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Re: wd40

2024-11-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


because *W*ater *D*isplacement 39 didn't work!

On 11/4/2024 8:56 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Found this old Add for WD40 again not sure if I ever posted it but I 
still smile every time I read it


Enjoy if you have not seen it before

Bill

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Re: Rotary Shaft

2024-11-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

They are all steering u-joints just use this search
https://www.google.com/search?q=steering+u-joint

Mike OK

On 11/4/2024 1:00 AM, 'artmarb...@comcast.net' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills wrote:

Hello All,

I know it's been a while since I've posted. Looking through old
messages I found this one.

I used to find these universal joints from most of my industrial
vendors but no one carries them. I'm looking for them now in 1/2" and
5/8" diameter bore. Does any one have a known source for these?

Tim

*From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
on behalf of Tracy Smith

*Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2021 5:27 PM
*To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
*Subject:* Re: Rotary Shaft
Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:

I've had several people interested and ask questions about the
rotary shaft. I know this accessory is very rare.

Mac suggested that I take some close ups.

I hope these are useful. I took a first group of pictures next to
a measuring tape, and then rolled it slightly and took the similar
pictures.

Tracy

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Re: Checkering on the LOM

2024-10-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Lets say the angle of the cut as it is rotated is a 45º slant. You set
the router to 45º and make your right hand rotation cut. Index for the
next etc. After a full revolution, you set the router for minus 45º or
tilt the other way, and change the cutting rotation to left hand
milling. Mill all the way around and then you are checkered. If you
don't know the angle, hold a pencil hard against the carriage an let it
draw the path. It will be the same path whether it is from the top or
side. Blade height will still be the center of the work piece. Touch
the center of the cutter blade to a center point of the headstock. Then
move it to the position it will be cutting on the project. You will not
need to change the "Z" position and the "Y" movement will give you the
entry for the cut and the release of cut to index.

Mike OK

On 10/21/2024 9:23 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

OK, So I get the side router bit pressure control now,
But, now how do I check this without putting a bit in
from the top? Maybe I am thinking inside the box and
not outside.
Mike?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

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Re: Cleanup in aisle 5!

2024-10-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Yes I have, I used to make a checkered handle for college ceremonial
staffs. A trophy company used me for all sorts of specialty items. Hmmm
for some reason I can't find any pictures, I'll keep looking.

Mike OK

On 10/19/2024 6:08 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good stuff Mike. Have you ever dabbled in the checkering?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
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On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 8:22 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

Just as a suggestion, If you jig up a router to side cut on a
climb, you will get cleaner cuts. The challenge is to be able to
tilt the router to the same angle as the tool path. That way you
will not have any lead cut-out or back cut-out, just profile cut
to leave you a nice finish. Minimal sanding and pow! Put that big
ole smile on!

Mike OK

On 10/18/2024 4:40 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been slowly working in the shop. More like puttering. One of
the putter jobs that captured my ADD was making a "beater" for
releasing R8 collets that tend to stick. I have two already at
machines that need them, but I need three. So why not turn and
checker on on the REVO?
Capture.PNG Capture2.PNG Capture3.PNG Capture4.PNG
The red oak is stringy, even punky in places, and the 90°bit was
not as sharp as needed, so fuzzies abound and many of the tips
are knocked off. Four passes have been made with hand checkering
tool (visible in last photo). I will shellac to stiffen fibers
like sanding sealer and finish cleaning up manually. A denser
wood with sharp cutter would give excellent results. Notice that
the diamonds are real close to 3:1, which was the intended goal.
This gives a whole new meaning to nonslip grip!
72 starts in each direction with a 6" pitch on a stick 1.237"
diameter (tad small for the 3:1 ratio). A new Legacy Chart's file
will be posted next correcting some formats and calcs.
DanK

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Re: Cleanup in aisle 5!

2024-10-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

A side cut using a climbing direction of cut, will slice the grain from
the top surface of thewood to the bottom of the V cut. That way there
is no pressure lifting the grain as witnessed from the top style
cutting. The second force to consider is the speed of the blade
relative to the surface of the wood. The speed at the greatest diameter
of the blade is the optimal cutting speed. But at the pointed end of
cutter with a minimum diameter, it is only a fraction of that speed.
Therefore the cutting results look like the blade was too slow to do the
clean job. Because it was. Rigging a router to do the side cutting is
a trick but will give you the cleanest job with minimal clean-up.
Therefore, make the jig as a re-usable, adjustable jig and not just a
onetime use to get you through the one job. Jig baby, Jig!

Mike

On 10/19/2024 6:11 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

I am not sure I have ever run from the side. How does the pressure change
that will offer a better finish? I know you guys have talked about it
many times
but I still think pressure is pressure from a bit. From the top or the
side.

I am not trying to contradice your theory just understand it.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 8:33 PM wrote:

I totally agree Mike one of magnates side reeding bits or similar
perhaps

Bill

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Mike (Liltwisted)
*Sent:* Saturday, 19 October 2024 12:22 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Cleanup in aisle 5!

Mike OK

On 10/18/2024 4:40 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

The red oak is stringy, even punky in places, and the 90°bit
was not as sharp as needed, so fuzzies abound and many of the
tips are knocked off. Four passes have been made with hand
checkering tool (visible in last photo). I will shellac to
stiffen fibers like sanding sealer and finish cleaning up
manually. A denser wood with sharp cutter would give excellent
results. Notice that the diamonds are real close to 3:1, which
was the intended goal. This gives a whole new meaning to
nonslip grip!

72 starts in each direction with a 6" pitch on a stick 1.237"
diameter (tad small for the 3:1 ratio). A new Legacy Chart's
file will be posted next correcting some formats and calcs.

DanK

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Re: Cleanup in aisle 5!

2024-10-18 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Just as a suggestion, If you jig up a router to side cut on a climb, you
will get cleaner cuts. The challenge is to be able to tilt the router
to the same angle as the tool path. That way you will not have any lead
cut-out or back cut-out, just profile cut to leave you a nice finish.
Minimal sanding and pow! Put that big ole smile on!

Mike OK

On 10/18/2024 4:40 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been slowly working in the shop. More like puttering. One of the
putter jobs that captured my ADD was making a "beater" for releasing
R8 collets that tend to stick. I have two already at machines that
need them, but I need three. So why not turn and checker on on the REVO?

Capture.PNG Capture2.PNG Capture3.PNG Capture4.PNG
The red oak is stringy, even punky in places, and the 90°bit was not
as sharp as needed, so fuzzies abound and many of the tips are knocked
off. Four passes have been made with hand checkering tool (visible in
last photo). I will shellac to stiffen fibers like sanding sealer and
finish cleaning up manually. A denser wood with sharp cutter would
give excellent results. Notice that the diamonds are real close to
3:1, which was the intended goal. This gives a whole new meaning to
nonslip grip!
72 starts in each direction with a 6" pitch on a stick 1.237" diameter
(tad small for the 3:1 ratio). A new Legacy Chart's file will be
posted next correcting some formats and calcs.

DanK

Re: New feed screw opens up range of pitches

2024-09-23 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Looking good for some really tight pitches. As for delrin, I say no.
Threads are to shallow to give it anything to pull against. I would get
a brass nut and split it for the job Then on the screw, I would run a
tap down it and then polish it with a wire brush wheel.

Good Luck

Mike OK

On 9/23/2024 4:02 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Ordered a 3/4-16 x 36" UNF all thread to alternate with the 4 TPI
stock feed screw when needed. The original screw is 37 1/4" long, so
I turned some plugs and threaded them into the ends of the 3/4" screw.
They swap out very quickly and the larger diameter doesn't present any
problems. Yet. Now making the split nut. This will make for some
nice options: a pitch suitable for feeding heavy cuts like "rounding"
the blank, quite a range of wooden threads, more accurate positioning
for box joints and dovetails. These are 60° tapered threads so any
backlash can be eliminated by more pressure on the split nut. I am
concerned that the zinc plating has accentuated any thread milling
roughness, so I may run a file over it while spinning on my lathe.

IMG_20240923_153359588.jpg

DanK
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Re: Fwd: NEW TOOL ALERT! EZ∙Drive System for Woodpeckers Slab Flattening Mills.

2024-07-10 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


It looks like an etch-a-sketch for grownups

On 7/9/2024 8:44 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Now look at what they have come up with.

Kind Regards,

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Re: Red bone

2024-07-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Also thinking about Easter bones LOL use Easter egg dye with vinegar to
do the job. That and the pressure could make it absorb. It would have
to be a post process or else it will cut away the color during milling.

Mike OK

On 7/8/2024 5:58 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good morning Curt, Bill and all participating in this particular subject.
Sorry we were camping these last 4 days and having family time so I
stayed pretty quiet. lol.

So to add to this subject as for dying the bone a certain have you
considered a
pressure pot Curt? That is how the guys get dye and stabilization to
happen
in the game call world. Not sure the length of time it would take to
permeate

into bone but worth a try.
Just something to think about.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:51 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills wrote:

I don't think I own blue? (the only reason why I own RED, was for
an repair job I did some 15 yrs ago.) I will go out to the shop
tomorrow and see what I have.

Latter this week I can go to Wood Craft and see what dye they sell.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:43:49 PM EDT,
wrote:

I don’t know red or perhaps blue

Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

*Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 12:21 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Red bone

HI Bill

Perhaps? but I think the colors will only hold onto were the red
is. but that's only a guess.

What color would you suggest TO try?

C.A.G.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 10:02:05 PM EDT,
wrote:

How would soaking the bone in dye go for a more even color?

‘

Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

*Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 9:41 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Red bone

I agree with you Bill.

But in this case One bone had a red tint that just stood out to much.

I figured, why not try? I sanded the bones down and then stained
them with red dye.

The dye only took ahold of the bone in cracks and in the one bone
disks where the red

tint was already.

This one is a learning experience for me.

What I did today was to try to repair any and all defected
spindles that I had made over the past few years.

I was able to salvage 3 bone handles,(Including the red bone.)
there are still a few that I need to still try to repair sometime
in the future. But at this time they will just sit and wait, for
the day that, I either have to need, skill, or reason to spend the
time to make there repairs.

I am not hurting for bone at this time. I just finished up
another batch of bone disks, (appx 400) and just now made some 8
new glued up blanks for more fun, to come. ;-)

Have a good day, everyone.

And Thank you Bill.

C.A.G.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 07:00:45 PM EDT,
wrote:

It’s different but I think I prefer the all white my self

Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

*Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2024 2:46 AM
*To:* Legacy ornamental mills

*Subject:* Red bone

Hello everyone.

This bone turning had some red dye in some of the disks that could
not be removed,(THE dye was from the red food coloring the
supplier put into the bone) So I opted to stain the bone to match.

I don't know if I'm happy with this or not? but it dose look
different. ;-)

Please let me know what you thing?

C.A.G.

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Re: FW: Rotary Table mod.

2024-06-27 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Can you send a picture of the lock?

On 6/27/2024 6:08 PM, John Von Brandt wrote:

Tim, what trick can I use to keep my depth lock from loosentng?

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:46 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

Wiil post pix of that in the next day or two. I have to dig out
the pix for it.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.


Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop
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On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:42 PM  wrote:

Now that sounds interesting

Bill

*From:*Tim Ziegler 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:17 PM
*To:* M.W.Foscue 
*Cc:* bulke...@mmnet.com.au
*Subject:* Re: FW: Rotary Table mod.

Thanks Mac,

Yes fun project.

I also have another mod I could share where I ran full 8 foot
material on my 1200.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.



Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM M.W.Foscue
 wrote:

Bill,

Yes - I was able to open all 5.

Nice work, Tim!

Thanks to both of you.

Mac






-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jun 26, 2024 9:35 PM
To: Mac 
Subject: FW: Rotary Table mod.

Did they come through now mac

Bill






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*Tim Ziegler

*Sent:*Wednesday, June 26, 2024 9:40 PM
*To:* LOM Group 
*Subject:* Rotary Table mod.

Good morning,

As we have been talking about some mods to the mills here
is one that I

did to help me repair a bowl I was doing on the lathe
originally but after blowing the bottom apart I needed to
add a piece and recenter and re-round it.

I had my brother make an adapter so I could
incorporate the LongWorth Chuck to it. I also needed to
drop the rails down so I made a special set that are
mounted below the standard set of rails. Again all
removable to bring the machine back to it's originality.

See pix.

Questions welcomed.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

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Re: Method for aligning mill

2024-06-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

One really easy way to check for 90º is unplug the router and insert a
1/2" steel rod about 12 inches long, wood will work as well. It doesn't
need to be chucked into the collet too tight and therefore you have a
little wiggle room. Roll the rod on a tablesaw top or another very flat
surface to make sure that it rolls true and then either adjust with a
dead blow hammer or if it is as true as you can see, chuck it in. Once
it is chucked in, Rotate it to make sure it is running true and not
stirring the pot. If it is making circles at the bottom away from the
collet, loosen the collet and lean on it a little in the correction
direction and snug up the collet. Repeat until it is running true, flip
the bar over if it won't true up. If you can't get it to true up, no
matter what you do, you may have a bent router shaft and now you know
where the vibration is coming from. When it does true up, you will have
a straight representation of the cut and will be able to use a square on
the x an y axis to check your router and carriage orientation.

Mike OK

On 6/8/2024 1:52 PM, Mark wrote:
I picked up a 1000EX (I think) 5+ years ago and didn't get a chance to
do anything with it.

I have a need to route some deep mortises and it seems like a good
little project to try on the 1000EX.

