[LU] Spurs / relegation

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 " and that's how the world ends not  with a bang but with a Wimpey" John 
Cooper Clarke
We sat outside the pub in the sunshine drinking and smiling but none if us 
believed, we weren't discussing the possible permutations,  we all accepted 
reality ,  but if only . The one thing we knew was that we had to really go 
for  it against an on  the beach Spurs,  we needed to win by 3 to give 
ourselves even a glimmer of hope.
 The last straw snapped when we saw the team news, 8 defensive players plus 
Rod, Harrison and the hapless McKinnie WTF ?
The mood on the bus and as I arrived seconds before kick off was buoyant and 
upbeat but at the same time resigned. 
We started brightly 4 or 5 passes and then a stray pass straight to a Spurs 
player, we then stood off them and watched as for 90 seconds they kept the ball 
with pass after pass after pass,  none under pressure, till they realised that 
some bloke called Kane, the most prolific English goal scorer of his generation 
was totally unmarked so they passed to him with the obvious end result.  None 
of us shouted for offside so VAR did not give us any hope. 2 mins gone and 
already losing,  or as the eloquent text I received from my wife said "2  
minutes, 2 f-ing minutes WANKERS" , exactly my dear , exactly.
We then huffed and puffed till half time, a simple header missed by Rodrigo our 
only real clear opportunity. 
Half time came, the 2 other games were at 0-0 so conceivably a win could still 
do it, of course that dream was short lived as again within 2 minutes of kick 
off they had scored again 
The crowd remained remarkably upbeat and friendly,  making their feelings known 
by frequent chants of " Marcelo Bielsa " ( wow how they have ruined the great 
man's legacy) followed by chants for his players Berra, Klich, Pablo, Dallas 
all had their names sung, followed more strangely by Pontus and Samu Saiz,. 
Then came Matteo,  Beckford and Kandol who scored in the San siro, a scum 
shithole and a scouse shithole respectively.  Gary Speed,  Lucas and Becchio 
still being better than Berbatov got mentions, as we enjoyed the sunshine, 
apart from one lone pitch invader who gave the inept stewards the runaround.  

Then the remarkable happened Jack Harrison,  for possibly the last time for us, 
 turned into the square balls Jackie Harradonna, beat 2 players and rifled 
home. Great jubilation in the stands, could we make a come back and go down 
fighting? 
Pre game 2 stats had been mentioned,  the loss of 25 points when we have scored 
first / been ahead and a new one for me, the speed in which we prove the old 
adage ' you are most vulnerable after you score' true. We have set a new record 
of on average conceding within 5 minutes of scoring . Well that record had a 
few seconds shaved off it as Spurs took one minute to restore their 2 goal 
cushion through " hes never won f all Harry Kane" . 
The crowd turned a bit then, " you're not fit to wear the shirt   sack the 
board and Radziani f off home" all got airings.
The 90 came and went and the fans again tried as ALAW echoed round the ground 
to watch the spurs sub,Moura just waltz through us all and make it 4.A fitting 
end to the game and the season 
It showed how spineless,  gutless , unco-ordinated and generally dreadful we 
have been. Throwing away chance after chance to save ourselves .Chants of 
Marcelo Bielsa amongst the boos as we remembered better times.
The players did ( fittingly) a half arsed walk round the ground, good servants, 
 the Bielsa boys, Harrison,  Luke Ayling, cooper and Dallas all got applause,  
the rest got the abuse their performances merited.  We really have been a 
shambles 
We all agreed it makes no difference,  we will be there next season enjoying a 
drink and a catch up, hoping to watch something good on the pitch but I have 
been told we have 52 days to get the ownership sorted,  a new director of 
football / player recruitment,  a manager and his coaches , then ship out 
anyone who wants to go / need off the wage bill / want rid of, get in new 
players and gel them into a team who will challenge at the top of the 
division,. We need   a miracle worker,  or Bielsa mark II if such a man is 
possible 
Dave " its only football "Marching on Together 
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[LU] Spurs

