RE: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Groovy Wood LLC
The first one gave me your photos as an attachment in my email. I get each
individual email sent to my box, I have not checked the actual site.

 

Thanks

Greg Knudtson

Http:// http://groovywood.intuitwebsites.com/ Groovy Wood LLC.com

 

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4th try at placing photos. Sorry for cluttering the group if it doesn't
work. 

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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Bill Bulkeley
don't worry about what you call cluttering the group it doesn't matter how many 
attempts as long as it gets posted
great shelving with the threads I like it. my guess is Tim will soon post a 
tutorial on how to successfully post pictures
to remind us all how its done I just hit reply to the email when it arrives and 
attach them that way.
at the moment the finest thread a can do on the legacy is 2 threads per inch. 
if I can figure out a way of doing finer I will post it for you
how do you do the threads now?
Bill
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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Chainlink
What I find the most time consuming with the threaded rod is running
it through the Beall wood threader router jig by hand turning. It's
around 30 minutes per 4 foot section to thread by hand; if the
tolerance is a little tight on the rod, then it turns into a forearm
endurance exercise. I'd love to have 20 or so pre-threaded rods ready
to go when I get inspired, but I'm just hate doing it after the 3rd or
4th one. That's one of those things I'd like to automate a bit.

On Jul 4, 9:12 am, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 don't worry about what you call cluttering the group it doesn't matter how 
 many attempts as long as it gets posted
 great shelving with the threads I like it. my guess is Tim will soon post a 
 tutorial on how to successfully post pictures
 to remind us all how its done I just hit reply to the email when it arrives 
 and attach them that way.
 at the moment the finest thread a can do on the legacy is 2 threads per inch. 
 if I can figure out a way of doing finer I will post it for you
 how do you do the threads now?
 Bill







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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Tim Krause
Hi Dustin,

I wrote a tutorial a while ago on how to post images to the group.  It should 
have been listed as the first message but Google gremlins changed the setting.  
  http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/msg/b1f2641a37748b45  
Feedback is always welcomed on anything that I write as an official tutorial. 
Correction, better wording, questions just let me know. 

Don't worry about the clutter.   Don't give up because you cant post an image 
to the group.  When you get tired if trying send the pictures to me and I will 
size, and post them.  Even the sizing is not important.   For those not seeing 
the photos and you have Windows Live email client, I wrote a note about that as 
well.  It's on the public Web site.  
http://ornamentalmills.com/tips/Windows_Live_Mail/index.html

I do prefer that new topics are started when you post a project.  It make it 
easier to search for at a later date.  There's some gold posted under the 
strangest topics and ironically, Google search does not work well.

-Tim

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  From: Bill Bulkeley 
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  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:12 AM
  Subject: Re: All New Members


  don't worry about what you call cluttering the group it doesn't matter how 
many attempts as long as it gets posted
  great shelving with the threads I like it. my guess is Tim will soon post a 
tutorial on how to successfully post pictures
  to remind us all how its done I just hit reply to the email when it arrives 
and attach them that way.
  at the moment the finest thread a can do on the legacy is 2 threads per inch. 
if I can figure out a way of doing finer I will post it for you
  how do you do the threads now?
  Bill
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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
How about making a carriage on wheels that will fit the Legacy.  Have 
the jig, the router and carriage all move as one.  Now install the dowel 
between centers and get it to start turning.  With a slight pressure it 
will catch and start the threads.  The guides in the jig will allow for 
movement/advancement down the rod.  The only other two things I can 
think of is a limit switch if motorized and a pulley at the end of the 
rail and a rope for advancement help so the threads are not doing all 
the work.


Mike

On 7/4/2011 10:12 AM, Tim Krause wrote:

Hi Dustin,

I got all excited and thought those where done on the Legacy.   For an
easier time with the Beall threading jig, my thoughts would be save your arm
and make a tenon on the end of the dowel that will fit a cordless drill and
make all you want with little effort.  This is assuming your using the one
that uses the trim router and feeding the dowel in the hole.  Thanks for
posting the project, I bet it's a real conversation piece.

