RE: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

[Kirsten Bowman]

Pat (and Jess, too):

One day you'll probably be very thankful that you *did* write all those
"little notes."  It's often not enough to simply record where you found
something; you need to also record exactly what you found and, as Elizabeth
says, the place to do that is in the comments or detail section of the
source citation.  I quote text there exactly as I find it and couldn't count
the number of times that has saved me from having to re-check the original
source.  I think it also adds considerable credibility to your citations
when you quote text--especially when your findings differ from other
researchers.

Kirsten

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Hickin
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing


Elizabeth wrote: "Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to
separately source the date and place of any event. "

That is SO true and for the life of me I do not understand why this is
the case.  I wish someone would explain the reasoning behind it.  I get
tired of having to write little notes --

Pat

Elizabeth Richardson wrote:
> Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to separately source
> the date and place of any event. However, you can add your comment in
> the source that this is where you found the date, and, if you later
> learn the place, you can make a comment in that source too.
>
> Elizabeth
> researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson
>
> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Morgan"
>
>> But I don't want to source the entire marraiage lock, stock, and
>> barrel, so to speak.
>> I only want to source the information I have, in this case it is just
>> the date. Sourcing the "where" would be inaccurate if it is not
>> included in this source, would it not? As would the source status and
>> status date, if they are not referenced at all.
>>
>> I must be wanting it to do something it cannot.
>>
>> Thank you for your response.
>>
>> Jess





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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

[Wynthner]

To the best of my knowledge there is no softwware package that allows 
individual sourcing of the day, month, and year of a date, in the same vein 
there is no package that allows individual sourcing of street number, street, 
city, county, state, and country. I've never understood just why all packages 
don't allow this. It seems the most natural thing in the world!



- Original Message 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

Elizabeth wrote: "Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to 
separately source the date and place of any event. "

That is SO true and for the life of me I do not understand why this is 
the case.  I wish someone would explain the reasoning behind it.  I get 
tired of having to write little notes --

Pat







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RE: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

[Jan Roberts]

I can't quite see why this is a problem.  Surely it takes but a second or
two to write a little note (the source text /comment tab would seem to be
the ideal place) or to add the single word (date) or (place) etc. in the
source detail.  I can't see how it is any different to having two sources
which give slightly different information for say a name - in this case I
would 'write a little note' to explain the difference.  Sometimes I have a
source for a surname (for example an obituary might alert me to the fact
that a woman married a JONES - e.g. survived by his daughter Mrs Mary JONES)
and later I find that Mary's husband was Fred JONES.  One source is relevant
to the surname of her husband; the other is relevant to his first name.  I
have to make a note about each.

Cheers,
Jan
 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

Elizabeth wrote: "Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to 
separately source the date and place of any event. "

That is SO true and for the life of me I do not understand why this is 
the case.  I wish someone would explain the reasoning behind it.  I get 
tired of having to write little notes --

Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sending Legacy data by email

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Jerry,

"I just joined the user group."

Welcome!  :-)  Please take a few moments to look over the links provided 
at the end of every list post.  Especially the guidelines, which will 
tell you that you should post only in plain text, and that you should 
turn off the "return receipt" when you post, amongst other useful things.


"Can data be sent by email from Legacy?"

Yes, you can email your data to other people.

If the other person is using Legacy, you can attach a .fdb file, which 
is the Legacy data file.  Take care to note if you are both using the 
same version of Legacy - if I recall correctly, a later version will 
read any earlier version's data files, but the older ones may not read a 
file from a newer version.


It does not matter if one of you is using Deluxe, and the other 
Standard, within the same version - the file is the same, but the 
Standard user won't be able to access any data stored in the Deluxe 
areas, is all.


If the other person does not have Legacy but uses another program, you 
can export your data to a GEDCOM file and email that.  Most, if not all, 
genealogy/family history programs know how to import a GEDCOM file into 
their own format.


Consider carefully whether you want to send your entire database, or 
create a new file that contains only a part of your data (by copying 
your file and then editing it).  For example, I've recently started 
correspondence with my mother's cousin and am going to send her a copy 
of my file - but I'm only going to send her those branches that are 
common to us both.


The Help files in Legacy are very good, and you will find a lot of 
information about all of this there.  Look up "export" and "focus 
groups" to start you on that journey.


If the other person doesn't yet use a genealogy program, you can 
generate reports in Legacy and save those on your hard drive to then email.


Other people, when I make contact and want to share information, often 
receive a Ancestor or Descendant Chart from me in the first instance; my 
current practise is to save the chart as a plain text file (.txt) and 
then copy and paste the text into my email (rather than attaching a file 
to the email), and change the font to a non-proportional one (such as 
Courier) so the layout appears as intended.  If our discussions 
progress, then I will consider sending them a file containing more of my 
data, sources, etc.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage sourcing

[Pat Hickin]

Elizabeth wrote: "Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to 
separately source the date and place of any event. "


That is SO true and for the life of me I do not understand why this is 
the case.  I wish someone would explain the reasoning behind it.  I get 
tired of having to write little notes --


Pat

Elizabeth Richardson wrote:
Jess, you will see that Legacy does not allow you to separately source 
the date and place of any event. However, you can add your comment in 
the source that this is where you found the date, and, if you later 
learn the place, you can make a comment in that source too.


