Re: [LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

That is what I plan to do -- because I am computer savvy. 

However, nobody should need to do that. This is an basic and elementary 
newslist function.

Jeff
  - Original Message - 
  From: Norman Weston 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?


  Jeff,

  I have just returned here after a 3 year or so absence. As an interim measure 
and until you can get properly unsub'd, is it not possible for you to set up a 
mail filter to send these messages directly to your trash/bin without going to 
your inbox?

  Norm Weston
  Spain

  surnames:
  Weston, Thurlby, Doherty, Bettles, Tilley, Edwards & Birchall


  2009/11/11 jeffma...@orthohelp.com 

Good (well sort of) to know I'm not alone.

As you can see I am still getting messages - as if I never unsubscribed. 
With the volume of Legacy newslist messages I just cannot afford to come back 
with Legacy messages having filled my mailbox and crowded out all other mail.

The inability to receive mail as a digest and now the inability to even 
unsubscribe underlines the need for better newslist software.

Jeff


Christine Gibbins wrote:

  Good day m'dears,

  I have that problem too, went away back in Sept. Thinking I had
  usubbed, but came back to a full in box of Legacy Mail!!

  Best Wishes,

  Chris.

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      Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com
  Sent: 10 November 2009 22:16
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  Subject: [LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?

  I've seen emails on the newslist from people who asked how to
  unsubscribe and I just assumed they did not read the bottom of the
  emails which clearly says

  "To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp  "

  Now I understand their dillemna. They were not crazy or uninformed.
  They were just frustrated.

  I've been to that website and unsubscribed - several times ... ! Each
  time the website confirmed that I was indeed unsubscribed.  But, that
  webpage must have not told the newslists because I continue to
  receive messages. Very aggravating.  Something is broken.

  Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?

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Good (well sort of) to know I'm not alone.

As you can see I am still getting messages - as if I never unsubscribed. 
With the volume of Legacy newslist messages I just cannot afford to come 
back with Legacy messages having filled my mailbox and crowded out all other 
mail.


The inability to receive mail as a digest and now the inability to even 
unsubscribe underlines the need for better newslist software.


Jeff

Christine Gibbins wrote:

Good day m'dears,

I have that problem too, went away back in Sept. Thinking I had
usubbed, but came back to a full in box of Legacy Mail!!

Best Wishes,

Chris.

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Behalf Of jeffma...@orthohelp.com
Sent: 10 November 2009 22:16
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Cc: Sherry/Support
Subject: [LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?

I've seen emails on the newslist from people who asked how to
unsubscribe and I just assumed they did not read the bottom of the
emails which clearly says

"To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp  "

Now I understand their dillemna. They were not crazy or uninformed.
They were just frustrated.

I've been to that website and unsubscribed - several times ... ! Each
time the website confirmed that I was indeed unsubscribed.  But, that
webpage must have not told the newslists because I continue to
receive messages. Very aggravating.  Something is broken.

Jeff




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[LegacyUG] Impossible to unsubscribe?

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

I've seen emails on the newslist from people who asked how to unsubscribe 
and I just assumed they did not read the bottom of the emails which clearly 
says


"To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp  "

Now I understand their dillemna. They were not crazy or uninformed.  They 
were just frustrated.


I've been to that website and unsubscribed - several times ... ! Each time 
the website confirmed that I was indeed unsubscribed.  But, that webpage 
must have not told the newslists because I continue to receive messages. 
Very aggravating.  Something is broken.


Jeff 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Me too.

Thank you.

Jeff Malka

Colin Liddell wrote:

John,
I too would be interested to know which software you use to create
these charts, please contact me off list if it is not Legacy.

Colin.
- Original Message -
From: CE Wood
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Charting


Hi John,

Does the software also calculate generations?  Legacy has a
well-documented problem doing that reliably.

In any case, could you send me, off-list perhaps, the name of the
software you use for these marvelous charts?


CE


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From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On
Behalf Of John Magyari
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Charting

The Chart you are describing is sometimes referred to as a "Blood
relationship chart", which is great to show families, children and to
have at family reunions.  I've created several of these for reunions
and family members.  And also find that most of my family members
seem to spend more time looking at this type a chart to see who they
are related to vs just their own ancestry tree.

Sometimes people also want to print an "All-In-One Chart" which would
include everybody you've recorded in your database.
With large databases  this is sometimes unpractical because it's just
to big.
What I do with All-In-One Charts is create subset databases:
For example I'll tag a branch of a tree and then tag people I'm not
sure if connected but possibly, create a gedcom.  Then create an
All-In-One Chart.  This has been helpful when trying to get others to
view the section I'm working and I find it very helpful for myself.

Of the charts I use I find I use the above "All-In-One" and via a
"All-In-One" chart create a "Blood Relationship Charts" for about 65%
of all charts I create.

Of the 8 or 9 different packages I've tried in the past only one
company seems to do a very good job in this area.  Currently we do
not have 
these Chart Types in Legacy.


Another type of Chart I've been requested to do is an Hour Glass Chart
based on all Children as the center node
Ex.  2 Sisters and 1 Brother all married
Create an Hour glass Chart that includes all Ancestors of above 3
Children and their spouses and then the direct descendants of the 3
children.

