Re: [LegacyUG] Multiple Prefixes
Robert, It may seem strange, but that's the standard order and usage for such individuals, one famous example being Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. There might be some standards for order based on when each title was conferred, but Reverend Doctor appears to be the preferred order based on a quick bit of Googling. Typically "Reverend" is the first prefix, followed by any other title an individual might have, so for a military chaplain you might have the Rev. Lieutenant John Doe (or possibly the Rev. Lt. Dr. John Doe!) An alternative would be to represent the doctorate as a suffix (e.g. Rev. John Doe, D.D. or Ph.D. depending on the exact degree received), but that creates its own potential set of issues, especially for someone who already has a suffix such as MLK Jr... and whenever possible I would defer to how they presented themselves during their life, if such information is known. -Steve On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Robert Carneal USA wrote: > I do not want to start a long thread, but how are you handling multiple > prefixes? I have a few people in my family who were both doctors (not > medical drs, but doctors of the faith), and also they were known as > Reverends. Entering "Reverend Doctor" into the prefix seems strange. Is > there a better way? (I am thinking about "Rev. Dr." Shorter, anyway, but it > is proper?) > > Thanks. > > Robert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with Event sort when the date is 13-14 Apr 1930
The issue here is that technically "13-14 Apr 1930" is considered by the program to be the number 13 through the date 14 Apr 1930. If you change that date to "13 Apr 1930 - 14 Apr 1930" it will sort correctly (but not display as nicely in reports.) The same issue would arise even if you specify "13 Mar-14 Apr 1930" -- you need to provide the entire date for both parts of the range. Unfortunately, Legacy's sorting algorithm doesn't properly understand shortened date ranges like you've entered. Probably something to throw on the wish list, assuming they finish squashing the bugs! -Steve On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Arnold Sprague wrote: > I have five censuses for an individual for 1880, two for 1900, 1920, and > 1930. In the Individual's Information window, I manually sorted them so that > they are in chronological order. > > However, *after* I go to File/File Maintenance/Check-Repair and put a check > mark in Sort All Events by Date, the Event Date of 13-14 Apr 1930 becomes > the first census listed. It should, of course, be sorted as last. This is > repeatable. > > As many of us find an individual on a census page with a date which covers > two days or more, has anyone come up with a way to force Legacy to > *maintain* the sort for this individual? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Conflict of Dates - how to note
If you can't locate your original source for the birth date of the father, it's just as likely that you meant to enter 1877 as it is that 1887 is his actual birth year (or that the cemetery transcription you derived this from was in error for a similar reason.) I would either delete the original entry entirely and put something like "Before 1885" in its place, since that's a reasonable conjecture but I wouldn't want to guess much beyond that, and put data about how you derived the date into the "Birth notes..." section (available by clicking the "+" at the end of the Birth: row when editing the individual record.) If you want to keep the 1887 birth date entry, there is also the pre-defined event "Alt. Birth" that can be used for disputed birth date information (along with entering notes about it), and many of us have created another event called "Disproven Birth" to deal with situations where the birth info is clearly wrong, but has been recorded on some official document or permanent record (such as a headstone) and should be recorded and noted as such, with a proper explanation of why it's inaccurate provided in the event notes. Of course, by the late 1800s and early 1900s there were lots of records available to corroborate this sort of vital data -- census, newspaper articles, death certificates, etc. There must be something fairly easy to find in order to verify this and save yourself a lot of time entering notes about potential errors? -Steve On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Roy and Ila East wrote: > I just ran the potential problems report. On one record it was noted that > the person was born when a parent was younger than 13 years old. > > I got the birth dates and date of death from cemetery files. I don't know > where I got the birth date of the father. The year I have is 1887 and the > year of the child's birth was 1900. If I calculate backwards 21 years he > would have been born in 1879 or earlier. > > Would you note this as a source and explain the calculation or is there some > other way to do it? > > Ila East Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7 runtime permission errors in XP
Mary, The problem you describe here is almost certainly due to the default location Legacy uses to save its database files (within its own program folder), which is not the way Microsoft instructs third-party software vendors to design their software. Instead, user files (such as your family file) are supposed to be saved within the user folder (e.g. "My Documents" for a Windows machine). This becomes compounded by Legacy defaulting to installing in an unusual location (C:\Legacy) rather than c:\Program Files\Legacy, which puts it into a privileged space that Administrators have full access to, but regular users do not. I'm quite surprised that you can even create a database file within that space as a limited-access user! This is something that the programmers should probably address in a future release, because it creates security concerns and also complicates making backups because the user files aren't saved in a standard location that most backup programs look in, such as your My Documents folder. Try saving your database to a different folder that your limited-access user has full read/write privileges for, such as your My Documents folder, and see if you still have the problems you report here. -Steve On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Mary Boyd wrote: > > Thanks to everyone for your advice and suggestions. Rest assured that I > have investigated, read, and tried the “Error by numbers” support > information on the Legacy website. I am using XP Home Edition, Service Pack > 3. I have it set for automatic updates and it seems to be current. > > I am still having some problems with Legacy V7 related to using an XP > “limited” user account vs. an administrator account. I would appreciate your > help figuring out how to fix this. Specifically, when I try to do a File > Maintance > Check/Repair with the limited account. I get the following > errors during the Check/Repair operation: > > “The Microsoft Jet database engine cannot open the file > C:\Legacy\Legacy1..dbm. It is already opened exclusively by another user, or > you need permission to view its data. Would you like to try again?” > > “Error closing files. Error 91: Object variable or With block variable not > set.” > > “Error rebuilding indexes. Error 91: Object variable or With block variable > not set.” > > Then, a couple more repeats of the above 91 errors, ending with … > > “Error in Check/Repair of Family File.” > “Error 3356: You attempted to open a database that is already opened > exclusively by user ‘admin’ on machine ‘XXX’. Try again when the database is > available.” > > Then, finally, “Runtime error 91”, followed by Legacy aborting. > > I can run this SAME operation from an administrator account and get NO > errors whatsoever. Am I then correct in assuming that the problem is NOT my > family file(s), but something with how the software is interacting with my > system environment? > > Unfortunately, after running the Check/Repair from the administrator > account, I’m not permitted to use the family file in the limited account. > Rather it forces me to create a new file and the fun starts all over again. > > I have tried exporting to a new family file but it did not fix the errors. > > I have uninstalled Version 7 completely (deleted all files and folders) and > reinstalled it, but the results are still the same. BTW, I’m using the most > current build of V7, just downloaded it yesterday. > > Thanks in advance for any further suggestions you might have for me. > > Cheers, Mary >