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson

- Original Message - From: "Jessica Morgan"


But I don't want to source the entire marraiage lock, stock, and
barrel, so to speak.
I only want to source the information I have, in this case it is just
the date. Sourcing the "where" would be inaccurate if it is not
included in this source, would it not? As would the source status and
status date, if they are not referenced at all.

I must be wanting it to do something it cannot.

Thank you for your response.

Jess


On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Lill Ann Parry
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jess,

That is normal. Open the assigned sources for the marriage event and 
you

should see that only the marriage has been sourced.

Lill Ann

Jessica Morgan wrote:


I am adding some people to my database, and in doing so I've noticed
what appears to me to be quriky behavior of the marriage source
options.

Please correct me if I am wrong, and/or clarify the means/methodology.

I am adding my source as I go along, I'm adding people all from the
same book source, which I've created with the new source writer
template. As my pages change I simply update the detail with the new
page number. I then save to source clipboard, over writing what was
previously there and copy to the individuals and marraiges on that
page as I add them.

In the marriage screen there are two options for pasting source
clipboard. 1) Add clipboard source to marraige event 2) Add clipboard
source to all used fields.

When using option 2, it "reds" out all fields in the marraige event,
not just the one(s) I have filled in.

For instance, for my current marraige I only have a date, so I enter
that. However the source clipboard "add clipboard source to all used
fields" "reds" (meaning it's sourced) these fields: marraige date, in,
status, status date.








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[LegacyUG] GPS for Individual Graves locations

[Sheri Harris]

Being a beginner genealogist and learning Legacy (v7), I'm wondering how to
enter GPS coordinates for individual graves in a cemetery? I'm using the
address icon, the little house icon, for the cemetery's main address but
only has one field for lat/long coordinates, and I'm also entering the
address in the location field, for example in the cemetery event;
Description: Greenwood Cemetery, Date: Date of burial and the Location:
Chattanooga 1954 Greenwood Rd, Hamilton, Tennessee, USA. I'm using the event
address (the little house icon again) mostly for correspondence reasons
since I can put in telephone numbers, e-mail, etc. I have several cemeteries
that are quite large and my relatives are spread out all over. It just
doesn't seem logical to enter a new location for each individual grave i.e.,
Chattanooga - lat/long coord, Hamilton, Tennessee, USA. I'm also wanting to
do this with some other locations that don't have or aren't associated with
a particular address. Right now I'm putting the information in the event
notes field along with a short description of the marker, and on a
spreadsheet. I would like to have a report that would print out the
individuals in the cemetery and the coordinates. I thought about creating a
new event just for the coordinates, would that work or is there another way?


 

Thanks for the help!

Sheri Harris





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sending Legacy data by email

[JLB]

I don't think there's any such thing inside Legacy, but whatever you 
want to email, just export or print it first and then email as usual.

JL
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Jerry & or Elsie Reimer wrote:

Can data be sent by email from Legacy?  I use Legacy 6 deluxe.
I just joined the user group.
Jerry Reimer

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Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?

[JLB]

You choose the tag number and just untag that one, and so on with the 
others that need untagging, rather than untagging all at once.

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ronald ferguson wrote:

Rich,

I am curious! I have noticed you (at least I think it was you?) make the suggestion of 
reserving a specific tag before. I regularly need to clear (say) all tag numbers 1,2,3 
and to do this use "Clear all tags". How would one do this without clearing tag 
9?


Ron Ferguson

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:58:20 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

If this group is going to be a continuous thing, with
minimal changes, I would choose a tag number to be
used exclusively. I created one, using 9, that
includes direct line ancestors for my family, adopted
children and spouse-in-laws.
Rich in LA CA

--- Cheryl  wrote:



I would like to print a report or something that
shows all people in a
certain generation-say mine? This would be easy with
split trees, but I have
my family and my husbands' plus step-families
included in one file. I also
have my children in the file so I could start with
them to bring in both
families but where would I go from there? Any ideas
would be greatly
appreciated! Thanks in advance!



Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  


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Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?

[Elizabeth Richardson]

You can go to Advanced Tagging [Control-T] and do them one at a time. Click 
Untag toward the top of the screen, select which tag # is desired, then 
click on Everyone. This will apply the operation only to the tag selected. 
Repeat for the next untagging operation.


Elizabeth
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- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?