I started looking at how to hold down work and I think I'm good there,
but now I'm more concerned about whether the x-y provided by the
struts and the carriage is 90 degrees.

Is there a procedure for adjusting the router carriage? I started
watching the old videos but most of them seem to be more about how to
use the mill to cut spindles.

Did anyone track down that manual that has been asked about here a few
times? Does anyone remember the file name? I might actually have
saved a digital copy of it a few years ago, but finding it could be
tricky.

Thanks,
Mark

Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I use open office free

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

excel spreadsheet work too

On 5/21/2024 11:17 AM, jrig...@gmail.com wrote:

To All,
Whay software is needed to open the file "LegacyCharts_V11.3.ods"?

Thanks,
Jim

On Sunday, May 19, 2024 at 5:37:08 PM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

The attached is the latest iteration of Legacy Charts all on one
spreadsheet workbook. The latest is rotary table indexing as
posted above. The sheet should be self explanatory. Someday
perhaps I'll gather all the charts into one chart that is dynamic
but I'm not sure it will be an improvement.
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-4 Okla Mike
(Liltwisted) wrote:

That would be great, go for it

On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Thank you for posting these reference materials! Would it be
agreeable to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts
spreadsheet I have been accumulating? It makes for a handy
local reference all things Legacy.
DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing, These methods have always
worked for me in the past. and I hope some of you will
learn and try his methods as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s> Crank
handle indexing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s> Carriage
travel indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.

Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table

Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills

Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a
method of indexing the rotary table instead of the stock
handle. Using the a drive shaft to control the rotary
tables motion the following indexes can be obtained with
the stock gear set. I have come up with what I believe to
be a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes
available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30,
32, 36, 40, 48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160,
192, and 240.

The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific
number of times per x-axis lead screw turn. For more
information, see the Crank Handle Indexing article.

<http://artscopes.com/legacyornamentalmill/tools/pungs_index_method/pungs_index_method.html>

Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one
spindle RevolutionGear No. of Cranks
A 8
B 12
C 16
D 18
E 20
F 24
G 30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks
or 45º increments per revolution. By multiplying the
number of cranks required to make one 1 spindle rotation
by 8 you can calculate the number of turns the x axis
lead screw crank handle will need to turn to move the
rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw
handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear No. of
Cranks / Divisions Degree Increments
A 64 5.625
B 96 3.75
C 128 2.812
D 144 2.5
E 160 2.25
F 192 1.875
G 240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions.
For example, using the A gear and making a cut once every
4 cranks you can index the rotary table every 16
locations. However as you can see by this example, it
would be much faster to index the table using a different
method. Using the numbers above, here are the possible
indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 ,

Re: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

2024-05-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

The biggest limitation with the crossing cut is actually the approach to 
the wood.  You have infinitely variables to blade choice when you are 
working on a straight cut, tapered or not, milling from the top 
centered.  Then if you are trying to make a ball or pineapple shape, you 
will need to mill from the side.  In this position, the only way you 
will be able to come around the profile is going to be with a Y-axis 
template follower.  The most common bit to use on this type of a cut 
will be a ball bit.  Then if you are all into jigs like Bill, you will 
be able to tilt the router to match the pitch and get a rope pattern if 
you desire, to follow around the curve of the ball.  Your legacy is only 
a good place to start, insert craftsman and watch the magic.


Mike OK

On 5/20/2024 3:41 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Yea Mac it depends on the preference of the person doing the pattern I 
searched all through my legacy pics to find the different examples of each


One looks like a cut diamond shape all strait  and the other has the 
rounded pineapple look like the outside of one


Looking through all the old legacy videos they seem to always call the 
strait sided ones done with the V bit diamond


and the ones with the rope bit pineapple and sone times they say rope 
or pineapple pattern but they are different when you look close


Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue

*Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2024 6:07 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

Bill,

Very nice of you to post that - much appreciated.

For some of the examples of the "diamond" carve it appears to be 
fairly close to the pineapple - and on the others you can definitely 
tell the difference.


Cheers

Mac




-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: May 20, 2024 3:56 AM
To: 
Subject: difference between a pineapple pattern and a dimond pattern

A few days ago I was discussing different legacy spindle patterns with 
someone and the subject of diamond and pineapple patterns came up


And I was asked is there any difference well yes there is each one is 
milled with a different router bit and I don’t think this has ever 
been addressed here before, the pineapple pattern is milled with rope 
molding router bits while the diamond pattern is milled with strait V 
groove router bits


Here is a sheet showing the difference.

Bill

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Re: New Magnetic base for the Legacy

2024-05-19 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Nice job Curt.

I see the value in milling the bone flat but I do see an issue with all
the bones not being the same. (damn nature!" I almost feel that one at
a time would be best. Also parallel cuts to the base might not always
be the best yield for the bones either. I would fix one end of the mag
base on a strong hinge and have the other on a screw or shim to be able
to match the milling blade to the best path down the bone. You may not
get enough angle on your rails to get the best cut. So a tilting mag
base may be just the ticket. Next I guess you will need to design a
mini planer to make bone planks. Oh dem bones!

Mike OK

On 5/19/2024 7:18 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.

Just got done playing around with my newest toy for my Legacy.

The Magnetic base was a lucky find last week. (I got it cheap!) I
used two pieces of 3/4" plywood, cut them so they fit into the
Legacy's rail. put two screws on each end of the Mag. base and mounted
the Mag. base onto the Legacy.
Form there I used hot melt glue to glue down these bones onto my steel
plates. (new but old 7 1/4" circler saw blades cut into blank plates.)
(Bye the way these blades were $1.00each.) ;-)

I have used Hot melt glue a lot in the past, but never on steel.
I took a number of light cuts and everything held together nicely.

If anyone has any questions, Please ask.

talk to you all more latter.
Have a good weekend everyone.

C.A.G.

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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


That would be great, go for it

On 5/16/2024 8:36 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for posting these reference materials!  Would it be 
agreeable to you if I included this on the LegacyCharts spreadsheet I 
have been accumulating?  It makes for a handy local reference all 
things Legacy.

DanK

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 12:06:52 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing,  These methods have always worked for
me in the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his
methods as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s
 Crank handle
indexing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s
 Carriage travel
indexing.

As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.


  Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table


Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills



Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of
indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a
drive shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following
indexes can be obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up
with what I believe to be a close to definitive answer on the
number of indexes available. They are as follows.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36,
40, 48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.



The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of
times per x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the
Crank Handle Indexing article.



Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle
RevolutionGear  No. of Cranks
A   8
B   12
C   16
D   18
E   20
F   24
G   30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º
increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks
required to make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the
number of turns the x axis lead screw crank handle will need to
turn to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the
lead screw handle can be used as an equal division.

Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear  No. of Cranks /
Divisions   Degree Increments
A   64  5.625
B   96  3.75
C   128 2.812
D   144 2.5
E   160 2.25
F   192 1.875
G   240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For
example, using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you
can index the rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can
see by this example, it would be much faster to index the table
using a different method. Using the numbers above, here are the
possible indexes available for each gear.

Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear  
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
E

2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
F

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
G

2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48
, 60 , 80 , 120 , 240



Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact
me - Tim

Updated: 6/27/2010



C.A.G.

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Re: Learning a new way to do things.

2024-05-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

After these two methods were developed, I never ever once used another 
indexing plate.


Mike OK

On 5/15/2024 11:06 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Again everyone!

I have posted these video's ,Mike posted some years back.
on his methods of indexing, These methods have always worked for me in 
the past. and I hope some of you will learn and try his methods as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=17s 
 Crank handle indexing.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=4s 
 Carriage travel 
indexing.


As well as some notes for Tim K. on crank handle indexing.


  Crank Handle Indexing for the Rotary Table


Alternative Indexing Method for Legacy Ornamental Mills



Mike Pung posted an idea of using the stock gears as a method of 
indexing the rotary table instead of the stock handle. Using the a 
drive shaft to control the rotary tables motion the following indexes 
can be obtained with the stock gear set. I have come up with what I 
believe to be a close to definitive answer on the number of indexes 
available. They are as follows.


1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 24, 30, 32, 36, 40, 
48, 60, 64, 72, 80, 96, 120, 128, 144, 160, 192, and 240.




The stock gear set will turn the spindle a specific number of times 
per x-axis lead screw turn. For more information, see the Crank Handle 
Indexing article. 



Standard gear set - Leadscrew handle turns for one spindle 
RevolutionGear 	No. of Cranks

A   8
B   12
C   16
D   18
E   20
F   24
G   30

The rotary table makes one revolution for every 8 cranks or 45º 
increments per revolution. By multiplying the number of cranks 
required to make one 1 spindle rotation by 8 you can calculate the 
number of turns the x axis lead screw crank handle will need to turn 
to move the rotary table one revolution. Each crank of the lead screw 
handle can be used as an equal division.


Index Chart for Legacy's Standard Gear setGear 	No. of Cranks / 
Divisions 	Degree Increments

A   64  5.625
B   96  3.75
C   128 2.812
D   144 2.5
E   160 2.25
F   192 1.875
G   240 1.5

These can be broken down by skipping crank revolutions. For example, 
using the A gear and making a cut once every 4 cranks you can index 
the rotary table every 16 locations. However as you can see by this 
example, it would be much faster to index the table using a different 
method. Using the numbers above, here are the possible indexes 
available for each gear.


Rotary Table Indexes Standard Gear SetGear  
Divisions
A

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64
B

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 96
C

2 , 4 , 8 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128
D

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 9 , 12 , 16 , 18 , 24 , 36 , 48 , 72 , 144
E

2 , 4 , 5 , 8 , 10 , 16 , 20 , 32 , 40 , 80 , 160
F

2 , 3 , 4 , 6 , 8 , 12 , 16 , 24 , 32 , 48 , 64 , 96 , 192
G

2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 8 , 10 , 12 , 15 , 16 , 20 , 24 , 30 , 40 , 48 , 
60 , 80 , 120 , 240




Questions or comments or corrections, please feel free to contact me - 
Tim 


Updated: 6/27/2010



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Re: Mike's video on the Wood chuck and some of his MOD's

2024-05-15 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

https://youtu.be/ooqZZkCp7tI will start it from the beginning.  Those 
were the simple mods, I got pretty squirrely on some of them.  Those 
were the days


Mike OK

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI&t=311s 


I just saw this again. 7yrs old now. but still a lot of fun to watch.
Thanks Mike. ;-)

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Re: Why did you buy an ornamental mill?

2024-05-13 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

It was the mid 90's and I was still in the Air Force and was working on 
the next stage in my life, retirement! So that lasted a week and I was 
ready to get something started. Woodworking was always a hobby for me so 
I was pretty well equipped.  After all, I had a Shop-smith! One day I 
was looking for a porch post that was too big for my lathe to handle and 
happened across a column and stair company downtown.  While I was 
waiting my turn, the customer ordered some balusters and also brought in 
a chair spindle to see if they could duplicate it.  The lady said no but 
I was standing behind the guy out of his sight shaking my head yes!  She 
said just a moment and took the spindle around the corner, I followed 
her and told her I could do that for her company.  She went back and 
told the guy yes and the relationship began before I ever said hello.  I 
noticed the balusters he purchased were pretty plain and asked Betty, 
after the customer was gone, if I added a rope pattern to the stock 
part, if she thought it would sell.  She said bring me one and we will 
see.  I ordered the Wood-Chuck that day and the rest is history.  I've 
watch the Legacy grow out of the Woodchuck as steel and then aluminum, 
then to CNC.  But I still hold on to the Woodchuck because of all the 
things I can do with it, you just can't with the Legacy red line.  My 
business was 80% based on the turning and roping and 20% on radius 
mill-work using the Woodchuck or the Williams and Hussy molder.  30 
years was a great run and now, looking back, the greatest twist that 
ever came from the ornamental world was the friends I have made.  Some 
friends have passed on and others are immortal but fellow sawdust 
chewers and customers alike have a huge place in my heart.  I found a 
Customer-friend-student to pass on my twisted ways to. Doug said to me 
when we first started the possibility of him taking the business, that 
he loved to see a piece of lumber and visualize what was in there.  I 
knew right then that he was going to be a great fit!  I'm a lucky man to 
have had the opportunities I have had.  I guess my secret is this, when 
asked "Could you do this?" My response is always "Absolutely!  Then I 
figure out how and smile at what I got myself into.  Never second guess, 
just get started.  I love this group because I see a lot of the same 
attitude.  I'm proud of you all!  I am always here if anyone needs 
help.  And will always be a LiLtwisted.


Mike OK

Mike Pung 405-650-0542

On 5/12/2024 5:24 AM, Timothy Krause wrote:

Hello All,

I thought I would toss this question out to hear why you bought your 
ornamental mill. For me, I bought my first machine when I wanted to 
bring a different level of details to my current work. I was in a real 
niche market that I wanted to do some woodworking "tricks" that few 
people could figure out how they were made.


How about you?

-Tim




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Re: Roger's new work of Art

2024-03-29 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Absolutely beautiful!  Roger, you are truly a craftsman.

Mike OK

On 3/29/2024 10:22 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.

Roger (Ccm Ccm) made these table, He told me that he could not get the 
pix. size down enough to share with the Group.


I think this is a breath taking work of Art. and I feel everyone in 
the group. should see it.


Good job Roger!
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Re: Place is dead. Some local action

2024-03-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Very nice, you can usually get some pretty good curl in most trees if
you get the outer layers from under a large limb. The weight crumples
new groth. Nice flim-da-notch-it!