Re: [LegacyUG] birds eye view in mapping
Actually it's far more likely that the region of NZ she's looking on the map at simply doesn't have any birds eye views available. The Birds Eye feature is Microsoft's competition for Google Street View, and just like GSV it's only available in the places they've sent a helicopter to take photographs, which thus far is mostly limited to urban, high-population areas. You can test this by going to a large urban area like Los Angeles or London and see if it becomes active there. That said, it's not all that useful within Legacy since you can't place pins while in that view; aerial view accomplishes much the same thing for identifying locations while still letting you place the pin. The only times I've found use for it are when I need to figure out which corner of an intersection a church is on, and then I have to switch back to the other view to tag it. -Steve On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:07 PM, ronald ferguson wrote: > > Wendy, > > If I understand you correctly you need to download and install VE from > Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/virtualearth/. > > > > Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Impatience with Legacy
Adobe is actually fairly good about posting what they call the "known limitations" of their software, and as Ron mentions virtually all open-source projects have outstanding trackers and databases with test methodology to confirm fixes. Obviously if one commercial company is listing their bugs and the others aren't, it might turn off some users to purchasing that software, but consider the poor reviews we occasionally see for software that doesn't mention that some of its features are buggy, or simply "aren't ready yet". All software has bugs, but acknowledging them and making it clear that they're being worked on would actually encourage me to consider a program over some competitor's software where everyone is just griping in the forums about how buggy it is, with no cohesive response from the company. Some acknowledgment about bugs and truth about where things stand (e.g. the fate of the Source Conversion Tool) would go a long way to alleviate current user concerns and encourage new customers to purchase the software. -Steve On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:18 PM, ronald ferguson wrote: > > Jackie, > > I do not know of any company who is willing to tell their competitors > where/what their problems are. > > In the context of software I only know of Open Source which allows this. > Legacy is better than most as it at least allows open discussion on this list. > > > > Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Impatience with Legacy
That said, I've reported several bugs via the "Report a Bug" interface, and never received a single acknowledgment or message that anyone has even read them, let alone added them to the queue. Perhaps that's because they were already reported, but since they're still present in the latest build (and seemingly easy to fix since most of them deal with typos or formatting issues), what am I to make of the customer support response? Something needs to be done to improve this side of the Legacy interface -- either acknowledgment of *ALL* bug reports, or a public list of known bugs to reduce redundant reports. The current system leaves us frustrated and ends up with far too many rambling and often fruitless threads on LUG. -Steve On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:59 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: > > Yes I have recieved them more than once. You may have missed this detail, > that I remember. The first person to report the problem will recieve a 'thank > you' for pointing it out, within the week, and when 'fixed' and added to next > update, will generate a subsequent 'thank you' and note that it is in the > next queue. But not the second or rest. The next step is not consistent, but > I have seem a message to 'us all' that it has been queued, and is set in > upcoming update. > Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] sourcing familysearch labs
I would consider FSL to be the repository, and the individual databases should be sourced based on what they actually are. For instance, Texas Death Certificates would be sourced under Death Records > Death Certificates > All countries except... > Created at a state/provincial level > online images. Obviously the usual caveats about referencing any of their text-only indexes apply, but since most of FSL's indexes are linked to scans of the original images, there's a good degree of confidence in most of their data. -Steve On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bernard Doddema wrote: > I've checked the archives and didn't see anything that really fit what > I'm about to ask. > > How do you source FamilySearch Labs? Would I just be using online > databases? Would someone be willing to share how they filled out the > source info? > > Thanks > > -- > Bernard Doddema, Jr. > DoddemaGen > http://doddemagen.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] eligible males for war time service
Shelly, Here is a direct quote from the Ancestry card catalog listing for the US WWI Draft registrations: --- The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations. * First Registration. The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged twenty-one to thirty-one—men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896. * Second Registration. The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who had turned twenty-one years of age since the previous registration—men born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897. Men who had not previously registered and were not already in the military also registered. In addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men who turned twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918. * Third Registration. The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged eighteen to twenty-one and thirty-one to forty-five—men born between 11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900. The complete registration included men between the ages of 18 and 45—males born between 1873 and 1900—who were not already in the military. --- Cheers, Steve Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Subsequent Citations
Brenda, I'm not seeing this error in my Descendant Narrative report, either -- if anything, in a few spots where I would expect the source page to use the "subsequent citation" format it still uses the full source name (although that might be because my text details differ between each individual citation in most places.) There were some bugs with SW in older versions, so can you verify that you're running the latest update? Go to the Legacy Home tab to check... it should say version 7.0.0.86 in a box on the right column. -Steve On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Brenda Barker wrote: > Jenny, > I just tried using the SW for "Newspapers - Print Editions" template. > Source: > Source List Name: Cincinnati Times > Location State: Ohio > Location City: Cincinnati > Title: Cincinnati Times > Source Detail: > Article: Person A Obit > Date: 23 Oct 1955 > Page: 3 > Column: 1 > > Next I wanted to use the Cincinnati Times for a birth announcement of Person > B so I entered the data and used "Cite a Master Source" and selected > Cincinnati Times. The Source Detail box opened and I filled in the > information asked (Person B Birth Announcement, 12 Feb 1960, p. 4, col. 3. > I generated a descendants narrative of their parent so that both sources > should be on the same report. > Footnote 1: "Person A Obit," (Cincinnati) Cincinnati Times, 23 Oct 1955, > p.3, col. 1 > Footnote 2: "Person B Birth Announcement," p. 3, col. 2. > The second footnote should also list the name and location of the newspaper > and it does not. The name and location of the newspaper should only be > omitted if one is citing the same article a second time. > I noted that in your experiment you used the same date for both newspapers > and that could be the difference. I sounds like it may be necessary to > create a separate master source for each edition of the newspaper rather > than lump all editions together as a single master source. If that is the > case then it would be helpful if date appeared on the Source page rather > than in Source Detail. > Thanks, > Brenda Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Trouble accessing certain forms