Rich,

I am curious! I have noticed you (at least I think it was you?) make the 
suggestion of reserving a specific tag before. I regularly need to clear 
(say) all tag numbers 1,2,3 and to do this use "Clear all tags". How would 
one do this without clearing tag 9?



Ron Ferguson

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http://www.fergys.co.uk
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:58:20 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

If this group is going to be a continuous thing, with
minimal changes, I would choose a tag number to be
used exclusively. I created one, using 9, that
includes direct line ancestors for my family, adopted
children and spouse-in-laws.
Rich in LA CA

--- Cheryl  wrote:


I would like to print a report or something that
shows all people in a
certain generation-say mine? This would be easy with
split trees, but I have
my family and my husbands' plus step-families
included in one file. I also
have my children in the file so I could start with
them to bring in both
families but where would I go from there? Any ideas
would be greatly
appreciated! Thanks in advance!



Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED]






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RE: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report

[ronald ferguson]

> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:38:48 +0100
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report
>
>
> It does look slightly odd to have the Event Address tacked on at the
> end, and because I only enter the Street Address there (to avoid
> repetition) it ends with a comma on the Chronology Report. However, if I
> could have the location at the start of the description but *not* in
> reverse order, I might well be finally persuaded to include street
> addresses in locations. (I am beginning to lean that way!)
>
> What do other LUGgers feel about this? Would you like an additional
> option to display the location at the beginning of the description in
> City, State, Country, Order? If this seems popular with LUGgers I will
> put in a new feature suggestion, but if I am alone on this I won't
> bother!
> --
> Jenny M Benson
>

Jenny,

It might be because it's the early hours for us Brits but I am not clear about 
the above comment.

As you know I have always used the full address in the location field and am 
happy with the reverse order (although I'm fine about having the option to use 
either). However I am not clear about "ends with a comma". I do not use a 
separate field for house/number, incorporating it in the same field as the 
street - so mine reads: England, Lancashire, Eccles, 999 Park Street. I have 
been trying putting the house name/number in a separate field and your comment 
has made me realise that for the Chronological Report, in reverse it would 
read: England, Lancashire, Eccles, Park Street, 999 which whilst horrible , and 
has made me quickly go back to my previous practice ;-), it does not have a 
comma at the end - so where is your comma?. Anyhow, maybe your suggestion 
should be implemented! 

Ron Ferguson

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RE: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?

[ronald ferguson]

Rich,

I am curious! I have noticed you (at least I think it was you?) make the 
suggestion of reserving a specific tag before. I regularly need to clear (say) 
all tag numbers 1,2,3 and to do this use "Clear all tags". How would one do 
this without clearing tag 9?


Ron Ferguson

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http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_




> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:58:20 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>
> If this group is going to be a continuous thing, with
> minimal changes, I would choose a tag number to be
> used exclusively. I created one, using 9, that
> includes direct line ancestors for my family, adopted
> children and spouse-in-laws.
> Rich in LA CA
>
> --- Cheryl  wrote:
>
>> I would like to print a report or something that
>> shows all people in a
>> certain generation-say mine? This would be easy with
>> split trees, but I have
>> my family and my husbands' plus step-families
>> included in one file. I also
>> have my children in the file so I could start with
>> them to bring in both
>> families but where would I go from there? Any ideas
>> would be greatly
>> appreciated! Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

If this group is going to be a continuous thing, with
minimal changes, I would choose a tag number to be
used exclusively. I created one, using 9, that
includes direct line ancestors for my family, adopted
children and spouse-in-laws.
Rich in LA CA

--- Cheryl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to print a report or something that
> shows all people in a
> certain generation-say mine? This would be easy with
> split trees, but I have
> my family and my husbands' plus step-families
> included in one file. I also
> have my children in the file so I could start with
> them to bring in both
> families but where would I go from there? Any ideas
> would be greatly
> appreciated! Thanks in advance!
> 
>  
> 
> Cheryl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Jenny M Benson]

Elizabeth Richardson wrote
Jenny, instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole (using the 
source template that doesn't quite fit your wanted source formatting), 
why don't you just use the basic source method for any specific source 
for which the Source Writer is inappropriate? This, by the way, is not 
my poking at the Source Writer. I'm actually a little more curious if 
this is one of those sources where neither will quite fit the bill and 
wondering if there is "another way to skin the cat."


Because I would only want to "tweak" some existing Templates and would 
want all my Sources to follow a "pattern" set by the Templates and it 
isn't possible to reproduce what I would want using the Basic System.


I realise I am being ultra fussy ... I'm just expressing a wish for 
something which would be a nice little extra, but I am well old enough 
to know by now that we cannot expect to get everything we would like in 
this world and I'm sensible enough to try and be happy with what I've 
got!!

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report

[Jenny M Benson]

Phil Hawkins wrote

In the same manner as my other post regarding events

Again, you seem to be having a problem reading my messages. You are 
addressing an issue quite separate from the one I raised.  I have no 
problem with Event Sentences and always write my own. Locations and 
addresses appear in Reports as I like them to do.