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Will kept it brief - as it stands Bielsa not officially gone - this was awful , 
the players have lost all confidence both in defence and attack.  We had enough 
clear chances to have,  at least in theory , made it 4 4 but the forwards,  
like the defenders are totally out of sorts.
Make no mistake,  spurs on form are a good team, Kane and Son as dynamic a 
front 2 as exists,  but they came here out of form and so we had a chance.  
We went 3 at the back something the fans dont rate and dont like but as shown 
statistically by the Square ball lads is actually effective. 
Anyway after a start where a Struik header came close  we starting to commit 
Hari Kari- first Forshaw lost the ball and we were cut open, 1 0, then Llorente 
had his first moment of madness , getting in Firpos way and air kicking at the 
ball , 2 down.Koch hit the post which could have got us back in it, but then 
Llorente let Kane get behind him, mistimed the flight of the ball and bang 3nil 
and game over.
Try and win the second half we said, but again MB made subs that we did not 
want , the fans want Geldhart,  full stop. Would he have changed things ? 
Probably not  but at worst  nothing changes,  at best he bas some brilliance 
that he and we can take into the next game. 
We gave it a go, and then if more proof were needed that we are in trouble,  
Dallas was through with a empty net and Raph alongside and made an absolute 
mess of it- see photo on Twitter. James then missed an easy- ish chance pulling 
a shot wide with no conviction. They then had a great piece of play to stick in 
the 4th and send some fans home. They did not miss anything as our chance of 
even a consolation went begging as Raph fired a free kick at the post 
The final whistle brought some muted boos but soon totally drowned out by 
applause   shouts of encouragement and chants of W.A.L.L
Rumours swept the pub, main,y because of Phil Hay that Bielsa had gone -the 
mood was disbelief and disgust at the board. Most match going fans are still 
behind Bielsa  but many do want him to leave at the end of the season having 
kept us up ( probably the camp I am in )Dave
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Re: [LU] Spurs - Really disappointing...

[Robert Heath]

"Koch the MOTM for me, but everyone played
very well."

I agree.

Funny that b/c after ONE poor performance last week the doom-and-gloom
merchants were all on here telling us how crap those players are and how we
have to replace at least half the team next season

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 4:53 PM Greg Adams  wrote:

> .. that mourinho was not there anymore.  I would have loved to see him
> schooled like that by Bielsa .
>
> I see a few "pundits" are suggesting spurs should go for MB. They just
> don't get it, do they?
>
> Almost perfect performance. Koch the MOTM for me, but everyone played
> very well.  Good to see the return of Klich.
>
> Greg
>
> Azanian Whites
>
>
>
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[LU] Spurs - Really disappointing...

[Greg Adams]

.. that mourinho was not there anymore.  I would have loved to see him 
schooled like that by Bielsa .


I see a few "pundits" are suggesting spurs should go for MB. They just 
don't get it, do they?


Almost perfect performance. Koch the MOTM for me, but everyone played 
very well.  Good to see the return of Klich.


Greg

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Re: [LU] Spurs

[Graham White via Leedslist]

Not going to be easy to sign cheap European squad type players any more, going 
to need work permits etc. now.
Graham White
 

On Saturday, 2 January 2021, 21:43:01 CET, Alec McQueen  
wrote:  
 
 Rich
Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
(any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil his 
philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 

I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given we 
are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just can’t 
see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 

More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
won’t make a difference. 

Pessimistic? Me? 
Cheers
Alec

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> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up against 
> one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting hammered at 
> Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles away. Defence 
> needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa really believes 
> he can get through this season without another central defender then I think 
> that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old problems - a left back 
> who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still a 
> terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds players 
> around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual Meslier was 
> stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How many more times ? Then for 
> their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as defender) commits himself in 
> midfield and as a result we're a man short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. 
> Avoidable. You just can't come to places like this with a makeshfit defence 
> and expect to win the game no matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see 
> what happens in the January window. 
> It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. Yes 
> they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were all 
> over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was excellent and 
> we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the answer and that might 
> sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is just about top PL 
> scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and he's played and 
> finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 and that was a pen 
> and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard slower than the rest of 
> the team and he never looked like he was going to get on the end of a cross 
> and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as number 9 with Pablo behind him. 
> More creativity, more intellignet play and yes more goals. 
> The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd best 
> up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. Ayling and 
> Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it was game 
> over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave the ball 
> away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating. 
> To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually 
> having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is 
> looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start. Even 
> his passing was good. 
> Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not 
> surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say 
> to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence. 
> Every fucker can see that ! 
> Scores: 
> Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals. 
> Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not sure why 
> he was last man. 
> Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure 
> defending ... well he can't. 
> Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went downhill 
> and he made some basic errors. 
> Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and he 
> picks a pass well. But look at their 2nd goal he is on his knees lunging in 
> when he really shouldn't be. 
> Klich - 7. I thought he played pretty well and was part of most of our good 
> work. 
> Rodrigo - 6. Good first half and showed some real class but then he seemed to 
> go to pieces and lost the bal far too easily for someone of his quality. I 
> still would not take him off. Take Bamford off and shove him up front. He 
> plasy number 9 for Spain FFS 
> Raphinha - 5. I thought this was his poorest performance since joining. He 
> wasn't awful, he just didn't get involved first half 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist]

I think Bielsa will stay, as his normal problem seems to be owners not 
living upto promises and Radz seems to be on good terms with him but..


He is a retirement age bloke, who lives away from his family, through a 
pandemic and is so intense he must be almost permanently mentally 
exhausted. At some point he'll need a break


Transfers - most obvious reason is we might not have the money.  We 
spent £100m in the summer, we probably expected some gate receipts this 
year when budgeting and now even full crowds for next year are looking 
uncertain.  Its probably more sensible to wait and see what the finances 
look like in the summer.