You say you're running Legacy 7, but have you verified you're running the latest update? (currently version 7.0.0.86, check the 'Legacy Home' tab to confirm.) I seem to recall there was an issue with a few of the reports after one of the interim updates that has since been corrected. Steve On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Ronald Gagnier wrote: > The folders are there and have the forms I want to access but the program > won't let me. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Someone
I would summarize it this way -- whether or not this is a bug (and by the technical definition of what constitutes a bug, I would say it is not one), this is a behavior that no one would *ever* want or expect, and thus it certainly deserves to be changed in a future revision. Presenting it as user error comes across as somewhat crass, especially given the complicated nature of how the quirk arises. I certainly don't blame the beta testers for missing it because it is rather obscure, but now that it has been identified I think we can acknowledge that it does happen, should probably not happen, and not worry so much about the specifics of how some people enter their data. -Steve On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Brian/Support wrote: > Jack and Kirsten, > > I should have said in my original answer that initially I was NOT able to > duplicate the problem. > > My Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) is to use the Save/Close Button on any > screen in Legacy. When I first tested the problem I automatically used Save > on the marriage information screen so the Wording Tab change made by Legacy > from "married someone" (Unknown spouse) to "married" (known spouse) was > saved and the reports read X married Y. > > Legacy was, therefore trying to sort out the wording based on my addition of > a spouse when the marriage screen was presented. My use of the Cancel button > told Legacy not to make the change to the Wording Tab it was proposing. I > did say that I had not reviewed the Wording Tab, if I had looked at that tab > I would have seen that the wording was going to be changed to "married" > instead of "married someone". > > That was the reason why I asked the $64 question. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Clipboard Source Automatically Changing
Judy, I'm certain this has been the standard behavior since at least version 7.0.0.55 (the one we had for a very long time until this sudden flurry of updates). I often would realize after pasting a source into a few spots that I had mistakenly inserted the same detail in a few spots where it was not meant to be, and had to go back and fix the offending entries. This is not new to the recent updates. That doesn't answer your complaint about the old tabbed clipboard, but the behavior of the new clipboard is the same as it has been for a while (other than defaulting to 'prompt for detail' when you copy a source to the clipboard, which I believe was added in 7.0.0.76.) Steve On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Judy wrote: > Prior to these latest minor updates, I had been able to create a Master > source, without using the Source Writer, fill in the general details for the > source and copy it to the clipboard, leaving the text/comments blank. I > could then apply the source to multiple individuals, filling in the > text/comments section as the specific details applied to each person. > > But currently, even if I save a source with "blank" text/comments to the > clipboard, each time I add specifics for an individual, those specifics are > added to the clipboard, which is very annoying and making sourcing a very > irritating experience. The specifics will not apply to the next person for > whom I wish to use the original clipboard source. > > What happened to the old source clipboard? It was hard enough when the > tabbed clipboard was removed, but this "new feature" that has popped up all > of a sudden is maddening!! Any solutions in sight? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to convert Family Tree to Legacy
Leo, In the help index for Legacy, search for "Family Tree Maker export" -- details are provided there. Specifics vary slightly between versions of FTM, but all basically involve exporting a GEDCOM file which you then import into Legacy. Cheers, Steve Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations - when a village becomes a city
This is a classic issue of accuracy versus clarity, and there are people on this group that fall on both sides of the divide, so you'll probably get a few different opinions on this question. My own take is that genealogy is an attempt to record events and facts in their contemporary setting (variant spellings and all), and not to second-guess details or "bring them into the present", so to speak. Thus, your proposed solution of using several location names makes the most sense to me, with the added suggestion that you use the location notes field (accessible via the Master Location List) to provide some of the historical detail that you've mentioned here about Tonawanda and North Tonawanda. The downside to this solution is that it can be difficult to locate old records based on the location, because although a person might have died in Wheatfield in 1865, you'll need to know that the records are now located in the City of North Tonawanda. Thus you will need to be careful about adding notes with such details regarding the current setting of locations that no longer exist or have changed names (and don't even get me started on the added complication of there also being a Town of Tonawanda!) The converse argument suggests that you stick with modern names for events regardless of the time when they occurred, which can make things somewhat easier to read through (thus it reads that the person lived in NT for their entire life, versus jumping around to various location names which at first glance can make it seem like they moved, even though it was merely the civil boundaries that moved.) Taking this route can lead to complications down the road when someone realizes that there was no such location as North Tonawanda in 1855, and questions the accuracy of your data. Best of luck, Steve On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:29 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess that the "List Posting Error Notification" was true for me. I > somehow was unsubscribed from the list. I have received no messages for > days. I sent this message to the list on Saturday and when I didn't get it > back, I realized that I hadn't received messages in awhile. > > --- > > Just wondering whether others have encountered something like this and if > so, how they've handled it - > > The city in which I live became a city in 1897. Prior to that, it was a > village. Would you list it once without the title of village or city, add > it to all events and facts that occurred there regardless of when in its > history and add location notes giving the dates in which the transition took > place? > > Prior to being a village, it was part of a neighboring town. This occurred > when it split from other wards of another village. And to further > complicate things, the 3 other wards were in a different county across the > Erie Canal! > > Here are the details - > > 1854 - Village of Tonawanda formed with 3 wards in Erie County (which later > became City of Tonawanda) and 1 ward in Niagara County > 1857 - ward in Niagara County split from village and became part of Town of > Wheatfield > 1865 - Village of North Tonawanda formed > 1897 - City of North Tonawanda established > > I was thinking of having the following locations: > > Tonawanda, Erie County, New York, USA (for all events that occurred in the 3 > wards of the village and in the future City of Tonawanda) Tonawanda, Niagara > County, New York, USA (for those events in the 1 ward of the village between > 1854 and 1857) Wheatfield, Niagara County, New York, USA (for those events > between 1857 and 1865) North Tonawanda, Niagara County, New York, USA (for > everything since 1865) > > Does this make sense? > > Thanks! > > Mary *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] nicknames upon GEDCOM export