A few people have asked for their Charts to be created with their a
Step Parent vs their biological parent who skipped out of their lives
(that they don't even care about the skipped out biological parent). 
An All-In-One Chart here is great because you can just delete the

unwanted Biological Parent Tree limb (person and their ancestors)
from the Chart and your left with the functional Family.  The Family
Chart 


Most programs on the market limit their charts to biological ancestors
and descendants and their spouses.
Based on human nature I would imagine that sometimes a few listed in
genealogical databases as biological parents are in fact only the
married parents.

Charts are great when you can create the kinds of charts "YOU" want to
create.

I created a Chart to show my mom of all her relatives, she has help me
collect info over the last 5 years. The chart ended up being 6 feet
high and 20 feet long.  She had no idea that we had collected so much
info. 


john



Jenny M Benson wrote:

rck wrote

Hi, is it possible to create an ancestor chart that also shows
selected cousins, uncles, aunts, etc.?


Your cousins, uncles and aunts are not your ancestors so any chart
which showed them would not be an Ancestor Chart, would it?!




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting Question

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

FWIW, I gave up on Legacy's charting quite some time ago.  I now use 
"FamilyTree SuperTools v2" ( 
http://www.whollygenes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?screen=FTST ) from the makers 
of TMG.  It works much much better, allows coloring and sort of great things. 
It cane even import Legacy files directly.

I think Legacy should drop its Charting program and adopt this one. Far 
superior. It actually comes from a third party.

Jeff
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorraine 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting Question


  Thanks for your response, Ward. I discovered that, too. What I ended up doing 
was scrapping it; using the digital photo software to put the pictures on a 
page with text boxes...there probably is a better way.

  Best regards,
  Lorraine


  On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Ward Walker  wrote:

I hadn't played with Charting much, so my first reaction to this was why 
can't you simply drag half the boxes down so that they are staggered (so 
roughly six children across the page, two rows deep). However, when I went to 
try it, I found that the lines connecting the boxes did not drag in a sensible 
way, so they look really bad. I couldn't find any way to select and drag a 
connecting line, or to get the program to automatically tidy up the line 
routings. Is the program really that crude, or have I overlooked something 
obvious?

 Ward
- Original Message - From: Lorraine
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting Question



Thanks for your response, Jenny. I guess I will try to do it across two 
pages, then.

Regards,
Lorraine


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jenny M Benson  
wrote:

Lorraine wrote


I am trying to create a 2-generation chart of only the parents and their 12 
children using my Legacy Charting. It adds the spouses of the children 
automatically, and I have not been able to find in the help/tips anything that 
allows me to delete the spouses,



I don't know if there is a better way, but one option is to temporarily 
make the spouses invisible (in Legacy.)



or to make the chart print out on a 1-page, 8.5 x 11 page, instead of 
spreading out over 6 pages. Am I just not looking in the right place?



If you are to get 12 children across an 11" page, each box is going to have 
to be quite a bit less than 1", allowing for even a tiny pace between each one. 
 At that size, would you be able to read the names, never mind any other 
information?  Actually, I think 1" is the minimum width for boxes so you won't 
get 12 children onto one sheet.


-- 
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[LegacyUG] Converting TreeDraw files

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Hi

I have an old version of TreeDraw (1.21a).  Does anyone know how to convert 
its proprietary tdr file format into something else that I can use with 
other graphic programs? (My current favorite is Family Tree Super Tools).


Jeff 





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Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources

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Thanks Ward and Connie.

Jeff

Ward Walker wrote:

Jeff,

The thread addresses that as well. In fact, the thread started with
an issue with Basic style sources. In short, if you have a mix of
SourceWriter and Basic style sources, and if you place text in the
Source Detail field of some Basic sources, and if you sometimes want
that text in your citation and sometimes not, then there is a
problem. (I ended up removing text from that field if it was only
there as a comment and not to be in the citation.) I see this as a
Legacy oversight and not a GEDCOM issue. Leaving the box "Override
Source options - include all source information" UNchecked should
only apply to Basic sources, not to SW sources (which always need the
source details). 


Back to your original question about SW sources, Connie's reply
explains it quite well. I expect that a more elaborate GEDCOM file
standard is required, in order to deal with EE style citations.

  Ward

- Original Message -
From: "jeffma...@orthohelp.com" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources



Thanks Ward.  I will look up the thread.

How about the old style sources? Do they export correctly to other
programs and via gedcom?

Jeff

Ward Walker wrote:

No, they will not transfer correctly, even back into Legacy. Yes,
GEDCOM has difficulty.

I mentioned this on-list only 8 days ago. For details, see my post
in the archive on 25 June, titled 'Incomplete Export of Source
Details'. Some types of sources will survive this process better
than others, depending on how much the master and detail fields are
interspersed. 


  Ward

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From: "jeffma...@orthohelp.com" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources



A question about the sources produced by the new source writer:
will they transfer correctly in a gedcom to another genealogy
program? In other words, does gedcom have any difficulty with the
new style of sources compared the to the older style?