Mike OK

On 3/22/2024 10:42 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Still working on ball turner jig and progress is being made. Had to
hire machining help to cut a piece too big for me to cut.
But while letting those progress items simmer, I added to my utensil
supply with this experiment. Turned out better than I was hoping.
See why I want a ball turner? This is from a piece of apple tree that
is mostly sap wood. The interesting part is how much figure is in the
sap wood that cannot be photographed!

Spurtle.PNG
DanK
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Re: Watch "Make Wood Threads with this Amazing Router Jig!" on YouTube

2024-01-24 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

All is well with the site.  The only problem is there is an http(S)://  
for security.  That takes a certificate to stay up to date.  It lapsed 
so the link says secure and the certificate missing flags us with the 
warning.  Don't worry, it's all safe.  There is a lot of great info on 
that page so get in and poke around.


Mike OK

On 1/24/2024 7:22 PM, M.W.Foscue wrote:


Bill,

I get a "Security Risk" warning whenever I click on the second 
(smaller) video's link.


Won't take the chance - something shady must be going on (down)under 
the table - not you of course but, you are closer to Chinese hackers - 
so who knows!  LoL!


Thanks for sharing the video I did watch - again.   Always interesting 
to watch your videos.


Mac




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on YouTube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_l3gTZLkOc&ab_channel=aussiman77181 



not the best of videos it was a long time ago when I made these not 
even drive motors on my mill all hand cranking


here is a smaller one made on my revo 
https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/bolts/index.html


Bill




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 *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler

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on YouTube


Yes I totally agree, I was hoping you were going to show your Bolt and 
nut as I am not sure he saw it.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler



 On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 12:05 AM  wrote:

Think I will stick to doing them with the legacy

Bill

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Re: Split nut tap

2024-01-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

It sounds to me as if the slit nut thread is actually able to fit over
the lead screw as you would have intended it to do and therefore we are
dealing with a fit that is too loose. If the fit is too loose than
there can only be 3 things that could be wrong.

1. The bottom, un-threaded part of the nut, is not letting the
threaded half rest deep enough into the thread. To check this, set
the threaded part onto the shaft and then slide the carriage over to
the split nut and see if the two halves are on the same level. Best
scenario will be they are even. If there is a gap left between the
top and bottom, you have to start over. If the overlap each other,
it is an easy adjustment. Sand the threaded side until they just
barley line up and almost slide over each other.
2. When you threaded the split nut, if you used a drill to turn the tap
and then reversed it to get it back out, you could have wiped out
part of the threads and now you are stuck with a loose fit.
Instead, tap it by hand and then continue the tap through and not
back it up. If you want to use a drill press to make sure you are
going straight, only go part way and finish it by hand.
3. The tap, even though it is 5/8-4 it may have a different thread
configuration. That would be evident in the cut itself, look at if
there are square corners or if there is any radius relief in them.

Hope this helps.

Mike OK

On 1/21/2024 2:52 PM, Tim Porter wrote:

Hi Folks

I had two pair of split nuts made using a standard 5/8”-4 acme tap and
for some reason it doesn’t quite fit the lead screw. I have checked
it near the end of the shaft where there is no chance of wear. It’s
like the lead is off a few thousands of an inch or the thread width of
the tap is just a little too big. Driving me bonkers. Anyone had
issues with making new half nuts?

Thanks.
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Re: The Legacy Oval jig

2024-01-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

That is awesome Curt!  By stepping the cuts and overlapping with a thick 
pies of wood you will be able to make an oval bowl.  Oh the possibilities!


Mike OK

On 1/14/2024 7:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello everyone.

I got it up and working. There is still some fine turning that will 
need to be done.


But here are some photo's of what I did today.

C.A.G.
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Re: Sunday Jan 14th.

2024-01-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Pam said she was feeling her age too. So I checked, she felt fine to
me! That warmed me up! LOL 1º F here this morning. Happy Day everyone.

Mike OK

On 1/14/2024 9:38 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.
(Today starts my weekend.)

I hope everyone is worm, and staying Healthy.

Its 5 deg. F. outside today,( that's -15.C. for those of you who
Do/Use Celsius.)

I just got done shoveling the snow off the driveways and walk.
"MAN" Im feeling my age, at this time! (let just say Im not as Young
as I use to be.)
Anyhow, once I warm up, I plan to heat up the shop and "Play" some
with my Legacy today. If all goes well, I should have something to
share with you all latter . (if not today, Tomorrow I promise.) ;-)

Take care everyone.
Stay "Well" and Live live to its fullest!
More latter.

C.A.G
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Re: Web addresss question re: YouTube video about "Band saw blades"

2024-01-12 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

domain name shortening.  They both go to the same video and not through 
Belgium (.be).  Just like fb.me will take you to your home page.  It's 
just a redirect triggered to do what it kind of looks like.


https://youtu.be/MNQI-SGIdTI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQI-SGIdTI&ab_channel=BandsawLife 



Are 2 different roads to the same place.  And shorter is easier to share.

On 1/12/2024 11:26 AM, M.W.Foscue wrote:


Can't hep but wonder: What is the difference between the two domains 
we see in the two hyperlinks?


https://youtu.be/

vs

https://www.youtube.com/

I know the first is a TLD out of Belgium and the second (.com) is 
probably a US based site.


Can anyone explain how they both take you to the same place?  I often 
see Youtube videos going to the Belgium site - possibly half of them.


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Subject: Re: band saw blades

https://youtu.be/MNQI-SGIdTI

is the simple link, give it a try

On 1/12/2024 9:08 AM, Ed Trevillian wrote:

Looks like the video was taken down...
Ed Trevillian

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 8:38 PM  wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQI-SGIdTI&ab_channel=BandsawLife


found this today and I found it extremely interesting and I’m
thinking any of you with bandsaws will too.

Bill

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Re: band saw blades

2024-01-12 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

https://youtu.be/MNQI-SGIdTI

is the simple link, give it a try

On 1/12/2024 9:08 AM, Ed Trevillian wrote:

Looks like the video was taken down...
Ed Trevillian

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 8:38 PM wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQI-SGIdTI&ab_channel=BandsawLife

found this today and I found it extremely interesting and I’m
thinking any of you with bandsaws will too.

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Re: Legacy for sale in Valparaiso, IN

2023-12-29 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Try this link https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/709874603902976

On 12/29/2023 11:12 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't know how that link works for some and not others.  Still 
couldn't see it.  But
did find another one for sale 


DanK
On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:05:00 PM UTC-5 M.W.Foscue wrote:

Appears to be back up on FB.  I don't do FB - but I was able to
see the Mill and it opens with a video "tour running.

Looks to be a great machine/buy for someone.

Happy New Year to all of ya'll.

Mac




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Expired for me as well, hopefully someone from the group picked it
up or maybe we will have a new member soon.
Jeff from Connecticut
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2023, at 6:50 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

John, that listing shows as "expired" on reaching it.  ???  I
shouldn't be interested, so no worries.
DanK

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 12:24:32 AM UTC-5 Curt George
wrote:

Looks like a GREAT Mill !
Ball bearing headstock, motor drive, router and
turn/rotary table. Self standing with adjustable bed, +
the mobility kit .
And it looks like there are some extra goodies in the box.
(perhaps horizontal vice or steady rest...?)
This machine can do a lot!
C.A.G.
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 11:43:25 PM EST, John
Gonzo  wrote:
This one is In Batesville IN.
No photo description available.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720684306615888/?ref=browse_tab&referral_code=marketplace_general&referral_story_type=general&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-2817927832422882671%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%227216088508255890697%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A7216088508255890697%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A6%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A133%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A8500818345122445851%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A501%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A4.1313255972815e-5%2C%5C%22upsell_type%5C%22%3A129%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%226665417240223478%5C%22%3A3016%7D%2C%5C%22grouping_info%5C%22%3Anull%7D%22%2C%22lightning_feed_qid%22%3A%22-2818171648996029038%22%2C%22lightning_feed_ranking_signature%22%3A%228500818345122445851%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%2212l%22%7D



On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:12:06 PM UTC-8 Tim
Ziegler wrote:

lol for sure.

Kind Regards,
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 11:01 AM cdkr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Now if it was an Evolution
DanK

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:00:38 PM
UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Good idea, Curt!  What a Z axis that would
be.  Would make Tim the Toolman Taylor proud!
I am not tempted for several reasons.  It's
out of my budget range, I don't have the space in
shop or van, and it's almost 5 hours away.
DanK
On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:28:35 AM
UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

Good morning everyone.

Re: December's bones / Santa workshop.

2023-12-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

You are doing a great job Curtis!  Anyone would stay on the nice list 
for a chance of getting one of them.  Keep up the good work!


Mike OK

On 12/4/2023 8:12 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.
I am getting ready for Christmas, Santa's workshop is going into over 
drive. ;-) Here are a few new handles that I just finished turning.


Any question or comments are, as always I am open to hear what you all 
think?

Have a good night.

C.A.G.

P.S. Bill.
I posted a few of your videos to the AAW (American Association of 
woodturners.
Hopefully you will find some more people Subscribing  to your your 
tube channel.

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Re: Bone stuff

2023-11-26 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Yes it would.  And as an extra touch, I would leave some of the actual 
darker outside rough area as part of the milling/turning.  Kind of 
shabby chic brain bones.  You will see the refined skills blend right 
into the call of the wild. Just a though, could be a signature look.


Mike OK

Remember, as with bone, you HAVE TO wear a respirator.  Your lungs can't 
get rid of that dust.


On 11/26/2023 12:04 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey guys, It's Christmas season!

Had a wonder.  Would horn or antler stuff work similarly? Might be 
able to get bigger pieces?


DanK
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Re: GREAT info re: making router bits

2023-11-17 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I have also had custom bits made from Magnate. They have performed
rather well. They have become my go-to for bits.

Mike OK

On 11/17/2023 12:07 PM, M.W.Foscue wrote:

I saw the attached on an email from Woodline. I have not used their
router bits - but I remember they used to participate in "The
Woodworking Shows" every year before the Wuhan Virus struck.

They seem to be saying they can/will make whatever router profile you
want - just provide them with the profile.

If anyone has already used them for this service, or later do, please
let us know how it went - both in terms of cost and quality of the
router bit.

Thanks.

Mac

Now go do something Awesome - for a friend, co-worker, or a stranger!

Re: Veterans remberance

2023-11-11 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

We can all sleep well tonight because of the time, in the prime of their 
lives, young men and women gave in support of this country.  I'm proud 
to be an American Veteran and to have known so many others I call 
friends as well as family. Salute!


Mike Pung in Oklahoma

(AKA) Mike OK


On 11/11/2023 12:07 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good day all,

Wishing you all a huge thanks to all the past veterans, current 
veterans, and veterans to be.

Thank you!

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
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Re: checkering videos

2023-10-28 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Great work Dan.

I am sure it has been discussed but, All the effort thus far has been
with the bit point doing all the cutting from above. I have had similar
projects that chipping became a huge issue. A climb cut from the side
is the way to go. What you will need to accomplish this is a side
cutting V-groove bit

Magnate 778 Side V-Grooving Router Bit - 90 Degree; 1/2" Cutting Height ...

Then you will need to clamp your router on an angle that matches your
cut path. Either crudely secure it for the cut or make a jig that is
adjustable, your choice. Your cut will now shear instead of lifting
the fragile points of the checkering. You will enter the wood from the
side with the Y-Axis instead of the z-Axis.

Give it a thought and good luck.

Mike OK

On 10/15/2023 8:37 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
I finally got the dynamic vernier index positioning chart workable. I
can't be sure of error free yet, but it works accurately for 80 starts.

It took me awhile to stretch my head around the expanded vernier
operation on these high counts. It turns out that one has to go
around the index several times in some cases. I had assumed it would
be just once, like the simple indexes, and that was a stumbling block.
Because the vernier has to be moved once the moves exhaust it's span,
that creates a gap in the machining of the workpiece. Not to worry,
it finishes those gaps on the next go arounds.

I am debating about putting the three video clips together, but I
think it does better separately. This is not a video friendly site, so
I'll put them on my Google drive for a bit and post the links. This is
how I will link the description to help understand it's corresponding
video. Not a pro photographer, but I hope it explains the basics well
enough.

I'm attaching the now versioned Legacy Pitch Chart V10.1 which has the
dynamic vernier positioning chart. It is set up with print ranges
already, so once you select the number of divisions to cut, the chart
will adjust and you just print it. It made it possible for me to keep
track of what move I just did and what the next one is supposed to be.
Again, no guarantees if you use other than Libre Office Calc.

DanK

Re: Checkering diameter calculations, direct indexing

2023-10-09 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

As you will see in this video. https://youtu.be/SjcFpO51upw Carriage
indexing can be just as accurate as long as you have a positive stop at
the end of the cut as well as an absolute return point for the split-nut
to drop back in. Lots of options here so have fun.

Mike OK

On 10/9/2023 6:08 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Curt, I'm not sure of what is meant by "indexing the carriage". I
suspect

it means to break the sync (release the lead screw follower) and move
the carriage a pre-determined amount to get in position for the next cut.
That's the method Legacy teaches for spiral starts. Yes, I suppose it
could work with the right math. Checkering is so fine that any tiny
error shows up big time. I think it would be hard to maintain the
required

level of accuracy repeatably over the large number of passes needed. I'm
trying to address that issue.

The pitch of a checkering pattern is dependent upon the helix angle.
According to my calculations, the workpiece pitch would be 5.9" for a
60° helix angle. (see pitch chart>checkering) I'm looking to apply
cylindrical checkering to handles in the 4-6" range.