I know that Legacy automatically populates the NICK field of a GEDCOM if the given name has a portion in quotation marks. However, the quoted portion of the name remains in the NAME field as well, resulting in what I think is rather sloppy-looking data. I've tried to bypass this by creating a custom event called 'Nickname', but that exports as an EVEN rather than as the standard of NICK (even though Legacy recognizes an entry named NICK as a Nickname for GEDCOM import, and apparently handles it appropriately.) Anyway, all of that is a round-about way of asking if anyone knows of a way to deal with this, such that Nicknames get exported with the NICK tag, but the quoted nickname doesn't remain in the person's given name? Ideally this is the situation I want: Name (within Legacy): Thomas James "Tommy" Smith (or alternately, Name: Thomas James Smith, with an event named 'Nickname' with the description 'Tommy') Export in GEDCOM file: 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME Thomas James /Smith/ 2 GIVN Thomas James 2 SURN Smith 2 NICK Tommy If this isn't able to be done in the current version, I'd like to propose it as a feature for a future revision. It seems like it would be simple enough to implement an event called Nickname, which would give people the option to export the current way by putting the nickname into the primary name field, or to do it the way I desire by using the event instead. Thanks, Steve *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie help - Master sources
Howard, Two suggestions to try: First, in the master source list, verify that you haven't accidentally checked any of the boxes within the "Show only" section on the right side (beneath the "Help button"). To display all of your master sources, every box needs to be un-checked. You might be inadvertently hiding your source from view by having one of them active. This happens to people quite regularly! Second, if that does not work, try a check/repair (File > File Maintenance > Check/repair) to verify there isn't an internal error in your database. Cheers, Steve On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Howard Mathieson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am new to Legacy7 and purchased the delux package after looking at a > number of rewiews. > > I am encoutering problems re sources. I am comfortable with the source > writer and can see it's value in standardizing source recording. I have book > marked a number of my source temlates for easy access. > > However my difficulty starts when I try and create a new master source. I am > using the Wiltshire Wills Project and have a number of wills that contain > information that confirms several family relationships. I would like to be > able to recall this source and use it with several individuals. I created > (at least I thought I had ) a "master" source for use with one individual. > When I go back to this individual the source is there. When I try and find > the same source to link it to a second individual I cannot retrieve the > source. > > When I attempt to "cite a master source" the "find" screen comes up and I > type Wiltshire wills project and the screen stays blank. > > Clearly I am missing a step or misunderstanding a concept. Can somebody > help? > > Howard *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help, Please?
Jim, This was a common bug in version 7.0.0.55. It was fixed in the most recent update (7.0.0.76) so if you update to that, it won't happen again (and a vast number of other formatting and display bugs have also been fixed.) If you have the Deluxe version you can update from within the program by going to the Legacy Home tab and click 'Updates' in the far right column. Cheers, Steve > Jim Smith wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I need help. >> When I am assigning sources to a record in my database, I sometimes start >> the assignment with the function "Add a New Source." Inadvertently, I >> change my mind and decide to "Cite a Master Source". Legacy immediately >> sends up an error dialog box "Run-time Error '3167'. Record is Deleted." >> Legacy immediately crashes. As I have not done anything at this point. I >> do not lose my record as the error dialogue states will happen. >> >> Does anyone know how to fix/avoid this issue? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jim >> >> Jim Smith >> Tampa, FL, USA >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Place names not as entered
Even without the Geo-location database, you should be able to revise short location names by highlighting the offending entry in the Master Location List and selecting the 'Edit...' button at the bottom. After revising it and selecting 'Save' you'll get a warning that all entries using the location will be affected; simply select 'OK' and you're set! Cheers, Steve On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Steve (and Ron). > > I see it is listed as the short location name but I don't have the option in > the Master Location list to change the short name - where do I change this, > please? I removed the Geo Location Database a few months ago when I was > having memory problems (computer ones I mean, mine are another matter!). > Should I re-install it to find short location names? > > Elizabeth *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Security Question
More than likely you saw the firewall message after updating because most firewalls are also designed to detect changes in programs sending internet requests and flag them (since the change could potentially be malicious spyware or a virus that modified the program.) Thus, you might not even remember a firewal request way back when you installed 7.0.0.55, and it's been following whatever policy you set ever since. Finally thanks to the big update to 76, the firewall setting was reset, much to your surprise! Version 55 definitely also connects to the internet to update the Home tab and check for updates, if permitted by local firewall settings. You probably see a similar firewall request whenever IE or Firefox downloads an update, but don't think twice about it because you expect them to be connecting to the internet :) That's not to say there aren't legitimate questions about what data is being sent out from the program, of course; privacy and security are always important! Steve On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Mark Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I use ZoneAlarm Internet Security Suite v8.0.059.000 on WinXP32-SP3. My > concern was whether or not Legacy was trying to send more than just page > requests. Some programs are intentionally written to "call home" for > various verifications, for error reports, to establish legitimacy, or to > share usage data. I had just installed Legacy v7.0.0.76 and when it > restarted, ZoneAlarm notified me that "Legacy Genealogy Software is > sending my 'home address' information to www.legacyfamilytree.com." I > hadn't even clicked on anything for Legacy yet to send a page request. > Since that was the first time that ZoneAlarm had given that particular > alert., it raised the question as to what was going on with Legacy. > > Since computer security is imperative, I didn't want to ignore the > issue. It's always better to be proactive rather than to look back and > ask "Why didn't I" > > Thanks, Tim! > > > Mark Wilson *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Place names not as entered