Thanks.  Jeff


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Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources

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Thanks Ward.  I will look up the thread.

How about the old style sources? Do they export correctly to other programs 
and via gedcom?


Jeff

Ward Walker wrote:

No, they will not transfer correctly, even back into Legacy. Yes,
GEDCOM has difficulty.

I mentioned this on-list only 8 days ago. For details, see my post in
the archive on 25 June, titled 'Incomplete Export of Source Details'.
Some types of sources will survive this process better than others,
depending on how much the master and detail fields are interspersed.

  Ward

- Original Message -----
From: "jeffma...@orthohelp.com" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources



A question about the sources produced by the new source writer: will
they transfer correctly in a gedcom to another genealogy program? In
other words, does gedcom have any difficulty with the new style of
sources compared the to the older style?

Thanks.  Jeff


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Re: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources

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A question about the sources produced by the new source writer: will they 
transfer correctly in a gedcom to another genealogy program? In other words, 
does gedcom have any difficulty with the new style of sources compared the 
to the older style?


Thanks.  Jeff

RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

I am not ready to mass change yet, but have done a few of the most
used ones. My plan is to go to the Basic Master Source List page,
pick Show list and tag on an unused number. Next Search on that tag
#. For that person found, find where the source is used, copy the
'details', then add the Source Writer to the same 'slot', pasting the
details in.  Then delete the Basic Source for that instance. It may
appear in multiple 'slots', by your prior plan. There may be 'better'
ways to do this, but I will go slow and steady.
Then when the Basic Source, when using show list, finds no one, THEN
delete the source.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Tony Pearce  wrote:


From: Tony Pearce 
Subject: [LegacyUG] combining/replacing sources
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 7:27 PM
approx half of my sources were
entered using the old system and the rest have been entered
using SourceWriter. I am about to start re-entering the old
ones using SourceWriter and am looking for a reliable way to
combine the sources so that all of the existing citation
links remain. The"combine sources" function described in the
help file doesn't seem to work. Any ideas?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Excellent tip.  Worked exactly as you said.

However, I am now using another product for charts which has much greater 
graphic capability and is under $20.  Permits all sorts of things and is 
easy to use. Perhaps Legacy should consider acquiring it or include it among 
their add-ons.


Jeff

Judy Wardlaw wrote:

Jeff Sent


Is there a way to eliminate the boxes' default "3rd column" (or
merge it with the 2nd column) since it is unused in this tree?
Because of the empty 3rd column in each box the longer names in the
2nd column get split into 2 lines when they could easily fit if the
blank 3rd column space was available
to them.  I would rather not reduce font size when box real-estate is
available but unused.


Jeff
If you select your box items and under "Settings" click alignment
"Centre", you will find that your names will spread across the whole
box. If one of your selected items is say aligned left, then you will
have the 2nd and 3rd columns combined, compressing your first item to
2 columns. If you have selected another item aligned right you will
finish up with 3 columns and much compressed information. I usually
select all items "Centre" aligned.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Charting

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Legacy _is_ the best genealogy software out there today.  It's charting 
however is not its strong suit .


Jeff

MJ Harper wrote:

I googled genealogy software, and guess what?  Legacy came up first!

But there are of course other sites of interest.  I just wanted to
mention Cyndi's List.  As thorough as she always is, there is a page
dedicated to gen. software, all kinds of programs, including some
charting ones:


There's another site that puts Legacy first.  It is


I don't know what their qualifications are, in making these
determinations.  But it seems a valuable site for basic gen software
shoppers.
mj


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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

I've just purchased "Family Tree SuperTools v2".  It is extremely capable 
and only costs 17.95.  Uses Legacy's file (and many others) directly. 
Essentially gives you all the capabilities in "The Master Genealogist" using 
Legacy as the front end.  Seems the best of both worlds.  I suspect this 
will be off-topic in the Legacy newslist but will try to send it go them 
too.  It is of use to all Legacy users.


Jeff

Chick Lewis wrote:

I have been following this thread with interest.  I too am looking for
a convenient way to include descendant charts in a book.  A multiple
generation descendant tree is much too large to fit on one page.  Is
TreeDraw capable of splitting a large descendant tree onto multiple
pages?

FTM16 was able to do that but it was not efficient because there was
no control over where the blocks would split and sometimes a page
would only have one block on it. I am looking for something similar to
a pedigree chart that prints multiple pages by referencing itself to
the next continuation page.  Any ideas?  What say you, Ron?

Chick


On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:30 PM, michael
barberi wrote:

Ron:

My style is to always keep searching for various "best-in-class"
tools. I agree with you that this depends on what I want to do. The
truth is my objectives are quite simple. I like to see different
styles of charts, fancy charts, unique charts, charts with other
information you can display on them etc. I would like charts to
convey the information easily "at-a-glance" and not require the
viewer to spend a lot of time figuring it out. I realize that
different people may find one chart easy to understand and while
others like something different. I will be writing a book later this
year...it will take awhile. Hence, I am looking for software that is
unique, easily to understand for readers/viewers and very
eye-appealing. In other words, I like to know the best tools out of
the world of available tools. I hate using one tool only to find out
2 years from now that another tool was available that I might have
like to use (even if this tool was used for a specific purpose with
other tools I have).