-Tim

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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: All New Members


What I find the most time consuming with the threaded rod is running
it through the Beall wood threader router jig by hand turning. It's
around 30 minutes per 4 foot section to thread by hand; if the
tolerance is a little tight on the rod, then it turns into a forearm
endurance exercise. I'd love to have 20 or so pre-threaded rods ready
to go when I get inspired, but I'm just hate doing it after the 3rd or
4th one. That's one of those things I'd like to automate a bit.

On Jul 4, 9:12 am, Bill Bulkeleybulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:

don't worry about what you call cluttering the group it doesn't matter how

many attempts as long as it gets posted

great shelving with the threads I like it. my guess is Tim will soon post

a tutorial on how to successfully post pictures

to remind us all how its done I just hit reply to the email when it

arrives and attach them that way.

at the moment the finest thread a can do on the legacy is 2 threads per

inch. if I can figure out a way of doing finer I will post it for you

how do you do the threads now?
Bill







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4th try at placing photos. Sorry for cluttering the group if it doesn't

work.

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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Tim Krause
It's great to see you Carl, and I consider you a seasoned veteran of this 
group.  You're no longer the new guy since you have posted messages in the past 
and shown some interesting projects.  I've been a self supporting artist for 
more years than not, and I can tell you the craft shows are a tough gig to earn 
a living.  Especially right now with the economy that we are in.  Do you have 
any photos of your booth setup?  I would be curious to hear about your current 
product line up and price point.  It's a little beyond our scope, but have you 
considered Google Adwords?  

What's wrong with box makers?  Are you talking about 6 side square ones or 
turned ones?  Is that what's popular in your neck of the woods? 

I also think you have a good point about how common the barley twist and ropes 
are to us.  I grew tired of seeing them a long time ago which is probably why I 
do mostly indexed work.  Your comments also remind me Legacy was going to make 
a tutorial that talked about money making items for quick sale.  It would be a 
great new topic that could be opened up for those trying to earn a living using 
the equipment.  This group has several entrepreneurs that would benefit from 
this topic. 

-Tim



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  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:09 AM
  Subject: Re: All New Members


  Tim et al,  Just a quick reply on your note on posting and asking questions. 
I work a rather full time job that takes almost 60 hours a week, I build Huge 
industrial air compressors for FS Elliot and have been a Factory technician for 
Atlas Copco in the past. I am in the process of doing a startup of my own 
woodworking business on the side at this time. While I have not posted for a 
while I am very faithful at reading the posts, and am constantly amazed at the 
items this group makes. While I am on the low end with only a 900 I am working 
very diligently to incorporate what I can do on it into my woodworking to set 
myself apart from the box makers out there in the Pittsburgh PA area. For 
anyone contemplating going into this full time let me tell you that getting 
exposure is a real hurdle to overcome. I am looking at going into the Custom 
Made Site as a paying member to get my items to come up when searching. Even 
the juried shows here in the area are no cheap way to go as I have been trying 
to do them now for a year and have only broken even.  that all being said the 
Legacy gives me a heads up over others due to the different way I can do 
things. We may not realize the barley twists and the rope twists are that 
unique as we see this all the time and do them but for the average person it is 
what sets us apart. 

  I know that I appreciate the group and everyting that you put into it.  

  In His Service 


  Carl Stigers 

  WWW.treetothee.com 


  On 07/03/11, Tim Krauseartmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
  Hello All New Members, 

  I'm curious about the new people in this group that we have not heard from.  
Is there a technology barrier preventing people from posting questions to this 
group?   I'm looking at a list of 42 members that have never posted a message 
in two years.   I would like to hear from those members.  If there is a need 
not being met feel free to provide some feedback here or you can reach me 
directly at artmarb...@comcast.net  if you want to keep your comments private.  