2nd reason would be that player are generally over-priced in the Jan 
window as desperate clubs try to save their seasons - we are not in that 
category


Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Alec McQueen" 
To: "Guy Bonello" 
Cc: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Sent: Monday, 4 Jan, 21 At 01:02
Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs
Why would MB not re-sign? He must be having the time of his life... he 
has free rein to do what he wants, he has a project that has Bielsa 
stamped all over it, the football quality and style he is orchestrating 
is being heralded by close to everyone, he is being moderately 
successful in the best league in the world with decidedly average 
players (he knows they are average and so does Rad), everyone at the 
club worships him, and his boss has seen him just quadruple the value of 
his investment (that’s the way to pease a businessman!) Please let me 
know if you know of anyone who is going to walk away from that.
2 things left for him to achieve before he clears off to somewhere else: 
win something (most likely a cup), and create the dynasty with a 
mini-Bielsa installed to succeed him.
Give him 2 more seasons after this one to achieve both of those. We will 
then be firmly re-established as a stable premier league club, the Leeds 
brand will be synonymous with speed, style and quality, and we will have 
another club legend forever.
Re signings: why would we not improve our squad if we could? You get 2 
chances to do this each year, why would you throw one of them away? 
Makes no sense to me.


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Re: [LU] Spurs

[Alec McQueen]

Why would MB not re-sign? He must be having the time of his life... he has free 
rein to do what he wants, he has a project that has Bielsa stamped all over it, 
the football quality and style he is orchestrating is being heralded by close 
to everyone, he is being moderately successful in the best league in the world 
with decidedly average players (he knows they are average and so does Rad), 
everyone at the club worships him, and his boss has seen him just quadruple the 
value of his investment (that’s the way to pease a businessman!) Please let me 
know if you know of anyone who is going to walk away from that. 

2 things left for him to achieve before he clears off to somewhere else: win 
something (most likely a cup), and create the dynasty with a mini-Bielsa 
installed to succeed him. 

Give him 2 more seasons after this one to achieve both of those. We will then 
be firmly re-established as a stable premier league club, the Leeds brand will 
be synonymous with speed, style and quality, and we will have another club 
legend forever. 

Re signings: why would we not improve our squad if we could? You get 2 chances 
to do this each year, why would you throw one of them away? Makes no sense to 
me. 


Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Jan 2021, at 03:44, Guy Bonello  wrote:
> 
> 
> would be difficult to go out and spend with an eye on next season when we do 
> not know who will be in charge then. Get Bielsa re-signed, then go and spend
> 
>   Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 23:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part of 
>> the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central 
>> defender.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rich
>> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
>> preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
>> (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil 
>> his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 
>> 
>> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given 
>> we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
>> million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just 
>> can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 
>> 
>> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
>> won’t make a difference. 
>> 
>> Pessimistic? Me? 
>> Cheers
>> Alec
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up 
>> > against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting 
>> > hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles 
>> > away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa 
>> > really believes he can get through this season without another central 
>> > defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old 
>> > problems - a left back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen 
>> > (it wasn't a pen but still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - 
>> > there were lots of Leeds players around him - Philips etc but nobody got 
>> > near him and as usual Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a 
>> > chance. How many more times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder 
>> > playing as defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a 
>> > man short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come 
>> > to places like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no 
>> > matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the January 
>> > window. 
>> > It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. 
>> > Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were 
>> > all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was 
>> > excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the 
>> > answer and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is 
>> > just about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and 
>> > he's played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 
>> > and that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard 
>> > slower than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to 
>> > get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as 
>> > number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and 
>> > yes more goals. 
>> > The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd 
>> > best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. 
>> > Ayling and Phillips giving 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Guy Bonello]

would be difficult to go out and spend with an eye on next season when we
do not know who will be in charge then. Get Bielsa re-signed, then go and
spend