I have tried to understand and work with TreeDraw. I don't find
TreeDraw very intuitive. It does not seem to have templates of
charts to choose from. It looks to me like a tool you can use to
customize charts. I don't see any color variations for the family
generations. I don't see various boxes to use, etc. Maybe I have to
spend more time with TreeDraw as you suggest. However, I don't know
even how to get it to print a TreeDraw chart in a certain size. As
you can tell I like simplicity but I don't mind spending time to
understand something that will be worth the effort in the end.

Any further assistance and suggestions would be appreciated.

Mike

In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas.
In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things
love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430)


From: ronald ferguson 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:55:09 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Charting



Mike,

I use Legacy Charting and Tree Draw Legacy depending on what I wish
to do. It is not really possible to afvise you unless you tell what
you are doing, and why they are not suitable.

BTW, whilst Tree Draw does take a bit of getting used to the effort
is well worthwhile.


Ron Ferguson

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:38:55 -0700
From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Charting
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com



Is anyone familiar with the best Charting Program for Legacy?


I have purchased Legacy Charting Companion and TreeDraw for Legacy.
I find that the Legacy Charting Companion is no better than the
charting in Legacy 7+. Also TreeDraw is very complicated (for me)
and I so far I hate it.

Mike Barberi

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In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things
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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Someone sugested I try "Family Tree SuperTools v2" from TMG's Wholly Genes 
and from what I can see it does seems to have the advanced charting 
capabilities I need.  It imports directly from Legacy and for only $17.95 I 
may just go ahead and get it.


Has anyone here used it or have comments about it one way or the other?

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Charting question




Jeff,

For the avoidance of Doubt, does "chart in Legacy 7" mean in Legacy Charting 
or in Reports>Charts?


Which chart do you mean ancestor, descendant etc.?


Ron Ferguson

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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Charting question
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:38:05 -0400

1. I have some long surnames and when I create a chart in Legacy 7 these
long names get broken in "mid-word" into 2 lines. (Word wrap is not
selected). I can obviously prevent that by making the boxes larger, but is
there a way to individually widen a specific box or two?

2. my 3rd column in each box is blank and takes up useless space. Can a
column be eliminated from the chart boxes?

Thanks.

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question

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Hi Ronald

In my case it means what you get when you click on Charting and then
Descendant (Standard).

Is there a way to eliminate the boxes' default "3rd column" (or merge it
with the 2nd column) since it is unused in this tree? Because of the empty
3rd column in each box the longer names in the 2nd column get split into 2
lines when they could easily fit if the blank 3rd column space was available
to them.  I would rather not reduce font size when box real-estate is
available but unused.

Although I am familiar with Legacy's database functions, I've not till now
used Legacy for creating charts and am therefore in unfamiliar territory
with it there.  As far as I know - please correct me if I a wrong -
Reports>Charts does not create box charts, descendant or ancestor.

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Charting question




Jeff,

For the avoidance of Doubt, does "chart in Legacy 7" mean in Legacy Charting
or in Reports>Charts?

Which chart do you mean ancestor, descendant etc.?


Ron Ferguson

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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Charting question
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:38:05 -0400

1. I have some long surnames and when I create a chart in Legacy 7 these
long names get broken in "mid-word" into 2 lines. (Word wrap is not
selected). I can obviously prevent that by making the boxes larger, but is
there a way to individually widen a specific box or two?

2. my 3rd column in each box is blank and takes up useless space. Can a
column be eliminated from the chart boxes?

Thanks.

Jeff




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[LegacyUG] Charting question

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1. I have some long surnames and when I create a chart in Legacy 7 these
long names get broken in "mid-word" into 2 lines. (Word wrap is not
selected). I can obviously prevent that by making the boxes larger, but is
there a way to individually widen a specific box or two?

2. my 3rd column in each box is blank and takes up useless space. Can a 
column be eliminated from the chart boxes?


Thanks.

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question

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Thanks.  But when you drag the boxes the connecting lines go into weird 
angles and as far as I can see there seems no way to change them - or is 
there and I have not found out how?


Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "Judy Wardlaw" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question


Not only can you drag the boxes but you can use the sizing function under 
the Appearance tab. You can then change the size of the boxes, the 
distance between generations and the closeness of the boxes. This function 
with the dragging options allows you great flexibility in fitting your 
chart to the size and shape required.

Judy


Jeff sent


Thank you Patti

I did not realize the boxes were dragable.  That does help

Is there a way to drag or alter the connecting lines too? There are weird 
connections after I drag the boxes.


Jeff





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Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question

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Thank you Patti

I did not realize the boxes were dragable.  That does help

Is there a way to drag or alter the connecting lines too? There are weird 
connections after I drag the boxes.


Jeff
- Original Message - 
From: "Patti Wyble" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Charting question



My apologies for the blank message. Not sure how that happened.