Elizabeth, Have you verified that this isn't a difference between the full and short location names for this location in the Master Location list? The reports might be using the short name, while the individual display typically uses the full name. There are also some location settings in the Options > Customize >Data Format page (under Letter Case of Locations) -- check those settings to "don't change what I enter" and see if that makes a difference. Steve On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I have entered a death as taking place in Pas-de-Calais, France, > Legacy insists on displaying it as Pas-DE-Calais. The individual (editing) > screen shows the lowercase 'de' but the family view and descendant chart use > uppercase. > > I think this looks odd - any ideas as to how I can change it please? > Elizabeth > > > > *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit > http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help with deleting a family
June, After a quick test I realize you need to follow Sandra's advice about unlinking the incorrect marriage before attempting this process, or else your g-g-g-grandfather will also be tagged and deleted (that tricky "tag everyone in the ancestor chart including spouses" thing!) Once you have unlinked the false grandmother from your correct ancestors, select her and then the steps provided above should work properly. Teach me to provide instructions without first double-checking it myself! Cheers, Steve On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:11 AM, June Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Steve > > I followed your steps - but think that I must have misunderstood who the > root person was/is because I clicked on my non great great grandmother but > still ended up deleting my great great grandfather and all his ancestors. > > Could you please advise. > > Thank you - June *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Listserv spam/HTML issues (Was: Legacy Question)
One thing to note with those error messages is that their subject line has two list names prefixing it: [LegacyUG] and [LegacyUserGroup]. All legitimate group messages are only prefixed by [LegacyUG]. This implies to me that there's an old (or alternate) list with the name [LegacyUserGroup] and somehow there is cross-talk between them. (Below is a bit of speculation on my part, so all you Legacy users can just ignore this and let the tech people laugh at my wild theories...) Perhaps Ken is sending messages to a listserv address associated with [LegacyUserGroup], which is then forwarding the messages to the correct [LegacyUG] group, but [LegacyUG] rejects them because it doesn't recognize Ken's address (or perhaps the [LegacyUserGroup] listserv address) as a subscriber to [LegacyUG]. Meanwhile, because the mailing lists are set up to REPLY-TO the listserv address, the [LegacyUG] rejection message is sent back to the [LegacyUserGroup] list (using the REPLY-TO instead of the FROM). Then [LegacyUserGroup] receives it and treats it like any other message, again forwarding it to [LegacyUG] like outlined above. This time the FROM address matches a subscribed user (the [LegacyUG] listserv address itself!), so finally these rejection messages get sent along to all of us, and we get frustrated. Or maybe it's something really silly, like a case-sensitive address? LegacyUserGroup@ versus [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve, > > Ken is trying to figure out what's going on with the rejection messages. > > Our mailing list software doesn't give us the option to strip or block HTML > messages or attachments, unfortunately. *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help with deleting a family
Hi June, You should be able to do this with advanced tagging and deleting. These instructions work for Legacy 7 Deluxe -- I can't speak for which features are available in Legacy 6 or the basic version. You need to find a tag you aren't using for other purposes (and enable tagging options from Options > Customize > General if you have not done so.) First select the root individual of the family you want to delete. Then go to Edit > Tag Records... (or ctrl-T), select the tag number to use, then select the Ancestors... button, and select the "Entire Ancestor Line" button. Hit OK, and now the non-grandmother and all of her family should be tagged. Close the tagging window. Next go to Tools > Advanced Deleting... and select the tag number that you assigned above. To be safe you can leave the "confirm each deletion" button checked, and then it will prompt you for each individual as it queues them up to be deleted from the database. Simply confirm until they are all gone! When you're done, you might want to verify there aren't any stray individuals remaining from that branch by going to View > Tree Finder, select "Refresh" and make sure that you don't have any unexpected unlinked individuals. Cheers, Steve On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM, June Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone please assist me (in simple sentences) to deleting a family. > > I have a great great grandfather with a wife attached, I also have much > information included about the wife's family, ancestors, siblings etc. > However I have now found out that that person is not the wife and that whole > family grouping is of no connection to me and so I want to delete them. I > tried to delete them this morning but instead managed to delete not only my > great great grandfather but everyone from him back. Thank goodness for a > backup. I then went to unlink but again managed only to make my great great > grandfather disappear again. Any restore has put things back the way they > were. > > I am obviously doing something wrong but am unable to find who it is. Any > help would be appreciated. > > Thank you - June *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Listserv spam/HTML issues (Was: Legacy Question)
With all due respect to everyone who keeps arguing that HTML messages are the bane of the world and the cause of problems on this list, the two biggest issues with the spam flagging are undoubtedly the onslaught of repetitive error messages about not being subscribed to the list (spam heuristics look for frequent message repetition as a sign of spam), and the spamming issue last month when someone hijacked Geoff's Legacy email address and was using it to send fake Rolex messages to the list. As people kept tagging those messages as spam, filters were learning that messages originating from LUG were likely to be spam and thus the spam score goes up on all LUG messages. Whoever maintains this list needs to deal with the error messages because it is dramatically adding to the burden on end users downloading the messages, and it is also adding extra messages as people keep responding asking why they are receiving them in the first place and what they did wrong. With regard to HTML messages, virtually every mailing list management program has an option to strip the HTML from messages before passing them on, and if a list actually wants to implement a 'no HTML' policy then that is really the only way to do it properly. Expecting end users to maintain compliance is asking for trouble, both in terms of new users getting regularly chided by seasoned listers when they make a mistake by sending an HTML message, and additionally because one of the stated concerns about HTML email is that it might contain a virus (an extremely remote possibility, but still of potential concern to some people.) In that case, having the list server strip HTML is the *only* way to ensure this is prevented. Otherwise you give end users a false sense of security because they think they are on a list that bans HTML, yet it still comes through with high frequency (I know I've been guilty of sending an HTML message or two by