[LegacyUG] You people are making me work too hard!
Gathering family information has been for my own pleasure over some years. >From time to time I buy a subscription online or make visits to the local LDS library to find new stuff. It is for my own use. I do not plan to publish and none of my offspring seem particularly interested. Gathering names and dates was the goal. I started with FTM, then migrated to Legacy after reading some reviews. Then I come into possession of all the records and notes collected over the lifetime of my parents and realize that what they contain will end with me unless I do something with them. Along comes the Legacy Users Group. 'Nuff said. I am re-examining my work, my sources, my format. Why? Pride, I guess. The feeling of a job well done. Maybe someday someone will actually look at this stuff. The people here have made me realize the importance of accurate information and ways to find and document same. The conversation about sourcing has been particularly helpful. I am gradually creating my own templates and methods. I have also found useful tips and tools on this list. Thanks, and keep on talking! Judie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
The original purpose, I believe, for banning HTML messages was their size. Most lists didn't have the capability of handling them. These days HTML messages are more reasonable in size and servers have greater capacity. It's just one of those realities of life where things change, and they are not always to our liking. As has been mentioned, not everyone is adept at computers and some just couldn't make the change without help, or don't even realize that they are sending HTML as it is the default for their mail program. While my aging eyes find the small fonts difficult, I appreciate the huge bold ones . I do, however, object to intentionally added items such as advertisements, attachments, decorations, smilies, pictures, and the like. There is a place for such things, but, IMHO, this list is not one of them. Personally, I dislike receiving long, long posts that include every reply to a subject with the lines added by Legacy at the end of each one. The clutter drives me crazy. I guess we each have our little peeves that annoy us. Some prefer it that way so that they can remember the entire conversation. My advice...relax and appreciate the variety! Judie * Sherry, * * Is there absolutely no way at all for the Legacy usergroup * software/server to block HTML messages. The amount of HTML messages * to * the list are getting ridiculous. I don't know which is worse, the font * that is so small one needs a magnifying glass to read it, or the the * messages that people feel compelled to use a either a colored font or a * huge bold font. I beleive you could send out 20 requests a day asking * people to refrain from using HTML and they are just not going to comply, * whether by choice or lack of knowledge. If HTML messages were blocked * like they are on rootsweb's mailing lists, then folks would be forced to * either send a plain text message or they would not be able to * participate on the list. * * Thank you, * Ron Bernier * -- * Ron Bernier * Woonsocket, RI -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Please Stop Sending HTML messages to the List
I have never received a read confirmation request from this list. I do receive them from personal emails occasionally. I wonder why they don't get through to me from the list and they do to others. Strange. Judie * Paul * * Could you please turn off your request for a read confirmation? These * popups * are annoying and completely unappreciated * * Don -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing
Jenny! You are wonderful! I finally "see". I now realize that others have said the same thing, but it just didn't penetrate this thick skull. When "show all events" is unchecked, I have no problem with not seeing unsourced events if that is the only purpose to that screen. But to add a source to an event, one is compelled to use that same screen. For that purpose, one cannot add a source to a previously-entered event, or even the one being newly entered (unless there is one on the clipboard to paste) with "show all events" unchecked. Yes, I know it is a simple matter to re-check the box when needed, but it is less elegant...interrupts the "flow" as it were. I value an uncluttered screen. It would generally be more useful to display, say, only events containing data...those with sources, those with information but no source, and those with source only. Perhaps another checkbox "Show events with data" or something. It seems a rather simple function that would not stress the programmers too much. Perhaps it could be done as a "break" from struggling with more difficult issues. Judie * -Original Message- * From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:35 AM * To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com * * I found it hard to understand what the poster was wishing for at first, * but I have grasped it now and I agree that it would be a neat feature. * * If you enter the Assigned Sources screen because you have just entered * new data (let us say Date and Place of Death) and choose to have the * Show All Events unticked, it would be helpful if you could see the * Events for which you have already assigned Sources *and* the Event for * which you are about to assign a Source - in this case, Death. * -- * Jenny M Benson * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing
Clarence, I guess I’m not getting the point. I do not expect to see unsourced events when I open the “Assigned Sources” screen. I expect to see what sources have been assigned for that person. If I want to see all data entered for an individual, both sourced and unsourced, I look at the “Individual’s Information” screen. I can tell at a glance what data is entered for that person, and whether there are sources assigned. If I want to add a source to an event, I just place my cursor in that event, click to highlight it, then click on the source icon (the books). It opens to the event I highlighted, and I add the source. I’m sorry for not understanding your dilemma. I really hope someone has an “aha” about your question and can offer a solution. Judie From: Clarence Mundt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing Judie; As it is now, you would only see events you have sourced, even if you have added data to other events. Yes, I would like it to show all events you have entered data and those you have sourced (as it is now). Clarence - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing On the assigned sources screen, there is a checkbox just below the large "add a new source" button. It says "Show all events". Uncheck it, and you will see only events that have data entered. Is this what you are asking? Judie * -Original Message- * From: ronald ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:38 AM * To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing * Pat, * * Now I really don't understand what Clarence was saying. Under Assigned * Sources there are only a handful of basic, and in my view essential events * eg BMD's etc. Any others are created by the events which the author puts * there and, therefore, for which there is presumably a source. These are also * specific to that Individual and do not appear on any other Assigned Source * List. * * I took it that his number of 500 must have come from Master Sources or * Source Types, and these can be deleted. Sorry that in this respect I was not * clear myself. * * Meanwhile, I am more than ever convinced that the basic Assigned Sources * should retained and even more confused as to what 500 events he is * referring * to. * * Ron Ferguson * * * * * * _ * * * For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: * http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ * *New Blogs: Transparency with The GIMP, Downloadable UK History * Timeline * * Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw * http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ * _ * _ * * * * * * >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing * >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) * > * >Well, I don't see how. I just went to the Assigned Sources Screen for * >John Doe, who is still alive, highlighted the burial event and clicked * >REMOVE and it's still there. Also seems like a cumbersome process, to * put * >it mildly. * > * >Pat Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help
RE: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing
Oops...hit the send button too soon. After removing the check from the show all events box, when you want to add an event, rather that scrolling through all the possibilities, just start typing the name of the event in the box at the top. After the first few letters the one you want will appear. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing
On the assigned sources screen, there is a checkbox just below the large "add a new source" button. It says "Show all events". Uncheck it, and you will see only events that have data entered. Is this what you are asking? Judie * -Original Message- * From: ronald ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:38 AM * To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing * Pat, * * Now I really don't understand what Clarence was saying. Under Assigned * Sources there are only a handful of basic, and in my view essential events * eg BMD's etc. Any others are created by the events which the author puts * there and, therefore, for which there is presumably a source. These are also * specific to that Individual and do not appear on any other Assigned Source * List. * * I took it that his number of 500 must have come from Master Sources or * Source Types, and these can be deleted. Sorry that in this respect I was not * clear myself. * * Meanwhile, I am more than ever convinced that the basic Assigned Sources * should retained and even more confused as to what 500 events he is * referring * to. * * Ron Ferguson * * * * * * _ * * * For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: * http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ * *New Blogs: Transparency with The GIMP, Downloadable UK History * Timeline * * Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw * http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ * _ * _ * * * * * * >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem with sourcing * >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) * > * >Well, I don't see how. I just went to the Assigned Sources Screen for * >John Doe, who is still alive, highlighted the burial event and clicked * >REMOVE and it's still there. Also seems like a cumbersome process, to * put * >it mildly. * > * >Pat Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adding Pictures
Hi Pat, As others have said, embedded information comes from programs you have used to scan or edit the photo. I always make copies of my photos for the Legacy folder in jpg with a slightly reduced quality/size. This saves time and space, and preserves the original, with its embedded information, in another location. I do all my scans in tiff at a fairly high resolution so that they are easier to edit. Legacy doesn't need them to be that large. It doesn't really affect the printout. Therefore, you can choose "no" and never worry! Judie * I have used Legacy (I have the latest -110- build) for some time but am * just getting around to adding pictures. * * I have added a picture (made in 1878) without too much difficulty, but I * have one question. * * At one point it said something about there being embedded info or script * in the picture and asked if I wanted that info put in the description * field. * * So I said yes, thinking it was referring to the caption my father had * printed on the bottom of the picture. * * So what it put into the description field was "LEAD Technologies, Inc.VI.01" * * I have no idea where that info came from -- that doesn't sound like * something from 1878! * * So my question is -- Is that information something I should keep for some * reason? And do you know where it came from?? * * Thanks again! * * Pat Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] OT response to Fonts on Family View