What I was trying to say was that when you're looking at the chart in 
Legacy Charting, use the tray of icons on the left hand side. With the 
arrow tool selected (not the hand tool, etc), select the little tree icon 
where the top half of the tree is highlighted in red. Now, when you click 
on a person and drag, the people under him/her will move with him/her. 
Select every other sibling and drag them down, for example, and you'll be 
able to cut the width by about half. Depending on how many generations 
down it goes, this should be able to solve your problem.

-Patti



- Original Message 
> From: "jeffma...@orthohelp.com"
> To: Legacy User Group
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:52:33 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Charting question
>
> I need to create some 2 generation descendant box charts with photos 
> (among

> many other charts) for a family book and am having trouble because one
> couple had 10 children and its chart needs to fit into one page.
>
> I can make it fit into one page by using a pdf and even entering it in
> landscape on the page, but the text is still far too small.
>
> Legacy's charting is rather limited when it comes to descendant charts:
> there are only 2 vertical choices - males only, or everyone.  Ideally I
> would like to create the chart in a format similar to the "Ancestor 
> overlap"
> format because that would be more legible on a page, especially because 
> of
> the overlap feature.  I realize that I will probably need to purchase 
> some
> different software to achieve this and would like to ask advice as to 
> which

> is considered the most capable or adaptable.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Charting question

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I need to create some 2 generation descendant box charts with photos (among
many other charts) for a family book and am having trouble because one
couple had 10 children and its chart needs to fit into one page.

I can make it fit into one page by using a pdf and even entering it in
landscape on the page, but the text is still far too small.

Legacy's charting is rather limited when it comes to descendant charts:
there are only 2 vertical choices - males only, or everyone.  Ideally I
would like to create the chart in a format similar to the "Ancestor overlap"
format because that would be more legible on a page, especially because of
the overlap feature.  I realize that I will probably need to purchase some
different software to achieve this and would like to ask advice as to which
is considered the most capable or adaptable.

Thanks,

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Things I Would Like to See

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MJ Harper wrote:

The Legacy add-on, GenViewer, does all of these things, and more, and
in micro-second time.  I'm just back to doing my genealogy after
several years.  In the meantime I'd lost contact with my
GenViewer.  So just last night I bought it again at $19.95, and will
testify that it is WELL worth the price.  Look for it at the Legacy
Store page.
Jo Harper


Is the Genviewer Legacy the same as the stand alone Genviewer and Genviewer 
lite?


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[LegacyUG] Automatically downloading DNA results from FTDNA

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Is there a way to automatically download DNA results from FTDNA into Legacy?

With 67 markers it might be error prone to enter them manually.

Jeff



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Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for unsourced data

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Will do.

Jeff

Paula Ryburn wrote:

Well, if you do the Search> Missing Source field-by-field (say, start
with Birth dt & place), then the Print function allows you to print
out everyone who's missing a source for that... you can print their
name & birth information and title it "missing birth source
citations" or some such.


I guess it depends on how you want to "attack" it.

Hey, maybe you can then search the search results list for those born
in a given state, and start searching online or requesting records or
whatever.  


Good luck.. and would you mind posting back here if you find a
workable solution? 
Thanks,

--Paula

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, jeffma...@orthohelp.com
 wrote: 


Yes, I realize that. Thank
you.

However, it would be really nice if the "missing sources"
report would come
in a similar format as that of the "Potential Problems"
report. In that
report
there are only 2 columns:
-Name
-Problem,
the first giving the individual's name and the second
explaining the
problem.

An ideal "Missing Sources" report would also have 2
analogous columns:
-Name and
-the specific item missing a source.
That would be really cool to have and easier to work from.

Ah well. Maybe I can create a report like that from within
Access.

Thanks again.

Jeff






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Re: [LegacyUG] Searching for unsourced data

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Yes, I realize that.  Thank you.

However, it would be really nice if the "missing sources" report would come
in a similar format as that of the "Potential Problems" report.  In that 
report

there are only 2 columns:
-Name
-Problem,
the first giving the individual's name and the second explaining the
problem.

An ideal "Missing Sources" report would also have 2 analogous columns:
-Name and
-the specific item missing a source.
That would be really cool to have and easier to work from.

Ah well. Maybe I can create a report like that from within Access.

Thanks again.

Jeff

Paula Ryburn wrote:

If you click on a name in your search results...
on the Edit tab to the right, the sourced field names should be
highlighted (like they are on the regular Edit Individual screen);
same for Notes tab;
on the Events tab, the "S" column shows which have been sourced;
lastly, the Sources tab shows all the events & source citations (a
little cramped, but...).
Hope this helps.
--Paula

PS--I, too, appreciate these threads, as I've learned how to use the
Search> Missing sources function.. even though a run for
"ALL" gives me way too many individuals!!


--- On Thu, 7/16/09, jeffma...@orthohelp.com
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To find the actual missing sources would I need to search by
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[LegacyUG] Searching for unsourced data

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

The Search>Missing sources is a very useful list that I have not yet used 
and just tried.


When I select "Anything" it provides a list of individuals but not (I think) 
which sources are actually missing.  To find the actual missing sources 
would I need to search by each subset individually or is there a better way?


Thanks.