Mike, the method of "crank indexing" would fall into the indirect indexing
category of methods. It's one of the oldest and most reliable methods for
counts that are difficult to directly index (with pins). Your video
shows just
how slick it is for straight cut indexing, though. And I understand
the easy

math of the number of starts. It certainly covers the range of checkering
needs. But the video does not address how this works for spirals.
Am I overlooking something obvious?

For example, how would you reliably develop 80 starts of a helix
(spiral) using

crank indexing?

I don't see how this works for helix (spiral) cuts. The indexing for
spiral

cuts seems to require breaking the sync between travel and rotation
somehow. The relationship is repeated by either indexing the workpiece or
by reattaching the frame to the lead screw at a different location. As
I said

earlier, that's the issue I'm trying to address.

Does the 2x duplex gear fit on the REVO? I could make such a gear if it
does.

I sure appreciate the support you guys are offering. I'm relatively new
to ornamental turning, so my perspective is limited, to put it politely.
Thank you for your patience.
DanK

Re: Checkering diameter calculations, direct indexing

2023-10-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I never use pins and plates.  I use the gears and crank handle.  Have a 
look at the video I made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o  
with a 2X gear set, you will be able to accomplish a 15" pitch.  Since 
we have a 4 tooth per inch lead screw, It will take 60 turns to complete 
that 15"  If you make a cut on every turn, you will have 60 cuts evenly 
spaced.  If you make half turn cuts it will be 120.  Then 1/4 turn cuts 
will give you 240 cuts, evenly spaced.  It's easy math multiplying by 
4.  Then use full turns, fractions or multiple turns. Like if you wanted 
20 indexes, you would be able to chose a 15" pitch with 3 cranks per cut 
or use a 5 inch pitch gear set and do one crank and cut 5x4=20.
I last used a pin and hole for indexing 20 years ago.  Give it a look 
and see what you think.


Mike OK

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Re: Sprocket development

2023-10-05 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

My only caution for you is that there will be an easy grip of a chain
but all that torque will be transferred to the shaft. You will really
have to beef that area up if you will be doing "work". If you are doing
just low pressure or timing, that shaft will not be so vulnerable. I
suggest using something besides plexiglass.

Mike OK

On 10/5/2023 5:12 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, found that out the hard way. Was half expecting it, though. But
acrylic

should be fine for sprockets because the pressure is spread over almost
half of the sprocket instead of focused on a tiny contact point of
gearing.

Is that a reasonable expectation?
DanK
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 4:21:06 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

Hey Dan.

Acrylic and Plexiglas are to brittle to work for gears, (at least
for the long term.) But I have had luck with Acetal and Delrin/POM
H. work very well for the gears that I've made. These plastics
work/cut well on the Laser as well.

NOTE: I have Acetal/plastic gears meshing up with steel gears for
a long time, Only slight ware, even though the steel is much
harder then the plastic.

NOTE: increasing the speed of the gears is hard ON the gearing,
but if you want to slow the gearing down, going small works easy.
EXP. my x2,3,4 gear set. Using the 96 tooth gear form the Legacy
and 24,32,48 gears also standard gears. (can be found in our
archives...

https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/YrTllthCU-o/m/eZ7juNXZBAAJ

C.A.G.

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 03:30:31 PM EDT, cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

I wish I had listened to "sprocketman" BEFORE going to all the
trouble to make gears to produce a 6 TPI threaded dowel. But
then, we wouldn't have the calculators I fussed over. What drove
home the point in my thick skull was while working on the sprocket
calculator I discovered that a simple pair of sprockets, a 30
tooth and a 20 tooth would produce the desired 6 TPI. DOH.
Larger sprockets of 60 tooth and 40 tooth and several other
combinations would do the trick.

So, CDO (which is OCD in alphabetical order like it should be) is
pushing me to find a sprocket and hub system that makes changing
very easy. It looks like, after a lot of searching, that LOM
owners will have to build their own hubs. Going further down that
path, a pair of special hubs which hold type A plate sprockets
would be desirable, one for the driver and one for the lathe. Then
it dawns on me that 1/8" acrylic is easily cut into sprocket
shapes and is durable because the teeth are relatively large and
the load is widely distributed. And cheap. So, putting it all
together, three special hubs (one to hold the plates for machining
the mounting screw holes and sprocket roots), an idler sprocket,
and a length of #25 chain are all that's needed for a base system.
That sets up a scenario where a desired pitch can be had by
cutting one or two sprockets from acrylic. There are online
calculators that draw the sprockets to scale for printing and
subsequent machining. The range of pitches is quite broad, adds a
few to the gear pitch range and is a good alternative to the gears
LOM made for the overlap. In other words, it opens up
opportunities for those of us with limited budgets and can't find
the needed gears.

So that's what I'll be pondering for awhile. Any recommendations
on sprocket hole sizes?

To keep the plates flat and easy to make, I'm thinking the hub to
have a 3/4" diameter stub for centering the plate and a pair of
screw holes to hold the plate to a flange which would have to be
at least 1 1/4" diameter. If the center hole for mounting the hub
can be smaller, then perhaps a 1/2" diameter stub reducing the
flange needed to about 1" diameter. Either way, the goal would be
to make the hubs so they will hold sprocket plates
interchangeably. Universal within the range of the machine's
capacity.
DanK

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Re: A Wood Chuck Video form the past

2023-09-30 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

That machine there made me millions of dollars over 30 years of service
and is still working today. Just a little thinking outside the box as
well as inside and spirals around the box as well lol. Of all the
machines on the market, I believe this one was the most modifiable one.
Thanks for posting my video Curt. I hope it is an inspiration for many.

Mike OK

On 9/29/2023 7:47 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
This is a very good video of Mike's Wood Chuck and some of the MOD's
that he has made to make his machine do what he wants it to do.

There are some very good ideas, and potential Ideas for our members,
to help them make there machines work better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqZZkCp7tI

C.A.G.
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Re: ROLL CALL!!!

2023-08-19 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I'm still here and lurk when I can but am on the road quite a bit. Will
be in California in a couple days and then on to Alaska for the month of
September. Then Oct will be in Arizona. I hope somebody mows my lawn.
LOL.

Mike Pung

AKA Mike OK

On 8/19/2023 12:09 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hi guys! I know its summer Vacation season for most of you.

But I was wondering if anyone has heard form any of our senor members,
We have not heard from in quite a while / long time.

How about Roger (English Roger) comes to mind...
or Michael Kratky? Brigitte? Joe B.?... I could name more old friends
of ours. But I think you all know who you are.
It would be nice for everyone to chime in and say hello. (just to let
us know you all are OK?)

Mac or Russ, are you guys still lurking around?
(HOW about BOB? or David, Charlie?...)(AND the list goes on!) ;-)

Have a good night everyone.

Re: In the mean time....

2023-07-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Great job, I like the relaxed twist. Also like the finger handle the
way you pinned it in place. Keep up the good work.

Mike OK

On 7/16/2023 5:53 PM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

These were delivered this weekend. Old growth American black walnut.
Drilled 4" deep for stemmed flowers and tapered for standard candle.
Test tubes for water holding were late, so will be shipped later.
They look especially sharp with the classy glass bobeches in place
mimicking the saucer base. Can be seen in western Iowa.
ElizabethCandlesticks.JPG
DanK
On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 2:23:33 PM UTC-4 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Dan,

Excited your working on a project again for sure.
Your Pic did not show up.
Are you using the single or double gear set between your drive
gear and duplex?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 10:34 AM cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

Here is a prototype candlestick for a set of four matching for
my granddaughter. This is red oak, but the gift set will be
American black walnut. There will be a "saucer" with a carved
handle at the edge, you know, the old fashioned ring type.
That will give it "stability" both physically and visually. My
original intent was that in addition to the standard 7/8"
tapered socket, I would drill out for a test tube to allow a
couple of flower stems to be inserted instead of a candle. But
I'm having trouble finding a tube of 1/2" OD. It's a set of
four because she wanted two left twists and two right twists.
She has a rope candle mold that is right twist, and this would
allow her decorating options.

Is this a left hand twist?

DanK

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Re: In the mean time....

2023-07-07 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

All bolts and screws we use are right hand twist, (rightsy tightsy)
This image turns the other way so it is left hand twist or as in the
down-under vocab, Anti-clockwise.

On 7/7/2023 1:25 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Nice piece Dan,

I think its a right hand as it spirals up counter clock wise, but I
could be wrong.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 10:55 AM cdkr...@gmail.com
wrote:

Here is a prototype candlestick for a set of four
matching for my granddaughter. This is red oak,
but the gift set will be American black walnut.
There will be a "saucer" with a carved handle at
the edge, you know, the old fashioned ring type.
That will give it "stability" both physically and
visually. My original intent was that in addition
to the standard 7/8" tapered socket, I would drill
out for a test tube to allow a couple of flower
stems to be inserted instead of a candle. But I'm
having trouble finding a tube of 1/2" OD. It's a
set of four because she wanted two left twists
and two right twists. She has a rope candle mold
that is right twist, and this would allow her some
mix and match decorating options.
PrototypeCandlestick.JPG

Is this a left hand twist?

DanK

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Re: bone handle and a learning curve.

2023-07-03 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

It was always easier to index that way compared to trying to stab a pin
in a hole. Glad you are using that method.

Mike OK

On 7/3/2023 9:04 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Thanks Bill.

Its all part of the learning. Having a fine control on the template
follower is really nice. But with out a limit stop it become to easy
to cut beyond the proper depth of cut, and it bit me.
My problem was two fold, one the template is bigger then it should be
for the small bone blanks I am working. and the second is there has to
be a safety to make sure I cant cut to deep.
I have three more blanks made up. My hope is tomorrow to be able to
work them properly, and make something nice. ;-)

Bye to way. On the fluting, I use Mike Pung's gear/crank handle
indexing method.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=15s

Great way to get the job done. As always Thanks Mike!
And thanks Bill for the kind words.

C.A.G.

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 07:46:21 PM EDT,
wrote:

Every boo boo just adds knowledge to your skills at bone milling curt,
high level

Skills are usually achieved through mistakes lol

Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

*Sent:* Tuesday, July 4, 2023 9:02 AM
*To:* Legacy ornamental mills
*Subject:* bone handle and a learning curve.

Hello Everyone.

Day 2 of my long weekend.

The learning curve should not have happened, But it did.

In the Bad ending photos you can see I cut to deep into the bone.

I forgot a little thing like to set my limit stop onto the Legacy
before starting to cut

the bone, with out the stop set, there was no way to control the
minimum depth of cut, and I cut

into the brass tube due to this fact.

On the learning curve photos, I did set the stops, but I did not want
to trust the stop 100%, So I opted to by-pass the thin areas and flute
only the thicker parts. (I like the look of the three segments.)

I have some more bone blanks that I have glued up, But for today, I
think I am done. ;-)

Have a Great day everyone.

C.A.G.

Re: Router bit extension question

2023-06-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

One of the things we have a tendency to do is push the shaft too far 
into the collet.  Then when we tighten it, it will bury out and tighten 
up as a jamming to the bottom instead of squeeze onto the bit or 
extender shaft.  So in this condition, without enough compression on the 
shaft, it will only take a little vibration to get everything loose 
enough to start slipping.  Good thing for us, there is usually a lot of 
vibration noise or our work that gets in the way of launching it at us.  
The solution is; figure out how far you can insert the shaft and get a 
measurement.  Then remove the collet and see how far in the shaft will 
run into the collet before it pops out the other end.  Now if you add 
1/8" to the collet measurement and subtract 1/4" from the depth 
measurement, you will have your safe install zone.  On my carriage, I 
made those 2 marks, scratched into the metal.  It's pretty easy to make 
an ink mark on the router bit to make sure you are in the safe area.  
Now install it and while running, you may lose the marks but you will 
never lose the bit!


Now there is one more thing you need to do.  Your extreme shaft may have 
suffered some damage.  Make sure the shaft is smooth and free of burrs.  
If you need to polish it, you can chuck in a 1/2" shaft into the drill 
press and the chuck the extreme onto the shaft as well.  you will now be 
able to spin the shaft and work out any imperfections the slip may have 
caused.  Good luck and be safe.


Mike OK

On 6/20/2023 8:10 PM, Mike Newman wrote:
I have a question for those of you that have the extreme router bit 
extension on their LOM router.  How often do you check and re-tighten 
the extension into the router?  I have had it come loose a couple of 
times with no real advance notice.  Do you check it every time you use 
the router or so much run time between checks?  Ruin the walking stick 
I was working on but no issues with the router or collett/nut that I 
can see/feel.

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Re: "Same but Different" Today's Bone turning

2023-06-19 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

OK Curtis, here is an idea. Use a hard plastic 1/16" thick and put a
plastic washer between each piece of bone. I like the idea of total
contrast like black and white. Even if you use a stack of different
colors, it will make the bone go farther and give a new look.
Something along these lines.

Fallkniven NL5L Northern Light Idun NL5 - 3.94" Laminated VG-10 Blade -
Stacked Oxhide Leather Handle - Black Leather Sheath

On 6/18/2023 6:59 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.

Found some time in the shop today.

These are the Same but different.
I used bone for these handles but any material would have worked out
the same here.

I used the same template on the Legacy for both of these.
but changed the detailed part of the handle.
Now the neat part on these, They both used the same gearing,
Standard gear set and the same drive gear were used on both , The rope
was done first, 1/4" spacing on the 2" pitch. (8 starts)
And on the flute, The same gears were used, two rotations of the drive
handle for the index, to make the flutes.