Advice that has turned into my golden rule through years of computer glitches: "Before you try to fix any problem, reboot, then reboot into safe mode, then turn the computer off and leave it for 45 minutes...if the problem persists, try something else." The reboot or rest cures the problem 50% of the time. Gremlins multiply in the memory, I swear! Glad your problem is gone! The craziest problem I have had recently that took many hours of re-configuration and frustration: Computer won't get past a certain point when it boots...hangs partway through loading windows drivers. If you wait for 45 minutes or so, it finishes booting and performs perfectly! The culprit turned out to be that the computer doesn't like to boot with a jump drive in the USB router. Take it out, problem solved. Darned electronic menaces, these machines. But what would we do without them? Judie Seattle, USA * * God Morning list * Thank you to Cathy and Peter for advice about changing Font * However when I switched on this morning everything was back to what I * wanted and I had not touched anything since I switched off last night * Great this Legacy ... reads my mind overnight * Thanks again for all your assistance * John * Manchester * England * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] additional location data
John, if you select the geo location icon for the "normal" address, you will see two entries: Core and Core+. Default for Core is a shortened form of the location using abbreviations. When you want to enter townships, etc., enter the full location including them in the Core+ (default). In Core, enter just what you want to print. When you print, select "Report Options" then "use short location names." This would mean that all location names would print with the short form. Judie * -Original Message- * From: John D. Taylor III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:39 AM * To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: [LegacyUG] additional location data * * * Replies will be sent through Spamex to * LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 * * * In some areas of the country such as New Jersey, the municipalities are * broken down into more than city, county, state, country. In New Jersey * there or towns that are located within townships which are located within * counties that are located within the state. * * Without disturbing the natural working of Legacy's features other than * displaying on the screen and in reports by using brackets or some other * symbols around the township? * * In other words, I would like to be able to enter the city, the township, the * county, the state, and the country, and have legacy only recognize the * township for the purposes of displaying on the screen and reports, but since * this is rare occasions that I would be using additional location information * such as township, I would want it to interfere with the county verifier, or * the latitude and longitude search, and so forth. * * Or is there some other way to accomplish my goal within legacy? * * Thanks * John D. Taylor III * * * * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp * * To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: * http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ * * For online technical support, please visit * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp * * To unsubscribe please visit: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp * * * * * -- * No virus found in this incoming message. * Checked by AVG Free Edition. * Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] PDFs and RTFs
Brian, I think they are talking about the preview. If you select preview, it gives you what looks to be an rtf-type rendering. It is after the preview that you select "create", so it appears that it is not a pdf file. Perhaps you could clarify. Thanks Judie * -Original Message- * From: Brian/Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 1:45 PM * To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDFs and RTFs * * Alastair, * * I just ran a Descendant Narrative Report for Asa Clark Brown in the * Sample File on a Pentium 150 with 96 MB of Memory. It took close to * three minutes to generate the report for the preview and at no time did * I see any sign that there was some kind of intermediate file on the * screen. It went directly from the sheet counter display in the printer * on the report set up screen to the display of the preview. As one of the * other users asked, where are you seeing signs of this intermediate file? * * Brian * Customer Support * Millennia Corporation * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com * * We are changing the world of genealogy! * * When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. * Thanks. * * * Alastair Lack wrote: * > Couimet3 - , if you watch carefully what is happening, Legacy goes * > through two processes. First it creates a formatted text file that is * > much better than its RTF file, then it goes on to create the PDF. * > * > It would improve the reporting facillity considerably if the two * > processes could be separated. * > * > Pat, you can of course download the free Acrobat reader - but that * > doesn't help. We are talking about creating PDF files, not reading * > them * > * > Well, Sherry or Ken - can we interrupt the process? * > * > Regards * > * > Alastair * * * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp * * To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: * http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ * * For online technical support, please visit * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp * * To unsubscribe please visit: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp * * * * * -- * No virus found in this incoming message. * Checked by AVG Free Edition. * Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Scanning (Off-topic?)