If you put the actual address in the description field not the Master 
location field, and change the sentence to suit, you will get something 
like


"1841   Census   2 Smith Road,   Blacktown, Yorkshire, England" This 
will also appear on other reports in a similar manner


I am referring specifically to the Chronology Tab and the Chronology 
Report .  Any Event appears as follows:


Age  Date  Birth  Event Name  Details

in columns across the screen or page.  There is an option for the 
Details to begin with the Location in Country, State, County, City 
order.  If this option is not selected, the location may appear at the 
start or it may not, depending on the item.  If an Event Address is used 
(and Event includes Birth, Baptism, Death and Burial) it always appears 
at the end of the Details.


I would like the option to select for Details to begin with City, 
County, State, Country.


I hope I make myself clear now.



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Re: Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Jenny M Benson]

Phil Hawkins wrote
Why use 'sentence override' every time you use a source? Change the 
Event Sentence  itself!!


I'm not talking about Event Sentences, I'm talking about Source Template 
overrides.  Entirely different thing.


I'm saying I wish you could create Source Templates in the same way you 
can create Event Sentences, rather than having to use Overrides 
(overriding the Source Citation produced by a Template) every time.

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Re: Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Elizabeth Richardson]

Phil, can you explain how changing an event sentence changes the way a 
source is formatted?


Jenny, instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole (using the 
source template that doesn't quite fit your wanted source formatting), why 
don't you just use the basic source method for any specific source for which 
the Source Writer is inappropriate? This, by the way, is not my poking at 
the Source Writer. I'm actually a little more curious if this is one of 
those sources where neither will quite fit the bill and wondering if there 
is "another way to skin the cat."


Elizabeth
researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson
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SourceWriter template




Jenny
Why use 'sentence override' every time you use a source?
Change the Event Sentence  itself!!
If you click on an event for any individual and select edit you will to
taken to the event screen. At the bottom is an option to 'edit event
sentence definition'. Click on it.
You will be taken to a new screen that allows you to enter what you want

If, for example you are referencing a census event the default phrasing if
all fields are filled is "[HeShe] appeared on the [Desc] census [onDate]
[inPlace] [Source] [Notes]"

Change the sentence to one that suits you, adding fields from the list at
the bottom, and you will have a event description to suit you every time 
you

use that event

Remember to change the other sentences underneath if you do not have all 
the

fields filled in

Regards
Phil



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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

[Bob Meadow]

Go to browser an put in longitude lttude that may help . You genealogist are 
far beyond me the computer area + legancy
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format


It would be nice if Legacy would give you a choice of which one to work 
with

like all the other Options.

---Original Message--- 


From: Pat Hickin
Date: 7/30/2008 10:01:10 AM
To: LEGACY
Subject: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

Findagrave gives the plot location of a grave as

GPS 37.36263 - 79.84933

Legacy won't accept it and says, in the Help section (I couldn't copy
The error message but in effect it's the same thing):

"The latitude and longitude must be in the form of degrees, minutes and
Seconds. The degrees must be between 0 and 90, if a latitude, and
Between 0 and 180, if a longitude. The minutes and seconds must be
Between 0 and 59. The seconds can have up to three decimal places after
It. E.G. 681234.293.)"

I don't know how to translate it to get minutes and seconds to numbers < 
60.



This is the first time I've attempted to enter Lat and Long.

Can anyone give me some pointers?

Thanks,
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RE: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report

[Phil Hawkins]

Jenny
In the same manner as my other post regarding events

If you put the actual address in the description field not the Master
location field, and change the sentence to suit, you will get something like

"1841   Census   2 Smith Road,   Blacktown, Yorkshire, England"
This will also appear on other reports in a similar manner depending on how
you altered the sentencing, e.g.,
" He appeared on the 1841 census at 2 Smith Road, Blacktown, Yorkshire,
England" ([Source] [Notes] if they are there.)

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RE: Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Phil Hawkins]

Jenny
Why use 'sentence override' every time you use a source?
Change the Event Sentence  itself!!
 If you click on an event for any individual and select edit you will to
taken to the event screen. At the bottom is an option to 'edit event
sentence definition'. Click on it.
You will be taken to a new screen that allows you to enter what you want

If, for example you are referencing a census event the default phrasing if
all fields are filled is "[HeShe] appeared on the [Desc] census [onDate]
[inPlace] [Source] [Notes]"

Change the sentence to one that suits you, adding fields from the list at
the bottom, and you will have a event description to suit you every time you
use that event

Remember to change the other sentences underneath if you do not have all the
fields filled in

Regards
Phil



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Re: [LegacyUG] What happened to the Book marks for the new Source Writer

[Jenny M Benson]

Barb Weed wrote
Hi, It use to be that when I went through the new Source Writer and 
created the template, I could ,before clicking on step 2, save the 
template with a bookmark and it would be listed in the box at the 
bottom of the screen.  That does not happen now.  What happened?  Did I 
do something wrong or is it broke? I noticed this after I updated to 
7.055. Does anyone else have this problem? If not how do I fix it?