mistake!) Furthermore concerning the other, more legitimate, issue with HTML messages (file size), having the list software strip it out before sending has the added advantage of decreasing the size of the messages before passing them to the end users, which improves the speed they are downloaded for dial-up users. I don't know what program Millennium uses to maintain this list so I can't be absolutely certain such a feature is included, but if it isn't then perhaps it's time to switch us to something more robust and better able to deal with these frequent errors that crop up. In the end we'll all be able to talk more about genealogy research and spend less time discussing the mailing list itself. Cheers, Steve On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Mike Fry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hope Bagot Bees wrote: >> >> Has your spam or antivirus blocked Legacy postings? I keep getting a >> message from Thunderbird suggesting that Legacy postings are a scam, which I >> have to refute. > > That's because people insist on using HTML and they express the latest > version as 7.0.0.76 which in HTML looks like an IP address. The implication > according to Thunderbird, is that the message wants you to go to that web > site. Hence, a possible scam! > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg. *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Turn off screen that pops up when pasting source from clipboard
Actually this is definitely a change between build 55 and build 76 -- I was quite surprised to have the the window pop up when I copied a source to the clipboard and then went to paste it in a new field. I agree that it's likely to be more useful than detrimental, especially since you can just hit the carriage return (enter) and it goes away without needing to do any extra clicking, but it is a change from the previous behavior and will take a while to adjust to. In the end I suspect most people will be happy with the change. I, for one, often had to revise source details after pasting in the old version, because I would forget that it didn't automatically prompt for data after copying a source to the clipboard. That said, I agree that it would be nice to have it as a toggleable option similar to the settings to default to sources being validated and displaying details/comments in reports. (They just need to add another check-box in the "Source Detail Defaults" section of Options > Customse > Sources) -Steve On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Elizabeth Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jennifer - horrors! I can't imagine not having that window pop up! But, as > Ron said, lumpers will find it very useful, and I can't imagine ever, ever, > being a splitter. But, to assure you, this has been there throughout v7 and > is not a change in this update. > > Elizabeth > researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson > > - Original Message - From: "Jennifer Trahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:54 PM > Subject: [LegacyUG] Turn off screen that pops up when pasting source from > clipboard > > >> Is there any way to turn off the screen that pops up when you paste a >> source from the source clipboard? I have only noticed this since downloading >> 7.0.0.76, but I used to notice it when I used v. 6 It is the source details >> screen that pops up. I hardly ever want to change the details as I am >> pasting, so this screen is somewhat annoying. I know you can uncheck "Prompt >> for detail" but this is only helpful if you have to paste it a couple of >> times. It will still pop up the first time you go to paste. It seems a >> wasted step to me. If there is not a way to turn it off, I guess I will live >> with it. I wish they would not have brought that back. >> >> Jennifer >> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Source Addition Program Crash.
Jim, As far as I can tell, this bug was fixed in the new version (7.0.0.76) released on Saturday. Beyond that the only way I know of to prevent the problem is to be very careful when selecting 'Add' versus 'Cite'! :) On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Jim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings, > > I need help. > > When I am assigning sources to a record in my database, I sometimes start > the assignment with the function "Add a New Source." Inadvertently, I > change my mind and decide to "Cite a Master Source". Legacy immediately > sends up an error dialog box "Run-time Error '3167'. Record is Deleted." > Legacy immediately crashes. As I have not done anything at this point. I > do not lose my record as the error dialogue states will happen. > > Does anyone know how to fix/avoid this issue? > > Thank you, > > Jim > > Jim Smith > > Tampa, FL, USA > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You don't get anything clean without getting something else dirty. - Cecil > Baxter > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] push pins not showing
I have neither of those problems here, but there was an issue with the location map occasionally not displaying properly in the prior version, but it's not due to a bug in Legacy itself. The problem, as far as I understand it, is that the connection to the Microsoft Virtual Earth server occasionally times out due to high traffic or other connection woes, and if it fails to load when you first open the Master Location List, leaving a blank map box. Usually you can just close and re-open the Master Location List and that fixes it. If you keep having problems, check if you can reach the MS Live Maps server by going to http://maps.live.com/ . If that fails it's probably a problem with your internet connection or a server issue at Microsoft. Cheers, Steve On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:25 AM, JLB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone else experienced that the maps do not show up after updating to > 7.0.0.7.6.? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template for Book Question
The thing I don't like about the "Book, authored (reprint) > Author Known > Online Images" option mentioned previously is that the template does not include a spot for the original publication information other than year of original publication. To me, that's potentially as important to a future researcher as being able to find the scanned images at Google Books (especially if the website or technology changes in the future, as it likely will), and thus you're stuck with the clunky option of putting the publication information into the text/comments field and including that in the source citation. That said, either one is probably sufficient to locate the of book in the future, either on Google Books or in a local library. I would also rephrase the "over-sourcing" versus "under-sourcing" debate in different terms -- this is more about ensuring you've provided sufficient information to find a source again, versus providing a dozen different ways to identify a piece of information. I think about sources like street addresses: "1234 Main" is not a sufficient address. "1234 Main St, Anywhere, NY" is still insufficient, but "1234 Main St, Anywhere, NY 12345" works! You can obviously go a lot further if you want, and make it "1234 Main Street, Anywhere, New York, 12345-9876" or even include GPS coordinates and a map, but there comes a point where this added information actually decreases the ability of someone to decipher the information because it adds clutter and confusion. To me, some of these SourceWriter templates fall into that category, especially when they don't perfectly match up to a source I'm working with (which seems to happen far more often than it should!) -Steve On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Ward Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with this response. Intuitive and easy. The same thing works for > 'Book, authored (reprint)'. The key is in considering the online copy of the > book as a 'reprint', which I think is valid. > > I recently had to order an old family genealogy book on CD, as there was no > online version. The same sourcing process works for this. E.g., Books --> > Book, authored (reprint) --> Author known --> CD/DVD book (images). > > Ward Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template for Book Question