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On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 at 23:21, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part
> of the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central
> defender.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen 
> wrote:
>
> Rich
> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders,
> and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows),
> who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to
> instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
>
> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors
> given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than
> 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I
> just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right now.
>
> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players
> who won’t make a difference.
>
> Pessimistic? Me?
> Cheers
> Alec
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up
> against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting
> hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles
> away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa
> really believes he can get through this season without another central
> defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old
> problems - a left back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it
> wasn't a pen but still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there
> were lots of Leeds players around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him
> and as usual Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How
> many more times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as
> defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a man short at
> the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come to places
> like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no matter how
> lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the January window.
> > It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great
> team. Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we
> were all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was
> excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the
> answer and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is
> just about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and
> he's played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4
> and that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard
> slower than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to
> get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as
> number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and
> yes more goals.
> > The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd
> best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back.
> Ayling and Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it
> was game over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave
> the ball away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating.
> > To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually
> having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is
> looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start.
> Even his passing was good.
> > Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not
> surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say
> to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence.
> Every fucker can see that !
> > Scores:
> > Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals.
> > Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not
> sure why he was last man.
> > Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure
> defending ... well he can't.
> > Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went
> downhill and he made some basic errors.
> > Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and
> he picks a pass well. 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 I agree too - we are on a huge learning curve, a much higher proportion of 
mistakes , a pass a yard out for example,  are pounced on and put away than in 
the championship.  Missed chances are more important at this level since we are 
creating fewer against better defenders. We are being beaten by the top six 
teams because man for man they are better than us in every position- against 
lesser sides our work rate and tactics are generally enough to earn a win. We 
are doing much better than we could realistically expect and are, at worse 
fighting with 4 or 5 other teams to avoid the last relegation place ( no way 
back for sheff U or WBA)
The club have consistently said we are not in the market for new signings in 
January unless a cheap gem falls into our lap. 
Re Ben White, who was top notch for us last season, we were not missing him 
when Koch was fit , and over the next 2 seasons the German centre back, and a 
Spanish squad defender will be better for us than a lad still learning his 
trade ( white lost his man for the first goal according to MOTD) so you can all 
stop dreaming about his return 
As Rob and others have said, let's enjoy the season , playing great football 
with no real pressure on results ( every defeat last season was a dagger in the 
heart, thiss season it is more " oh well") or enjoy it as much as you can when 
not in the ground and no atmosphere when watching on TV.
A nice cup run would be fun especially since it should not affect our league 
prospects,  I would hate us to become a team with no ambition beyond staying up
We are a work in progress,  making up for 14 years of mismanagement and 16 
years out of the top flight
We have a team we can be proud of and some exciting youngsters to make our 
future bright 
Long live Bielsaball 
Dave

On Sunday, 3 January 2021, 04:54:35 GMT, Michael Benjamin  
wrote:  
 
 100% Agree
This is getting distressing and happening far too often  

Michael

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: יום א 03 ינואר 2021 01:03
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs

OK I know I'm going to be accused of arrogance again, but..you guys 
just don't get Bielsaball. The style of play he demands from his players 
requires them to take huge risks with the ball every time they have it. He 
understands that they won't get it right every time, he understands the danger 
that they will give the ball away (sometimes in very dangerous 
places..sometimes leading to goals against us), but he believes that 
the potential benefits are worth it.

What is astonishing for me is the number of times they risk so much and it 
comes offsome breathtaking rat-tat-tat of one touch passes, each 
one perfectly weighted and angled.

You guys can get all hot under the collar as much as you like about the CHs we 
aren't going to buy and the replacements for Bamford we aren't going to 
buy.but Bielsa knows that gradually these boys are getting the hang 
of this league, they're getting better by the day, and he's in it for the long 
haul. The last thing he will want is to try and add a new player to the group.

An alternative analysis of this game is that the Curse of London has hit us yet 
again. When we play in London, you can guarantee that if there is a foul right 
on the edge of the box, it will be a pen, and if the ball is clawed back as it 
crosses the line, it will be over by 1 mm. Somehow, not even Bielsa seems to be 
able to find a way to overcome this problem.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:23 PM John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under 
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the 
> transfer window!
>
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised 
> as to how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same 
> old story. Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling 
> and Rodrigo were the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, 
> but I’d also give Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him 
> giving the ball away in our own half, or giving away stupid fouls by 
> ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is bloody frustrating at times, despite 
> looking like the best player we have at others!
>
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to 
> think about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, 
> and Bamford and Harrison too.
>
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to 
> lose to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first 
> xi need a rest.
>
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team, 
> especially as they’d had a rest.
>
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Michael Benjamin]

100% Agree
This is getting distressing and happening far too often  

Michael

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: יום א 03 ינואר 2021 01:03
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs

OK I know I'm going to be accused of arrogance again, but..you guys 
just don't get Bielsaball. The style of play he demands from his players 
requires them to take huge risks with the ball every time they have it. He 
understands that they won't get it right every time, he understands the danger 
that they will give the ball away (sometimes in very dangerous 
places..sometimes leading to goals against us), but he believes that 
the potential benefits are worth it.

What is astonishing for me is the number of times they risk so much and it 
comes offsome breathtaking rat-tat-tat of one touch passes, each 
one perfectly weighted and angled.

You guys can get all hot under the collar as much as you like about the CHs we 
aren't going to buy and the replacements for Bamford we aren't going to 
buy.but Bielsa knows that gradually these boys are getting the hang 
of this league, they're getting better by the day, and he's in it for the long 
haul. The last thing he will want is to try and add a new player to the group.