You asked about this problem before and I requested that you give us 
more information about the steps you were taking as I was unable to 
reproduce your problem.  As far as I know you did not come back with any 
more information.


I have just tried again to create Template Bookmarks and again I have 
had no problems doing so.


Please state *exactly* what you are doing at each stage of the process 
and I will see if you are doing anything differently to what I do and if 
I can replicate your problem.

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[LegacyUG] Thankyou

[Lyall Mitchell]

Hello
Thank you to those of you who answered my question regarding adding photos
to the Free Version of Legacy.
All is OK now.
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[LegacyUG] What happened to the Book marks for the new Source Writer

[Barb Weed]

Hi, It use to be that when I went through the new Source Writer and created the 
template, I could ,before clicking on step 2, save the template with a bookmark 
and it would be listed in the box at the bottom of the screen.  That does not 
happen now.  What happened?  Did I do something wrong or is it broke? I noticed 
this after I updated to 7.055. Does anyone else have this problem? If not how 
do I fix it?
Barb



  



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Re: [LegacyUG] Chronology Report

[Cathy Vallevieni]

Jenny:

You have my YES vote.  I've already sent a suggestion to Legacy.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:38 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote:
I am always wondering if there are better ways of doing something in 
Legacy than the way I have previously chosen and I try out different 
ideas to see how they look on screen or present in Reports.


Thinking about Events and how best to display them, I opened the 
Chronology tab, which I have hardly ever bothered with before, 
beyond an occasional glance.  As one of my ideas had been to display 
Events as "Date  Event Name ..." instead of "Event Name:  On Date 
..." the first thing that struck me was the Chronology display was 
exactly that and I really liked it.


Then I looked at the various options for a Chronology Report and 
found lots of good things.  There was just one element which did not 
please me and cannot be altered the way I would like.  On the 
Options>Formatting tab there is a check box to Emphasise locations 
by displaying in reverse order at beginning of description. Yes, I 
like to emphasise locations by displaying at beginning of 
description, but definitely not in reverse order.


It does look slightly odd to have the Event Address tacked on at the 
end, and because I only enter the Street Address there (to avoid 
repetition) it ends with a comma on the Chronology Report. However, 
if I could have the location at the start of the description but 
*not* in reverse order, I might well be finally persuaded to include 
street addresses in locations.  (I am beginning to lean that way!)


What do other LUGgers feel about this?  Would you like an additional 
option to display the location at the beginning of the description 
in City, State, Country, Order?  If this seems popular with LUGgers 
I will put in a new feature suggestion, but if I am alone on this I 
won't bother!

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[LegacyUG] Can I do this in Legacy7?

[Cheryl]

I would like to print a report or something that shows all people in a
certain generation-say mine? This would be easy with split trees, but I have
my family and my husbands' plus step-families included in one file. I also
have my children in the file so I could start with them to bring in both
families but where would I go from there? Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated! Thanks in advance!

 

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[LegacyUG] Chronology Report

[Jenny M Benson]

I am always wondering if there are better ways of doing something in 
Legacy than the way I have previously chosen and I try out different 
ideas to see how they look on screen or present in Reports.


Thinking about Events and how best to display them, I opened the 
Chronology tab, which I have hardly ever bothered with before, beyond an 
occasional glance.  As one of my ideas had been to display Events as 
"Date  Event Name ..." instead of "Event Name:  On Date ..." the first 
thing that struck me was the Chronology display was exactly that and I 
really liked it.


Then I looked at the various options for a Chronology Report and found 
lots of good things.  There was just one element which did not please me 
and cannot be altered the way I would like.  On the Options>Formatting 
tab there is a check box to Emphasise locations by displaying in reverse 
order at beginning of description. Yes, I like to emphasise locations by 
displaying at beginning of description, but definitely not in reverse 
order.


It does look slightly odd to have the Event Address tacked on at the 
end, and because I only enter the Street Address there (to avoid 
repetition) it ends with a comma on the Chronology Report. However, if I 
could have the location at the start of the description but *not* in 
reverse order, I might well be finally persuaded to include street 
addresses in locations.  (I am beginning to lean that way!)


What do other LUGgers feel about this?  Would you like an additional 
option to display the location at the beginning of the description in 
City, State, Country, Order?  If this seems popular with LUGgers I will 
put in a new feature suggestion, but if I am alone on this I won't 
bother!

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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations

[Melody B]

Yep, that's what I'm doing.  It's actually a problem with many of my Master
Sources.  So, I just tagged everyone in my file with a 1 and am going
through 1 Master Source at a time (working on a subset makes it more
manageable), doing a search on that Master Source and the tag I've chosen.

