Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

I think they all work great and are far better then most of us got.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 12:50 AM  wrote:

> Yes joes tilting z axis sure was something else much better than my humble
> tilting Z axises
>
> https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/tilting-z-axis/index.html
>
>
>
> https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/Candlestick/index.html
>
> and the latest one
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY97AGLe1cA&t=3s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> wm.o.he...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2023 3:28 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Joe B. Yes, more pictures, please. IS that a 3 in. or a 4 in. tilting
> rotary table?
>
>
>
> Bill H
>
> Baltimore
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the
> router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to
> do sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from
> Grizzly) is on my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work...
> it's a game changer, in my opinion... more photos available if anyone
> likes... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This seems relevant
> <https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
> remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely
> pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ
> fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes
> and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to
> have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
>
> DanK
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
> [image: Inline image]
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
> curt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
> note.)[image:
> Inline image]
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
>
>
> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
>
> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away
> form the topic.
>
> I have no idea why?
>
> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a
> pain, outside the norm.
>
> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy
> into a much better machine.
>
> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Tim
>
> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you
> cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

thanks for sharing that too Curt.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:53 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey there.
>
> Joe has his Own Legacy Ornamental mills group on Facebook.
> https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=legacy%20ornamental%20mill
>
> Much of Joe's stuff can be found here in our archives, or on the FB page.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:27:58 PM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
> Joe B. Yes, more pictures, please. IS that a 3 in. or a 4 in. tilting
> rotary table?
>
>
>
> Bill H
>
> Baltimore
>
>
>
> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the
> router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to
> do sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from
> Grizzly) is on my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work...
> it's a game changer, in my opinion... more photos available if anyone
> likes... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This seems relevant
> <https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
> remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely
> pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ
> fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes
> and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to
> have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
>
> DanK
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
> [image: Inline image]
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
> curt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
> note.)[image:
> Inline image]
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
>
>
> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
>
> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away
> form the topic.
>
> I have no idea why?
>
> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a
> pain, outside the norm.
>
> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy
> into a much better machine.
>
> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Tim
>
> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you
> cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find some

RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Yes joes tilting z axis sure was something else much better than my humble 
tilting Z axises   

https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/tilting-z-axis/index.html

 

https://ornamentalmills.com/Bill_Bulkeley/Candlestick/index.html

and the latest one 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY97AGLe1cA 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY97AGLe1cA&t=3s&ab_channel=aussiman77181> 
&t=3s&ab_channel=aussiman77181

 

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of wm.o.he...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 3:28 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Joe B. Yes, more pictures, please. IS that a 3 in. or a 4 in. tilting rotary 
table?

 

Bill H

Baltimore

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 10:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the router... 
attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to do sandpaper 
touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from Grizzly) is on my Legacy 
and was a big improvement in our milling work... it's a game changer, in my 
opinion... more photos available if anyone likes... Joe B.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  wrote:

This seems relevant  
<https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>
 to remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ fixture.  
I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes and have 
trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to have close up 
pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.

DanK

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1712b0f98c5b7/1702300843410blob.jpg?part=0.1&view=1>
 
C.A.G.

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your note.)  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1712b0f98c5b7/1702300168485blob.jpg?part=0.2&view=1>
 

C.A.G.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Good morning everyone.

 

Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.

Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form 
the topic.

I have no idea why?

It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. 

But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy into 
a much better machine. 

Like the EVO. but much cheaper.

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  
mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hey there.
Joe has his Own Legacy Ornamental mills group on Facebook. 
https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=legacy%20ornamental%20mill  

Much of Joe's stuff can be found here in our archives, or on the FB page.
C.A.G.
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 11:27:58 PM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 
Joe B. Yes, more pictures, please. IS that a 3 in. or a 4 in. tilting rotary 
table?

  

Bill H

Baltimore

  

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 10:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

  

coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the router... 
attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to do sandpaper 
touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from Grizzly) is on my Legacy 
and was a big improvement in our milling work... it's a game changer, in my 
opinion... more photos available if anyone likes... Joe B.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:


This seems relevant to remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL 
I would definitely pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least 
the YZ fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two 
axes and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.

DanK

  

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:



C.A.G.

  

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George 
 wrote: 

  

  

Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your note.)

C.A.G.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills  wrote: 

  

  

Good morning everyone.

  

Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.

Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form 
the topic.

I have no idea why?

It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. 

But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy into 
a much better machine. 

Like the EVO. but much cheaper.

  

C.A.G.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST,  wrote: 

  

  

Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

 

 

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:


The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: '

RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[wm.o.henry]

Joe B. Yes, more pictures, please. IS that a 3 in. or a 4 in. tilting rotary 
table?

 

Bill H

Baltimore

 

From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 10:55 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the router... 
attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to do sandpaper 
touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from Grizzly) is on my Legacy 
and was a big improvement in our milling work... it's a game changer, in my 
opinion... more photos available if anyone likes... Joe B.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  wrote:

This seems relevant  
<https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>
 to remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ fixture.  
I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes and have 
trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to have close up 
pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.

DanK

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1712b0f98c5b7/1702300843410blob.jpg?part=0.1&view=1>
 
C.A.G.

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George 
mailto:curt@yahoo.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your note.)  
<https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/1712b0f98c5b7/1702300168485blob.jpg?part=0.2&view=1>
 

C.A.G.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
Ornamental Mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Good morning everyone.

 

Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.

Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form 
the topic.

I have no idea why?

It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. 

But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy into 
a much better machine. 

Like the EVO. but much cheaper.

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjz...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  
mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy

RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Isn’t that the truth Dan lol

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 6:42 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Words from the mouths of babes right. They have no clue. :(




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:56 AM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Talk about generation gap...I replicated some metal awning release handles 

from my son's boat.  (For those following, that's been the delay on the ball 

turner-nesting bowl jig). When I sent pictures of the three completed 3 piece 
assemblies

he reported his two boys' response  "He can just do that?"  I almost cried!