  Keep in mind, this group is private and only fellow members can see your 
messages.  All of the members for the last two years have been screened before 
gaining access to the group by myself or Curt.  This creates a safe environment 
for people to post questions and show projects.  If you really feel embarrassed 
to ask what might seem to be a simple question, send a note to me privately and 
I will pass on the question to the group and never share your name.  I've done 
this for several members and the group benefited from the input.  If you feel 
your English skills are not good enough to ask a question, send me a note and I 
will clean it up and post it to the group.  Again no one needs to know your 
name if that's the only issue preventing you from sharing.  

  I'm looking forward to hearing some input on this issue.  

  -Tim




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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Okla Mike (Liltwisted)

Tim,
I think he wants a one start .20 pitch on a 1.5 dowel.  I think this is 
quite possible with a reversing gear modification.  If the size of the 
gears were offset one gear at 24 teeth and the other gear at 120 1:5 
would be accomplished.  Then a 1 inch standard gear pitch would become a 
.20 and achieve the thread Dustin would need.  What do you think?


Mike

On 7/4/2011 10:24 AM, Tim Krause wrote:

I think the ideas your thinking about (or anyone for that matter) are a
great topic to bring up.  Honestly it's been a while since I've used my
equipment but that has not stopped me from thinking about things that can be
done.

You want to create a one and a half inch five start thread right?  I hate to
disagree with Bill, but I do see the 1-1/2 -5 thread possible currently on
the legacy.  Using the .25 reduction gear set and the F gear will give you
the 1-1/2 pitch.  The 5 start you have to be clever and use the crank
handle method to rotate the stock to 5 different starts or 72º.  A while

back I posted a message regarding a new way to do spirals and that technique
would apply.

I know there are several members wanting to upgrade their manual equipment

to cnc.  If you do this, please feel free to share.

-Tim



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To: Legacy Ornamental Millslegacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: All New Members



Tim,

I wanted to chime in regarding not posting often. The only
disappointment that I have regarding the group is the difficulty
posting pictures, which has everything to do with google and nothing
to do with the talented members of this group. This certainly doesn't
keep me from posting when I have a question though.

The daily email from the group that I get in my inbox keeps me
informed on current topics, so I often feel caught up with the latest
happenings on the group. A lot of my lack of posting mirrors my actual
time woodworking, which is very infrequent anymore except for
commissioned projects or a special fun project I've been thinking
about. You're also correct in that I'm one of those second hand owners
of a legacy (1200).

As far as my interests go in the group, every post made here is
meaningful to me. My interests are:

1. Learning techniques
2. Seeing others' projects
3. Modifying the Legacy
4. CNC, or CNC-ifying the Legacy

Numbers 3 and 4 are the big directions that I want to head. I've got a
half built 3-axis CNC machine in my garage that I worked on as a
backup to my Carvewright when it breaks down during an important
project. I'm really interested in automating the Legacy and trying to
do my own Performance package CNC conversion to it with my existing
equipment. Other baby steps that I'd like to achieve would be
automating the x-axis to speed up making dowels (I thread 1 1/2
dowels for erector set type furniture projects). I also have not
researched this, but I'd like to be able to cut an automated 1 1/2-5
thread on the legacy. I have no idea if the gears support that, and I
suspect that they do not at this time and I'll have to wait for CNC
conversion.

Dustin

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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread toomanyprojects
Well, I can say, at least for myself, I find the group interesting,
but have lots of other things I do as a hobby.
I did build a legacy like mill, with 20 inches between the rails, but
haven't finished the indexing feature yet. I am a little reluctant to
post pics until everything is all worked out There was a guy a while
ago, asking about doing the same thing, and the group seemed a little
perhaps, aggressive about making is own. I wanted to build my own
because I wanted different specs, and the fun of making my own. There
is little hesitation to modify a machine that didn't cost much, that
you built yourself.
Anyway, I enjoy the group. Lack of posting is not the same as
disinterest.
Just my $.02
 have a happy 4th,
Ken

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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Chainlink
Thanks for the tenon tip; I will absolutely try that the next time.
Consistent slow feed rate that doesn't wobble gets the best results
with the Beall jig. I made a couple wooden stools with threaded height
adjustments and I'm so very pleased with the threaded rod strength.

