even season ticket holders are giving tonight a miss due to recent results and performances. I cannot believe that anyone would pay £400 or whatever for a full seasons football and then pack it in after 4 home games - assuming that if today goes badly they will not be coming again ? Hopefully things will go right tonight and we will get a victory and maybe the first one where we win by more than 2 goals for a couple of seasons ! I see that Ian Harte is back in their squad, surely we have the pace somewhere in the team to take advantage of his lack of speed ? Dave ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Think you will be ok a you haven't started a massive personal attack on anyone!! I have been thinking about this. How can we possibly fail with a bid for Becchio on loan? He is rotting in the reserves pretty much any offer will do I would have thought unless it was deliberately low. 50% of fans loved Becchio, we aren't scoring gfh feel good factor is wilting, haigh likes the supportive tweets, How about a bid doomed to failure to keep a lot of fans happy that we trying to address problem with a hero returning. Upside is if we got him he is an option and murphy can be given time to grow into team without being this year's hate figure. Sent from my iPhone On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:47, Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote: I don't blame Becchio entirely for our poor record when he played. Not entirely. BUT, as Sir Richard Walker has so frequently pointed out , indeed to the point of tedium, we will never play the freeflowing, passing game which we all crave (or do we?) with Becchio in the team. (Getting nervous now because I am daring to contradict some one...I hope I am doing it in an adult way so Boocock isn't going to ban me.) On 1 October 2013 13:07, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.ukwrote: c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio? He did what he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 championship - I think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell over, moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity. He scored those goals under several different managers under different playing formations with different partners. I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to have him back (in his 90's guise obviously) ttfn Richard Triumph Computer Services 01273 505214 07974870424 -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54 To: Sutton / Smail Cc: Leeds List (Post to list) Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up. He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that time? Not great. On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, then what's wrong with that? Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging more of a passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing. Dave - Original Message - From: Ed Morrish edmorr...@gmail.com To: Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com Cc: errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds List (Post to list) leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Love the goals, not the player? On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, Sutton / Smail dsm...@dsmail.plus.com wrote: I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many other options. __**_ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.** uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslisthttp://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/l istinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.**orgleedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Agreed spot on, becchio wasn't the reason we have been shit for 10 years and there is no overnight fix from a man that sold everything and invested nothing and a manager who called Thorpe arch a cancer Problem is becchio was sold for something like £2m worth of new striker who is busy scoring for some other team so we gave away his goals for nothing Sent from my iPad On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:42, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote: Is that strictly true? Or is it a touch of selective memory? Isn't it more the case that we never looked like getting near promotion to the Premier League with Becchio under Warnock and Bates? As I recall we got close under Grayson until Bates sold the midfield from under him. However, before Rich W has an eppy, you could say that with the service from that midfield anyone could score goals. Let's be fair, the Howson, Snodgrass, Clayton, Gradel midfield would not be out of place in most lower premiership sides. The fact that BMc can't rebuild that quality of line up over the summer isn't exactly surprising. We've been allowed to degrade into a lower championship squad and it's a long way back. Not sure quick loan fixes like Becchio or Beckford are the answer either. Cheers Paul On 1 October 2013 11:28, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote: We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the Premier League with Becchio. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Well he's not back for tonights match whatever happens and it’s a must win, how about playing mccormack up front with Diouf in support. Murphy Austin, Green and Tonge in midfield, Byram Warnock Wootan and Pearce defence and Paddy in goal? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Sounds good to me. On 1 October 2013 16:29, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.ukwrote: Well he's not back for tonights match whatever happens and it’s a must win, how about playing mccormack up front with Diouf in support. Murphy Austin, Green and Tonge in midfield, Byram Warnock Wootan and Pearce defence and Paddy in goal? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Wotdrop Mowatt, our only decent player at Millwall? he started well, but he's still a young lad and we've got to win. I'd like to give Poleon a run but experience counts ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Didn't Gnabry play on Saturday and score (the 18 year old German)? They won't let him go he started the last two games. Maybe I am confusing the names From: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com To: Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: [LU] Luciano! From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Yep it was him. From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com To: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! Didn't Gnabry play on Saturday and score (the 18 year old German)? They won't let him go he started the last two games. Maybe I am confusing the names From: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com To: Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: [LU] Luciano! From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Yes. And BMD acknowledges he's unlikely to get him now. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Sep 2013, at 14:40, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: Didn't Gnabry play on Saturday and score (the 18 year old German)? They won't let him go he started the last two games. Maybe I am confusing the names From: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com To: Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: [LU] Luciano! From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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When BMD talked about the backlash, that was pre Becchio. I won't be returning to watch that dollop! Gnabry would have been good, but who ware we kidding on that front, even before he started to get a run out? From: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com To: Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013, 14:18 Subject: [LU] Luciano! From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Sam Vokes doing ok at moment Sent from my iPad On 30 Sep 2013, at 16:58, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe we can get Paynter back.. From: John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk To: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com; Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano! When BMD talked about the backlash, that was pre Becchio. I won't be returning to watch that dollop! Gnabry would have been good, but who ware we kidding on that front, even before he started to get a run out? From: Errand Fivefold errand.fivef...@talk21.com To: Leeds United E-MailList leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013, 14:18 Subject: [LU] Luciano! From the official Twitter/Facebook Feeds Leeds United Brian McDermott confirmed today that he has made enquiries about Luciano Becchio and Arsenal's Serge Gnabry... Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'-- ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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3-2! Come on...FFS for once let's hold on for 15 mins and win this! None of the top 6 are winning at the mo except us (cue 94th min winners flying in allover the country!) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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1-1 91st min. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
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Watt was hard done by, he did well to get off the shot. McCormack on the other hand...well does he have any idea what the goal looks like? I don't think he got ANYTHING on target today. Beechio...well taken. Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
