Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

ok, no time last night to get to the details of this upgrade, so here we 
go...the four wheel "trolleys" used here are made by unistrut, to fit their 
P1000 strut channel...they were $21.00 each, so no great expense 
there...unistrut used spring pins for axels, which made the axel 
hollow...that detail allowed me to glue a plastic nylon, 10-32, pan head 
screw into the hollow axel...this allowed me to set the sideways movement 
of the trolley to an almost zero tolerance, by filing the head of the 
screws so the fit was perfect...so lateral "slop" is taken care of, quite 
easily...the long, nylon, 1/4-20, socket head screw in the middle of 
each trolley, is for the vertical adjustment/"slop of each trolley...set it 
once, and your done...we put a 7/16" X 7/16" steel bar into each trolley, 
that had three, drilled and tapped, 1/4-20 threaded holes so the trolley 
could be mounted to the carriage plate(2" X 1") and for the nylon, height 
adjustment screw...this bar was welded in place, and the size from McM/Cr 
fit perfectly, just had to cut to length...the carriage plate is just some 
2" X 1" flat bar(2 pcs.) and some 1" bar, with the appropriate mounting 
holes, drilled and tapped...no difficulty there...the "Y" carriage bolted 
to these trolley "units"(front rail and back rail) with a washer or two, 
used for proper shimming and to achieve the proper height for the lead 
screw split nut to work properly...all in all, an easy mod to have the "X" 
axis on a linear bearing, crude as it may be...it is not to CNC standards, 
but certainly a huge improvement when doing legacy manual wood turning 
and/or milling...total parts cost was just a bit more than $100...labor, I 
did not track, but I would think this is a one day job...thanks...joe b.

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Funny!  I wish I could remember the name of the owner.  I recall it was an eBay 
purchase that had everything except the manual.  I'm thinking I helped the new 
owner assemble it.  Either that or I helped him sell the thing on eBay and made 
sure most of the parts were there. It's been six or seven years probably.

⁣Tim


On Aug 3, 2017, 10:47 AM, at 10:47 AM, MWF  wrote:
>Tim,
>If you ship it to me - I'll take pictures of the process of assembling
>it and send them to you.
>At that point, it will be too large & unwieldy to send back to you - so
>I'll have to "store" it for you here.  
>Thanks for sharing.
>Mac
>_
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Aug 2, 2017 4:45 PM 
>To: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?) 
>
>One last thing, a photo of a brand new unassembled model1000/1500.
>
> 
>
>Notice the Modern style split nut in the lower right hand.  I really do
>think that is the last photo in my personal collection of images.
>
>-Tim
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[MWF]

Tim,If you ship it to me - I'll take pictures of the process of assembling it and send them to you.At that point, it will be too large & unwieldy to send back to you - so I'll have to "store" it for you here. Thanks for sharing.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Krause 
Sent: Aug 2, 2017 4:45 PM
To: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)


  

  
  
One last thing, a photo of a brand new unassembled
  model1000/1500.



Notice the Modern style split nut in the lower right hand.  I really
do think that is the last photo in my personal collection of images.

-Tim
  







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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Richard Ellis]

Tim
On the 7.7.16 I did send some pics of the nut. I have lost them from PC and 
can't copy and paste to & from this site, so if you look back to that date 
you will see them
Cheers Richard

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:52:59 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>
> So your woodchuck split nut is not what was shown in my carriage 
> pictures?  Is that what I'm reading?  Can you show us a photo?
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:44:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>> Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
>> half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
>> On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
>> to closed position, no back piece .
>> I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to 
>> see if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
>> As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
>> leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
>> Richard
>>
>>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

So your woodchuck split nut is not what was shown in my carriage pictures?  
Is that what I'm reading?  Can you show us a photo?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:44:28 PM UTC-7, Richard Ellis wrote:
>
> Hi
> Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
> half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
> On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
> to closed position, no back piece .
> I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to see 
> if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
> As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
> leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
> Richard
>
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Richard Ellis]

Hi
Interesting about the split nut. on my Woodchuck it is hinged, the lower 
half in not threaded ,just bare,just there to carry the leadscrew.
On the Revo ,shorter bed and leadscrew the nut is just a half that slides 
to closed position, no back piece .
I like the idea of a sliding nut for the Woodchuck, Later will have to see 
if it is possible, as my nut is just about had it.
As I have not got a 4 TPI threading tap, I did think of heat gun .// 
leadscrew to some Delrin and form a new one.
Richard