DanK

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com 
<mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry, 

but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp 

and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So

it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the smartest!

LOL.

DanK

 

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a place in 
the world yet. 

You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you completed 
that angular table 

so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is never used 
any more ☹ 

I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many thousands of 
dollars and sold world wide

To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing forgotten 
technology lol 😊

Bill 

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all have to 
face it. CNC is the new way to go. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798   shop

320-630-2243   cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact that 
none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it was such 
a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills including the 
EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now its buy second 
hand or make your own .

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Hey Mac.

The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
video was made.

At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 

As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is the 
size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would have 
bought one.

For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.

Sadly I will never know.

But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfo...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac


  _  


-Original Message-
From: mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>
Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegro

RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

I love the idea of linear rail on the mills I want to do it too its just 
finding the time I don’t know why the shy away either 

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 12:03 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Good morning everyone.

 

Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.

Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form 
the topic.

I have no idea why?

It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. 

But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy into 
a much better machine. 

Like the EVO. but much cheaper.

 

C.A.G.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Don’t worry I’m not being hard on myself I love being retired and messing 
around in my shop,  when I was making million dollar projects it came with 
great responsibility and stress now if anything goes wrong a just laugh and say 
oops also I don’t mind leaving all the cnc stuff to the youth

They can have there turn at headaches I will just stay a dinosaur lol 

But I do thank you for your faith in me and my ability’s 

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 10:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a place in 
the world yet. 

You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you completed 
that angular table 

so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is never used 
any more ☹ 

I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many thousands of 
dollars and sold world wide

To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing forgotten 
technology lol 😊

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all have to 
face it. CNC is the new way to go. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact that 
none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it was such 
a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills including the 
EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now its buy second 
hand or make your own .

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Hey Mac.

The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
video was made.

At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 

As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is the 
size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would have 
bought one.

For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.

Sadly I will never know.

But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac


  _  


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From: mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Great to hear from you Joe and thanks for sharing your talents and
ingenuity.
I agree that feature would be great to have.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:54 AM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

> coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the
> router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to
> do sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from
> Grizzly) is on my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work...
> it's a game changer, in my opinion... more photos available if anyone
> likes... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This seems relevant
>> <https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
>> remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely
>> pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ
>> fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes
>> and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to
>> have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
>>> curt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
>>> note.)[image:
>>> Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via
>>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone.
>>>
>>> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
>>> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away
>>> form the topic.
>>> I have no idea why?
>>> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is
>>> a pain, outside the norm.
>>> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the
>>> Legacy into a much better machine.
>>> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure
>>> you cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-22

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Words from the mouths of babes right. They have no clue. :(

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:56 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Talk about generation gap...I replicated some metal awning release handles
> from my son's boat.  (For those following, that's been the delay on the
> ball
> turner-nesting bowl jig). When I sent pictures of the three completed 3
> piece assemblies
> he reported his two boys' response  "He can just do that?"  I almost cried!
> DanK
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry,
>> but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp
>> and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
>> it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the
>> smartest!
>> LOL.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>
>>> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a
>>> place in the world yet.
>>> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you
>>> completed that angular table
>>> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is
>>>> never used any more ☹
>>>>
>>>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many
>>>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>>>
>>>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing
>>>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all
>>>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>
>>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>>
>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>
>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>
>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact
>>>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it
>>>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills
>>>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now
>>>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Mac.
>>>>
>>>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended
>>>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after
>&

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

😆
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:51 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry,
> but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp
> and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
> it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the
> smartest!
> LOL.
> DanK
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a
>> place in the world yet.
>> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you
>> completed that angular table
>> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is
>>> never used any more ☹
>>>
>>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many
>>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>>
>>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing
>>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all
>>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact
>>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it
>>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills
>>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now
>>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Mac.
>>>
>>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended
>>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after
>>> this video was made.
>>>
>>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
>>>
>>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
>>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
>>> have bought one.
>>>
>>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
>>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
>>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
>>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>>
>>> Sadly I will never know.
>>>
>>> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a good night.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Welcome back Joe.
Its always nice to hear for you. Those MOD's that you made a while back were 
Awesome!
Have a good day.
C.A.G.
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:55:27 AM EST, 'finu...@aol.com' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
 coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the 
router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to do 
sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from Grizzly) is on 
my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work... it's a game changer, 
in my opinion... more photos available if anyone likes... Joe B.

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

This seems relevant to remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL 
I would definitely pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least 
the YZ fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two 
axes and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

 
C.A.G.
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George 
 wrote:  
 
  Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your note.)
C.A.G.On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  Good morning everyone.
Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.Every time I suggest to use 
linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form the topic.I have no idea 
why?It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear 
rail makes the Legacy into a much better machine. Like the EVO. but much 
cheaper.
C.A.G.On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, 
 wrote:  
 
 
Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

  

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

  

C.A.G.

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

  

  

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:


The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

  

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

  

DanK

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the 

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

That's a clever addition, Joe.  Have to think on that awhile for my use.
DanK


On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:54:45 AM UTC-5 finu...@aol.com wrote:

> coming in late here... definite useful purpose to tilt and rotate the 
> router... attack angle of a router bit can significantly alter the need to 
> do sandpaper touch-ups... this tilting and rotating mill table(from 
> Grizzly) is on my Legacy and was a big improvement in our milling work... 
> it's a game changer, in my opinion... more photos available if anyone 
> likes... Joe B.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:44:39 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This seems relevant 
>> <https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
>>  
>> remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
>> pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ 
>> fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes 
>> and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
>> have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
>>> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
>>> note.)[image: 
>>> Inline image]
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via 
>>> Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Good morning everyone.
>>>
>>> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
>>> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away 
>>> form the topic.
>>> I have no idea why?
>>> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is 
>>> a pain, outside the norm. 
>>> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the 
>>> Legacy into a much better machine. 
>>> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST,  
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim 
>>>
>>> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure 
>>> you cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
>>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Talk about generation gap...I replicated some metal awning release handles 
from my son's boat.  (For those following, that's been the delay on the 
ball 
turner-nesting bowl jig). When I sent pictures of the three completed 3 
piece assemblies
he reported his two boys' response  "He can just do that?"  I almost cried!
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:51:44 AM UTC-5 cdkr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry, 
> but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp 
> and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
> it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the 
> smartest!
> LOL.
> DanK
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a 
>> place in the world yet. 
>> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you 
>> completed that angular table 
>> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is 
>>> never used any more ☹ 
>>>
>>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many 
>>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>>
>>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing 
>>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>>
>>> Bill 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all 
>>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact 
>>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it 
>>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills 
>>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now 
>>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Mac.
>>>
>>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended 
>>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
>>> this video was made.
>>>
>>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
>>>
>>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
>>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
>>> have bought one.
>>>
>>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
>>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
>>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
>>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>>
>>> Sadly I will never know.
>>>
>&

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

I'm with you, Bill.  CNC and AI may be the cat's meow for industry, 
but not for my hobby shop. My tools are not smart but they are sharp 
and many cannot even be identified accurately by anyone under 50. So
it is true that I'm not the sharpest thing in the shop, but I am the 
smartest!
LOL.
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 6:44:03 AM UTC-5 Tim Ziegler wrote:

> Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a place 
> in the world yet. 
> You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you 
> completed that angular table 
> so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is 
>> never used any more ☹ 
>>
>> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many 
>> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>>
>> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing 
>> forgotten technology lol 😊
>>
>> Bill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all 
>> have to face it. CNC is the new way to go. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>>
>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact 
>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it 
>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills 
>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now 
>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Mac.
>>
>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended 
>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
>> this video was made.
>>
>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
>>
>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
>> have bought one.
>>
>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>
>> Sadly I will never know.
>>
>> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>>
>> Thank you for sharing it.
>>
>> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>>
>

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

This seems relevant 
<https://www.stopfakes.gov/article?id=How-Long-Does-Patent-Trademark-or-Copyright-Protection-Last>to
 
remanufacture discussion.  If I were'nt so close to EOL I would definitely 
pursue making a few with a team.  Might still make at least the YZ 
fixture.  I've pondered the significance of tilting the router on two axes 
and have trouble getting my head around the need.  Would at least like to 
have close up pictures or hopefully drawings of the XZ parts.
DanK

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:21:18 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> [image: Inline image]
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:09:56 AM EST, Curt George <
> curt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Bill.  I saw this and just  had to re-post it to you.(here to your 
> note.)[image: 
> Inline image]
> C.A.G.
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 08:03:35 AM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
> Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.
> Every time I suggest to use linear rail on there Legacy, people run away 
> form the topic.
> I have no idea why?
> It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
> pain, outside the norm. 
> But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear rail makes the Legacy 
> into a much better machine. 
> Like the EVO. but much cheaper.
>
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST,  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Tim 
>
> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you 
> cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch 
> that could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  
> The rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A 
> set of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  
> The copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?
>
>  
>
> I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
> acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
> being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
> because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
> Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny 
> gears. 
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
> wrote:
>
> Anything is possible 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Good morning everyone.
Bill. there is no Copywrite in MOD what you own.Every time I suggest to use 
linear rail on there Legacy, people run away form the topic.I have no idea 
why?It honestly is no harder then changing the tires on your car.  Yes it is a 
pain, outside the norm. But winter is coming and you need new tires!  Linear 
rail makes the Legacy into a much better machine. Like the EVO. but much 
cheaper.
C.A.G.On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:08:02 PM EST, 
 wrote:  
 
 
Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

  

Bill

  

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

  

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:


Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

  

C.A.G.

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote: 

  

  

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

  

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

  

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

  

  

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:


The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

  

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

  

DanK

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Don't be so hard on yourself my friend. We all have self worth and a place
in the world yet.
You still build some pretty cool stuff and was not that long ago you
completed that angular table
so yeah. I think very highly of you and your knowledge.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:54 PM  wrote:

> Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is never
> used any more ☹
>
> I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many
> thousands of dollars and sold world wide
>
> To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing
> forgotten technology lol 😊
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all have
> to face it. CNC is the new way to go.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:
>
> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact
> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it
> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills
> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now
> its buy second hand or make your own .
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Hey Mac.
>
> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up
> dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this
> video was made.
>
> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
>
> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
> have bought one.
>
> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>
> Sadly I will never know.
>
> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Curtis,
>
> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>
> Thank you for sharing it.
>
> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Me too Tim I’m not going anywhere near copyright talk

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 2:36 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

Tim 

copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you cant 
copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com>  
mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Yes you are right Tim I’m a dinosaur these days, I only know what is never used 
any more ☹ 

I have gone from a engineer that made things that were worth many thousands of 
dollars and sold world wide

To an old man on a mobility scooter farting round in a shed doing forgotten 
technology lol 😊

Bill 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all have to 
face it. CNC is the new way to go. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact that 
none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it was such 
a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills including the 
EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now its buy second 
hand or make your own .

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Hey Mac.

The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
video was made.

At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 

As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is the 
size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would have 
bought one.

For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.

Sadly I will never know.

But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac


  _  


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Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Defiantly

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 1:49 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Bill.

 

Wouldn't that be a great Christmas story!

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:45:54 PM EST, mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes good idea as far as I know no one ever asked,  but if I know legacy like I 
do the answer will be a definite resounding no then they might offer to make 
you one and charge you around the same price as one of there cnc models of 
similar size which would be  around 17K or 18K which was the starting price of 
their entry level cnc when I last looked.