Oy!

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I understand the problem.
> First clear the tag you will be using so no tags are
> there.
> Go into the Master Source list. Highlight the source
> (s) causing the problem.
> Choose Show list.
> Go to Search Tag?
> Tag each person.
> You have to do it piecemeal, but I would not want to
> be able to remove ALL, ever, I would probably lose a
> lot more than intended. Remove the tag from each
> person as finished. At least you KNOW there are no
> more lurking behind that source.
> Rich in LA CA
>
> --- Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It's not the master sources I'm having difficulties
> > with.  It's the
> > citations on individual events.  For example, for
> > the birth event of Nerdly
> > Pfool, there will be 5 citations which not only all
> > reference the same
> > Master Source but also have exactly - and I do mean
> > Exactly - the same info
> > in the citation itself - details, text, comments,
> > etc.
> >
> > This is compounded by the fact that sometimes I have
> > several different
> > Master Sources for an individual's event and each
> > citation referencing those
> > many Master Sources has been duplicated many, many
> > times.
> >
> > I've already eliminated duplicate Master Sources.
> > My problem is duplicate
> > citations.
> >
>
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Re: Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Jenny M Benson]

Ward Walker wrote


(Regarding overrides, I also don't see anyway to get rid of the 
'privately held' phrase, if you try to hijack the letter template and 
turn it into a phone call source. I also don't see a way to create a 
whole new template. Of course you can create your own source the old 
way, without the SourceWriter wizard.)


I wish there was a way to create one's own templates in much the same 
way as one can create new Sentence Definitions for Events. Very often I 
find a SourceWriter Template gives me *almost* exactly what I want but 
not quite and I end up having to use Overrides every time I use that 
particular Source.I don't mind using an Override occasionally when 
there is an odd instance that differs from the norm, but it's a bit 
annoying when you have to do it for all the instances of a Master 
Source.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I understand the problem. 
First clear the tag you will be using so no tags are
there.
Go into the Master Source list. Highlight the source
(s) causing the problem.
Choose Show list.
Go to Search Tag?
Tag each person.
You have to do it piecemeal, but I would not want to
be able to remove ALL, ever, I would probably lose a
lot more than intended. Remove the tag from each
person as finished. At least you KNOW there are no
more lurking behind that source.
Rich in LA CA

--- Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's not the master sources I'm having difficulties
> with.  It's the
> citations on individual events.  For example, for
> the birth event of Nerdly
> Pfool, there will be 5 citations which not only all
> reference the same
> Master Source but also have exactly - and I do mean
> Exactly - the same info
> in the citation itself - details, text, comments,
> etc.
> 
> This is compounded by the fact that sometimes I have
> several different
> Master Sources for an individual's event and each
> citation referencing those
> many Master Sources has been duplicated many, many
> times.
> 
> I've already eliminated duplicate Master Sources. 
> My problem is duplicate
> citations.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations

[Melody B]

It's not the master sources I'm having difficulties with.  It's the
citations on individual events.  For example, for the birth event of Nerdly
Pfool, there will be 5 citations which not only all reference the same
Master Source but also have exactly - and I do mean Exactly - the same info
in the citation itself - details, text, comments, etc.

This is compounded by the fact that sometimes I have several different
Master Sources for an individual's event and each citation referencing those
many Master Sources has been duplicated many, many times.

I've already eliminated duplicate Master Sources.  My problem is duplicate
citations.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Paul Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello;
> Open your  master source list:
> Select Options
> Select Combine Duplicates
> Another Method
> Select Main Menu option File
> Select File Maintenance
> Click Proceed
> Check the various boxes for what you want to save and what can be merged if
> duplicated
> Click Proceed.
> Answer the question to your preferrence.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Paul Croteau
> www.bkglrc.com
> www.pdcroteau.com
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 12:17:42 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations
>
>
> Possibly due to merges, I have multiples of the exact same source citation
> for many events on an individual - on a very large number of my people.
>
> I'd like to get rid of the duplicates?
>
> Any way other than by hand?
>
> A side question would be if I have to do it by hand is there any way to
> select those individuals which have a particular master source referenced
> more than once for any event? (obviously a master source will be referenced
> more than once for an individual, but I'm talking on the event level for
> that individual)
>
> Or, is there any way to get the source citations to be sorted when I'm
> viewing the sources for an individual?
>
> --
> Take care,
> Melody
> If not now, when?
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Sourcing phone calls. Was: Re: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Ward Walker]

Elaine,

Good question. I've just been reading 'Evidence Explained' for the first 
time and still getting used to proper sourcing. I think the key here is that 
there is no artifact or reference that another researcher can look up, as 
there would be with a letter or a transcript of an interview. Perhaps the 
correct source is 'Personal Knowledge', where the person with whom you were 
speaking is listed in the source. It is bad form to cite another person's 
source that you have not yet personally seen, so you can only cite that 
person's word. You could add that the information was conveyed to you in a 
phone call, either in the Text/Comments tab of the master source or in the 
detail for the specific citation. You could even mention how that person 
knows the information, if not in the published citation (gets kind of long 
and awkward) then at least in your comments stored with the source in 
Legacy.