On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:16:12 PM UTC+1, joe biunno wrote:
>
> just picked up this legacy and need assistance in identifying it...I 
> looked in the "history of ornamental mills", and it seems this is a 1500 
> (or 1500L?)...the photos show it is of the type with the 1 1/2" X 1 1/2", 
> square , steel tubing as a bed and "uni-strut P-1000" as the rails...can 
> anyone pinpoint the year or time frame this machine was made?...serial # is 
> 1656C...has some things that seem a bit odd to me, that if anyone could 
> explain, would be appreciated(see follow up comments)...also looking for 
> the assembly manual/owner's manual, if anyone has that...certainly a 
> download would do...I will include other pictures and/or requests in follow 
> up posts...thanks...joe biunno
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

You're welcome, I learned something as well.

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On Aug 2, 2017, 3:15 PM, at 3:15 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>well, that explains why the nut on my machine is not split...I would be
>
>curious as to why legacy would offer it as an option when it is such a 
>minor upgrade...include it with every machine and just up the price a
>few 
>dollars...and you have also explained the different types of split nuts
>
>used for the X axis...I looking at ads for the legacy on ebay,
>craigslist, 
>etc. I have seen the angled nut, the split nut, an in-and-out
>nut...don't 
>know if they were original to the machine or added/improvised at a
>later 
>date...all interesting info and much appreciated tim...thanks...joe
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['Finunlim' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

tim, there are no wing nuts,,,there is a single, socket head, allen key bolt 
holding the solid acme nut to the carriage



-Original Message-
From: Tim Krause 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Cc: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)



Joe,


Do you have two wing nuts that connect the router base to your solid acme nut 
on the y axis?  That also appears to be another method to allow the axis to 
float with the solid nut version.


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On Aug 2, 2017, at 2:16 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional info 
that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L" shaped, 
nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and ball 
bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube Goldberg)...I also 
see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis does not have 
a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme thread in it and 
attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently no way to 
disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that out without 
much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue there, but I am glad 
to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun setting up the X axis on 
a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be quite an easy job and at a 
nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not allow the carriage to be 
lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and front-to-back) will be 
very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide easily...and the tolerances will 
be easily adjustable, if ever needed...I am also converting the headstock to 
ball bearings...it currently has some 1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, 
but I could see those not lasting very long, especially under 
heavier-than-normal loads...that too was not expensive, but will require 
jamming a lot into that small headstock "box"...but I have laid it out and it 
is doable...and I will be posting photos, of course...not going to go the full 
monty with this machine, as I did before, LOL...but just some needed 
repairs/upgrades that were necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why 
not spend a little more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to 
use this machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you will be 
the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe



  




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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

well, that explains why the nut on my machine is not split...I would be 
curious as to why legacy would offer it as an option when it is such a 
minor upgrade...include it with every machine and just up the price a few 
dollars...and you have also explained the different types of split nuts 
used for the X axis...I looking at ads for the legacy on ebay, craigslist, 
etc. I have seen the angled nut, the split nut, an in-and-out nut...don't 
know if they were original to the machine or added/improvised at a later 
date...all interesting info and much appreciated tim...thanks...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Joe,

Do you have two wing nuts that connect the router base to your solid acme nut 
on the y axis?  That also appears to be another method to allow the axis to 
float with the solid nut version.

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On Aug 2, 2017, 2:16 PM, at 2:16 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional
>info 
>that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L"
>shaped, 
>nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
>photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and
>ball 
>bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube
>Goldberg)...I 
>also see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis
>does 
>not have a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme
>thread 
>in it and attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently
>no 
>way to disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that
>out 
>without much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue
>there, 
>but I am glad to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun
>setting 
>up the X axis on a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be
>quite 
>an easy job and at a nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not
>allow 
>the carriage to be lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and
>
>front-to-back) will be very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide 
>easily...and the tolerances will be easily adjustable, if ever
>needed...I 
>am also converting the headstock to ball bearings...it currently has
>some 
>1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, but I could see those not
>lasting 
>very long, especially under heavier-than-normal loads...that too was
>not 
>expensive, but will require jamming a lot into that small headstock 
>"box"...but I have laid it out and it is doable...and I will be posting
>
>photos, of course...not going to go the full monty with this machine,
>as I 
>did before, LOL...but just some needed repairs/upgrades that were 
>necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why not spend a little
>
>more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to use this 
>machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
>poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you
>will 
>be the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe
>
>
>>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

New details,

The model 1000 the y axis leadscrew was an option.  It came without a split 
nut.  It was a block of delrin tapped for the acme thread.  If you wanted to 
move the y axis freely you would remove one screws and that would set it free.  
The split nut was yet another option that made using the y axis easier.  The 
source of this information is from a project video that features the model 1000 
steel version.