But who knows give them a ring and ask it is that time of year right now 
miracles are supposed to happen right? 😊

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

That is a good idea Ryan.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:13:13 PM EST, RYAN JURGENS 
mailto:rtjurg...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

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mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

yup i'll stay out of the discussion. lol
Kind Regards,

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Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Tim
> copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you
> cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler <
> timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch
> that could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.
> The rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A
> set of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.
> The copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?
>
> I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the
> acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of
> being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing
> because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.
> Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny
> gears.
>
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> wrote:
>
> Anything is possible 😊
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>
> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Tim copywrites do not mean that you cant copy them, They are to make sure you 
cant copy and sell what ever is copywrite ed.   ;-)
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:57:55 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Pretty sure they have copyrights on all their past equipment Dan.
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:20 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch
> that could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.
> The rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A
> set of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.
> The copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?
>
> I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the
> acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of
> being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing
> because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.
> Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny
> gears.
>
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> wrote:
>
>> Anything is possible 😊
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>>
>> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I
>> had had the opportunity to play on one
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
>> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
>> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>>
>>
>>
>> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
>> hand.
>>
>> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
>> meant to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hear what you all think?
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

yeah but if anyone could build one Dan you could .

Kind Regards,

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:12 PM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> When I saw that EVO the thought of making did cross my mind.  Would still
> be a lot of $$.
>
> Then there is this
> <https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/910689770474059/?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment>for
> those in TX.
> DanK
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:18:55 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> wrote:
>
>> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact
>> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it
>> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills
>> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now
>> its buy second hand or make your own .
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Mac.
>>
>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended
>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after
>> this video was made.
>>
>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
>>
>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
>> have bought one.
>>
>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>>
>> Sadly I will never know.
>>
>> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>>
>> Thank you for sharing it.
>>
>> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>>
>>
>>
>> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
>> hand.
>>
>> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
>> meant to be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let's hear what you all think?
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

well if I could take off a year we would get together and build one lol.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:41 PM  wrote:

> Anything is possible 😊
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>
> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Thanks Bill.

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:40 PM  wrote:

> 2013 Tim
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:39 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Yup such a cool machine. Like I said before it was probably because of
> the transition into CNC.
>
> What year did that show up?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

yup for sure as we've talked in the past it's called progress. We all have
to face it. CNC is the new way to go.

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:18 PM  wrote:

> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact
> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it
> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills
> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now
> its buy second hand or make your own .
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Hey Mac.
>
> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up
> dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this
> video was made.
>
> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
>
> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
> have bought one.
>
> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>
> Sadly I will never know.
>
> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>
>
>
> Have a good night.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Curtis,
>
> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>
> Thank you for sharing it.
>
> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

yup pretty cool.

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 11:56 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html My copy from the link did
> not work as hoped for.
>
> With this link you should be able to see the pix.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:54:08 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> HI Tim
>
> 2013 the EVO was unveiled .
> From the history page.
>
>
> Model
> Image
> Year
> Notes
>
> Woodchuck IRT-33
> 1990
>
> The first machine produced by Phantom Engineering. Released as the
> Woodchuck Indexing Router Table. Also known as the IRT and also Woodchuck
> Router System.
>
>- 33" length by 7" diameter turning capacity.
>- 13.25 degrees of taper.
>- 16 and 24 position index plates included.
>
> Optional Accessories:
>
>- Increase length to 80 inches.
>- Left and right spiral capabilities for 3,4,5,6, and 7-1/2" pitch.
>
>
> Woodchuck/ IRT-KIT
> 1990
>
> This was designed as a DIY kit. The kit came with a plan set that allowed
> you to build the Woodchuck from wood. Included in the kit was an indexable
> headstock, 24 position index plate ,Auto Indexing hubs and an operation
> video.
>
> Recommended length was 33".
>
> Optional Accessories:
>
>- Index plates, 16,20, 32 positions.
>- Spiral attachment similar to the IRT-33 with updated plans.
>
> Woodchuck MA
> 1991
> All Steel Construction , Template follower feature added, tilting bed, Y
> axis with screw, multiple geared motors for independent drive of the
> spindle and x-axis leadscrew, 19 pitches.
>
> 500
> 1997
>
> Steel Rails
>
> Acrylic Gears providing 1/3", 1", 2", 3" and 6".
>
> no taper
>
> Options included a "Lathe Drive Package". This consisted of a gear set
> capable of creating a 1/32" pitch to be able to use the legacy as a copy
> lathe. The owner built a, "Template Support Holder."
>
>
> 600
> No Image Available, referenced on an early version of Legacy's Web site.
> ?
> Steel Rails, no taper
>
> 1000 and 1000L
> See model 1500 below
> 1997
>
>- Steel Rails
>- 5 pitches
>- 60" length turning capacity
>
> 1500 and 1500L
> 1997
>
> Same as 1500 but included all optional accessories available at the time.
>
>- Linear Drive
>- Elevation lift
>- Floor Stand
>- 20 total gear pitches
>
> 500
> 2000
> This is a model 500 according to the name plate on the machine. The owner
> is selling it as a Model 500 EXS. It's believed to have the same pitch
> capabilities as the earlier steel rail version but no information is
> available. The machine was offered for sale on Ebay in Nov 2012.
>
> 600EXL
> 2000-2002
>
> Introduction of Aluminum rails. No y-axis screw. Single direction spirals.
>
>- 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
>- 5 1/2" dia. by 40" round stock capacity
>- Spiral Pitches: 1/2", 1", 2", 3", 6" and .33" per rotation
>- #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard
>lathe accessories
>- Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction,
>Acrylic gears.
>- 24" X 48" bench space required
>
>
> 1000EXL
> 2000-2004
>
>- 3.5" thick by 14" wide flat stock capacity
>- 10" dia. by 60" round stock capacity
>- Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2", 5", 6", and 7 1/2" per rotation
>- Maximum taper angle: 2.5 degrees or 5.25" at 60"
>- #2MT Headstock and Tailstock
>- Index Drive Center (Headstock)
>- Live Center (Tailstock)
>- Quick release tailstock
>- Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction with
>extruded aluminum rails.
>
>
>- model 1000EXS (40" capacity)
>- model 1000EX (60" capacity)
>- model 1000EXL (80" capacity)
>
> 1500EXL
> 2000-2004
>
> Same as the 1000EXL but included:
>
>- Floor Stand with Elevation Controls
>- 90 VDC Linear Drive Motor Gear Cover & Dust controller
>- .25X Gear Reduction Set
>- 2X Gear Multiplier Set
>- Indexable Rotary Table
>
> 800EXL
>
> 2002-2004
>
> Replaced the model 600. New style bushings installed.
>
>- 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
>- 7.5" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
>- Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 6" per rotation
>- #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard
>lathe accessories
>- Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction.
>
> 400
> 2004-2005
>
> No Spiral Capabilities. Economy model, no leadscrews
>
>- 3 Axis Control
>- Adjustable Bed
>- Indexing Headstock
>- Template Follower
>- 8" wide (flat stock)
>- 8" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
>- footprint: 60" X 16"
>
> 900
> 2004-2012
> Replaced the model 800
>
>- 8" (up to 9" with stand) dia. by 48" round stock capacity
>- 14" wide flat stock
>- 7 pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2",