Briefly, for general interest, then I'll email more detail directly to Arnold. In general, use tif format for anything where size doesn't matter and quality does. Black and white is not a good option. 300 dpi is fine for documents you plan to print out in their original size. Higher dpi is usually used for when you want to enlarge printed size. It can also help when you want to blow it up on screen to study detail. It is usually best to use photo/color setting. A photocopy that's not the greatest can be improved by editing, but ALWAYS save the original. Good luck! Judie * -Original Message- * From: Arnold Sprague [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:46 AM * To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: [LegacyUG] Scanning (Off-topic?) * * * Replies will be sent through Spamex to * LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 * * As this may be off-topic, replies ought to be sent to me at * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. If it's not off-topic and is of general * interest, reply here. * I need advice from those with experience who have scanned various * vital records. I am mostly concerned with documents which are * photocopies, that is, those records that are black text on white * paper. I have been experimenting with .tif and .gif files. I have * tried 300dpi and 600dpi. I have used Photo/Color, Magazine/Color, and * Newspaper/Black & White. Sometimes it seems that Photo/Color works * best. Sometimes it seems that 600dpi works best. * My goal is to scan/copy into a graphic file what the original * document looks like with minimal loss in detail. Your experience will * be most helpful. * The size of the resulting file is not a limiting consideration * anymore with large and fairly cheap hard drives. * Thank you in advance, Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Prepositions with location names
That’s interesting to know, Wayne. Is the problem that it is not accurate outside the US? I rely on it to correct my errors in spelling of a place name or assigning a town to the wrong county or province. For my Swedish line, it helps enormously in locating a place mentioned in a source. It is certainly not as thorough as it is in the US, though. It doesn’t even address places like Afghanistan, which changes nearly every day. :) Judie From: Wayne Martell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 12:13 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions with location names Your geo database idea may be fine for those Americans who use it but for the rest of the world it is a non-starter. Personally, I would be quite happy if it suddenly disappeared. Wayne Martell Victoria, BC, Canada - Original Message - From: Ron Taylor To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions with location names The second thing that is needed to clean up locations is an option to check all locations versus the geo database and automatically set a "matched with geo database" flag. This flag is not the same as the manually set verified flag. It would only be set by the compare locations with geo database process. Subsequent tests could check all locations again or just those without the flag set. Then the user could search for locations that are not matched. Non-matches could be caused by a number of reasons which the user could address but all the locations that do match would probably not need further verification. This implies that the geo database will have meaningful and regular updates to make it more useful. One thing that is especially needed in the geo database and the Legacy program is the ability to make all locations either time sensitive or current. This should be done by an option that can be customized by the user. Once each location has its true longitude and latitude set it should not be difficult to switch between them. This would simplify the problems with the County Verifier complaining about date correctness and not being able to search the time sensitive location name in the geo database. In other words, only one consolidated master geo database would be needed instead of the two that are involved now and that one would have the ability to do time-sensitive lookups, etc. This capability would apply to all locations and not just USA. I know this is a big chunk to bite off but it needs to be done and it will require some serious table and programming modifications. It can be done in steps with the first two as outlined above to have a separate master list of location modifiers (prepositions) and also a "matched with geo database" flag with accompanying programs to compare and set such flag. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Creating GEDCOM
My previous program was FTM. I used it for years and it was a challenge to transfer to Legacy, but now I am comfy with Legacy and really like most of the features. I did like the charts, though, and with all the talk here about them, I decided to try to port my database to FTM and create some charts. Questions: There are several choices in Legacy about how it should create the GEDCOM. Which one is best to use? When I import to FTM, it tells me I have a gazillion errors. Is this a problem for just creating charts? Any way to avoid them? Cheers, Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] John Doe married.
Dear Alastair, It is not you who is dense. I answered without checking thoroughly. I've just tried everything I can imagine, and have found the problem to be in the Descendant book and Ancestor book. The Descendant Narrative Book says "John Doe married and had one child." No problem there. But the others just say "John Doe married." I went on to check out doing a report on someone who never married, but had children. The report said that "Jane Doe married and had children." I edited her marriage (which didn't exist) and checked the box "this couple never married." The report then said, "Jane Doe had children." "John Doe married" and "Jane Doe had children" stand out as redundant and awkward in these reports. Is this a bug or a new feature request, I wonder. Judie * -Original Message- * From: Alastair Lack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:18 PM * To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] John Doe married. * * Dear Judie, * I'm so sorry to be dense, but I've not quite got it. * Editing event sentence definitions - no problem - thankyou. * However 'marriage' itself is not an event, as far as I can see. If I * click on the marriage bar, the marriage information window pops up, * and has the date, place, status etc. and the option to add events. * But not the option to edit the marriage sentence itself, from what I can see. * What am I missing? * Alastair * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Modified Date & Data Loss
Jan, This is probably a stretch, but did you back up your file when exiting on that date? If so, and you have more than one backup file, look in the folder where your backups are kept and see if there is a file with the date and time of your lost data. If there is, it probably got backed up to the wrong file and your data is there, but the data in the other file has been overwritten and is lost. Otherwise, I can certainly not explain your experience. I hope someone can, to prevent it for others in the future. Let us know. Judie From: Jan Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:27 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Modified Date & Data Loss Ron Thanks for your response. I didn't change the preferred family, but I've accepted that my doing the transactions I did then the modified date would have been changed. However I did definately lose the data input bwtween 1500hrs and about 2100hrs on 1st August. I'm at a loss to explain as Legacy [or my computer] didn't 'crash' or anything similar. Thanks again Jan On 03/08/06, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Jan, I suspect that you mean the date in the bottom rh corner of the main screens. I have not tested this but I suspect that if the preferred family is reset then certainly all the individuals in that line will have been changed and, therefore, I would expect the "modified date" to be changed. Similarly had there been a different preferred family previously their data will have been changed as well. Whether this would have any effect on other individuals in the db I do not know but I would not have thought so. Thus I would not expect you to have lost your data but if you are searching for files modified in a specific time range then the time of modification may well have changed. Ron Ferguson ___ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blogs: Legacy Search & Use Open Office* Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ ___ >From: "Jan Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >To: "Legacy User Group" >Subject: [LegacyUG] Modified Date & Data Loss >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:22:02 +0100 (GMT Standard Time) > >Could someone clarify the 'modified date' for entries please. Should the >modified date be amended for all records if you for example 'set direct >line >as preferred' or 'set relationships' ? > > > >Reason I'm asking is that I did the 'set direct line as preferred' first >thing this morning. I then discovered about 2 hours ago that all of data >input yesterday after 1500hrs has been lost for some peculiar reason and >was >looking for a way to search for records modified anytime yesterday between >0900hrs and 1500hrs. > > > >Yes I did do a back-up yesterday but unfortunately it was when I closed the >computer down at about 2100hrs - and obviously it doesn't contain all the >inputting between 1500hrs and 2100hrs. > > > >Anyone else hit this sort of problem before? > > > >Jan Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] John Doe married.