I've got so many sources to rewrite.

(Regarding overrides, I also don't see anyway to get rid of the 'privately 
held' phrase, if you try to hijack the letter template and turn it into a 
phone call source. I also don't see a way to create a whole new template. Of 
course you can create your own source the old way, without the SourceWriter 
wizard.)


  Ward

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To: 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template



I am trying to source a phone conversation. I started with interview,
then tried letter. Neither really fits the bill. I was able to
override the output in the detail, but can't get rid of privately
held. I don't even see where it's coming from.


Is there any place I can create my own template?
thanks
Elaine






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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations

[Paul Croteau]

Hello;  
Open your  master source list:
Select Options
Select Combine Duplicates
Another Method
Select Main Menu option File
Select File Maintenance
Click Proceed
Check the various boxes for what you want to save and what can be merged if 
duplicated
Click Proceed.
Answer the question to your preferrence.
 
Thank you,
 
Paul Croteau
www.bkglrc.com
www.pdcroteau.com




- Original Message 
From: Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Legacy User Group 
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 12:17:42 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations


Possibly due to merges, I have multiples of the exact same source citation for 
many events on an individual - on a very large number of my people.

I'd like to get rid of the duplicates?
 
Any way other than by hand?
 
A side question would be if I have to do it by hand is there any way to select 
those individuals which have a particular master source referenced more than 
once for any event? (obviously a master source will be referenced more than 
once for an individual, but I'm talking on the event level for that individual)
 
Or, is there any way to get the source citations to be sorted when I'm viewing 
the sources for an individual?

-- 
Take care,
Melody
If not now, when?

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[LegacyUG] Removing duplicate source citations

[Melody B]

Possibly due to merges, I have multiples of the exact same source citation
for many events on an individual - on a very large number of my people.

I'd like to get rid of the duplicates?

Any way other than by hand?

A side question would be if I have to do it by hand is there any way to
select those individuals which have a particular master source referenced
more than once for any event? (obviously a master source will be referenced
more than once for an individual, but I'm talking on the event level for
that individual)

Or, is there any way to get the source citations to be sorted when I'm
viewing the sources for an individual?

-- 
Take care,
Melody
If not now, when?




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[LegacyUG] overrides in SourceWriter template

[Elaine Shuman]

I am trying to source a phone conversation. I started with interview,
then tried letter. Neither really fits the bill. I was able to
override the output in the detail, but can't get rid of privately
held. I don't even see where it's coming from.


Is there any place I can create my own template?
thanks
Elaine



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RE: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

[Dave]

Well, I disagree.   Using your logic you can take anything to do with Legacy
and keep going and going and going.  Before long anything can be tied back
to Legacy.   I think the list rules are perfectly clear.And I fail to
understand why some users think they have the right to stretch them to meet
their own wishes.

The thread started out about entering longitude and latitude into Legacy.
That person got their question answered and said so.   But others just
couldn’t stop. One of them even mentioned that it had "reached the end of
relevance to Legacy".  They were right.   Below are some quotes after it
strayed.   They sure don't seem to have anything to do with Legacy and its
add-ons to me.

BTW, nothing keeps people from chatting offline about anything they want to.
But why do all of the subscribers have to read it?







Ahem! If you had never seen the rocky southeast Alaska coastline, perhaps
you wouldn't make such an ignorant comment. The coastlines do not change
here, at least not without an earthquake, and I'm not walking on sand, which
we do not have, but rather a paved road. Trust me, it isn't
eroding/changing.

That's neither here nor there...but I do know that GPS units vary in quality
and some of the lesser units are not nearly as accurate as one would wish.
The higher end GPS units are much more accurate...  and the plotting has a
great deal to do with it.

Ahem! By definition, maritime coastlines change on each change of tide. 
Do you think you're immune from coastal erosion? :-)

The GPS system has a potential maximum accuracy of 30cm (1 foot). 
However, that signal, the P(Y) channel, is encrypted and the encryption code
changes daily so it is only available to the miltary and specific government
users.  Typical civilian GPS accuracy is within 15 meters (50 feet),
depending on a half-dozen factors affecting the satellite signal.

There are high accuracy GPS units for surveying and similar uses that
receive multiple satellite frequencies and compute the delay difference
between the frequencies - obviously bigger and much more expensive than the
handheld units.