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

exactly right.

Kind Regards,

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 11:00 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey Dan!
>
> With your skills, I know that you would  be able to make a Legacy pretty
> close to what you see in the video.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:05:31 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com <
> cdkra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hooboi.  It's a good thing I didn't see this when it happened.  That
> machine would have gone missing, no matter what it took!
> Serious WANT.
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:13:33 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hey Mac.
> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up
> dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this
> video was made.
> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
> have bought one.
> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
> Sadly I will never know.
> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Curtis,
>
> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>
> Thank you for sharing it.
>
> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Bill.
Wouldn't that be a great Christmas story!
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 09:45:54 PM EST,  
wrote:  
 
 
Yes good idea as far as I know no one ever asked,  but if I know legacy like I 
do the answer will be a definite resounding no then they might offer to make 
you one and charge you around the same price as one of there cnc models of 
similar size which would be  around 17K or 18K which was the starting price of 
their entry level cnc when I last looked.

But who knows give them a ring and ask it is that time of year right now 
miracles are supposed to happen right? 😊

  

Bill

  

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

  

That is a good idea Ryan.

  

C.A.G.

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:13:13 PM EST, RYAN JURGENS 
 wrote: 

  

  

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android

  


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com

 wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

  

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

  

DanK

  

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

She's a beaut for sure.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 10:05 AM cdkr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hooboi.  It's a good thing I didn't see this when it happened.  That
> machine would have gone missing, no matter what it took!
> Serious WANT.
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:13:33 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hey Mac.
>> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended
>> up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after
>> this video was made.
>> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine.
>> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is
>> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would
>> have bought one.
>> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my
>> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did.
>> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there
>> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>> Sadly I will never know.
>> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
>> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Curtis,
>>
>> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>>
>> Thank you for sharing it.
>>
>> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>>
>> Mac
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>>
>> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
>> hand.
>> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
>> meant to be.
>>
>> Let's hear what you all think?
>>
>> C.A.G.
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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Yes good idea as far as I know no one ever asked,  but if I know legacy like I 
do the answer will be a definite resounding no then they might offer to make 
you one and charge you around the same price as one of there cnc models of 
similar size which would be  around 17K or 18K which was the starting price of 
their entry level cnc when I last looked.

But who knows give them a ring and ask it is that time of year right now 
miracles are supposed to happen right? 😊

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 11:16 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

That is a good idea Ryan.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:13:13 PM EST, RYAN JURGENS 
mailto:rtjurg...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

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On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com <mailto:cdkr...@gmail.com> 

mailto:cdkra...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

 

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

 

DanK

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
<mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

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mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM mailto:bulk...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 ONE More note on this.  1000mm is 39  3/8" 1500 mm is 59' 1/16" Depending on 
the length of the LegacyYour prices may very.  Here are two extremes on the 
same rail.
https://www.amazon.com/CNCMANS-SFU1204-SBR16UU-Bearing-Coupling/dp/B09QPWYT4X/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=1500mm%2B16mm%2Blinear%2Brail&qid=1702256045&sr=8-18&th=1
 $189.99

https://www.amazon.com/BestEquip-SBR16-1500mm-Bearings-forAutomated-Equipments/dp/B082SWP88Z/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=1500mm+16mm+linear+rail&qid=1702256292&sr=8-19
is $59.99
C.A.G.On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:51:26 PM EST, 'Curt George' via 
Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  
 
  Hello Ken
Depending on you skills and what you want to make.As I see it.The biggest bang 
for your buck would be to put linear rail ontoany Legacy, with just a plunge 
router running on the rails like the 1000ex and 1500 modals had. It cost me 
something close to $100.00 back then TO add these rails. (BUT! Amazon has a 
sale on it now until Christmas. for 
$69.99)https://www.amazon.com/OrangeA-SBR16-1000mm-Automated-Machines-Equipments/dp/B07DL5Z9XQ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=242BLCK3QMCSJ&keywords=1000mm%2B16mm%2Blinear%2Brail&qid=1702255258&sprefix=1000mm%2B16mm%2Bleanear%2Brail%2Caps%2C92&sr=8-8&th=1
   I put 16mm leaner rail onto my 1000ex. (here are 3 pix) The 16mmlooks like 
it was made for the Legacy. By using the Original router carriage and adding 
the slides only lifts the carriage up appx. 1" higher. So making a new bracket 
to hold the split-nut, Or making two new brackets to hold the Acme screw a bit 
higher, would be the only MOD's you would have to make.It was a very easy 
process for me.
On my Legacy 2020 the hard part for me was to re-design the Z axis to work like 
the way I wanted it to work.It is something that I did, and I still am very 
happy with it today.
If you want to know more, Just ask. ;-)Have a good night.
C.A.G.On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:16:53 PM EST, Ken and Diana 
 wrote:  
 