An alternative analysis of this game is that the Curse of London has hit us yet 
again. When we play in London, you can guarantee that if there is a foul right 
on the edge of the box, it will be a pen, and if the ball is clawed back as it 
crosses the line, it will be over by 1 mm. Somehow, not even Bielsa seems to be 
able to find a way to overcome this problem.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:23 PM John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under 
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the 
> transfer window!
>
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised 
> as to how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same 
> old story. Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling 
> and Rodrigo were the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, 
> but I’d also give Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him 
> giving the ball away in our own half, or giving away stupid fouls by 
> ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is bloody frustrating at times, despite 
> looking like the best player we have at others!
>
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to 
> think about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, 
> and Bamford and Harrison too.
>
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to 
> lose to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first 
> xi need a rest.
>
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team, 
> especially as they’d had a rest.
>
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Jan 2021, at 20:42, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> >
> > Rich
> > Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class 
> > defenders,
> and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God 
> Knows), who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want 
> to try to instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
> >
> > I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as 
> > competitors
> given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less 
> than 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. 
> Alas, I just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right 
> now.
> >
> > More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type 
> > players
> who won’t make a difference.
> >
> > Pessimistic? Me?
> > Cheers
> > Alec
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up
> against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting 
> hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million 
> miles away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. 
> If Bielsa really believes he can get through this season without 
> another central defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, 
> it's the same old problems - a left back who's not a left back giving 
> away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still a terrible half 
> tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds players around 
> him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual Meslier was 
&g

Re: [LU] Spurs

[MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist]

Alternatively why would we.


I assume that Koch and Llorente are the long-term CB partnership in 
Bielsa's mind - so why get someone else when they have never had the 
opportunity to play with each other.


If you are assuming we are safe - we'd be buying someone for 4-5 games 
until Llorente and Cooper should be fit - and Ayling has actually done 
pretty well there.


I suspect centre-midfield and left-back are seen as bigger priorities. 
The fact that Klich has to play every game basically on his own in the 
wide open space of our midfield is a big risk and Bielsa has said before 
that he prefers to play with 2 8s.


Not too worried about today - a makeshift defence against the best 
striking partnership in the league - and 3-0 flattered them.


Matt


-- Original Message --
From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" 
To: "Alec McQueen" 
Cc: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 22:19
Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs
If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part 
of the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central 
defender.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen  
wrote:

Rich
Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, 
and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God 
Knows), who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to 
try to instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors 
given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less 
than 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. 
Alas, I just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option 
right now.
More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players 
who won’t make a difference.

Pessimistic? Me?
Cheers
Alec
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Re: [LU] Spurs

[Matt via Leedslist]

Phillips is banned for Brighton game as bookings now only relate to the 
competition they were earned in

Matt

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Jan 2021, at 22:27, Tim Whelan via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was wondering if Phillips intentionally got booked near the end, so he can 
> serve his ban during the Crawley game, for which he might have been rested 
> anyway. But if that theory was right Klich would also have got himself booked 
> for the same reason, and he didn't.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "John Lee via Leedslist" 
> To: "Alec McQueen" 
> Cc: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Sent: Saturday, 2 Jan, 21 At 22:22
> Subject: Re: [LU] Spurs
> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under 
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the transfer 
> window!
> 
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised as to 
> how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same old story. 
> Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling and Rodrigo were 
> the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, but I’d also give 
> Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him giving the ball away in our 
> own half, or giving away stupid fouls by ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is 
> bloody frustrating at times, despite looking like the best player we have at 
> others!
> 
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to think 
> about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, and Bamford 
> and Harrison too.
> 
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to lose 
> to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first xi need a 
> rest.
> 
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team, especially 
> as they’d had a rest.
> 
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
> 
> 

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Dorigo's Right Buttock...

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Robert Heath]

OK I know I'm going to be accused of arrogance again, but..you guys
just don't get Bielsaball. The style of play he demands from his players
requires them to take huge risks with the ball every time they have it. He
understands that they won't get it right every time, he understands the
danger that they will give the ball away (sometimes in very dangerous
places..sometimes leading to goals against us), but he believes
that the potential benefits are worth it.

What is astonishing for me is the number of times they risk so much and it
comes offsome breathtaking rat-tat-tat of one touch passes,
each one perfectly weighted and angled.

You guys can get all hot under the collar as much as you like about the CHs
we aren't going to buy and the replacements for Bamford we aren't going to
buy.but Bielsa knows that gradually these boys are getting the
hang of this league, they're getting better by the day, and he's in it for
the long haul. The last thing he will want is to try and add a new player
to the group.

An alternative analysis of this game is that the Curse of London has hit us
yet again. When we play in London, you can guarantee that if there is a
foul right on the edge of the box, it will be a pen, and if the ball is
clawed back as it crosses the line, it will be over by 1 mm. Somehow, not
even Bielsa seems to be able to find a way to overcome this problem.