Open marriage event, "edit" " "edit event sentence definition" . The last item is "if Desc, Date, and Place are empty." Delete the words in that box. You now have nothing where nothing is known. I have done that with all events. Why say something about nothing, I always say. :) Judie * -Original Message- * From: Alastair Lack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:40 PM * To: Legacy Letters * Subject: [LegacyUG] John Doe married. * * * Replies will be sent through Spamex to * LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 * * I have a problem in that Legacy reports 'John Doe married' when the * spouse is unknown * ___ * * For reports to produce as default a claim that John Doe married when * not supported by evidence is inappropriate. Unfortunately deleting the * word 'married' as Sharon suggests has no effect. * * I suppose going through every person this affects and putting the * marriage status to 'unknown' (an added status) would get a lot of time * and ink wasted, but it seems to me that the general rule that when you * don't know about something, keep quiet, is not being followed. * * Is there any way to produce nothing if nothing is known? * * Alastair * * Sorry - shouldn't have included several topics in one post. * * On 01/08/06, Sharon Perdue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * * > >>We also have the problem of when a spouse is not known, Legacy * reports * > >>'John Doe married'. * > Click on the Marriage for the person and change the "Report Phrases" * > near the bottom to what you want it to say. Example: I have a woman * who * > had a child and I do not know who the father was, and the child was put up * > for adoption. I changed "married" to "had a relationship with a man * > (Unknown Name)". For their marriage status, I have chosen "Unmarried", * > which also prints. The report reads as: "Mary had a relationship with a * man * > (Unknown Name). Marriage Status: Unmarried. They had one son: (No * Given * > Name)." * > If you know the person was married but don't know the name of the * > person, you can change the wording to "married unknown", but what it is * > currently showing seems fine - "John Doe married". * > * > Sharon * * * -- * * Warm regards :-) * * Alastair Lack * * * Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp * * To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: * http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ * * For online technical support, please visit * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp * * To unsubscribe please visit: * http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp * * * * * -- * No virus found in this incoming message. * Checked by AVG Free Edition. * Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/404 - Release Date: 7/31/2006 Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Back-Up Tools - MS Powertoy SyncToy
Judie * -Original Message- * From: C.G. Ouimet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:11 AM * To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com * Subject: [LegacyUG] Back-Up Tools - MS Powertoy SyncToy * This is nothing short of fantastic!!! Thank you. And the price is right in my range! Judie * * Replies will be sent through Spamex to * LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 * * * My favourite tool for synchronizing files and folders between * different drives and between computers via an external drive or via a * network is SyncToy, one of Microsoft Powertoy's ... * * http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/syn * ctoy.mspx * * * * C.G. Ouimet * Kingston, Ontario Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] To keep or not to keep?
Absolutely! There are some "treasures" I would never consider throwing out, such as a set of letters from Sweden to the family in America, including descriptions of the death and burial of each of the parents, as well as anecdotes about their lives back in Sweden. They are quite fragile now, so I have copied them, sealed them in acid-free sleeves and placed them in a binder to protect them from light. These will be passed on to my children or donated to the Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center at Augustana College. On this track, I am beginning to wonder whether I should do a better job with letters of this kind, lengthy biographies written by family members, personal histories written by the person, newspaper articles, etc. I have placed them all under Notes, but looking at the print preview, it all looks a bit "thrown together." Is there a more polished way to handle these with Legacy? Judie * Cary is on the right track here about donating your files to a local society or * library. They will * usually store them in their "manuscript collection" and generally make them * available to the public. * I have found wonderful things in manuscript collections through NUCMUC * (National Union Catalog of * Manuscript Collections) on the Library of Congress webpage. This was in * print form in the eighties * and available in most large libraries, but is now online. * * I understand that most of the old diaries, letters, postcards, and manuscripts * are either thrown out * by heirs or end up on ebay. Much better to donate them. * * Helen Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Gedcom Import Issue
Hi Jan, Bring up the couple in Family View>Edit>Swap Husband and Wife. Here I thought Legacy was a family-rated program. Now I find out it allows wife-swapping. What nerve :) Judie I have imported a Gedcom file that apparently has a few marriages with the male spouse marked as female. I cannot find how to fix that as the gender radio buttons are grayed out. Thanks for the help. Jan B. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] To keep or not to keep?