C.A.G.

Re: Ratcheting index system

2023-06-11 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Well you know, this means you will need to make another video right?
Just say'n

Mike OK

On 6/11/2023 11:21 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone.

I Know most of you will not think much of this ,Since it is not a
Legacy made tool.
But I for one am Extinctic about this new Toy that I've made for my
Ornamental Mill.

This jig is for making designs that are more OT looking. I can use a
number of different rosettes (round templates) to make a number of
different patterns. This is just a newer mod to what I used in this
video 2 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5_TLeQQXeY

Now the indexing part.
In the past I removed a screw and counted holes in the indexing plate
to get my indexing. This jig, Makes the counting of hole obsolete (for
the most part.) by setting the bolts on the slide, I can make the
indexing much quicker and more accurate then what I could do with
counting holes.
I still need to count the holes and use the pin when setting up this
jig, but once set up, the pin will be used for a lock while cutting,
and by using the bolt/limit I can control the indexing of the part by
using the ratchet.

If all goes well, this jig, should help me do some pretty neat things
in the future. ;-)

Talk to you all more latter.
Have a good day.

C.A.G.
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Re: Model 200 video

2023-05-30 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Great job on the 200 as well as the video

Mike OK

On 5/30/2023 7:28 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

https://youtu.be/7rDWmWf3bkY

This was shot yesterday, Its the 200 with all the Mod's and in use.

Please let me know what you think?

C.A.G.
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Re: Re ShopSmith topic

2023-03-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I have modified My Shopsmith so many times it is hard to recognize LOL.  
First I started with replacing the tubes for solid steel bars that are 
32" longer.  I can turn 64" between centers.  That pulled me out of the 
furniture leg business and made all things stairways possible.  I would 
much rather do 40 turnings instead of 4.  This extra length made it 
necessary to control a lot of wobble in the center of a long skinny turn.


My devise has an advantage because you will be able to start out with a 
square hole for your square stock. Then when the rounding is finished 
you will either continue with the pattern or add the next carrier disc 
with a round center and move the roller assembly down to the appropriate 
sized area to match the round disc you chose.


All the discs must have an exact outer dimension with the same race 
area.  That way they will set in centered every time.  I start with the 
hole to fit the project and then hold the center with a 4 jaw chuck and 
turn the outside.  That way you know the orientation of the center hole 
is perfect.


I can't get to the devise at the moment and the computer with the 
pictures is dead.  When I pull out the hard drive I will get my pictures 
back.  But in the meantime, I hope the rough drawing helps.


Mike OK

On 3/21/2023 5:17 PM, Brigitte Graham wrote:

Hello Everyone,
If there's no objection, I'd like to talk to your collective ShopSmith 
heads!!
Have any of you tried the roller bladesaw guides from 
www.carterproducts.com  
(www.carterproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=+shopsmith+bandsaw+guides 
) 
as an upgrade from the solid cool blocks SS are supplied with?

Thanks for your time
Legacy Widow
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Re: New bone turning projects

2022-08-23 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


I wondered why you were so quiet, You were a busy boy!  Nice job!

Mike OK

On 8/23/2022 8:38 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

I made these over this weekend.

C.A.G.
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Re: Rose Engine for Jet wood lathe

2022-08-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

That is really going to drive Curtis CRAZY!

On 8/22/2022 5:31 PM, Dan Krager wrote:
Has anyone seen or experienced this item
?
I stumbled into it looking at how to machine wood threads on the REVO
and was amazed.

In short, it's a rose engine that bolts directly to a Jet 1014
standard lathe and offers almost all the capabilities of the rose
engine lathe of antiquity. For those wearing hip boots and waders in
this OM business, this seems like the cat's meow.

I'm not deep into extensive ornamental turning as it is a very
specialty item that takes a lot of time, but for those with creative
energy to burn, this would be a fun specialty.

BTW, haven't found internal or external threading discussions yet

DanK

Re: template follower

2022-08-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Here is a part of a video showing it

https://youtu.be/J3htO7uIOio?t=373

Then to see a few angles of the y-axis follower being used here is 
another video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_QyBna7Ac

I am sure there will be somebody with the clock video for you.

Mike OK


On 8/21/2022 10:47 PM, Dante5d wrote:
I have found instructions on how to assemble the template follower, 
but nothing on how to use it. I have steel templates from Legacy for a 
clock, but nothing on how to use them. I'm stuck, can anyone walk me 
thru  the process on using the template follower?

Respectfully,
Dante5d
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Re: Shopping Request

2022-06-29 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

What is the model number for the jig?  I'm sure there are other placed 
besides the Lee Valley store that would have them in stock.


Mike

On 6/29/2022 5:16 PM, Brigitte Graham wrote:

Veritas sharpening jig


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Re: Revo test

2022-06-07 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

So you have a 3 inch pitch.  3/4" times 4 starts = 3" pitch  .75x4=3  So 
more than likely a standard set with a "B" drive gear



On 6/7/2022 9:57 PM, timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

Did a little test on the Revo tonight after getting things tweaked.
Not much to tell 4 start 3/4 wide bit and I forgot to measure the drive
gear so no pitch. But it looked good and worked good.
Standard gear set.
Challenge to learn to run crank on left side when all my other machines
are on the right, but as you can see this stubborn German can even 
adapt. lol


Kind regards,

Tim J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Re: pineapple pattern

2022-04-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Here is an oldie but goodie using a rabbiting bit for pineapples.

https://www.ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/pineapples_by_mike.htm

Mike OK

On 4/22/2022 11:25 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
If anyone does this please make a short video for us newbies to watch,
thanks!

Chris Smith
Sacramento

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 3:49 AM Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yeah your right lol.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:39 PM wrote:

No need to remove the walnut Tim just move to the next mill in
the row lol

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*On Behalf Of *Tim
Ziegler
*Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 12:36 PM
*To:* LOM Group
*Subject:* Re: pineapple pattern

Looks like a great challenge, I may have to take you up on
that Bill.

Better take the Walnut stock off the LOM first though and get
a piece of HM.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:22 PM wrote:

I found this pic of a Dimond or pineapple pattern done on
a legacy now just by adding a 3/16 flat in the bottom of
the spirals really makes the pattern pop what do you all
think? Some one should try this.

Bill

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Re: Message form Mr. Seliger to the group.

2022-03-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

As an artist, you are going to be limited to a lesser angle on the
longer machines. If you are not going to be milling past 4 feet don't
get a longer machine. Do you have a site or pictures as to what you
would be doing? As an artist you will need to have as much versatility
as possible.

Mike OK

On 3/3/2022 10:48 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Robert Seliger
To:curt.geo...@yahoo.com
Thu, Mar 3 at 2:13 PM
Hi George
My name is Robert Seliger I am a furniture artist from bend oregon. I
am excited to contribute to the group any way that I can.
I am in desperate need for a legacy woodworking 1800 ornamental lathe
motorized would be great in good condition and willing to pay top$

Is this the machine I should be pursuing?
I am an artist and everything I create is different
Thanks best regards Robert Seliger

C.A.G.

Re: Getting Custom router bits made

2022-03-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Thanks Curtis, We will keep the group informed of the price and process 
as we go forward


Mike

On 3/4/2022 8:28 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Mike.

I was hoping, your message would go further then it did in the group. 
I have never had any custom router bits made, but there are a few 
sites that I have on file for OT cutters that offer smaller high 
quality designs that Doug or others in the group may like. 
https://www.ornamentaltools.com/tools


C.A.G.

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 8:22:48 PM UTC-5 LILtwisted wrote:

Hello everyone

I visited Doug Hill in my old shop I retired from.  He's doing
awesome!  Doug showed me some up coming projects with milling,
turning as well as bending wood for arched moldings.  He's turned
into quite the craftsman!  Here is one project that we will need
another router bit made for.  All the Magnate bits can either
match the cove or match the bead but not both.  So because the job
is going to be so big, turning although possible, is just not the
way to go.  I have drawn out a bit and even put in a little extra
meat in the deep parts.  Although this is going to be repeating
bead and cove design, this bit would also be very useful in roping
as well.  So here is why I bring it to the group.

1.  Do you have a favorite place to bet carbide router bits made?

2.  Would you all like to be in on a bulk purchase to get a new
blade and reduce the cost per bit by doing more that one-off?

3.  I'm trying to drag my friend and student onto the group! 
Doug??

Hope you all are doing well.

Mike OK



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Re: New Leather and bone turning

2022-02-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


You are too funny *Skin* Leather *down to the* cow *bone*!

On 2/15/2022 3:39 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
Just using up some left overs. ;-)   Working my skin down to the 
bone.  ;-p


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Re: DynaGlide suppliers

2022-01-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

There are a lot of links on this group from some woodworkers with the
same supply issues.

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/other-tool-reviews/dyna-glide-plus-lubricant/

Mike OK

On 1/21/2022 9:45 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
So some miss-interpitation with my post, not looking for substitutes,
only sharing other places where to purchase it.
Any other places that you have or know of just thought it would be
good to share.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 8:49 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills wrote:

Here we go again!

Good morning Everyone, Tim.

I spent appx. 2 years trying to find a better or homemade product
to replace Dyna-Glide. some work for a short time, but So far
nothing that I've found can replace Dyna-Glide.

https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp
also
carry's it. Perhaps you could try them?
In a pinch

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hornady-one-shot-with-dynaglide-plus-gun-cleaner-and-dry-lube
Hornady
ONE SHOT has Dyna-Glide in it. And it works pretty good on the
Legacy. ONE Advantage of using ONE SHOT, is you can buy it in the
liquid by the 1/2 gal. and put that in a spray bottle your self.
This ONE Shot works, but dose not seem to me to last as long as
Dyna-Glide its self.

A third option that did worked for me, WAS a home made version.
Lamp oil ( Liquid Paraffin) and Japanese dryer in a spray bottle
. (NOTE this did work well, but it also made a film that needed to
be remove after a short time of using it.

Products that work for a very short time ARE.
Plegde https://www.pledge.com/en-us It's Dirt CHEAP! and you can
buy it anyway, Sold in grocery stores, hardware stores... If used
daily on the Legacy, This could be a good product, It only lasted
a few hours of use before it needs to be used again. So there is a
trade off with going cheap. BUT IT DOES WORK WELL.

Now products like T-9 and Top coat ( sold at both Rockler and Wood
Craft.) only lasted (a little longer than Pledge) but did work OK
,But for the price difference, I just do not think its worth it.

In short Nothing that I've found works better then Dyna-Glide for
use on the Legacy. This is one (of many) reason why I went to
Linear rail on my machine.

I hope this help?

Have a good day.

C.A.G.

On Friday, January 21, 2022, 08:49:38 AM EST, Tim Ziegler
wrote:

Good morning all,

Checking to see where others are getting "Dynaglide".
I have tried some different substitutes for this but have
never really found one that works quite as well.
Bostik Glidecoat being one I currently use as well as Dynaglide.
I have used a couple other's from misc. suppliers but to no
avail.
So besides through Legacy I have found 2 other suppliers
that carry it. One is out of stock with the promise is "more on
it's way"
Promised for at least 2 months now.
The other store actually has it on hand. StewMac
So Stores:
LOM--- Price??? last I got was like $18.00
StewMac-- instock for $20.99
WoodWorker's Supply out of stock $23.59

https://www.stewmac.com/luthier-tools-and-supplies/supplies/cleaners-and-lubricants/sound-synergies-dynaglide-tool-conditioner

https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp

I ordered 2 cans last night through StewMac.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Dizzy Bowl

2022-01-19 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Here is a video I made that should inspire some ideas about how to
accomplish a bowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh1JTcyLWOI

Mike OK

On 1/19/2022 6:06 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

Yes it was Tim, there use to be a video out there showing making a
bowl on the rotary table

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler

*Sent:* Wednesday, 19 January 2022 11:00 PM
*To:* LOM Group
*Subject:* Re: Dizzy Bowl

For sure especially with our Horizontal mount Router system. Of course
the rotary table

would be what you were thinking maybe or not Bill?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 4:39 AM wrote:

Interesting Tim be fun to try and make one like it on the legacy

Bill

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*Sent:* Wednesday, 19 January 2022 2:14 PM
*To:* LOM Group
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Just thought i'd share this one.

pretty interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTCiP8veNTQ

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: Making do Spade Bit Mod

2022-01-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Yes, the wire clamper

On 1/14/2022 1:10 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

The Clamper Mike?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:38 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

I have had one of these like his in my tool bag for 15 or so
years. It has saved my butt more than once.

Mike OK

On 1/14/2022 9:48 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

Not bad Tim nice idea, check this guy’s wire clamp tool I liked
it so much I made one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRc7ZDRcgrQ&ab_channel=AdvokoMAKES
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRc7ZDRcgrQ&ab_channel=AdvokoMAKES>

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of
*Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Friday, 14 January 2022 11:18 PM
*To:* LOM Group
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Making do Spade Bit Mod

Here's a cool idea for a spade bit mod.

Everyone wires something together at one time or other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiK3WFgHgI

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

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Re: Making do Spade Bit Mod

2022-01-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I have had one of these like his in my tool bag for 15 or so years. It
has saved my butt more than once.

Mike OK

On 1/14/2022 9:48 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

Not bad Tim nice idea, check this guy’s wire clamp tool I liked it so
much I made one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRc7ZDRcgrQ&ab_channel=AdvokoMAKES

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler

*Sent:* Friday, 14 January 2022 11:18 PM
*To:* LOM Group
*Subject:* Making do Spade Bit Mod

Here's a cool idea for a spade bit mod.