 I think that is a good question.   Is there anyone out there willing to pursue 
such an endeavor??I wonder about the cost in today's market.Ken 
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 7:13 PM RYAN JURGENS  wrote:

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Ken and Diana]

I think that is a good question.
  Is there anyone out there willing to pursue such an endeavor??
I wonder about the cost in today's market.
Ken

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 7:13 PM RYAN JURGENS 
wrote:

> Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained
> and permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they
> no longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.
>
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>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com
>  wrote:
> The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch
> that could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.
> The rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A
> set of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.
> The copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?
>
> I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the
> acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of
> being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing
> because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.
> Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny
> gears.
>
> DanK
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> wrote:
>
> Anything is possible 😊
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>
> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 That is a good idea Ryan.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:13:13 PM EST, RYAN JURGENS 
 wrote:  
 
 Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[RYAN JURGENS]

Has anyone ever contacted Legacy and asked if blueprints could be obtained and 
permission granted to produce the Ornamental Mill machines? Being they no 
longer produce them, I wonder what their thinking would be.

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  On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 7:21 AM, cdkr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The rest 
would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set of 
construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The copyright 
or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:


Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Tim Ziegler


Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:


The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

The kicker for making an EVO would be to find someone with a CNC punch that 
could nibble out the essentials.  I could fold and powder coat them.  The 
rest would have to be pretty much off the shelf hardware, me thinks. A set 
of construction drawings would have to be made or obtained somehow.  The 
copyright or patent issues shouldn't be a problem anymore, should they?

I just mounted and tested a 3D printed plastic duplex gear to replace the 
acrylic one that broke off a tooth.  It works smoothly and shows promise of 
being durable.  Type of plastic unknown.  I will have to machine a bushing 
because I screwed up the mounting so that the duplex wobbles unacceptably.  
Worst case is to make the "guide rails" found on almost all these skinny 
gears. 

DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:41:32 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> Anything is possible 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:
>
> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had 
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>
>  
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first 
> hand. 
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never 
> meant to be.
>
>  
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

When I saw that EVO the thought of making did cross my mind.  Would still 
be a lot of $$.

Then there is this 
<https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/910689770474059/?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment>for
 
those in TX.  
DanK
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 3:18:55 PM UTC-5 bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:

> The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact 
> that none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it 
> was such a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills 
> including the EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now 
> its buy second hand or make your own .
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> Hey Mac.
>
> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
> dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
> video was made.
>
> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
>
> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
> have bought one.
>
> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
>
> Sadly I will never know.
>
> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>
>  
>
> Have a good night.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Curtis,
>
> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>
> Thank you for sharing it.
>
> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>
> Mac
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>
>  
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first 
> hand. 
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never 
> meant to be.
>
>  
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

Anything is possible 😊

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:48 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> > wrote:

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

2013 Tim

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 4:39 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Yup such a cool machine. Like I said before it was probably because of the 
transition into CNC. 

What year did that show up?


Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

The thing that made me buy the revo over a EVO at the time was the fact that 
none of the extras that legacy sold then fitted on the EVO because it was such 
a different style of mill ,and then   suddenly all manual mills including the 
EVO where gone so that was the end for us all. So then as now its buy second 
hand or make your own .

 

Bill

 

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 5:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

Hey Mac.

The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
video was made.

At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 

As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is the 
size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would have 
bought one.

For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.

Sadly I will never know.

But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.

 

Have a good night.

 

C.A.G.

 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac

  _  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html My copy from the link did not 
work as hoped for.

With this link you should be able to see the pix.
C.A.G.
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  HI Tim
2013 the EVO was unveiled .From the history page.


| Model | Image | Year | Notes |
| Woodchuck IRT-33 |  | 1990 | 
The first machine produced by Phantom Engineering. Released as the Woodchuck 
Indexing Router Table. Also known as the IRT and also Woodchuck Router System.
   
   - 33" length by 7" diameter turning capacity.
   - 13.25 degrees of taper.
   - 16 and 24 position index plates included.

Optional Accessories:
   
   - Increase length to 80 inches.
   - Left and right spiral capabilities for 3,4,5,6, and 7-1/2" pitch.

 
 |
| Woodchuck/ IRT-KIT |  | 1990 | 
This was designed as a DIY kit. The kit came with a plan set that allowed you 
to build the Woodchuck from wood. Included in the kit was an indexable 
headstock, 24 position index plate ,Auto Indexing hubs and an operation video.

Recommended length was 33".

Optional Accessories:
   
   - Index plates, 16,20, 32 positions.
   - Spiral attachment similar to the IRT-33 with updated plans.
 |
| Woodchuck MA |  | 1991 | All Steel Construction , Template follower feature 
added, tilting bed, Y axis with screw, multiple geared motors for independent 
drive of the spindle and x-axis leadscrew, 19 pitches. |
| 500 |  | 1997 | 
Steel Rails

Acrylic Gears providing 1/3", 1", 2", 3" and 6".

no taper

Options included a "Lathe Drive Package". This consisted of a gear set capable 
of creating a 1/32" pitch to be able to use the legacy as a copy lathe. The 
owner built a, "Template Support Holder."

 
 |
| 600 | No Image Available, referenced on an early version of Legacy's Web 
site. | ? | Steel Rails, no taper |
| 1000 and 1000L | See model 1500 below | 1997 |
   - Steel Rails
   - 5 pitches
   - 60" length turning capacity
 |
| 1500 and 1500L |  | 1997 | 
Same as 1500 but included all optional accessories available at the time.
   