Tim

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On Aug 2, 2017, 2:34 PM, at 2:34 PM, Tim  wrote:
>This is driving me a little nutty,
>
>The split nut that you show photographed was on the early model
>1000/1500 
>machines.  I've now seen this in a Legacy video.  When and how they
>went to 
>the modern split nut escapes me.  I don't know if it was an upgrade
>option 
>or simply a newer model 1000/1500 change.  Any help would be
>appreciated to 
>clear this up.
>
>I do recall a model 1000 aluminum machine has an angled mount and split
>nut 
>as shown on my carriage photos.  I can't get to mine to verify at the 
>moment.
>
>-Tim
>
>
>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...  
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

This is driving me a little nutty,

The split nut that you show photographed was on the early model 1000/1500 
machines.  I've now seen this in a Legacy video.  When and how they went to 
the modern split nut escapes me.  I don't know if it was an upgrade option 
or simply a newer model 1000/1500 change.  Any help would be appreciated to 
clear this up.

I do recall a model 1000 aluminum machine has an angled mount and split nut 
as shown on my carriage photos.  I can't get to mine to verify at the 
moment.

-Tim


On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:17:25 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...  
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

wow tim!...incredible photos and many thanks...here is some additional info 
that is now better explained, thanks to you...I do not have the "L" shaped, 
nylon blocks on the underside of the Y carriage, as I now see in your 
photos...they were replaced by a previous owner with an oak wood and ball 
bearing set up that is a bit sub-standard for me (i.e. rube Goldberg)...I 
also see that the Y axis acme screw has it's own split nut...my Y axis does 
not have a split nut, just a solid, nylon block, with the 5/8-4 acme thread 
in it and attached to the router mounting plate...so there is currently no 
way to disengage the Y movement from the threaded rod...I can mod that out 
without much work with some of the extra parts I have, so no issue there, 
but I am glad to have seen it in your photos...I have already begun setting 
up the X axis on a linear bearing...and actually it seems it will be quite 
an easy job and at a nominal expense($120.00 +/- total)...it will not allow 
the carriage to be lifted off the rails and the tolerances(vertical and 
front-to-back) will be very tight and yet allow the carriage to slide 
easily...and the tolerances will be easily adjustable, if ever needed...I 
am also converting the headstock to ball bearings...it currently has some 
1/4", black nylon "pads" as a bearing, but I could see those not lasting 
very long, especially under heavier-than-normal loads...that too was not 
expensive, but will require jamming a lot into that small headstock 
"box"...but I have laid it out and it is doable...and I will be posting 
photos, of course...not going to go the full monty with this machine, as I 
did before, LOL...but just some needed repairs/upgrades that were 
necessary, and I thought while I was doing that, why not spend a little 
more time and make it a better machine...my intention is to use this 
machine for smaller work and leave the big guy set up to do the longer 
poles and larger work we do...and if I should ever get a manual, you will 
be the first person I send a copy to...again, many thanks...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim]

oops never mind.  I saw it.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:15:38 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Joe, 
>
> Can you take a photo of the torn up split nut.  I'm curious about 
> something. 
>
> -Tim 
>
>
> On 8/1/2017 7:50 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote: 
> > well, the legacy gods smiled upon me today!...that hinged, split nut 
> > was a mess...the bracket was poorly made by a previous owner and the 
> > threads were very worn...so I looked through my extra parts and found 
> > what you see in the two photos...a new, split nut that was left over 
> > perhaps from my wood chuck machine or the 1200 that I used to extend 
> > the 1800...I don't remember, but there it was...interesting that it 
> > attached to the carriage like it was meant to be, and that it is 
> > angled, not up and down like on the 1800 and other, later legacy 
> > machines...and I even have another, threaded half of the split nut, as 
> > a spare, if this one ever wears out(certainly not in my 
> > lifetime!)...so that was a 10 minute upgrade/repair...and so it 
> > begins, bringing this machine up to a much better, user friendly, 
> > condition...the legacy gremlins are now harassing me to continue, 
> > LOL!...god help me!...joe b. 
> > 
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

They where uhmw, and they have slotted mounting holes in the carriage.  
Also notice that there is no mechanism to keep the carriage held to the 
rails.  It just lifts up.


That's all I know about this subject.

-Tim

PS, Credit to Mike Pung for allowing me to take photos of his carriage.