Everyone wires something together at one time or other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiK3WFgHgI

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

Re: New source of fire wood/turning wood

2022-01-02 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

The next try, put a piece of tape across the cuts you have made, tape 
the same path as the bit.  Then the tape will act like a shock absorber 
and nullify the run-away vibrations.  After the cut, tape up what you 
just did and remove the tape for the next cut.


Mike OK

On 1/2/2022 10:05 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

just when my confidence was building it went south lol.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 9:41 PM Jeff Richmond  
wrote:


I feel your pain……I have been there more than once.

Jeff from Connecticut


On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:27 PM, Tim Ziegler 
wrote:


I was hand cranking but I was less then 2 inchs from the
end.. aurrgg!!
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 9:22 PM Jeff Richmond
 wrote:

Ouch, that last cut through can be quite delicate. I step the
bit down incrementally maybe 1/16 to 3/32” at a time at the
most and hand crank it to feel the cut.

Jeff from Connecticut


On Jan 2, 2022, at 9:38 PM, Tim Ziegler
 wrote:


Hey Bill, no that just happened now. lol heres a picture of
it playing dead on the floor.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 7:21 PM  wrote:

Let me guess Tim it vibrated real bad on the last
through cut and blew out and shattered to pieces right?

Bill

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 *On Behalf Of
*Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Monday, 3 January 2022 11:43 AM
*To:* LOM Group 
*Subject:* Re: New source of fire wood/turning wood

Hey Chris,

Yeah I had a large spiral I was turning last night that
was going to be my first attempt to do a through spiral,

everything went south about 2/3rds of the way through.

I did contribute to the wood pile with that project. One
thing that happened is the acme screw came loose. oops.

I did my first pen on my big lathe and am super happy
with it. I gifted my wife with it.

I will actually post that yet tonight if I get time.
heading back out to master that through spiral. lol


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 3:07 PM Chris Smith
 wrote:

Tim,

I tried turning a spiral pen on the LOM and it went
bad quickly.  Among other things I chewed up the end
of the pen mandrel screw knob and the part on the
legacy that pushes against the mandrel (I guess the
equivalent of a tail stock). I've got a
"Frankenstein" machine I put together from a LOM
1200 and 1000 and not everything is fitting
correctly.  Anyway, I'm sure I'll figure it out
sometime in 2022!

Happy New Year to all of you,

Chris


Chris Smith

Sacramento

On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 4:25 PM Tim Ziegler
 wrote:

for sure thanks for the encouragement Chris.

I'm very stoked to start pen turning. I actually
cut several pen

blanks this morning as I was moving things
around to work

on the next job. I have several that are
Granidillo, some nice walnut

that has some super grain patt. will even do
some maple and oak

to do some tests on. I'd like to do some that I
can mill a flat spot on

on the LOM for a laser surface too. I have dig
for the Mesquite but

I know I have bits of it somewhere.

more later

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 11:21 AM Chris Smith
 wrote:

I've tu

Re: Last Chance: Woodchuck

2021-11-29 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Sent you an email to pick it up Friday. Hope it is still available

Mike OK

On 11/29/2021 10:31 AM, Rick Waters wrote:

Hi everyone,
The time has finally come that the woodchuck has to go. It's taking up
too much room in the garage and I never actually used it. It's been
sitting there for about 3 to 5 years and it comes with everything you
see in the pictures. If anybody wants to come down to Naperville
Illinois they can have it for free. I will not be able to meet you
anywhere with it, or truck it across the country. And I'm just
generally unwilling to ship it. But if you want it it's yours.

Pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/74wg2kigsu01og0/AABmhLV_BbnqmlwkaL91iKGfa?dl=0

Rick
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Re: New member introduction

2021-11-28 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Welcome to the group Jeff.  I'm with you on the smell of burnt 
  I don't like it at all.  Air exchange as well as a good 
filtered mask is a must.


The Wood Chuck in the picture has one very important mod that was made 
by the owner.  He took the 1 X 2 steel rail off the front and replaced 
it with a 2 X 2 That I am sure helped with a lot of the sway that would 
turn up in the big bladed cuts.  The next model after the wood chuck was 
the Steely as we call them.  They used square galvanized tubes to add 
strength.  I still use my Woodchuck because I can do a lot more in the 
way of modifications when the center points are raised and not trapped 
between rails.  I have done 15 foot posts and table bases with a 
diameter of 25" All the way down to roping a tooth pick.  Welcome to the 
group that does not accept "limitations"


Mike OK

On 11/28/2021 7:01 AM, Jeff Richmond wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I recently joined this group in late October as a fellow owner of a 
Legacy Ornamental Mill with the hopes of learning more about this tool 
and its capabilities. Thanks in advance to everyone for sharing 
offering your experiences and helpful tips that a user group like this 
provides.


To add a little input to the recent group conversations

Bone Turning, I have turned some deer antler pens upon request which 
were well seasoned (dry) but there was a distinct smell like burnt 
skin / fingernail during the process. They came out well but it is not 
a medium I prefer to focus on.


Lookout for used mills: I am always on the lookout for parts and 
accessories for my mill as I am sure most of you are. I do not need 
another (at least that what I have to keep telling myself) but in my 
searching, I did bump into this one if anyone wants to expand their 
capability. It is a little older but it appears to have a variety of 
gears as well as the manuals and instructional videos ( including a 
VHS player ) Legacy ( Woodchuck ) Ornamental Mill - tools - by owner - 
sale (craigslist.org) 



Jeff from Connecticut
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Re: Busy day in the shop

2021-11-20 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I'll say it was busy! Great job

Mike OK

On 11/20/2021 4:33 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone!

Santa's work shop projects for the season are now completed. (Note: I
did not do everything today, but completed everything on my list today.)
I made 22 magnifying glass handles, using some 6 different designs,
and a number of different woods.
I also Made three different Legacy projects shown here, ( Note: I made
the bone handles last week, I'm not sure if I showed them off, So I'm
posting this today.) and a checkering handle on a Billy club. rounds
everything off. LOT's of fun, I learned some new tricks on these
projects too, that may help, your next project if you choose to try them?

Please let me know what you think.

Any questions or comments are as always welcome.

C.A.G.

Re: Looking for new miniature profile router bits

2021-09-23 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Amana has all kinds of adapters. The RB-15 will fill the bill here.

https://ballewsaw.com/search/?q=amana+rb-1

Mike OK

On 9/23/2021 2:51 AM, Brigitte Graham wrote:

Curt,
I should think that Dremel Drill router bits would be suitable for
what you need? (Depending on whether your Portacable will take
3mm~1/8th shank on the bits?)

Brigitte

On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 05:57, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills > wrote:

Hello
Years ago Rockler woodworking shops sold a miniature profile route
bits, I bought a few back then but have not seen anything like
them since.
Today I found this.

https://www.wonkeedonkeetrend.co.uk/trend-router-cutters-for-specific-applications/doll-s-house-router-cutters/

Doll house router cutters. I have no idea on the quality, OR
prices? but this is the first site that sells router bits like
what I want. I know Amana sells some miniature profiles, but I
either already own the ones I want, or the price it outside my
confront zone. (If I *need* something I buy it, but if I just
*/want/* something, then I do my research and or make it my self.)
(being Frugal sometimes is a pain! ) ;-p
In the past I tried to re-grind my own HSS router bits, but those
days are all but gone.

Mike offered the group to have some custom cut carbide bits made a
few years ago. I also know that Magnate will custom make
profiles. (but I've not used there services as yet.)

Dose anyone know, and or have the knowledge to make your own
profiles/ tricks and ways of doing so?

Can Carbide router bits be re-ground to new profiles?

Any and all ideas are up for topic.

talk to you all more latter.

C.A.G.
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Re: Knees shot

2021-08-16 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


It's not old age!  It's Kneezzles, the new pandemic!

Mike

On 8/16/2021 12:30 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
lol I think its the weather lol. I think we are all feeling a little 
test of time.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 10:39 AM > wrote:


If you find the answer to that one let me know its cold and wet
here down under and all my joints feel like 50 miles of bad road too

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Michael Kratky
*Sent:* Monday, 16 August 2021 11:13 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Knees shot

Was turning all weekend getting ready for a Show we’re hosting
this weekend as part of local Arts Festival now my knees are
killing me and kept me up all night any recommendations?

Do those Copper Fit knee braces help?

Michael

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
] *On Behalf Of
*Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Saturday, August 14, 2021 10:11 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: ???

lol just got to thank him and move on Bill. Right?


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:50 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

Shopping I make lots of new friends I’m always asking for
someone to pass me something lol my worst one was I dropped my
phone the other day Grocery shopping and a guy way older than
me picked it up off the floor hand handed it too me ☹that sux

Bill

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Michael Kratky
*Sent:* Saturday, 14 August 2021 11:32 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* RE: ???

Not to mention just a simple thing like putting on or tying
your shoes, climbing, stairs, scaffolding or shopping items on
the lower shelves; no complaining just an observation.

Greeting from the 6,000,000 acre NY State Adirondack Park;
home of the poor, playground of the rich.

Michael

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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Of *bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
*Sent:* Friday, August 13, 2021 3:15 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* RE: ???

Yes about the only thing we can do about getting older is
laugh about it 😊

Bill

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Ron Taylor
*Sent:* Saturday, 14 August 2021 1:20 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: ???

This made my wife and I laugh!! Nice one,

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:21 PM Tim Ziegler
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

oh thats to funny. lol

Did my pix come in for you yet?


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 9:19 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

isn’t this the truth lololololol

Bill

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Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

2021-06-30 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Look at a video I found if you are interested in the guts and age of 
this vise style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeOgGt_oWU

Mike OK

On 6/27/2021 10:06 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome!
They could be a very big help of holding and working with odd shaped 
objects, These might open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?


Watch these You Tube videos for your self, them lets hear what you think.


C.A.G.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvnizh0XPOA&t=22s 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tfzp19wxs0 


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Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

2021-06-27 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I suppose that if you cut a slot in the taper and inserted a tab 
standing 1/16" proud, that would allow you the ability to turn without slip.


Mike OK

On 6/27/2021 10:06 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome!
They could be a very big help of holding and working with odd shaped 
objects, These might open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?


Watch these You Tube videos for your self, them lets hear what you think.


C.A.G.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvnizh0XPOA&t=22s 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tfzp19wxs0 


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Re: Crank handle indexing

2021-06-11 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

That 4 number is constant because it takes 4 cranks of the handle for 
every inch of travel no matter what the pitch is because we are 
referring to the Acme screw.  If the stock in my example was 5" Then if 
you were going to go with the 20 indexes as in the example, then you 
would take 15.7 as you calculated and would divide that by 20.  That 
would give you .785 so 3/8" would be for the blade and the remainder 
would be your untouched area.  your decision at that point would be to 
either go with it, use a wider bit or increase the number of indexes.


Also remember, this method only works for straight cuts and not for 
anything in a spiral.


Mike
OK

On 6/9/2021 8:20 AM, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
Hey Mike... does this indexing method work only if the number is 
divisible by 4?... for example, in the last example you used, if the 
diameter was 5" instead of 4.75, the math doesn't fall on even 
numbers... 5 X 3.14 = 15.7... 15.7 divided by .75 = 20.93... 20.93 
divided by 4 = 5.23 pitch... I always thought the pitch is the pitch, 
whatever it might be, and would take importance over any other factor, 
like the width of cut... why would the pitch be determined by that 4 
number?... now if you are making something of your own design, then 
certainly you have the option of making any pitch you want... but for 
certain designs, sometimes the pitch needs to be larger or smaller 
than what the formula dictates... I was always surprised why Legacy 
never had a better indexing method when doing spiraling work... the 
seemed to work out just about everything else very well on their 
design, but not indexing when doing spiral work... thanks for your 
input... Joe B.


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 12:37:17 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

Defiantly a good thing to know I admit I should use that method more.

Bill

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 *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Wednesday, 9 June 2021 10:33 AM
*To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Crank handle indexing

thanks Mike,

I will get this formula wrote down and laminated.

I do have all the plates too for my 1200 as I ordered them when

i first got going. But I know I need to learn this and get it
stuck up in the head.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798  shop

320-630-2243  cell

    On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 5:56 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
 wrote:

Let's say we are doing 3/8 flutes with 3/8" space between them
on a 4-3/4 round stock

Either wrap a tape around and see what the circumference is or
4.75 x 3.14 (Pi)= 15" circumference.

3/8 flute + 3/8 space = 3/4 or .75

15÷.75 = 20 flutes and spaces

20÷4=5" pitch

Mike
OK

On 6/8/2021 3:26 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

I guess I still get lost on the pitch etc... How do you
decide how many flutes or reeds you need. Let me look at
my sheet and see. I'm into antiques this week So little
distracted.v

        TZ

    On Tue, Jun 8, 2021, 1:38 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
 wrote:

Come on, it's not that hard...

https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o
<https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o>

Crank handle indexing is absolutely the easiest way to
reed and bead but will only make a mess of roping.

Very simple, how many beads do you need? Lets say 24
all you have to do now is divide by 4 teeth per inch
(on the acme screw).  You will come up with 6.  So now
you set your Legacy up with a 6" pitch.  You will have
to turn the crank handle 24 times to get the carriage
to move 6" if the split nut was locked in, but since
you are pushing the carriage by hand, the crank handle
will turn the stock 1/24th of a revolution every full
crank.  All you have to do is crank once and make one
cut, crank again and make another cut etc. until
you've made it all the way around.