   - Linear Drive
   - Elevation lift
   - Floor Stand
   - 20 total gear pitches
 |
| 500 |  | 2000 | This is a model 500 according to the name plate on the 
machine. The owner is selling it as a Model 500 EXS. It's believed to have the 
same pitch capabilities as the earlier steel rail version but no information is 
available. The machine was offered for sale on Ebay in Nov 2012. |
| 600EXL |  | 2000-2002 | 
Introduction of Aluminum rails. No y-axis screw. Single direction spirals.
   
   - 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
   - 5 1/2" dia. by 40" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 1/2", 1", 2", 3", 6" and .33" per rotation
   - #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard lathe 
accessories
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction, Acrylic 
gears.
   - 24" X 48" bench space required

 
 |
| 1000EXL |  | 2000-2004 |
   - 3.5" thick by 14" wide flat stock capacity
   - 10" dia. by 60" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2", 5", 6", and 7 1/2" per rotation
   - Maximum taper angle: 2.5 degrees or 5.25" at 60"
   - #2MT Headstock and Tailstock
   - Index Drive Center (Headstock)
   - Live Center (Tailstock)
   - Quick release tailstock
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction with extruded 
aluminum rails.
   
   - model 1000EXS (40" capacity)
   - model 1000EX (60" capacity)
   - model 1000EXL (80" capacity)
 |
| 1500EXL |  | 2000-2004 | 
Same as the 1000EXL but included:
   
   - Floor Stand with Elevation Controls
   - 90 VDC Linear Drive Motor Gear Cover & Dust controller
   - .25X Gear Reduction Set
   - 2X Gear Multiplier Set
   - Indexable Rotary Table
 |
| 800EXL |  | 
2002-2004
 | 
Replaced the model 600. New style bushings installed.
   
   - 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
   - 7.5" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 6" per rotation
   - #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard lathe 
accessories
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction.
 |
| 400 |  | 2004-2005 | 
No Spiral Capabilities. Economy model, no leadscrews
   
   - 3 Axis Control
   - Adjustable Bed
   - Indexing Headstock
   - Template Follower
   - 8" wide (flat stock)
   - 8" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - footprint: 60" X 16"
 |
| 900 |  | 2004-2012 | Replaced the model 800   
   - 8" (up to 9" with stand) dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - 14" wide flat stock
   - 7 pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2", 5", 6",   
7 1/2" per rotation.
   - Left hand spiral only
   - 24 position index
   - 4 degrees maximum taper
   - Footprint: 60" X 18 1/2"   

 |
| 1200 |  | 2004-2012 | 
Similar to the 900 with added features and length.
   
   - 11" dia. by 72" round stock capacity
   - Left and Right hand spirals
   - 3.1 degrees maximum taper
   - Floor stand
   - Dust control
   - Footprint 90" X 18 1/2"
 |
| 1800 

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 HI Tim
2013 the EVO was unveiled .From the history page.


| Model | Image | Year | Notes |
| Woodchuck IRT-33 |  | 1990 | 
The first machine produced by Phantom Engineering. Released as the Woodchuck 
Indexing Router Table. Also known as the IRT and also Woodchuck Router System.
   
   - 33" length by 7" diameter turning capacity.
   - 13.25 degrees of taper.
   - 16 and 24 position index plates included.

Optional Accessories:
   
   - Increase length to 80 inches.
   - Left and right spiral capabilities for 3,4,5,6, and 7-1/2" pitch.

 
 |
| Woodchuck/ IRT-KIT |  | 1990 | 
This was designed as a DIY kit. The kit came with a plan set that allowed you 
to build the Woodchuck from wood. Included in the kit was an indexable 
headstock, 24 position index plate ,Auto Indexing hubs and an operation video.

Recommended length was 33".

Optional Accessories:
   
   - Index plates, 16,20, 32 positions.
   - Spiral attachment similar to the IRT-33 with updated plans.
 |
| Woodchuck MA |  | 1991 | All Steel Construction , Template follower feature 
added, tilting bed, Y axis with screw, multiple geared motors for independent 
drive of the spindle and x-axis leadscrew, 19 pitches. |
| 500 |  | 1997 | 
Steel Rails

Acrylic Gears providing 1/3", 1", 2", 3" and 6".

no taper

Options included a "Lathe Drive Package". This consisted of a gear set capable 
of creating a 1/32" pitch to be able to use the legacy as a copy lathe. The 
owner built a, "Template Support Holder."

 
 |
| 600 | No Image Available, referenced on an early version of Legacy's Web 
site. | ? | Steel Rails, no taper |
| 1000 and 1000L | See model 1500 below | 1997 |
   - Steel Rails
   - 5 pitches
   - 60" length turning capacity
 |
| 1500 and 1500L |  | 1997 | 
Same as 1500 but included all optional accessories available at the time.
   
   - Linear Drive
   - Elevation lift
   - Floor Stand
   - 20 total gear pitches
 |
| 500 |  | 2000 | This is a model 500 according to the name plate on the 
machine. The owner is selling it as a Model 500 EXS. It's believed to have the 
same pitch capabilities as the earlier steel rail version but no information is 
available. The machine was offered for sale on Ebay in Nov 2012. |
| 600EXL |  | 2000-2002 | 
Introduction of Aluminum rails. No y-axis screw. Single direction spirals.
   
   - 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
   - 5 1/2" dia. by 40" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 1/2", 1", 2", 3", 6" and .33" per rotation
   - #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard lathe 
accessories
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction, Acrylic 
gears.
   - 24" X 48" bench space required

 
 |
| 1000EXL |  | 2000-2004 |
   - 3.5" thick by 14" wide flat stock capacity
   - 10" dia. by 60" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2", 5", 6", and 7 1/2" per rotation
   - Maximum taper angle: 2.5 degrees or 5.25" at 60"
   - #2MT Headstock and Tailstock
   - Index Drive Center (Headstock)
   - Live Center (Tailstock)
   - Quick release tailstock
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction with extruded 
aluminum rails.
   