I think we've reached the end of relevance to Legacy...
*
I can walk around the inside lane of a 400 meter track and it will show me
wandering all over the place - including outside lanes and/or infield. Even
when it shows my accurate path, it will measure quite a bit differently from
one lap to the next - and never 400 meters (sometimes off by as much as 10
meters)! Sorry, this is definitely off topic, but did want to comment on the
frequent inaccuracy of GPS.
*

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

I think it has everything to do with Legacy when people can't understand why
their coordinates for a cemetery take them to the middle of a river in a
program they expect to correctly plot with GPS.  Some understanding of the
technology is necessary before some people can understand what Legacy is
trying to do with Visual Earth and GPS in our genealogy software and on our
computers so that Legacy (Millenia) doesn't take all the blame when it fails
to work correctly.
Paul



Dave wrote: 
That's fine as long as it's related to the use of Legacy and its add-on's
(as the list rules clearly state).   But most of us didn't come here to read
about how gps technology works or reviews of the accuracy using different
gps units.   And that's where the thread had drifted a few times.




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Re: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

[Paul]

I think it has everything to do with Legacy when people can't understand 
why their coordinates for a cemetery take them to the middle of a river 
in a program they expect to correctly plot with GPS.  Some understanding 
of the technology is necessary before some people can understand what 
Legacy is trying to do with Visual Earth and GPS in our genealogy 
software and on our computers so that Legacy (Millenia) doesn't take all 
the blame when it fails to work correctly.

Paul



Dave wrote:

That's fine as long as it's related to the use of Legacy and its add-on's
(as the list rules clearly state).   But most of us didn't come here to read
about how gps technology works or reviews of the accuracy using different
gps units.   And that's where the thread had drifted a few times.





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RE: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

[Dave]

That's fine as long as it's related to the use of Legacy and its add-on's
(as the list rules clearly state).   But most of us didn't come here to read
about how gps technology works or reviews of the accuracy using different
gps units.   And that's where the thread had drifted a few times.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pauline B.
Cramer
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:21 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] GPS lat and long format

We are bouncing between my Legacy location list, Virtual Earth, and 
Google Earth, visually finding cemeteries, getting good latitude and 
longitude, deciding where to put push pins, and at the same time 
cleaning up long form and short form Legacy locations, etc.  It is 
disconcerting when VE sometimes zooms off to Algeria when we are looking 
for Coal Town Cemetery in Purvis, MS, but, other than the occasional 
problems finding the right town and county, it works marvelously well.  
So we are happy with our progress.  It is well worth the effort.

Pauline in Seattle


RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:
> I disagree. The program Virtual Earth is a component
> of the Legacy program now, and so its accuracy, and
> possible work arounds, and/or errors is valid on this
> User Group. I hope it doesn't become a constant deluge
> of messages every day, but as genealogists we deal in
> accuracy.
> Rich in LA CA
> PS. It may improve with updates.
>
> --- Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Unless it's about entering it in Legacy, isn't this
>> thread getting pretty
>> far off topic?





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Re: [LegacyUG] Where to enter a street address?

[Bruce Jones]

Very interesting thread.
It appears to me that the new mapping feature has changed things.
Before that, Legacy "encouraged" us to use just 4 fields for location even
though they made 9 fields available.
Following this "encouragement" meant that Legacy could implement the Geo
Location and USA County verification features.
Now it seems we might need to change if we want to fully utilize the mapping
feature (to identify multiple addresses in the same city).
It seems to me we have two options:
1. Combine the address with the city WITHOUT  a comma.  This preserves the 4
position location so it can be used with the Geo Location and USA County
verifier.
2. Abandon the 4 field location "standard" using 5 or more fields for the
street address and anything else desired. This means you will not be able to
use the Geo or County verification features.

Actually, Cathy Vallevieni proposed an elegant solution earlier that sort of
combines both options.  Repeating here
1.  Enter the city, county, etc. (not the street # and name) and use Geo
Location List (world globe on the right) to give it the correct format and
save that.
2.  In the Family Screen add the street # and street name WITH NO COMMA
BETWEEN THE STREET NAME AND CITY otherwise it messes up the structure and
the system thinks the city is the county.
3.  Map the individual which inserts the exact Longitude and Latitude for
this address.
Thanks, Cathy

I think I would word #2 slightly differently. "otherwise the County
Verification feature will not work, giving you warning messages".  By Family
Screen she is referring to the various Location fields.

Note that if you want to map multiple locations in one city, you MUST HAVE
multiple Master Location entries for that city (one per map "pin").

This is how I see it.
Thoughts anyone?
Bruce

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 8:42 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
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> I sent in my repair request the other day. I won't
> repeat it at present.
> Rich IN LA CA
> --- TH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Elsie Saar
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> > >  I also see the problems people are having with
> > adding street addresses,
> > > cemetery names, hospitals, etc Elsie
> > >
> > >
> > > What are you talking about? I'm not having any
> > provblems using the correct
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