On Jul 4, 11:12 am, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
 Hi Dustin,

 I got all excited and thought those where done on the Legacy.   For an
 easier time with the Beall threading jig, my thoughts would be save your arm
 and make a tenon on the end of the dowel that will fit a cordless drill and
 make all you want with little effort.  This is assuming your using the one
 that uses the trim router and feeding the dowel in the hole.  Thanks for
 posting the project, I bet it's a real conversation piece.

 -Tim







 - Original Message -
 From: Chainlink dustinyo...@hotmail.com
 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 6:41 AM
 Subject: Re: All New Members

 What I find the most time consuming with the threaded rod is running
 it through the Beall wood threader router jig by hand turning. It's
 around 30 minutes per 4 foot section to thread by hand; if the
 tolerance is a little tight on the rod, then it turns into a forearm
 endurance exercise. I'd love to have 20 or so pre-threaded rods ready
 to go when I get inspired, but I'm just hate doing it after the 3rd or
 4th one. That's one of those things I'd like to automate a bit.

 On Jul 4, 9:12 am, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
  don't worry about what you call cluttering the group it doesn't matter how
 many attempts as long as it gets posted
  great shelving with the threads I like it. my guess is Tim will soon post
 a tutorial on how to successfully post pictures
  to remind us all how its done I just hit reply to the email when it
 arrives and attach them that way.
  at the moment the finest thread a can do on the legacy is 2 threads per
 inch. if I can figure out a way of doing finer I will post it for you
  how do you do the threads now?
  Bill

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  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 10:38 PM
  Subject: All New Members

  4th try at placing photos. Sorry for cluttering the group if it doesn't
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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Bill Bulkeley
Hi Ken I don't know about any one else but I would love to see pictures of a 
home made mill and projects from it
as you can see from other posts here the basic legacy mill is just the start 
then we add heaps of modifications.
when building your own you could incorporate them all in the one machine and 
perhaps come up with a superior
mill than the legacy one who knows,.and anything you can produce with you 
machine that we cant will certainly get all our brains working overtime

lololol

Bill


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Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: All New Members



Well, I can say, at least for myself, I find the group interesting,
but have lots of other things I do as a hobby.
I did build a legacy like mill, with 20 inches between the rails, but
haven't finished the indexing feature yet. I am a little reluctant to
post pics until everything is all worked out There was a guy a while
ago, asking about doing the same thing, and the group seemed a little
perhaps, aggressive about making is own. I wanted to build my own
because I wanted different specs, and the fun of making my own. There
is little hesitation to modify a machine that didn't cost much, that
you built yourself.
Anyway, I enjoy the group. Lack of posting is not the same as
disinterest.
Just my $.02
have a happy 4th,
Ken

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Re: All New Members

2011-07-04 Thread Tim Krause
Hi Ken I think the protective/aggressive side came out in a few members if I
recall the thread you are talking about.  I think certain members of the
group object to people asking for exact plans of the Legacy equipment so
they can make a copy.   That's different from a question where someone is
asking if having an index system that is adjustable would be useful.   One's
blatant  thievery and the other is asking for opinions of how to make a
machine better.  Hopefully the question is followed up with details of what
was made from the results of the question so other can duplicate the effort.
You could say one is a selfish question and the other benefits the group.
I would love to see your machine.  I have no objection to you posting it if
you feel like sharing.  I've learned from posting ideas that people ask
questions or suggest features that I never thought about when I built the
thing.

Thanks for your input, it's really appreciated.

