RE: my burnt mill
I am interested Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger H Phebey Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012 8:05 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: my burnt mill Importance: High Hi Bill I have one of each complete Head Stock Tail Stock Assemblies, mint condition! Regards Roger From: legacy-ornamental-mills+bncbcvjzhxc2qjrb4wdvscqkgqenjvm...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+bncBCVJZHXC2QJRB4WDVSCQKGQENJVM3HI@googlegro ups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley Sent: 20 November 2012 06:24 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: my burnt mill Tim The latest is I have some bearings that might work but I have not had a chance to try them yet these days I have so many dramas going on I don't get much time in the shop I will let you know as soon as I check Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 3:48 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: my burnt mill Bill, I found my notes. The tapered bearing is a 09067 and the race is a 09195. That's a 3/4 bore with an OD of 1.938 and a width of .71. The other bearing is a CSB205-16 as I mentioned originally. So my question is do you have any updates on this part? Last I recall you might have found some bearings that would fit the delrin style headstock. -Tim - Original Message - From: Tim Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill There's differences between the spindles on the two machines as well as the height of the headstock units. I'd love to get specific, but I can't find my notes on this and it's really bugging me. -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- -- _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: my burnt mill
Bill, I found my notes. The tapered bearing is a 09067 and the race is a 09195. That's a 3/4 bore with an OD of 1.938 and a width of .71. The other bearing is a CSB205-16 as I mentioned originally. So my question is do you have any updates on this part? Last I recall you might have found some bearings that would fit the delrin style headstock. -Tim - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill There's differences between the spindles on the two machines as well as the height of the headstock units. I'd love to get specific, but I can't find my notes on this and it's really bugging me. -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: my burnt mill
Tim The latest is I have some bearings that might work but I have not had a chance to try them yet these days I have so many dramas going on I don't get much time in the shop I will let you know as soon as I check Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 3:48 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: my burnt mill Bill, I found my notes. The tapered bearing is a 09067 and the race is a 09195. That's a 3/4 bore with an OD of 1.938 and a width of .71. The other bearing is a CSB205-16 as I mentioned originally. So my question is do you have any updates on this part? Last I recall you might have found some bearings that would fit the delrin style headstock. -Tim - Original Message - From: Tim Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill There's differences between the spindles on the two machines as well as the height of the headstock units. I'd love to get specific, but I can't find my notes on this and it's really bugging me. -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- -- _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5376 - Release Date: 11/05/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: my burnt mill
Good morning all Bill .I don't know what you have as far as ball bearings company's around you, but I know that there are thousands of ball bearings sets and stiles out there, you should be able to find something to fit the bill? I would first try to true up the old head stock shaft , have it turned on a lathe to remove any and all warpage that may have happened due to the fire, then go to a ball bearing company to see what that have. Another idea is to call Legacy and see if they will sell you a new ball bearing set to replace the old one lost in the fire? A third idea here is to pore a Babbitt for the head stock your self ? I wish you luck, getting your machine back together. I know it will happen, the only questions, that I see are,How and When. ;-) Have a good day. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 2:08 AM Subject: Re: my burnt mill here its very difficult to get a accurate size who knows what the heat did to the dimentions of them Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill Ok, my second best guess would be the 09074 bearing with a 09194 race. Timken brand. The od is 1.938 and the width of the cup (race) would be .6875. I'm positive about the other bearing. -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill sorry I cant confirm the bearing numbers they are too far gone to read anything but the sizes of the tapered bearing are ID .748 OD 1.935 the other bearing ID 1.000 and OD 2.045 these sizes might be out by 1or 2 thousands because of all the heat they have been through here is pics comparing the 2 different headstocks you were correct as usual Tim :) Bill - Original Message - From: Tim Krause To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: Re: my burnt mill Curt, the larger bearing is a pillow block style bearing ( CSB 205-16 ) but it uses a Legacy laser cut mount instead of the standard pillow block. The tapered bearing (can't find the numbers for the race and bearing at this moment ) also has a custom mount. Bill can you confirm if the tapered bearing is a LM11949/LM11910? The bore id is .750, od 1.781 and the width is .655. There's differences between the spindles on the two machines as well as the height of the headstock units. I'd love to get specific, but I can't find my notes on this and it's really bugging me. I also think you will have clearance issues trying to find a small bearing to work on the standard 900 with the delrin bushings. If you can find bearings to fit the delrin style headstock that would be a very desirable upgrade. -Tim - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- -- -- -- -- --
Re: my burnt mill
Bill, If you don't go with OEM bearings, make sure to get the same type of bearing. In the pictures you sent, it looks like the aft roller bearing and race are slightly tapered. This allows the bearing to operate with axial loading...such as the force caused by the tailstock when you clamp in your work. With that said, they also only work one way (typically) so when you install them, make sure the bearing is facing the correct direction. Good Luck!! --
Re: my burnt mill
Thay dont look so bad Bill! Just put some more grease on them, The fire may have even trued them up for you. ;-p Finding new pillow blocks should not be so hard. I wish you luck. Let us know how it turns out. ;-) C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- --
Re: my burnt mill
Hay Bill was there anything else that you may be able to salvage? like the MT#2 tail stock, or any gears? C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- --
Re: my burnt mill
not much as yet a couple of the standard gears with the index holes in so far but i have not had time to try and clean up what i pulled from the rubble it has taken till now to start I couldn't bear to go near it for a while a bit to sad but as time passes its easier the hard part about the legacy stuff is it was so much aluminum which just disintegrated in the heat and finding anything at all was hard but I will keep you posted on it all Bill - Original Message - From: curt george To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: my burnt mill Hay Bill was there anything else that you may be able to salvage? like the MT#2 tail stock, or any gears? C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Bill Bulkeley To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: my burnt mill I pulled the burnt bearings out of the headstock of my destroyed 900 today here is what they look like if no one has seen the ball bearing bearings before im going to try and buy something similar here and convert the delrin sleeves in the 900 i got over to ball bearings if i can Bill -- -- --