I Love the quote, Dawn! I fully agree with you, and have kept any note that includes personality or other interesting information. I'm referring to things like, "Hi, Bruce and Pat, good to hear from you. Life is hectic here right now, so I'll just send the information you requested. We're looking forward to your visit in July! Dan and I were married in Reno September 6, 1934." etc, etc... I just realized that this is off-topic...not related to Legacy itself, so if anyone has further advice, maybe it would be best off-list. Thanks, Judie To quote John Adams: "I am half inclined to be very angry with you for destroying the anecdotes and documents you had collected for private memoirs of the American Revolution. From the memoirs of individuals the true springs of events and the real motives of actions are to be made known to posterity." --John Adams to Benjamin Rush, 4 December 1805 (text from the "History and Memory" chapter of The Wisdom of John and Abigail Adams, edited by R. B. Bernstein ) Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] To keep or not to keep?
Genealogy has mainly been a lark for me over the years fueled by curiosity. Filling in the blanks was the goal, not documenting every word. Using Legacy made me rethink my approach, along with communication with a cousin who does it the "right" way. Her records made me realize that it is important for my descendents to be able to find where I got my information. I am slowly documenting what I can of my research instead of gleefully adding names...not much fun in that! This list is being enormously helpful. When my parents died (father in 1996 and mother in 2003), I gathered all the papers they had saved relating to genealogy. Happily, I had spent time with each of them identifying old photos and documenting stories. The papers have been sitting for a long time. A few months ago, I finally started organizing and transcribing them. I am archiving original legal and other important documents, of course. However, there were reams of letters and notes from family members. I have transcribed them verbatim and noted that they were handwritten letters from so-and-so, then discarded them to save space. Now I am thinking that I am destroying original records and should be given 20 lashes! But, says me, these are like oral history, not solid documents like birth certificates and such. It seems that trying to keep every scrap of paper is unwieldy and unnecessary. How do you decide what to preserve? Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
You understand perfectly, Rob! I had changed the designations as you advised. I just can't get Legacy to drop the "husband, his, him" designation in some reports. I'm slowly getting sentences edited, but can see that there is no way to change the gender globally. Thanks for addressing my question. Judie >Judie, >In the so-called "Marriage Information" box, you can select at the bottom the >designation of each partner. Simply Change "Husband" to "Partner 1" and >"Wife" to "Partner 2". You can also edit the way certain words look in reports >in the same dialogue. >Or have I misunderstood your problem? Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: PRIVATE REPLY - Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
>Well, that was pretty stupid of me, wasn't it?! List Posting 101 - check the >address to which you're sending your mail! Too funny, Wendy. Hey, come join me in the teapot...the water's fine and the tempest is invigorating! I appreciate the kind, supportive words from you and the others. I haven't the slightest inclination to leave the list. There is too much to be gained here. My skin has toughened over the years on the internet. This whole discussion would have proceeded differently face-to-face. The fact is that communication in this medium is hard. Printed words seem to carry more intensity and intentions are easily misinterpreted. It is best to read even the harshest-seeming message with an eye to gaining something. I like to believe that we are all here in the spirit of helping each other. On the way to receiving an actual suggestion in response to my question, I gained understanding... Genealogists generally fall into three groups. There are those who stick to the bloodsucker path, those who prefer the hysterical path, and the hysterical bloodsuckers who try to do it all. Forgive me. It is late. I belong in bed...wait...they're coming to get me.. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
Me, too, Tom. Actually, I learned a lot from the discussion but am sorry to have stirred up controversy. Has anyone considered creating a FAQ for this list so that newbies don't endlessly bring up old issues? My original question was quite innocent, but now I feel like a troll. Even so, I am grateful for the insight into genealogical issues and the various ways people see them. Thanks everyone, Judie >And with that I am out of here. If anyone wishes to continue the discussion >I will be happy to do so off line. >Tom Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Book report problem again
Lyall, here's what I do. Create a PDF file. Open it. On the menu bar at the top, click "edit" then choose "copy to clipboard." Open Word Paste Hope this helps! Judie -Original Message- From: Lyall Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:34 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] Book report problem again * Replies will be sent through Spamex to LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 Hello, Thankyou Peter for your reply. I have Legacy 6 Deluxe. I am supposed to be generating a Narrative book report for a Family Book to be printed later on. I need to be able to alter the wording, or add in that a photo/article is to be inserted etc. (As someone else is going to do the final editing etc) When I go into Book reports and select either Regular or Modified and select "Preview" both give the line back to the starting person. But when I ask it to Create it as a Text-which it does in Notepad and to save it-when I then open it the lines back to the starting person are not there. (Of course I could add them all in I guess) but I am trying to be lazy, as have a lot of large families to do. I see they are there in a pdf file, but I can`t seem to be able to alter that. Also they are there in HTML or Rich text, but I don`t know what to do with those types of files. So really just need a simple file such as a text file that I can alter to suit. With many Thanks Lyall Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