On 8/1/2017 5:29 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
hey tim!...thanks for the info...any details on what the Y carriage 
slid on?...i'm guessing some kind of nylon pads, but i'm curious if 
there was a way to adjust them if there was a bit of play between the 
carriage and the rails...perhaps a group member who has this machine 
can post some photos...and the manual situation seems very 
strange...no manual has surfaced to date?...well, hopefully someone is 
reading these posts and will offer the group a copy...again, thanks 
for the input...joe



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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Confused, that looks like a split nut like a Woodchuck version...

-Tim



On 8/1/2017 5:44 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
here is a photo of the split nut used on the lead screw...a bit odd as 
it hinges open and closed...certainly very difficult to replace when 
it becomes worn out and most likely I will set up a split block that 
was used in later machines...the later type is easier to copy and make 
from scratch...trying to avoid getting too involved with this 
machine...I do have a use for it and I got it on the cheap, but 
finances dictate that I can't do my typical "mod" thing...but since 
there are no parts available, (especially for this earlier, 20 year 
old machine) I guess I have no choice...thanks...joe



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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Joe,

Can you take a photo of the torn up split nut.  I'm curious about something.

-Tim


On 8/1/2017 7:50 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
well, the legacy gods smiled upon me today!...that hinged, split nut 
was a mess...the bracket was poorly made by a previous owner and the 
threads were very worn...so I looked through my extra parts and found 
what you see in the two photos...a new, split nut that was left over 
perhaps from my wood chuck machine or the 1200 that I used to extend 
the 1800...I don't remember, but there it was...interesting that it 
attached to the carriage like it was meant to be, and that it is 
angled, not up and down like on the 1800 and other, later legacy 
machines...and I even have another, threaded half of the split nut, as 
a spare, if this one ever wears out(certainly not in my 
lifetime!)...so that was a 10 minute upgrade/repair...and so it 
begins, bringing this machine up to a much better, user friendly, 
condition...the legacy gremlins are now harassing me to continue, 
LOL!...god help me!...joe b.




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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

well, at least I now know what the manual looks like...LOL!...and this is 
for the steel rail legacy units, as it was with an older listing that had 
photos of the machine...and so the hunt continues...joe b.


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

and so it begins!...thank god for computer searches!...quickly found this 
4-wheel, carriage assembly that is specifically designed for the unistrut 
P1000 channel that legacy used on this machine...four of these(two for the 
front rail and two for the back rail), set up with "L" brackets that attach 
to the underside of the "Y" carriage, and the "X" axis is on linear 
bearings...with no modifications needed to the split nut, which keeps the 
time frame down to do this upgrade...a simple nylon bolt(McMaster-carr) can 
be attached to each carriage and adjusted, so the "Y" carriage cannot rise 
upwards when in movement and doing a cut...seems these can be found for 
about $25 each, and possibly less...now need to work out the front-to-back 
tolerance/adjustments and this could be a very simple, inexpensive, linear 
bearing upgrade...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

here is a photo of the split nut used on the lead screw...a bit odd as it 
hinges open and closed...certainly very difficult to replace when it 
becomes worn out and most likely I will set up a split block that was used 
in later machines...the later type is easier to copy and make from 
scratch...trying to avoid getting too involved with this machine...I do 
have a use for it and I got it on the cheap, but finances dictate that I 
can't do my typical "mod" thing...but since there are no parts available, 
(especially for this earlier, 20 year old machine) I guess I have no 
choice...thanks...joe

>
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

hey tim!...thanks for the info...any details on what the Y carriage slid 
on?...i'm guessing some kind of nylon pads, but i'm curious if there was a 
way to adjust them if there was a bit of play between the carriage and the 
rails...perhaps a group member who has this machine can post some 
photos...and the manual situation seems very strange...no manual has 
surfaced to date?...well, hopefully someone is reading these posts and will 
offer the group a copy...again, thanks for the input...joe


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RE: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Bill Bulkeley]

This does look legacy and should mesh if it is legacy try it with one of the 
known legacy gears and see if it does mesh ok. place them both on 6 blocks all 
the same 3 on each gear flat on a table push then together and rotate they will 
either be right or totally wrong

 

That’s to my way of thinking

 

Bill

 

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next up is a close-up of one of the gears...the gears seem to be a bit 
different in that there is no flat spot in the "valley" between two gear teeth, 
as the gears that came with my 1800(and some gears that I purchased from legacy 
not too long ago)...the gear teeth here are pointed and the "valley" also comes 
to a point(i.e. no flat spot)...is this how earlier gears were made?...does 
this type of gear work with the newer type of gears?...thanks...joe