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 11:23 PM John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under
> everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the transfer
> window!
>
> We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised as
> to how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same old
> story. Same old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling and
> Rodrigo were the main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, but I’d
> also give Rodrigo a run out up front, mostly to stop him giving the ball
> away in our own half, or giving away stupid fouls by ‘tackling’ with his
> arms! He is bloody frustrating at times, despite looking like the best
> player we have at others!
>
> We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to think
> about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, and Bamford
> and Harrison too.
>
> I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to
> lose to them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first xi
> need a rest.
>
> Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team,
> especially as they’d had a rest.
>
> Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-(
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 2 Jan 2021, at 20:42, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> >
> > Rich
> > Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders,
> and preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows),
> who (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to
> instil his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)?
> >
> > I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors
> given we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than
> 40ish million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I
> just can’t see it happening despite it being our best option right now.
> >
> > More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players
> who won’t make a difference.
> >
> > Pessimistic? Me?
> > Cheers
> > Alec
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up
> against one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting
> hammered at Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles
> away. Defence needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa
> really believes he can get through this season without another central
> defender then I think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old
> problems - a left back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it
> wasn't a pen but still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there
> were lots of Leeds players around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him
> and as usual Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How
> many more times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as
> defender) commits himself in midfield and as a result we're a man short at
> the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come to places
> like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no matter how
> lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the January window.
> >> It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great
> team. Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we
> were all over them in the first half. Our movement and 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Alec McQueen]

Given our history, I am not sure there would be that much appetite to invest 
money we haven’t earned yet. Does Rad have any money to loan the club until 
next season? 

Sent from my iPad

> On 3 Jan 2021, at 09:19, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
>  If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part of 
> the transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central defender.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> Rich
> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
> preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
> (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil 
> his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 
> 
> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given 
> we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
> million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just can’t 
> see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 
> 
> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
> won’t make a difference. 
> 
> Pessimistic? Me? 
> Cheers
> Alec
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up against 
> > one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting hammered at 
> > Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles away. Defence 
> > needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa really believes 
> > he can get through this season without another central defender then I 
> > think that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old problems - a left 
> > back who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but 
> > still a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds 
> > players around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual 
> > Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How many more 
> > times ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as defender) commits 
> > himself in midfield and as a result we're a man short at the back. Kane 
> > cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come to places like this with a 
> > makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no matter how lively you are 
> > in attack. Let's see what happens in the January window. 
> > It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. 
> > Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were 
> > all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was 
> > excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the 
> > answer and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is 
> > just about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and 
> > he's played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 
> > and that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard 
> > slower than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to 
> > get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as 
> > number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and 
> > yes more goals. 
> > The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd 
> > best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. 
> > Ayling and Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it 
> > was game over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave 
> > the ball away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating. 
> > To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually 
> > having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is 
> > looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start. 
> > Even his passing was good. 
> > Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not 
> > surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say 
> > to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence. 
> > Every fucker can see that ! 
> > Scores: 
> > Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals. 
> > Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not sure 
> > why he was last man. 
> > Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure 
> > defending ... well he can't. 
> > Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went downhill 
> > and he made some basic errors. 
> > Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and he 
> > picks a pass well. But look at their 2nd goal he is on his knees lunging in 
> > when he really shouldn't be. 
> > Klich - 7. I thought he played pretty well 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Unless there is some ‘bargain’ Uruguayan/Argentinian centre back under 
everyone’s radar bar Bielsa’s, I can’t see us buying anyone in the transfer 
window!

We played ok in the first 30 minutes, and Spurs looked a bit surprised as to 
how full-on we were. Of course not scoring would cost us - same old story. Same 
old problem re giving the ball away - I thought Ayling and Rodrigo were the 
main culprits - they weren’t alone in doing that, but I’d also give Rodrigo a 
run out up front, mostly to stop him giving the ball away in our own half, or 
giving away stupid fouls by ‘tackling’ with his arms! He is bloody frustrating 
at times, despite looking like the best player we have at others!

We looked weary in the middle 30 minutes too - maybe Bielsa needs to think 
about the word rotation? Rapha definitely looked off the pace, and Bamford and 
Harrison too.

I wonder if we’ll play the under 23 team v Crawley? I don’t want us to lose to 
them, as we’ll never hear the end of it, but some of our first xi need a rest.

Like Rich, I didn’t think Spurs looked anything special as a team, especially 
as they’d had a rest. 

Hacked of I paid £25 to BT for a monthly pass :-( 

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Jan 2021, at 20:42, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> Rich
> Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
> preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
> (any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil 
> his philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 
> 
> I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given 
> we are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
> million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just can’t 
> see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 
> 
> More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
> won’t make a difference. 
> 
> Pessimistic? Me? 
> Cheers
> Alec
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up against 
>> one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting hammered at 
>> Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles away. Defence 
>> needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa really believes 
>> he can get through this season without another central defender then I think 
>> that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old problems - a left back 
>> who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still 
>> a terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds 
>> players around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual 
>> Meslier was stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How many more times 
>> ? Then for their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as defender) commits 
>> himself in midfield and as a result we're a man short at the back. Kane 
>> cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just can't come to places like this with a 
>> makeshfit defence and expect to win the game no matter how lively you are in 
>> attack. Let's see what happens in the January window. 
>> It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. 
>> Yes they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were 
>> all over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was 
>> excellent and we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the answer 
>> and that might sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is just 
>> about top PL scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and he's 
>> played and finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 and 
>> that was a pen and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard slower 
>> than the rest of the team and he never looked like he was going to get on 
>> the end of a cross and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as number 9 with 
>> Pablo behind him. More creativity, more intellignet play and yes more goals. 
>> The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd 
>> best up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. Ayling 
>> and Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it was 
>> game over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave the 
>> ball away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating. 
>> To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually 
>> having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is 
>> looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start. Even 
>> his passing was good. 
>> Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not 
>> surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say 
>> to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence. 
>> 