Jeff
P.S. There is a similar thread about problems with the search in the latest 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7.0.0.97

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Thank you.

Jeff

Ruth Nerud wrote:

I'm doing a Descendent Book Report from Publishing Center. If I
create a .pdf, the Alternate Names appear in the Name Index. If I
create an .rtf in Word, the Alternate Names do not appear in the
Index.. I have to manually do the code. i.e. {xe "Sconza Testa:Ruth"}
after the sentence that begins something like - she is usually called
Ruth Sconza Testa. Then the Index will show the alternate name. I'm
not real good at explanations! 
Ruth

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To: 
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7.0.0.97



Can you clarify what you mean?

Jeff

Ruth Nerud wrote:

I was sorry to see that Alternate Name codes were not included in
this new release so they will print in the Name Index in reports.
I'm still entering the code manually. I wouldn't think that would
be so hard to correct for the programmers.

Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
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Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7.0.0.97

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Can you clarify what you mean?

Jeff

Ruth Nerud wrote:

I was sorry to see that Alternate Name codes were not included in
this new release so they will print in the Name Index in reports. I'm
still entering the code manually. I wouldn't think that would be so
hard to correct for the programmers.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to merge a basic source into ESM template source using Access

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Thank you very much Richard.  Appreciate it.

Jeff
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Subject: [LegacyUG] How to merge a basic source into ESM template source 
using Access



In L7 after vers. 55 sources to be merged must have the same source
templateID, (tblSR TemplateID). Basic TemplateID = 0 and ESM source
template IDs are positive integers. Using Access we can manually
change a basic TemplateID to match that of the ESM source we want to
merge it to.

In Legacy: Tag the 2 sources you want to be merged (1 ESM & 1 basic).

From the source list check "show only tagged sources" to verify you

have only 1 basic & 1 ESM.
Also: For the basic source: Show List > Clear all tag1 > Tag everyone
in List.This will help to fill in the citation template later. From
File > Save Family File as: BasicSource

Close Legacy. Open Access with your main file.fdb.
Add the following select query to view tagged sources:

SELECT tblSR.IDSR, tblSR.SrcName, tblSR.Contents, tblSR.UseStandard,
tblSR.TemplateID, tblSR.SrcTag
FROM tblSR
WHERE (((tblSR.SrcTag)=1));

Manually make following changes on the select query:
Change “TemplateID” of the basic from 0 to equal the positive ID of the ESM.
Change “UseStandard” on the basic from 1 to 0.
Notice “Contents” of ESM record contains a template but the basic remains 
blank.


Close Access. Open Legacy.

Your 2 tagged sources now have the same templateID so they can now be
merged or you can wait till you've filled in the source Detail
templates.

Go through your tagged individuals to fill in citation detail
templates, untag Individuals as templates are filled in until all are
untagged.
Your multimedia will be there, Text/Comments will be there and
Recorded date also. If you can't fill in the citation detail template
from viewing multimedia or Text/Comments go back to your old
BasicSource file.

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Re: [LegacyUG] converting old sources to new format

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

That would be great.  Enjoy your grand-daughter!

Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Van Wasshnova" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] converting old sources to new format


Yes there is Paula. If you have MS Access (or probably with Open
Office also). I have recently been converting my old census sources
from basic to ESM style.
My 3 year old grand-daughter will be here shortly and no time now but
I will send a solution this evening.

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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Paula Ryburn 
wrote:


Is there a way to convert an old source (and citations?) to the new way? I 
mean, besides deleting the old and adding it the new way. Just curious.

Thanks,
--Paula





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Re: [LegacyUG] converting old sources to new format

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I would be in favor of that.

Jeff
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Sprague" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] converting old sources to new format



Paula and Ron,

Initially one could make the conversion. Then a few vocal folks had 
difficulty and the option to convert was taken away.


I have suggested that we be allowed to make the conversion with a 
message/warning to us that the conversation might work badly.


Perhaps if enough of us ask to be allowed to make the conversion at our 
*own* risk, the conversion feature will made part of Legacy once again.


Arnold


At 03:52 PM 6/8/2009, you wrote:
Basically not, Paula. The proposed Source Converter is not available and 
nobody has suggested when it maybe. The best one can do is to use the 
Windows operations (copy/cut/paste etc.) to minimise the work. Personally 
I am only doing them when I revise an individual's details.


Ron Ferguson



> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:56:17 -0700
> From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [LegacyUG] converting old sources to new format
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
> Is there a way to convert an old source (and citations?) to the
new way? I mean, besides deleting the old and adding it the new way. Just 
curious.

> Thanks,
> --Paula





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Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted computer?

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

The presence of a desktop shortcut icon does not mean that program is 
running.  It only runs when you double click on that icon to start the 
program.


To see what programs are currently running on your computer click on the 
following 3 keys simultaneously: Ctrl, Alt, and Del. The Tab "Applications" 
shows you what is actually running.


If your old computer slowed down, that could be due to many reasons.  The 
most likely is that the hard drive needs to be defragmented.  But there are 
many other reasons including infections with a virus, etc.