-Tim


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: All New Members


 Hi Ken I don't know about any one else but I would love to see pictures of
a
 home made mill and projects from it
 as you can see from other posts here the basic legacy mill is just the
start
 then we add heaps of modifications.
 when building your own you could incorporate them all in the one machine
and
 perhaps come up with a superior
 mill than the legacy one who knows,.and anything you can produce with you
 machine that we cant will certainly get all our brains working overtime
 lololol

 Bill


 - Original Message - 
 From: toomanyprojects design...@sbcglobal.net
 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:04 AM
 Subject: Re: All New Members


  Well, I can say, at least for myself, I find the group interesting,
  but have lots of other things I do as a hobby.
  I did build a legacy like mill, with 20 inches between the rails, but
  haven't finished the indexing feature yet. I am a little reluctant to
  post pics until everything is all worked out There was a guy a while
  ago, asking about doing the same thing, and the group seemed a little
  perhaps, aggressive about making is own. I wanted to build my own
  because I wanted different specs, and the fun of making my own. There
  is little hesitation to modify a machine that didn't cost much, that
  you built yourself.
  Anyway, I enjoy the group. Lack of posting is not the same as
  disinterest.
  Just my $.02
  have a happy 4th,
  Ken
 
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Re: All New Members

2011-07-03 Thread Jeff Becker
I will be the first to admit I do not post in this group very often at all, but 
the only reason for that is I do still have 2 of the manual mills, but I also 
have a CNC, and I find myself using the CNC more than the 900, for several 
reasons, I guess the first is I can see a picture of what I am making before a 
bit hits the wood, I can walk away and sometimes even go to work while the 
machine is running. I do still use the Manuel mills but more time is dedicated 
to the CNC. 


As far as others not posting in the group, I wonder how many have joined this 
group just to hear what people thought of the machine before buying one, and I 
know we have all seen machines sold that were never even assembled. This group 
is filled with alot of people that have taken this machine to limits I would 
have never considered, I have always wondered if people get intimidated. Me 
personally I have always felt the only stupid question is the one you decided 
not to ask. An I have never seen anyone in this group talk down to people for 
asking questions 

- Original Message -
From: Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 3:46:49 PM 
Subject: All New Members 


Hello All New Members, 

I'm curious about the new people in this group that we have not heard from. Is 
there a technology barrier preventing people from posting questions to this 
group? I'm looking at a list of 42 members that have never posted a message in 
two years. I would like to hear from those members. If there is a need not 
being met feel free to provide some feedback here or you can reach me directly 
at artmarb...@comcast.net if you want to keep your comments private. 

Keep in mind, this group is private and only fellow members can see your 
messages. All of the members for the last two years have been screened before 
gaining access to the group by myself or Curt. This creates a safe environment 
for people to post questions and show projects. If you really feel embarrassed 
to ask what might seem to be a simple question, send a note to me privately and 
I will pass on the question to the group and never share your name. I've done 
this for several members and the group benefited from the input. If you feel 
your English skills are not good enough to ask a question, send me a note and I 
will clean it up and post it to the group. Again no one needs to know your name 
if that's the only issue preventing you from sharing. 

I'm looking forward to hearing some input on this issue. 

-Tim 




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Re: All New Members

2011-07-03 Thread Tim Krause
Hi Jeff, 

As a new member I've appreciated the few notes you have posted.  Most members 
that are interested in joining this group own at least one of Legacy's 
machines.  Very few over the last two years have signed up thinking about 
buying one.  I would have to say the majority of recent new members have bought 
the equipment second hand and are just learning to use the machine.  That's one 
reason I'm puzzled by the lack of questions. 

Thanks for the input,

-Tim



- Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Becker 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:03 PM
  Subject: Re: All New Members


  I will be the first to admit I do not post in this group very often at all, 
but the only reason for that is I do still have 2 of the manual mills, but I 
also have a CNC, and I find myself using the CNC more than the 900, for several 
reasons, I guess the first is I can see a picture of what I am making before a 
bit hits the wood, I can walk away and sometimes even go to work while the 
machine is running. I do still use the Manuel mills but more time is dedicated 
to the CNC.


  As far as others not posting in the group, I wonder how many have joined this 
group just to hear what people thought of the machine before buying one, and I 
know we have all seen machines sold that were never even assembled.  This group 
is filled with alot of people that have taken this machine to limits I would 
have never considered, I have always wondered if people get intimidated.  Me 
personally I have always felt the only stupid question is the one you decided 
not to ask.  An I have never seen anyone in this group talk down to people for 
asking questions 


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