I ran into this same problem, and decided the best choice was to consider such books as "Book > Editor known > Basic Format" and provide Google Books as the repository (if you don't use the repository feature, then mention in the Text/Comments where you found it.) The rationale being that you're looking at an exact digital image of the original book (including all the relevant publication information) it's not any different than having a hard copy of that edition in your own hands and looking at it. To me, the "online publication only" book category is worthless -- it's not clear what would differentiate a "web book" from a "website" or other more specific web-based category, especially since it runs into all the usual problems like getting updated, revised, taken offline, etc. Cheers, Steve >> - Original Message - From: "Kay Fordham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Legacy User Group" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:22 PM >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template for Book Question >> >> >>> I've been unable to locate a template for, say, a book with editor known >>> (original edition) and digitized online at Google Books. The only online >>> for this scenario is for online publication only (no hard copies printed). >>> Can someone point me in the right direction? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Kay Fordham >>> Researching Albrecht, Alden, Baker, DeLoye, DuBois, Fadden, Hanno, Immel, >>> Kelly, Meves, Roberts, Seel, Spencer, Seeton, Stoddart/Stoddard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
(Re-sent in plain text because I forgot about this group's boneheaded no-HTML policy. Apologies since I'm sure someone will complain.) Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of >> The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. >> <http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html>. >> I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any >> of the entries will work for the association. >> I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but do >> not know where to start. >> Help and thank you in advance. >> >> >> >> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp >> Archived messages: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ >> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp >> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp >> >> >> > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a family association using SourceWriter template
Arnold, Personally I wouldn't consider the Strong Family Association to be the source, but rather to be the repository from which you obtained new sources. The actual source(s) would the data that they cite on the website (e.g. US census records, baptismal records, family histories submitted by other genealogists, etc.) Hopefully they list their sources, because otherwise I wouldn't lend much credence to what's listed there until I verified it myself with primary sources. Hope that helps, Steve Voght On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Arnold Sprague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I gathered some new information on my Strong ancestors from the website of > The Strong Family Association of America, Inc. > <http://www.strongfamilyofamerica.org/ejstrongne.html>. > I scrolled through Legacy's Source Template Index and am not sure that any > of the entries will work for the association. > I would like to source the Strong information I gather to this group, but > do not know where to start. > Help and thank you in advance. > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer Question
I have to agree with William -- in this case the index was explicitly created by Ancestry. True, they used some else's data to compile it, but there is no such thing as a "Nevada Marriage Index" in either Clark County or the State of Nevada archives... instead there are pieces of this index in three different locations, which have been compiled together to create this index, which is not available elsewhere. In this case I think there are two options available -- first you could cite Ancestry.com as the source of the data (and paste the info about their sources into the comments tab), or you could separate out the source into two different sources, with Ancestry as the repository. In that case, you need to know if the data you are sourcing originally came from Clark County records, or from State of Nevada records... and I don't know if Ancestry is specific enough with individual entries for you to make that determination (though obviously if the marriage took place outside of Clark Co., it must be the State records.) This is the one big problem I have with SourceWriter when it comes to Ancestry "index" style databases -- oftentimes there simply isn't a good match! (for instance, how do you source a Birth Index? It's obviously a birth record, but there is simply no choice for text databases of birth registers at the state/provincial level, which is essentially what an index is.) It would be great if someone at Legacy (or anyone for that matter) actually went through all the types of databases available at Ancestry and compiled a best-practices list for what source template to use for each type of database, because right now it seems as if they're using the Mills book to design this, without actually looking at what exists in the real world. -Steve On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Elizabeth Richardson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, this is an index only, not the marriage record documents themselves. > The original image of the index is at Ancestry, and was not created by > Ancestry. The index was created by the State of Nevada and Clark County. > Rich is correct, Ancestry is NOT the originator of the index, it is the > repository. > > Elizabeth > researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson > > - Original Message - From: "William Anderson" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:39 PM > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Writer Question > > > Rich, > > Sorry, I disagree. > > Whilst I agree that it is unlikely, it is just possible that Ancestry.com > has changed the record created by Nevada. > > The source, at this juncture, has to be what has been viewed - Ancestry.com > - with mention of the sources they say they are relying on, until such time > as the 'original' source is personally checked. > > Isn't Genealogy fun!! > > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD > SCHULTHIES > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:27 PM > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer Question > > I disagree. Ancestry.com is not the originator of the database, Nevada is > that. Ancestor owns the photocopies and/or transcriptions that it created > from the data. It charges for access to that file. But you can go to Nevada > and make your own copies (plane fare and hotel room not included). Use the > example for US census records, changing the obvious differences. > Rich in LA CA > > --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Kay Fordham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Kay Fordham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer Question >> To: "Legacy User Group" >> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 5:08 PM Using Legacy 7 Deluxe >> 7.0.0.55 Build >> >> Tried the new Source Writer for the first time today and love it. I >> have a question about it relating to E. Shown-Mills, "Evidence >> Explained." I'm citing an Ancestry.com database entitled "Nevada >> Marriage Index, 1956-2005." >> Ancestry.com, in their Source Information, cites (1) their database >> Ancestry.com Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005 . . . .; (2) Nevada >> State Health Division, Office of Vital Records, Nevada Marriage Index, >> 1966-2005 . >> . . .; and (3) Clark County Nevada Marriage Bureau, Clark County >> Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005 . . . . >> >> Obviously Ancestry.com is the originator of this database. >> I like to know >> from whence their data comes. Should I use in the Detail section >> "Citing numbers 2 and 3 above." In "Evidence Explained" I'm seeing >> this used in some of the image examples but not in other databases. >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Kay Fordham >> >> > > > ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. > Use coupon code: 'Legacy2008' at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Onlin