Re: [LU] Spurs

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

If we accept we will be safe this season then why wouldn’t we spend part of the 
transfer pot for next season on White or other top class central defender.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, January 2, 2021, 8:42 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:

Rich
Absolutely agree: we need at least a couple of premier class defenders, and 
preferably a hotshot striker this window... but where from (God Knows), who 
(any ideas?), do we have the money (no), and will MB want to try to instil his 
philosophy in new signings mid season (no)? 

I come back to Ben White... will Brighton still see us as competitors given we 
are already 10 pts above them? Will they let him go for less than 40ish 
million? I doubt we would pay the amount they will demand. Alas, I just can’t 
see it happening despite it being our best option right now. 

More likely we will go buy a couple of cheap European squad type players who 
won’t make a difference. 

Pessimistic? Me? 
Cheers
Alec

Sent from my iPad

> On 3 Jan 2021, at 04:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up against 
> one of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting hammered at 
> Scum and losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles away. Defence 
> needs to be sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa really believes 
> he can get through this season without another central defender then I think 
> that would be a bad call. Today, it's the same old problems - a left back 
> who's not a left back giving away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still a 
> terrible half tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds players 
> around him - Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual Meslier was 
> stood on his line and didn't stand a chance. How many more times ? Then for 
> their 2nd, Struijk(midfielder playing as defender) commits himself in 
> midfield and as a result we're a man short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. 
> Avoidable. You just can't come to places like this with a makeshfit defence 
> and expect to win the game no matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see 
> what happens in the January window. 
> It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. Yes 
> they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were all 
> over them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was excellent and 
> we really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the answer and that might 
> sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is just about top PL 
> scorer. I think he's benefited from our great play and he's played and 
> finished pretty well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 and that was a pen 
> and today he didn't even look close. He looks a yard slower than the rest of 
> the team and he never looked like he was going to get on the end of a cross 
> and finish. I'd like to see Rodrigo play as number 9 with Pablo behind him. 
> More creativity, more intellignet play and yes more goals. 
> The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd best 
> up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. Ayling and 
> Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it was game 
> over. I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave the ball 
> away sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating. 
> To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually 
> having a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is 
> looking fitter and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start. Even 
> his passing was good. 
> Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not 
> surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say 
> to Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence. 
> Every fucker can see that ! 
> Scores: 
> Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals. 
> Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not sure why 
> he was last man. 
> Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure 
> defending ... well he can't. 
> Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went downhill 
> and he made some basic errors. 
> Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and he 
> picks a pass well. But look at their 2nd goal he is on his knees lunging in 
> when he really shouldn't be. 
> Klich - 7. I thought he played pretty well and was part of most of our good 
> work. 
> Rodrigo - 6. Good first half and showed some real class but then he seemed to 
> go to pieces and lost the bal far too easily for someone of his quality. I 
> still would not take him off. Take Bamford off and shove him up front. He 
> plasy number 9 for Spain FFS 
> Raphinha - 5. I thought this was his poorest performance since joining. He 
> wasn't awful, he just 

[LU] Spurs

[Nick]

Not sure i expected much different from what we saw to be honest. And I think 
it pretty clearly demonstrates where we are. We’re not really match for the top 
6 or 7 (yet), we have effort, heart, sustained durability and good 
self-belief…and every now and then we will catch one on a bad day and beat 
them...what we don’t have is that step up in class, which all the mega bucks 
buys you…so, as we all thought, when you make a mistake you are much more 
likely to get punished. 

What we do look like is a good bet for the mid-table thanks to our goalscoring, 
which is clearly something we can do against (almost) anyone. 

The penalty was borderline - but so was ours against Burnley (these things 
still even out even though VAR was supposed to get rid of chance / bad 
decisions) - I can see why it was given and In real time I thought it was a 
penalty, only the really slow motion showed the main contact was outside the 
box…still though Alioski was wrong side because he had moved out in 
anticipation of a better clearance from Meslier. 

The second goal - beautifully taken though it was came from one lost ball in 
midfield and a mistimed tackle on Kane.

The third was Meslier coming out for high ball - which he has obviously been 
drilled to do - and Son being too cute when taking the corner, leaving the 
keeper too far out to recover.

We huffed and puffed - could have had a couple with more composure…but that is 
also the class-gulf. We looked a sharper proposition when Pablo came on.


Meslier - he’s naive at times and his distribution occasionally veers madly of 
course but I like him as a keeper, he’s brave, he stops shots and he picks 
himself up and dusts himself down for the next one. I think he’s got heart and 
a good future.