   - model 1000EXS (40" capacity)
   - model 1000EX (60" capacity)
   - model 1000EXL (80" capacity)
 |
| 1500EXL |  | 2000-2004 | 
Same as the 1000EXL but included:
   
   - Floor Stand with Elevation Controls
   - 90 VDC Linear Drive Motor Gear Cover & Dust controller
   - .25X Gear Reduction Set
   - 2X Gear Multiplier Set
   - Indexable Rotary Table
 |
| 800EXL |  | 
2002-2004
 | 
Replaced the model 600. New style bushings installed.
   
   - 2" thick by 8" wide flat stock
   - 7.5" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - Spiral Pitches: 2", 3", 6" per rotation
   - #2MT headstock with 1" -8 tpi threads will utilize most standard lathe 
accessories
   - Precision machined, laser cut and stamped steel construction.
 |
| 400 |  | 2004-2005 | 
No Spiral Capabilities. Economy model, no leadscrews
   
   - 3 Axis Control
   - Adjustable Bed
   - Indexing Headstock
   - Template Follower
   - 8" wide (flat stock)
   - 8" dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - footprint: 60" X 16"
 |
| 900 |  | 2004-2012 | Replaced the model 800   
   - 8" (up to 9" with stand) dia. by 48" round stock capacity
   - 14" wide flat stock
   - 7 pitches: 2", 3", 4", 4 1/2", 5", 6",   
7 1/2" per rotation.
   - Left hand spiral only
   - 24 position index
   - 4 degrees maximum taper
   - Footprint: 60" X 18 1/2"   

 |
| 1200 |  | 2004-2012 | 
Similar to the 900 with added features and length.
   
   - 11" dia. by 72" round stock capacity
   - Left and Right hand spirals
   - 3.1 degrees maximum taper
   - Floor stand
   - Dust control
   - Footprint 90" X 18 1/2"
 |
| 1800 |  | 2004-2009 | 
Similar to the 1200 with added length and features.
   
   - 11" dia. by 96" round capacity
   - 2.4 degrees maximum taper
   - Included 2x and .25 reduction gears for a total of 19 pitches
   - Linear motor
   - 24, 36 and 40 index positions
   -

Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Maybe we should get together and build one Bill.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 2:43 AM  wrote:

> The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had
> had the opportunity to play on one
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
> *To:* Legacy ornamental mills 
> *Subject:* Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
>
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
>
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
>
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[Tim Ziegler]

Yup such a cool machine. Like I said before it was probably because of
the transition into CNC.
What year did that show up?
Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Foreston MN 56330

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On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 11:40 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w
>
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first
> hand.
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never
> meant to be.
>
> Let's hear what you all think?
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hey Dan!
With your skills, I know that you would  be able to make a Legacy pretty close 
to what you see in the video.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:05:31 AM EST, cdkr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Hooboi.  It's a good thing I didn't see this when it happened.  That machine 
would have gone missing, no matter what it took! 
Serious WANT.
DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:13:33 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

 Hey Mac.The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy 
ended up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
this video was made.At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of 
the machine. As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then 
why is the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
have bought one.For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and 
re-doing my 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what 
I did. BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus 
there tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.Sadly I will 
never know.But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:  
 
 
Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w    Form Years gone by. I wish that 
I had a chance to see this machine first hand. Today I think, Just maybe I was 
wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant to be. Let's hear what you all 
think? C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Hooboi.  It's a good thing I didn't see this when it happened.  That 
machine would have gone missing, no matter what it took! 
Serious WANT.
DanK

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:13:33 AM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:

> Hey Mac.
> The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy ended up 
> dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after this 
> video was made.
> At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of the machine. 
> As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then why is 
> the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
> have bought one.
> For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and re-doing my 
> 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what I did. 
> BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus there 
> tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.
> Sadly I will never know.
> But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue <
> mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Curtis,
>
> WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
>
> Thank you for sharing it.
>
> I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
>
> Mac
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)
>
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
>  
> Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first 
> hand. 
> Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never 
> meant to be.
>  
> Let's hear what you all think?
>  
> C.A.G.
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RE: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[bulkeley]

The evo was a good mill I think it had faults as all mills do I wish I had had 
the opportunity to play on one

 

Bill

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2023 4:40 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   

 

Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 

Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.

 

Let's hear what you all think?

 

C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Hey Mac.The EVO was a proto type machine that sadly never made it. Legacy 
ended up dumping the hole manual machine's all together just a short time after 
this video was made.At the time. My complaint were the Price, and the size of 
the machine. As I saw it then, IF the EVO was to replace the Legacy LOM. then 
why is the size so small?  If Legacy had made the EVO 60" long, I think I would 
have bought one.For me, shortly after, I ended up buying the Linear rail and 
re-doing my 1000ex. into what I call my Legacy 2020. I am very happy with what 
I did. BUT... I think the all steel construction and the linear rails, plus 
there tilting Z axis might have been better then what I made.?.Sadly I will 
never know.But It is fun watching Tracy doing his thing, In this video.
Have a good night.
C.A.G.
On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:59:43 AM EST, M.W.Foscue 
 wrote:  
 
 
Curtis,

WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!

Thank you for sharing it.

I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!

Mac

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From: 
Sent: Dec 10, 2023 12:40 AM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w    Form Years gone by. I wish that 
I had a chance to see this machine first hand. Today I think, Just maybe I was 
wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant to be. Let's hear what you all 
think? C.A.G.

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Re: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

[M.W.Foscue]

Curtis,
WOW!!  That is a REALLY COOL find!
Thank you for sharing it.
I sure wish that they had put it out here in the USA way back when!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
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To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Look what I found on the Russian web site. ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViUos4Tgs3w   
 
Form Years gone by. I wish that I had a chance to see this machine first hand. 
Today I think, Just maybe I was wrong about the EVO. Sadly it was never meant 
to be.
 
Let's hear what you all think?
 
C.A.G.


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