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem Changing RINs
I think almost everyone is missing what the problem is that Carol is reporting. She understands what the double-S (officially "section mark" -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_mark) is for, but according to her most recent post, the problem is the AKAs are being associated with the *wrong individuals* after she changed people's RINs. Thus, if RIN#1 was formerly Jane Smith a.k.a. Jane Smythe and RIN#2 was Frank Jones a.k.a. Fred Jones; after Carol changed the RINs and swapped their numbers, now RIN#1 is Frank Jones a.k.a. Jane Smythe, and RIN#2 is Jane Smith a.k.a. Fred Jones. So the base problem is that her AKAs did not get reassigned properly and are now all associated with the wrong people. Thus it sounds like the only fix (until this bug (?) is fixed) is to go through every individual with an AKA, manually delete them, and reassign them to the correct individual. This is obviously not an ideal solution since it will require a lot of manual labor and re-adding sources and so forth... Because I've never changed RINs after they are assigned I can't verify if this actually is a bug, but it sounds like something to look out for if you do consider a mass-reassignment of identification numbers. (And as always before doing something major like this, make sure your backup is up-to-date!) Cheers, Steve Voght Seattle, WA On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 11:13 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The "double S" is only a computer generated 'warning' that this is a person > who has an AKA in use, and you currently have the 'show AKAs' turned on. > Changing the RIN will only cause the mark to carry itself to the new RIN. > Rich in LA CA > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Problem Changing RINs >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 10:33 AM >> Hi Pauline, >> >> I understand about the "double S" for the name of >> married women, but this is >> not the problem. What happened is that it kept the married >> names of women >> RIN, and now they become associated with the person with >> the changed RIN. >> >> This is probably an indexing problem when changing RIN? >> That is when you >> change the RIN to a number of a female with a married name >> RIN. The RIN is >> not changed with the "double S" >> >> Hope this explanation makes sense? >> >> Carol >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Pauline B. >> Cramer >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:51 PM >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problem Changing RINs >> >> Carol, >> >> If you click on the Index tab, all you have to do to get >> rid of the >> "RINs with the "double S" prefix is to go to >> the Options button in the >> upper right corner and click to turn off the "Include >> Married Names" >> options. What you are calling bogus names should be the >> married names of >> women. This is not a bug, it is a feature. >> >> This feature enables you to find a married woman by looking >> for her >> married surname or maiden name, whichever you remember. It >> is especially >> useful for women who have been married two or three times. >> It can help >> you avoid entering two or three records for the same >> individual. The >> names with the squiggle in front of the names are the AKAs. >> You can get >> rid of them from the Index by unchecking the "Include >> Alternate Names" >> in Options. >> >> All the names that come up associated with one single >> unique RIN number >> should be the preferred name for that individual or else >> that >> individual's married name or alternate name for that >> individual. >> >> If that is not the case, then, when you started changing >> RINs, you may >> have inadvertently merged records for two individuals >> without meaning to >> do so. You may have manually entered RIN numbers that were >> already used >> for other existing individuals in the Legacy family file. >> What you are >> calling a bogus name may be the name for another individual >> that was >> already in the database. >> >> Pauline >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > The real problem is
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy with Linux/Wine
Paul, have you looked at the Wine AppDB list? Someone has successfully installed Legacy 7 using Wine 1.0-rc4 on openSUSE 10.3 (see http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3207). They might have some insight for you. Also on that list it appears that Legacy 5 works well under Wine, but Legacy 6 was a total failure for several users. Cheers, Steve On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul, > > Good luck! I've never heard of a Legacy user getting Legacy to work > correctly under WINE. In fact, I've heard of a lot of Windows programs not > doing well under WINE. > > Keep us posted. > > Thanks for using Legacy. > > Sherry > Customer Support > Millennia Corporation > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com > > We are changing the world of genealogy! > > When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. > Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery locations in Legacy
To clarify, since we seem to be going in circles somewhat on this discussion -- the problem here is NOT with Legacy, but instead has to do with how you encoded the name and how Microsoft Virtual Earth interprets that data. If anyone here deserves chiding for not locating a big cemetery in an urban area (even with the potential misspelling of the name), it's Microsoft. The Legacy Geo database contains GPS coordinates for most large-scale locations (cities/towns), which helps to ensure uniform and correctly-spelled place-names, but any time you get more specific than a borough, by adding an address or building name, the responsibility falls upon the Microsoft Virtual Earth software to pinpoint the precise location. Often I find that I need to tweak my addresses as initially entered into Legacy to help VE find the location, and occasionally VE is just plain dumb and sees something like the word 'Erie' and assumes I mean Pennsylvania, not the county in New York or the name of a hospital... despite my being very explicit with an address that would be sufficient for the US Postal Service to deliver to the correct location. In those cases you can always manually revise the mapping by opening the Geo Locations list and right-clicking in the correct location on the map. Alternately, you can also try entering the street address (e.g. use '123 Delaware Ave' instead of 'Forest Lawn Cemetery'), have VE do the mapping with that, and once you have confirmed the correct coordinates *then* change your master location to the cemetery name and use those same coordinates. It's an extra step, but it often saves tearing hair out or manually searching the global map. On the Legacy side, part of this issue boils down to the aggrivation of having the first four location points default to city/county/state/country and then adding in address as point five and beyond, but no decent genealogy software provides separate entry boxes for address, town, city, state and country (and frankly with so many different standards accross the world that wouldn't be very good for many of us anyway!) As usual, the trade-off for more customized data entry is this occasional bit of annoyance when seemingly-basic tasks like mapping go awry. Cheers, Steve Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