 

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RE: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Bill Bulkeley]

I do not believe that is legacy i have never seen anything like it and it looks 
too roughly made to be genuine and of course it’s not red

 

Bill

 

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i'll start with a photo of the tailstock...is this a legacy piece?...seems to 
fit too well to think that someone found a tailstock from a different machine 
and modified it to fit this legacy...number 2 morse taper...I might think the 
long slots in the base of the tailstock could accommodate some taper 
work?...but how it is made and finished suggests it is not a factory, legacy 
piece...again, I welcome any and all comments and explanations...thanks...joe

 

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Tim Krause]

Hi Joe,

Yes that is a model 1500 in theory.  Essentially a model 1500 is the same as a 
model 1000 except for it came with all the options.  It was built pre 1998.  
The gears that you are seeing are the same as all of the modern aluminum rail 
model 1000.  They are fine pitch so the main gear of the modern machines will 
not work.

The headstock is not a stock model.  The slots do make an interesting idea.  On 
the early machines with no tilt the user would mill from the side to get a 
taper.  Something few people it think even try.

We do not have a copy of the manual for that machine and unfortunately neither 
does Legacy.  If anyone does, please pass it on to myself for legal copyrights 
and distribution.

Did I cover everything?

Tim

As far as the 

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On Jul 31, 2017, 12:16 PM, at 12:16 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
>just picked up this legacy and need assistance in identifying it...I
>looked 
>in the "history of ornamental mills", and it seems this is a 1500 (or 
>1500L?)...the photos show it is of the type with the 1 1/2" X 1 1/2", 
>square , steel tubing as a bed and "uni-strut P-1000" as the
>rails...can 
>anyone pinpoint the year or time frame this machine was made?...serial
># is 
>1656C...has some things that seem a bit odd to me, that if anyone could
>
>explain, would be appreciated(see follow up comments)...also looking
>for 
>the assembly manual/owner's manual, if anyone has that...certainly a 
>download would do...I will include other pictures and/or requests in
>follow 
>up posts...thanks...joe biunno
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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

the entire machine is steel...no aluminum whatsoever...and I actually saw 
some welds!...LOL!...on the leg units...center to center is 87" +/-...but 
other than the lead screw(and a support for it), lengthening this machine 
would seem to be easy as the 1 1/2" square tubing and the uni-strut are 
readily available in longer lengths


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RE: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

[Russ Veinot]

Wow, I have never seen the 1500 up close.  Sure is different than my 1200.  Are 
those rails steel?

 

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and now for some of the ugly!...seems the Y carriage was modified with a ball 
bearing concept...some oak was cut and attached to the underside of the 
carriage...a small bearing was set up on a round headed machine screw that then 
went into the oak...this provided front-to-back, ball bearing action, but 
nothing for the vertical, just the weight of the Y carriage onto the oak and 
thus onto the top of the steel rail, which I might think they perhaps used some 
dyna glide or other material to reduce the friction...what did legacy do 
here?...perhaps some Teflon "pads"?if so, were they adjustable so there 
would be little to no play in the carriage?...and adjustable for wear?...a 
photo of the original set up, as it came from legacy, would be very 
helpful...or the owner's manual would answer all of these 
questions...thanks...joe

 

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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

and now for some of the ugly!...seems the Y carriage was modified with a 
ball bearing concept...some oak was cut and attached to the underside of 
the carriage...a small bearing was set up on a round headed machine screw 
that then went into the oak...this provided front-to-back, ball bearing 
action, but nothing for the vertical, just the weight of the Y carriage 
onto the oak and thus onto the top of the steel rail, which I might think 
they perhaps used some dyna glide or other material to reduce the 
friction...what did legacy do here?...perhaps some Teflon "pads"?if so, 
were they adjustable so there would be little to no play in the 
carriage?...and adjustable for wear?...a photo of the original set up, as 
it came from legacy, would be very helpful...or the owner's manual would 
answer all of these questions...thanks...joe


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Re: need help in identifying a 1500 (?)

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

i'll start with a photo of the tailstock...is this a legacy piece?...seems 
to fit too well to think that someone found a tailstock from a different 
machine and modified it to fit this legacy...number 2 morse taper...I might 
think the long slots in the base of the tailstock could accommodate some 
taper work?...but how it is made and finished suggests it is not a factory, 
legacy piece...again, I welcome any and all comments and 
explanations...thanks...joe


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