Sometimes it's hard to phrase a question clearly...sorry. Let me try again. >Genelogy is all about "genes" - i.e. the bloodline. Either an individual is in the >bloodline or not. In this case if the mother of the child is indeed in the bloodline then >the partner relationship actually has no bearing on the situation. I'm assuming here that you refer to my bloodline, where the issue arises. The adoptive member of the couple is in my bloodline, not the biological one. >But if the mother is not in the bloodline then actually none should be included in the >data base as there is no blood relationship to the ancestors. I understand this. She is not. >The child will be eligible for inclusion in the fathers biological line but not the >mothers. This is the part I don't understand. I know that the child is not considered part of my bloodline. Since the father is not known, are you saying that the child is not considered part of any bloodline? Is it traced only through male ancestors? Thanks for your patience, Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Desc. Narrative problem
Jan, try this, if you haven't already: In family view, open the family where Karen is the daughter. Right click on any of the children, and choose "Children's Settings." Highlight Karen and see if there is an entry in "Relationship to Father" at the bottom. If so, make sure it is correct. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
>Below is simply what I would do and reflects my view of genealogy and >reporting. >Ron Ferguson >I would not go down that route as there was no relationship between the >cousins other than joint "mothers". BTW How would you decide as to whom to >give the role of "father/husband" :) Aye, there's the rub, Ron. I would prefer not to have to make that decision at all, and be able to assign them as Parent 1 and Parent 2 or something. But, since I must choose, I look at them and assign the one with short hair wearing plaid flannel shirts the role of husband. ;-) Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
Tom, Wow! I didn't know that. I always thought of genealogy as a historical record rather than a genetic one. Bloodlines and history are each important in their own right. Biological traits are strictly bloodline-related, and very important medically, and for the sake of understanding physical traits. History is an inheritance of experience. To include it for "social" reasons does not fit with my understanding of history. It is important for me to understand "where I came from" beyond biological roots. The experiences of my ancestors have a huge influence on who I am. It seems that the genealogist's inclusion of events and notes acknowledges that. However, it does seem perfectly reasonable, and critically important, to keep biology and history clearly defined. For myself, I lean towards combining them, and including everything I can find about a person's life. So, as you say, I must be very careful to document, document, document, and make it clear to others what kind of database I am creating. I'm just a bit confused by your statement about the bloodline. If a child's father is unknown, are you saying they are not included in the bloodline of the mother??? I don't think you meant that, but could you clarify the rules a bit for me? Thanks! Judie -Original Message- From: Tom Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 9:33 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife * Replies will be sent through Spamex to LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 Genelogy is all about "genes" - i.e. the bloodline. Either an individual is in the bloodline or not. In this case if the mother of the child is indeed in the bloodline then the partner relationship actually has no bearing on the situation. But if the mother is not in the bloodline then actually none should be included in the data base as there is no blood relationship to the ancestors. The child will be eligible for inclusion in the fathers biologicial line but not the mothers. If you wish to make an inelegible exception and include the nuclear family for social reasons just make sure that all is well documented. TomM Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
> A recurring theme ... I apologize. I'm new to the group, and searching the archives seems to not be working at the moment...I tried. Again, I'm very sorry to bring up old issues. Please understand that this is not a social statement of any kind, but rather a desire to document what exists, regardless of my feelings about it. I know this is a difficult issue for many of us. > While it may be legally possible and socially acceptable to have partners > of the same gender, it is biologically and genealogically impossible. Biologically, of course! But why genealogically? As an example: the second of my five children is adopted. When she became an adult, we located her birth mother, who refuses to disclose the identity of the birth father. My daughter is "sealed" in the eyes of the law and the church to her adoptive parents. It is biologically impossible for us to claim her as our child. Should I place her in my Legacy files under her genetic, biological line since we now know half of her biological background? Another example: I know two (heterosexual) female cousins who share a house, neither having ever been married. They decided to become foster parents and eventually adopted a child, with both of them listed as parents on the birth certificate. How are these women and their child correctly entered in a Legacy file? > Allowing same gender parents would lead to much confusion as files > containing such relationships get passed on. The child I mentioned originally has two legal parents, both females. Are you saying that future generations won't be interested in the legal parentage of this child? How is this different from my adopted child Where is the confusion? Sorry to be so long-winded. Genealogy is a hobby for me, and I haven't attended classes or read up on the latest guidelines on how to do it "right." I know it is a very, very complex field. I just want to "do my best." It sounds like the only solution is to explain the actual gender of the "husband" in the notes and let it go at that. No problem. I just wondered. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Relationships not Husband/Wife
I have scoured every corner of Legacy and can't work out this problem. I assume that it cannot be done, but wonder if anyone else has faced this situation and found a solution. In my tree, I have a family with two female parents who have a child. One is the biological parent, the other has adopted the child. I have been able to set the labels for the two women as Partners and their relationship as a life partnership, but cannot assign a correct gender for both of them. Legacy seems to insist that they are husband and wife and married, and tells me that I cannot assign the same gender to a husband and wife This despite checking the box "This couple never married." I also have a few family members who kept their maiden names. I can't find a place to have them show up with their maiden names if they have a husband. I guess I just have a strange family, eh? Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Hi Peter, Check out this web site. http://www.delkin.com/products/archivalgold/scratcharmor.html I read about this product in an article from a photography magazine. It sounds like these disks are great. My concern is that technology changes so rapidly that in 100 years no machine will be able to read any current disk. You are therefore quite correct that hard copy is the only reliable long-term solution. Museums and libraries keep specimens of obsolete technological hardware to enable the retrieval of media from the past. (8-track tapes, Beta format video tapes, early computer/word processor disks, etc.), but I don't want to rely on that being the case in 100 or 200 years. However, I don't want to create a mass of paper documents until I am certain that my research is absolutely correct. At that point, it seems a book would be in order. Printing out a revised hard copy every few months would be wasteful. That's where storage decisions come in. There has been a good variety of excellent advice, information, and ideas in this discussion. That's what I enjoy about this list! My personal choice is to go the external hard drive route for now. I like some of the ideas for automation and plan to check them out. BTW... When CDs were brand new, a clerk in a Radio Shack store showed me how fabulous the new medium was. "These things will last forever. You can use them as a drink coaster or even a Frisbee, and they will still play perfectly. You can't hurt them" Ah, if only!!! Judie -Original Message- From: Peter Haughton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file * Replies will be sent through Spamex to LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com * For additional info click -> http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=10287484 CD-Rs do NOT have such reliability. The longest average life you could expect out of a standard CD-R nowadays would be two years, PROVIDED you kept it under truly ideal conditions, which most of us have no hope achieving. Good luck finding archival CD-Rs. I haven't seen any at all for over two years, and the dyes in all current CD-Rs are poor. The ONLY reliable long term storage is still printed paper, again assuming quality materials and storage. If you use CD-R backups, apart from doing them regularly, you need to check them immediately after burning, and in a DIFFERENT CD drive. This means you MUST have at least TWO CD drives in your computer (easy--CD burners are low cost). Nowadays make that one DVD burner (also burns CDs) and one DVD reader (also reads and maybe burns CDs). As soon as you cannot easily read CDs you have burnt, REPLACE the burner with a new one. Burners are cheap-- treat them as disposable the instant they play up. Peter - Peter Haughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Making a backup of my family file
Regarding Backups: The latest news is that CDs have a reliable life of about 30 years. DVDs, about 10. You can buy archival disks with a longer life. The most reliable backup medium is a hard drive. They are quite inexpensive. I buy an external drive case (about the size of a novel), put in a hard drive, plug it into a USB or flash port, turn it on and drag and drop my important files (Including installation files for Legacy), unplug the drive and store it away from dust and electromagnetic risks. No need for CD burning software at all. Painless and reliable. You can buy external drives ready-made, but doing it yourself is cheaper and very easy. If you do use CD or DVD disks, remember to redo them every few years. Either can be tricky to create so that they will play on other computers. I just use settings that enhance compatibility. The DVD + format seems to be the most universally compatible. To address the problem of your program telling you to insert a disk, I can relate! Each CD recorder has some disks it will not recognize. Different brands of disks use different types of coatings. You will notice that some are blue, some silver, etc. Read the manual that came with your equipment. It should tell you what brands work with your particular hardware. Judie Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