20÷4=5" pitch
16÷4=4" pitch
Hmmm what about a 36?
36÷4=9" pitch
Okay 72
Same as the 36 but just do 1/2 turns

So you see, you have more options this way then you do
from holes in your plates.

Mike

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Re: Crank handle indexing

2021-06-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Let's say we are doing 3/8 flutes with 3/8" space between them on a
4-3/4 round stock

Either wrap a tape around and see what the circumference is or 4.75 x
3.14 (Pi)= 15" circumference.

3/8 flute + 3/8 space = 3/4 or .75

15÷.75 = 20 flutes and spaces

20÷4=5" pitch

Mike
OK

On 6/8/2021 3:26 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
I guess I still get lost on the pitch etc... How do you decide how
many flutes or reeds you need. Let me look at my sheet and see. I'm
into antiques this week So little distracted.v

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021, 1:38 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

Come on, it's not that hard...

https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o <https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o>

Crank handle indexing is absolutely the easiest way to reed and
bead but will only make a mess of roping.

Very simple, how many beads do you need? Lets say 24 all you have
to do now is divide by 4 teeth per inch (on the acme screw). You
will come up with 6. So now you set your Legacy up with a 6"
pitch. You will have to turn the crank handle 24 times to get the
carriage to move 6" if the split nut was locked in, but since you
are pushing the carriage by hand, the crank handle will turn the
stock 1/24th of a revolution every full crank. All you have to do
is crank once and make one cut, crank again and make another cut
etc. until you've made it all the way around.

20÷4=5" pitch
16÷4=4" pitch
Hmmm what about a 36?
36÷4=9" pitch
Okay 72
Same as the 36 but just do 1/2 turns

So you see, you have more options this way then you do from holes
in your plates.

Mike

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Crank handle indexing

2021-06-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Come on, it's not that hard...

https://youtu.be/oHgzEKnON-o

Crank handle indexing is absolutely the easiest way to reed and bead but 
will only make a mess of roping.


Very simple, how many beads do you need?  Lets say 24 all you have to do 
now is divide by 4 teeth per inch (on the acme screw).  You will come up 
with 6.  So now you set your Legacy up with a 6" pitch.  You will have 
to turn the crank handle 24 times to get the carriage to move 6" if the 
split nut was locked in, but since you are pushing the carriage by hand, 
the crank handle will turn the stock 1/24th of a revolution every full 
crank.  All you have to do is crank once and make one cut, crank again 
and make another cut etc. until you've made it all the way around.


20÷4=5" pitch
16÷4=4" pitch
Hmmm what about a 36?
36÷4=9" pitch
Okay 72
Same as the 36 but just do 1/2 turns

So you see, you have more options this way then you do from holes in 
your plates.


Mike

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Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

2021-06-08 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Starting a new thread


On 6/8/2021 12:25 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
Yeah I worked as a tooling technician for over 20 years of my 27 year 
career at WoodCraft Industries Inc.
and some interesting math to work with tool geometry, knife marks per 
inch calculations, radius, tool healing clearance
angle, chip loads, positive and negative hook ufff. Good thing the 
cad and tool designers do a lot of it. I had to

know how fast to run, or goal to run etcBut yeah you get my drift.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:55 AM > wrote:


I understand I don’t use his method I like to keep it real simple
I use either my gauge blocks or index plates which I mark the
correct holes with a sharpy it cleans off easy enough when
finished I failed math at school lol.

You think mikes math is hard I used to have to mill gears on a
miller in my engineering days that math was a nightmare for me lol.

Bill

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:41 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

Thanks Bill I value your opinion so thanks for sharing that.

I am still trying to wrap my head around the math Mike used in his
video too.


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:27 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

Well now this is my opinion from the side gives different
shapes of the rope than from the top I’m not a great lover of
side cutting but you can get unique shapes curt is the side
cutting expert also your limited to smaller dia ropes and yes
long small dia will need support. Also reeds and flutes from
the side are better from the side less pressure on the bit.

But like I said this is just my opinion

Bill

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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 8:46 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

Ok Guys so I've been doing most everything from top. What
advantages are you seeing doing it from the

side? I'd see needing the same supports but am I wrong? Curt,
I'm going to post those posts I made here

soon in a separate post and would like to see if we get some
feed back from others too but for now tell

me more about milling from the side?

By the way I have an 80/20 rep coming out tomorrow to see what
they all have to offer. lol


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 2:31 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>> wrote:

I pretty much do all my rope this way eather from the side
or down from the top as in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&ab_channel=WATOPWATOP


Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:18 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

Thanks guys.

Bill I too have Tinnitus, as well as *High
Frequency* Nerve damage to my hearing. (for me the noise
NEVER Stops. Just something that I have learned to live with.)

But with this song, the silence  is not... ;-P

Can either of you offer another method on Roping that you
like to use?

I have another method that I like to use, that I did not
state earlier. but others in the group may not like this
method, mainly due to it uses jigs that I made my self,
that could be a bit tricky to explain and even harder to
get people  to make them for them self's.

Sorta like the Wave attachment. Its very cool, And a lot
of

Re: Rotary Shaft

2021-04-12 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


This should open up a few choices
https://www.google.com/search?q=1/2%22+steering+u-joint&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS767US767&sxsrf=ALeKk03xPKchhDghN0xnlrrR2LuiWCxkbQ:1618279745491&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo3IHrkfrvAhXFLc0KHUoiDPYQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1681&bih=706

Mike OK

On 4/12/2021 9:01 PM, Tracy Smith wrote:

Yes, the shaft is one half inch in diameter.

Tracy

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 7:11 PM M.W.Foscue > wrote:


Tracy,

Thanks - exactly what I had in mind.
Due to the shadow and parallax, I can't tell the diameter of the
shaft.  Please let us know.
It appears it might be 1/2" ?

_*For ALL Group members:*_
Does anyone recognize the U-joints?
Specifically where they may be bought?
And a source for the shaft and Morse Taper adapter too?

Thanks!
Mac


-Original Message-
From: Tracy Smith
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 8:27 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft

Here's a couple more.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:

Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith
wrote:

I've had several people interested and ask questions
about the rotary shaft. I know this accessory is very
rare.

Mac suggested that I take some close ups.

I hope these are useful. I took a first group of
pictures next to a measuring tape, and then rolled it
slightly and took the similar pictures.

Tracy

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Re: Cutting threads on a 2" spindle.

2021-04-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

So the real question here is, do you want fine thread or do you just
want it to look that way? If you use a 1/2 inch pitch with a 2 start,
there will be a thread every 1/4 inch. Then you will do the same thing
on the nut. With a 4 start, you will have a thread every 1/8" That
would look real fine but the nut traveling down will still be 1/2"
travel per revolution. As long as you are not trying to match a thread
of an existing thing already threaded, you are free to make it look any
way you wish.

Mike OK L³

On 4/4/2021 5:20 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

On the legacy with the gears they supply the finest thead you can cut
is 1/2inch pitch using the .25 reduction gears and drive gear A

This is 4 threads per inch cut with a 90degree pointed router bit wood
threads are usually 90 degrees where metal are 60 degrees.

Now to do finer threads like 8 threads per inch which is what I would
use on a 2 inch rod you would need to make custom gears.this can be
done with sprockets or with gears both a not a quick job. See the pics
for examples of ones I have made

Bill

*From:*'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills

*Sent:* Monday, 5 April 2021 4:38 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Cutting threads on a 2" spindle.

Hello Denson

I think your question should have its own thread.

Its a GREAT Question, And the Answer is ??? Its been done, but
depending on what you want the answer may very. ;-)

* Hi gentlemen,

Has anyone turned threads on the legacy?

I want to make some 2” diameter threaded wooden rods.

Thanks in advance.

Sent from Denson's iPhone

C.A.G.

Happy Easter

2021-04-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


Rejoice!

You fill in the rest.

For me it be cause "He has risen!"

And for Cadbury eggs of course.  Spring is around the corner in the 
northern and fall is coming for heat relief in the southern hemisphere.  
This should put us lega-maniacs in the best temperatures for 
creativity.   Onward and upward and a lil-twisted my fellow dust bunnies!


Mike OK

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Re: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

2021-03-29 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

That would really be cool to put a chain and sprocket with a drive nut 
to be run by a drill.  That way you would be able to raise both bars on 
one end at a time but they will raise without binding.


Mike OK

On 3/29/2021 12:16 PM, M.W.Foscue wrote:

Bill,
Got it.  Thanks.  I now understand.
Mac


-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 29, 2021 1:06 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Sorry mac that’s all I have its from here

http://benchmark.20m.com/tools/LegacyMill/LegacyJigs/legacyjigs.html


Bill



*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
*Sent:* Monday, 29 March 2021 3:56 PM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Bill,

Nice - thanks for sharing.

The second "modification" you described on that attached sheet is
a "movable four post raise mechanism".

Unfortunately, you did not include a photo or drawing of it.

If possible, will you send out any photos or drawings you may have
of that movable four post raise mechanism?

Thanks.

Mac



-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
Sent: Mar 28, 2021 8:57 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Here is a homemade one

Bill



*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf
Of *bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
*Sent:* Monday, 29 March 2021 11:19 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Here are some pics I grabbed oneday from the net showing the
dust capturing shields they had note the red bag underneath
and the plastic strips hanging over the router.


Bill



*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *On Behalf
Of *bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
*Sent:* Monday, 29 March 2021 10:43 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com

*Subject:* RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Well this one is out of my league I personally let the chips
fly it helps slow down clogging the mill and making things
tight I just sweep up and vacuum when the job is finished or
after several jobs usually when I drop something and can’t
find it lol. on my revo I use plexiglass shielding this keeps
the dust off me and mainly on the floor under the mill where
its easier to clean up that’s about it legacy did make plastic
striping they hung around the router but I didn’t like it I
like to see it cutting.

Bill



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mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
*Sent:* Monday, 29 March 2021 9:22 AM
*To:* Legacy ornamental mills
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:* Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Hey Tim I hate bugging you guys with such fundamentals ,I need
some advise with dust collection, my wife's about had it lol
,I can't decide which collector I want to buy and also I
figured you guy have the bugs worked out, my machine didn't
come with the stock intake port or anything like that any ideas??

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Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

2021-03-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

A lot of the newer Legacys (made in the 2000's) lol  use a rub stylus to 
follow the pattern.  You will either have to wax up the pattern real 
good or make one like I have on the WoodChuck (last century) It uses a 
bearing to follow the pattern.  Have a look here 
https://youtu.be/LI_QyBna7Ac?t=118


Mike OK

On 3/22/2021 1:19 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
So my thinking with the wiper motor would be to adjust a drive arm 
similar to what Curt's wave attachment does.
Maybe have to use a threaded rod etc This stemmed from Mac's 
question and what has been floating around in
my head. I've got the fever super bad Mike what do I do Feed the fever 
with more LOM right.

Did you find me a Revo yet lol. or a 200?
Anyway hope all is well your way and so back to the Template follower:
Are there some videos on that? I took mine off as it was more in the 
way then I used it.
but if I understand that it actually works without hanging up or 
dragging I may be tempted to

apply it more.
I guess I'm trying to sell myself into using it if it's practical.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:15 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:


Wiper motor would work if it was just one semi random pattern but
would not be able to set another cut next to it with any consistency.

Yes, the "Y" tension would be a manual tensioning but I would use
the drive screw to make sure I had a consistent cut as well as
consistent start and stops if they are required.  If you are just
running off the edge of the board, then the stops are not as
necessary.

Mike OK

On 3/22/2021 5:49 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Mike,
Don't you have to manually follow the template follower?
How small of a wave could you create?
I want to put a Windshield wiper motor on it to get the same
concept as the wave for the small tight patterns If I were going
to do it??
Thoughts???

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
    320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 10:45 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

I guess one easy way to get a zig-zag on flat work is to just
use the "Y" axis pattern follower.  Just sayin'

Mike OK

On 3/21/2021 10:27 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills wrote:

Hey Mac.
Depending on your intent. a Zig Zag pattern can be made on
the Legacy using the template follower on flat wood. The
Wave attachment is a easy tool to make.

IF anyone wants to make there own, its easy to do, and a lot
of fun to use. I can give a step by step directions on how I
made what I did.
You can see by looking in our archives, all three Wave
attachments (Bill's, Tim's and mine) look different, but all
work on the same concepts, There is no reason anyone can't
make there own, Who knows perhaps you will find a better way
of getting the job done.
There is ALWAYS more than one way to get any job done.
I wish you luck.
If you want help, I can do that too. ;-)

C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021, 08:40:18 PM EDT,
 <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:


Neat idea Tim get inventing

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>

<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf
Of *Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Monday, 22 March 2021 9:14 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave
works on revolving the spindle being turned partially.

But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it
come to my head but we need to had something similar that

would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle
turning if it's going to be square. Or are you thinking round?

Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to
moving the router carriage???


Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

To Group members with Wave Machines (Ti

Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

2021-03-22 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Wiper motor would work if it was just one semi random pattern but would
not be able to set another cut next to it with any consistency.

Yes, the "Y" tension would be a manual tensioning but I would use the
drive screw to make sure I had a consistent cut as well as consistent
start and stops if they are required. If you are just running off the
edge of the board, then the stops are not as necessary.

Mike OK

On 3/22/2021 5:49 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Mike,
Don't you have to manually follow the template follower?
How small of a wave could you create?
I want to put a Windshield wiper motor on it to get the same
concept as the wave for the small tight patterns If I were going to do
it??

Thoughts???