I like Struijk and I think he is worth persevering with but whether in midfield 
or defence I don’t know. Kane did him, but he is top class. 

Ayling is doing all that could be asked really for someone out of position, 

Dallas - awesome work rate, but still worryingly ’not really a full back’

Alioski - is not a full back - 2 minutes after the daft challenge for the 
penalty, he flew into another in the box  

We know the problem with Philips - give him space and he’s brilliant - pressure 
him and run at him with speed and he struggles. But we are better with him in 
than out. Suspended next time. Let’s see.

Klich must be getting close to being dropped - it isn’t working for him - hard 
to know where it is going wrong but it is…

Harrison, Bamford and Raphinha were pretty much peripheral (as was Poveda when 
he came on) 

Rodrigo worked hard, looks for the passes and covers a huge amount of 
ground…but he is apparently a #9 not a #10…so let’s see whether him and Bamford 
can play as twin forwards.

We are still the best team to watch in this damn league by a mile.

Nick







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Another heavish defeat and another chance to see how we measure up against one 
of the most organised teams in the league. Despite getting hammered at Scum and 
losing 3-0 today I don't think we're a million miles away. Defence needs to be 
sorted and needs to be sorted in Jan. If Bielsa really believes he can get 
through this season without another central defender then I think that would be 
a bad call. Today, it's the same old problems - a left back who's not a left 
back giving away a needless pen (it wasn't a pen but still a terrible half 
tackle). Defending corners - there were lots of Leeds players around him - 
Philips etc but nobody got near him and as usual Meslier was stood on his line 
and didn't stand a chance. How many more times ? Then for their 2nd, 
Struijk(midfielder playing as defender) commits himself in midfield and as a 
result we're a man short at the back. Kane cross, Sol 2-0. Avoidable. You just 
can't come to places like this with a makeshfit defence and expect to win the 
game no matter how lively you are in attack. Let's see what happens in the 
January window. 
It might sound like sour grapes but I don't think Spurs are a great team. Yes 
they have some good individual players (Son in particular) but we were all over 
them in the first half. Our movement and our interplay was excellent and we 
really should have scored. For me, Bamford isn't the answer and that might 
sound stupid giving he's breaking all records and is just about top PL scorer. 
I think he's benefited from our great play and he's played and finished pretty 
well at times. He's scored 1 in the last 4 and that was a pen and today he 
didn't even look close. He looks a yard slower than the rest of the team and he 
never looked like he was going to get on the end of a cross and finish. I'd 
like to see Rodrigo play as number 9 with Pablo behind him. More creativity, 
more intellignet play and yes more goals. 
The penalty gave them confidence because there's no doubt Spurs were 2nd best 
up to that point. We started to make silly mistakes at the back. Ayling and 
Phillips giving the ball away and as soon as they got the 2nd it was game over. 
I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly gave the ball away 
sometimes just passing in to touch. Very frustrating. 
To our credit, we made 3 subs and they all contributed to us continually having 
a go in the 2nd half. Pablo was fantastic and you can see he is looking fitter 
and battling for his place. I think he deserves a start. Even his passing was 
good. 
Bielsa looked more frustrated than I've seen him for a while and I'm not 
surprised. We could have got something from this game but again I would say to 
Bielsa you will get nowt against the top teams with a makeshift defence. Every 
fucker can see that ! 
Scores: 
Meslier - 7. Some good saves as always and little chance with the goals. 
Dallas - 7. I thought he did well. Lost Son for the 2nd goal but not sure why 
he was last man. 
Allioski - 5. Started well down the left wing but when it comes to pure 
defending ... well he can't. 
Ayling - 7. I thought he did well first half but then things went downhill and 
he made some basic errors. 
Struijk - 5. Out of his depth for me. Yes he's got a nice left foot and he 
picks a pass well. But look at their 2nd goal he is on his knees lunging in 
when he really shouldn't be. 
Klich - 7. I thought he played pretty well and was part of most of our good 
work. 
Rodrigo - 6. Good first half and showed some real class but then he seemed to 
go to pieces and lost the bal far too easily for someone of his quality. I 
still would not take him off. Take Bamford off and shove him up front. He plasy 
number 9 for Spain FFS 
Raphinha - 5. I thought this was his poorest performance since joining. He 
wasn't awful, he just didn't get involved first half and only had scraps in the 
2nd. 
Harrison - 5. Started lively but faded badly with the team 
Phillips - 6. I thought he battled well at times but he didn't really impose 
himself on the game. Then again, I didn't expect him to. He is what he is. 
Bamford - 3. Never looked at it for me. Never looked like scoring. 
Subs: 
Pablo - 8. I thought he made a real difference. 
Shackleton - 7. I thought he also did really well down the right
Poveda - 5. Didn't really happen 
Another defeat against the big boys. Hopefully we'll learn, we'll invest in a 
central defender soon and we'll push on. 

Happy New Year. 



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