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 10:45 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

I guess one easy way to get a zig-zag on flat work is to just use
the "Y" axis pattern follower. Just sayin'

Mike OK

On 3/21/2021 10:27 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
wrote:

Hey Mac.
Depending on your intent. a Zig Zag pattern can be made on the
Legacy using the template follower on flat wood. The Wave
attachment is a easy tool to make.

IF anyone wants to make there own, its easy to do, and a lot of
fun to use. I can give a step by step directions on how I made
what I did.
You can see by looking in our archives, all three Wave
attachments (Bill's, Tim's and mine) look different, but all work
on the same concepts, There is no reason anyone can't make there
own, Who knows perhaps you will find a better way of getting the
job done.
There is ALWAYS more than one way to get any job done.
I wish you luck.
If you want help, I can do that too. ;-)

C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021, 08:40:18 PM EDT,
<mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:

Neat idea Tim get inventing

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>

<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of
*Tim Ziegler
*Sent:* Monday, 22 March 2021 9:14 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave works on
revolving the spindle being turned partially.

But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it come to
my head but we need to had something similar that

would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle
turning if it's going to be square. Or are you thinking round?

Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to moving
the router carriage???

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill,
Curtis, and others?),

The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for
sharing them.

Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" -
so here goes!:

I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines
(devices?) would perform on boards that are mounted to the
various sizes of Pilaster "dogs(?)".

Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine
- nor Pilaster Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your
consideration.

I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime
in the next 3 to 6 months. If a Group Member has a set they
don't need/want/ or that's extra - let me know. We should be
able to work something out instead of me ordering from Legacy.

Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.

I hope to see some really nice results.

Mac

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Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

2021-03-21 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

I guess one easy way to get a zig-zag on flat work is to just use the
"Y" axis pattern follower. Just sayin'

Mike OK

On 3/21/2021 10:27 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hey Mac.
Depending on your intent. a Zig Zag pattern can be made on the Legacy
using the template follower on flat wood. The Wave attachment is a
easy tool to make.

IF anyone wants to make there own, its easy to do, and a lot of fun to
use. I can give a step by step directions on how I made what I did.
You can see by looking in our archives, all three Wave attachments
(Bill's, Tim's and mine) look different, but all work on the same
concepts, There is no reason anyone can't make there own, Who knows
perhaps you will find a better way of getting the job done.

There is ALWAYS more than one way to get any job done.
I wish you luck.
If you want help, I can do that too. ;-)

C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021, 08:40:18 PM EDT,
wrote:

Neat idea Tim get inventing

Bill

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler

*Sent:* Monday, 22 March 2021 9:14 AM
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave works on
revolving the spindle being turned partially.

But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it come to my
head but we need to had something similar that

would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle turning if
it's going to be square. Or are you thinking round?

Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to moving the
router carriage???

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue > wrote:

To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill, Curtis,
and others?),

The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for
sharing them.

Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" - so
here goes!:

I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines (devices?)
would perform on boards that are mounted to the various sizes of
Pilaster "dogs(?)".

Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine - nor
Pilaster Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your consideration.

I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime in the
next 3 to 6 months. If a Group Member has a set they don't
need/want/ or that's extra - let me know. We should be able to
work something out instead of me ordering from Legacy.

Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.

I hope to see some really nice results.

Mac

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Re: Today's barley project re-post

2021-03-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)


That is why I was posting, to draw in the newBees or un-muffle the stalkers

Mike OK

On 3/14/2021 9:29 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:
Absolutely great information and we have some brand new Craftsman with 
us that are learning the LOM

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 12:10 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:


I was going through some old emails and came across this one.  I
figured I would bring it back to the front for the groups sake and
to start talk about different techniques I used.

~~

Hello everyone.  I decided to take some pictures today as I
worked.  Just to give you an idea of the process I use on a daily
basis to make a living. The two most important tools in my shop
are the ShopSmith with a duplicator as well as the old WoodChuck
AKA Legacy's Grand Pa.




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Re: Today's barley project re-post

2021-03-14 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Yes it is a 2" single start. This is a good example of how a lathe as
well as a Legacy marry great together for results that will make you
stand out in the market.

Mike OK

On 3/14/2021 5:15 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Awesome Work Mike.
What is the rope/barley twist cut?
I would guess its a 1 1/2" or a 2" router bit and a single start 4" pitch?

I very much like the use of all the machines to get this job done.

Thank you .

C.A.G.

On Sunday, March 14, 2021, 01:10:46 PM EDT, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
wrote:

I was going through some old emails and came across this one. I
figured I would bring it back to the front for the groups sake and to
start talk about different techniques I used.

Hello everyone. I decided to take some pictures today as I worked.
Just to give you an idea of the process I use on a daily basis to make
a living. The two most important tools in my shop are the ShopSmith
with a duplicator as well as the old WoodChuck AKA Legacy's Grand Pa.

Here is a picture of the pattern the customer gave me.

And the wood the Customer supplied 4.75 X 22 maple

I glued the pattern with spray glue onto a masonite board

Then did a rough cutout for the Radial Lathe to cut out

I got it mounted and started the saw. You can see the template and
follower on the left under the spring clamp

This is the complete rough out with the saw

I cut the template to the final profile with a scroll saw

Next it was time for the Shopsmith you can see

This is what it looked like turned. There will be a dowel cut on the
right and the left side will be the barley

This is the 2" barley on a 2" one start pitch. Notice the untouched
barrel to the right? It will be square next.

Here you will see the cut and uncut square section. I locked the
shaft and used the drive dog to keep my 90º rotation true

Then I milled the dowel with a rabbiting bit.

Here are all 4 of them completed

I charged $100 a piece for these. Just in case you all were wondering.

Mike

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Re:

2021-03-05 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

If they don't make the gears now, they may if there is a large enough
order. Who else needs gears? I know Tim Krause has an in with gears as
well.

Mike OK

On 3/5/2021 12:07 AM, Brett Giger wrote:

Thank you ,i will give them a call

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021, 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> wrote:

Hello Brett

As far as I know, Legacy still sells the gear sets. Call Legacy
and ask for Cindy. She will help you out.
If you run into any problems, Please let us know? When there is a
will, there is always a way. Check Legacy first. then, AND if ? We
may be able to do something else.

C.A.G.

On Friday, March 5, 2021, 12:02:09 AM EST, Brett Giger
mailto:brettgiger1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Did you guys say its possible to get gears from legacy?i need more
pitch than the gears i have !
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Re: Same old bone, Different cut

2021-01-10 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Man! That stuck bolt is getting all the attention! Looking good for
sure.Keep up the good work!

Mike OK

On 1/10/2021 7:32 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone

After a lot soul searching I decide to go for it. I said to my self,
What's the worst that could happen? (don't answer that question,
Please. ) ;-) "Any How", this is what I did.

I uses a 3" pitch, (gear setting). Using a 1/16" roping bit.
There are Three starts per side, and then I reversed the gearing,
doing the hole thing again ,in the opposite direction, To make the
diamond cut.

I'm pretty happy with it now.

If anyone has any questions or comments, Please let me know.

Have a good night everyone.
C.A.G.
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Re: Happy New Year good by 2020

2021-01-01 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

True story, I walked by a young high school girl the other day. She was
wearing a mask and I said on my way by. "I sure have saved a lot of
money on lipstick" She said, "Yeah me too!" Then it hit her, she was
talking to an old dude with a beard. Pam told me to stop messing with
her! I just laughed! Can't take me anywhere!

Here is to a new year filled with many opportunities to mess with as
many people as one can, each and every day. Nah noo Nah noo!

Mike OK

PS and may God have mercy on our souls!

On 1/1/2021 9:04 AM, Michael Kratky wrote:

Happy New Year good riddance to 2020;

1. The dumbest thing I ever bought was a 2020 planner.

2. I was so bored I called Jake from State Farm just to talk to
someone. He asked me what I was wearing.

3. 2019: Stay away from negative people. 2020: Stay away from positive
people.

4. The world has turned upside down. Old folks are sneaking out of the
house & their kids are yelling at them to stay indoors!

5. This morning I saw a neighbor talking to her dog. It was obvious
she thought her dog understood her. I came into my house & told my
cat. We laughed a lot.

6. Every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit.
Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.

7. Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just keep
washing our hands?

8. This virus has done what no woman has been able to do. Cancel
sports, shut down all bars & keep men at home!

9. I never thought the comment, “I wouldn’t touch him/her with a
6-foot pole” would become a national policy, but here we are!

10. I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator.

11. I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip to the Backyard.
I’m getting tired of the Living Room.

12. Never in a million years could I have imagined I would go up to a
bank teller wearing a mask & ask for money.

*From:*legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of
*Richard Ellis

*Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2021 5:00 AM
*To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
*Subject:* New Year

A safe and prosperous 2021 to all the members of this group

From Richard in the U K

Re: Bone turning 101.

2021-01-01 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Does anyone know if there is anything that will make bone rubbery?  I 
know an eggshell gets rubbery in vinegar. Then each slab could be 
pressed flat and cured then worked. Merry New Years


Mike OK

On 1/1/2021 5:43 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Yes Sir all you can do. looking forward to more.
Happy New Year Curt.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills > wrote:


Yes I do. but I found that there is a small problem using this
method. Bone is very hard, the bandsaw blade once it gets dull
tends to wander.  by hand I can adjust to the wander, the fence
cannot do that, NOW I know that I can adjust for the wander... but
it more work for me to adjust... I dont think it will be any easer
for me ...

I know that there are other ways to get the job done, I just need
to figure what way works best for me.  I will try the fence again.
I was thinking of trying an jig saw mounted under a board. This
method may let me cut the bone on only one side, so I could
quarter it as Mac. suggested. Perhaps just using the "OLD School"
approach and just use a hand saw might be just as easy?

Its a  trial and error process. I will keep trying. and let you
know what I find out.

Have a good night.

Happy New Year!

C.A.G.

On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 09:45:28 AM EST, Tim Ziegler
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Curtis do you have a band saw w/fence?
Push sticks and a good band saw can split a lot of material safely.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 8:41 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Good morning everyone.

Mac. You are right If I cut into smaller segments It would
give me less waist. but the question is how to do that?
cutting the bone in half is pretty easy to do with the band
saw. how would you cut a round bone into thirds safely ?
I did not go into the cutting much, but for smaller bones I
hot melt glue into a piece of wood so I do not have to get my
figures close to the sawblade.  I guess if I hot melt the bone
onto a block of wood, if made small enough I could cut on the
edges (cutting into the center, as if it was standing in the
edge.)  I think I will try that, the next time.
Thanks for the suggestion, Mac

Have a good day.

see you all latter.

C.A.G.
On Thursday, December 31, 2020, 01:57:10 AM EST, M.W.Foscue
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Curtis,
EXCELLENT Video!  Great close-ups when needed and you spoke
very clearly and at a good pace. Very easy to understand!
You answered all the questions I asked earlier - showing them
in the video. This made it all "come together" and I
completely understand your process.
Regarding getting more "disks" out of your pieces of bone. 
Have you given thought to cutting the sections of bone into
thirds or quarters - vs cutting the bone in half lengthwise?
That could give you more efficient use of the material.
Happy New Year.
Mac


-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
Sent: Dec 30, 2020 10:28 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills
Subject: Bone turning 101.

Hello Everyone.
Today I was able to make another video for you all.  Bill
posted it to his You-tube page for me. (so we could Show
the group the video.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ7gn-shVYA&feature=youtu.be



This is just an over view. I would like to do another
video latter. but I thought this one would be good enough
to start with. I tried to cover most of the points, on how
I work with bone.

Please let me know what you think?

I am finding bone to be a fun product to work with.
I hope other with in our group will as well, in the future.

C.A.G.

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Re: Thread cutting router bit

2020-12-28 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Attach the router to the carriage and it will be set on the gear pitch
of your choice.

On 12/28/2020 11:37 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

thanks Mike

How is it fed then? to keep the bit on track?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

Here is a video from Bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1RPgkrqiBk
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1RPgkrqiBk>

On 12/28/2020 10:35 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good to know. Now how do you cut inside Threads Mike or Mac?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:29 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

This bit is made to be used horizontally. it can be used on
the nut as well as the outer thread. If you have a long
bolt, you will need to cut it from the top using a regular V
bit of the same pitch.

On 12/28/2020 10:23 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Mac,

Would it be for the nut on the inside thread?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:12 AM M.W.Foscue
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Saw this router bit on eBay - and can't wrap my mind
around how you would use it to make threaded wood pieces
- using the manual LOM like most of us have. Seems like
it's made to only use on a CNC Legacy.
So, in case some of you have the CNC Legacy and are
thinking of making threaded dowels/screws - this might
be what you are looking for.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=true
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=true>

Mac

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Re: Thread cutting router bit

2020-12-28 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Here is a video from Bill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1RPgkrqiBk

On 12/28/2020 10:35 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Good to know. Now how do you cut inside Threads Mike or Mac?

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:29 AM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
mailto:legacym...@iglide.net>> wrote:

This bit is made to be used horizontally. it can be used on the
nut as well as the outer thread. If you have a long bolt, you
will need to cut it from the top using a regular V bit of the same
pitch.

On 12/28/2020 10:23 AM, Tim Ziegler wrote:

Hey Mac,

Would it be for the nut on the inside thread?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:12 AM M.W.Foscue
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Saw this router bit on eBay - and can't wrap my mind around
how you would use it to make threaded wood pieces - using the
manual LOM like most of us have. Seems like it's made to
only use on a CNC Legacy.
So, in case some of you have the CNC Legacy and are thinking
of making threaded dowels/screws - this might be what you
are looking for.