Jeff


ewinpa wrote:

I have put Legacy, Adobe Reader, and Irfanview for doing genealogy on
my new computer and they all installed icons on my desktop. Doesn't
that mean they are running in the background if they are on my
desktop? I don't know how to install them so that they only 'appear'
when I need to use them (i.e. when I open a file that requires one of
the to view it).

I think this is the same problem I had on my old computer. Tons of
stuff I installed on it put their icons on the desktop and my
computer got so full it slowed down so badly that it because almost
unusable. It sounded like something was running in the background
constantly and I don't know how to keep that from happening again to
this new computer. Help..


Elizabeth



--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Dennis M. Kowallek  wrote:


From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Legacy files to reformatted
computer? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:34 PM
On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:26:18 -0700 (PDT), ewinpa

wrote:


Can anyone help me with my other question? i.e.

"...how would I install Legacy (or any other program
for that matter) in such a way that it will open when I want
to use it but not start up every time I start up my
computer?"

Are you really having this problem or is this a "what
if" question?

Are you saying that after installing Legacy it starts up
when you
reboot? Legacy isn't supposed to do that. If, after
installing Legacy on
your new computer, it starts when you logon to Windows,
come back to us
and we'll figure it out.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Include Legacy Charting charts in Publishing Center

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Very interesting. I went to their website and downloaded them though I have 
not yet installed them to try.


Do you happen to know what these free tools lack that their paid versions or 
Adobe's expensive software can do?


For viewing PDF files I currently use the free FoxitReader.

Jeff



Art Seddon wrote:

Alastair,
http://www.pdfill.com/ has a Free PDF Writer and a Free PGF Tools
which will reorder pages, delete pages, paste pdf files into a single
file, rotate pages and other useful utilities. If you want to delete
page 4, just reorder the pages so that page 4 is the last one, then
delete it.

I use the tools for many things, in and out of genealogy as it is very
simple and straightforward to use. Thay also have other paid programs.

Art Seddon

- Original Message -
From: Alastair Lack
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Include Legacy Charting charts in Publishing
Center


Brian,

Thanks for your advice. You say 'replace the blank pages' provided by
the placeholder.

Apart from regenerating the pdf using a pdf creator, how does one do
that?

To answer Jeff's question as to whether it wouldn't be easier to
manipulate the rtf; well, it would be if MS Word were better at
placing and titling images. I have tried - and put the word macro for
placing pictures up here a couple of years ago, but the pdf produced
by Legacy is really very good, and so I use it if at all possible.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

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I am the OP but have not reported it as a bug because until recently no one
else seemed to be able to even see that there was a problem at all. I am
still not sure I can explain clearly what the problem is in a bug report
without the programmers also ignoring it because (as was the case only a few
days ago in this newsgroup) they do not see the problem and assume I have
just not set the margins or the indents correctly.

Perhaps one you Legacy gurus who actually figured out the problem could
report it better than I could.

Jeff

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:09:25 +0100, ronald ferguson 
wrote:


That I understood, but from where did the 1056 come?


That is the $64,000 question. This value for the 1st generation should
be either right up against the margin (\li0) or fairly close (if the
programmer wants to add a little padding from the margin). But I
wouldn't think this value would vary with your margin selection!

Maybe Dave or whomever is the RTF Report guru will jump in and put an
end to the speculation. I assume the OP has reported this as a bug by
now.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Bravo Neville.  That does the trick for me too.

However it is a bug in the rtf creation formula which Legacy could probably 
easily fix.

Thanks.

Jeff
  - Original Message - 
  From: neville parmenter 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports


  Hi again,

  I just tried something else.  

  When I generated the rtf report in legacy I set the margin in page set up 
there as zero before I printed the rtf.  This seemed to worka treat.  The 
MSWord doc also had a zero left margin but I re set it to 12mm and it seemed 
fine.
  NevP


  2009/5/4 neville parmenter 

Hi Jeff and all,

I too have tried this in different word processors.  I agree that the rtf 
has added the lmargin a second time.  In MSWord I reduced the left margin to 
zero and it all looks good.

The word pad is deceptive as it only shows the print area on the ruler and 
not the left margin.

OOo writer did it differntly again by allowing all people to touch the 
LMargin and still added the indent a second time for all notes on each 
individual.

Hope it helps
NevP


2009/5/4 jeffma...@orthohelp.com 


  It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other 
hand I think then problem is the left margin.

  First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve 
the problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin 
is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1".

  On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is 
indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now).  It is correctly set at
  "Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations).

  When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears 
on screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first 
generation*.  So it looks correct.

  Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of 
the default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in 
Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin and 
subsequent generations by 0.3.

  What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes 
with Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is 
set at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3".  So it looks 
like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is 
interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that indent.

  I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example 
of the rtf produced by Legacy at
  http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf

  You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left 
margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents.  I do not know.

  (Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the 
left margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about 1" 
to the right of that).

  Jeff




  ronald ferguson wrote:

Jeff,

I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to
Open Office which is the WP I use.

For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report
Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening
page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I
have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word.

What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug.



Ron Ferguson

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_____







  From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
  Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400

  Thanks Mark

  That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the
  "Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them,
  all I have are 2 options:
  a) Print Names in bold
  b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line
  spacing, not indents).

  Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page
  Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1s

Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Thank you Jenny.  I was starting to feel real stupid!

Jeff

Jenny M Benson wrote:

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote

Have you tried "Indent each gen: x.x inches" on the Options tab?

And on Options > Report Options > Page Setup you can set the page
margins.


I agree with Jeff's findings.

I set the "Indent each gen" to .3" and the left margin to 1.25 inches.
When the .rtf Report is opened in Word of OO, the first generation is
indented about 1.25" fom the left margin, Each subsequent generation
is correctly indented .3" from the previous one.

When I set the page margin (in Legacy) to 0, the first generation was
very close to the left edge of the page.  I then tried with a margin
of .5" and left the indent at .3" and this time the first generation
was about .5" from the left margin.

So it seems to be that Legacy is adding an indent equal to the Left
Margin setting to the paragraphs of the first generation, but whatever
the margin is set at, the first generation paragraphs should align to
the Left Margin without indent.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

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It may well be a Word bug (and not the first one .). On the other hand I 
think then problem is the left margin.


First,I apologize. I missed the indent setting - but it does not solve the 
problem. I think the problem is that the rtf report assumes the left margin 
is 0" and creates a left margin by indenting everything by 1".


On the main screen for Descendant Narrative Report/Options tab there is 
indeed an indent setting (which I had missed till now).  It is correctly set 
at

"Indent each generation0.3" (and the default 10 generations).

When I then "Preview" the report, the report that appears indeed appears on 
screen indented by 0.3" for each generation *including the first 
generation*.  So it looks correct.


Now, if I select to create the report as "Rich Text Format" instead of the 
default "Screen/Printer", the rtf report that is produced when opened in 
Word has that *first generation indented by about 1"* from the left margin 
and subsequent generations by 0.3.


What is interesting is that if I open that rtf file in Wordpad (comes with 
Windows) it appears correctly but I can see that the document margin is set 
at 0." and the first line is indented far more than the 0.3".  So it looks 
like the rtf creates a 1" indent to simulate a 1" margin and Word is 
interpreting the rtf correctly but has added a real 1" margin to that 
indent.


I no longer have the test file that came with legacy so I put an example of 
the rtf produced by Legacy at

http://www.hold.sephardicgen.com/SMITH_narrative_descendent.rtf

You can save it to your PC and verify. It seems to assume that the left 
margin is 0". Maybe that is the convention for rtf documents.  I do not 
know.


(Or you can create your own rtf and open it in Wordpad and see that the left 
margin seems set at 0 and therefore the first generation starts about 1" to 
the right of that).


Jeff



ronald ferguson wrote:

Jeff,

I am either totally missing the point or Word operates differently to
Open Office which is the WP I use.

For the Descendant Narrative Report the margins can be set in Report
Options>Page Set Up and the indent is set on the opening
page>Options. Both work for me in the range 0 to 1.5 - which is all I
have tried. But,like I say, I am using Open Office and not Word.

What is clear to me is that it is not a Legacy bug.



Ron Ferguson

_

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http://www.fergys.co.uk/
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_____







From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:49 -0400

Thanks Mark

That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the
"Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them,
all I have are 2 options:
a) Print Names in bold
b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line
spacing, not indents).

Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page
Layout are for the amount of indent for the 1st generation.

Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in
Word. The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only
about 0.25" from left margin - which is reasonable. It is only when
using the rtf imported into Word that the indents get to be
unnecessarily excessive.

When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1"
(which is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond
that (which is too much for a first line). If I correct that first
generation indent by reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects
that one line. All the following generation lines below it are
indented progressively greater specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their
indents are not relative to the first indent but relative to the
left margin. So correcting the indents in Word necessitates
correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not
practical.

The only thing that seems to work is to reduce the Word left margin
to close to 0 so that the indents take off from there. But reducing
the margin to close to "0" is not a reasonable or elegant way to
work in Word. What would be best would be to reduce each one of the
indents that Legacy creates (to what they are in the preview) and
there seems to be no option to control those indents for the "rtf".

I am not sure why someone in Legacy thought it was a good idea to
start the first generation almost 1 inch to the right of the margin
when creating an rtf. It is probably a bug because it is differen

Re: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Thanks Mark

That is true for the reports you mention but I was referring to the 
"Descendent narrative" and when I open the page layout tab for them, all I 
have are 2 options:

a) Print Names in bold
b) Custom report spacing (which only gives options about line spacing, not 
indents).


Even for the 2 reports you mention none of the options in Page Layout are 
for the amount of indent for the 1st generation.


Anyway the problem with the indents is only in the "rtf" opened in Word. 
The indents are correct in the preview: 1st generation only about 0.25" from 
left margin - which is reasonable.  It is only when using the rtf imported 
into Word that the indents get to be unnecessarily excessive.


When I open the rtf in Word I see that the left margin is set at 1" (which 
is OK) but the first generation line is set at 0.85" beyond that (which is 
too much for a first line).  If I correct that first generation indent by 
reducing it, it unfortunately only corrects that one line.  All the 
following generation lines below it are indented progressively greater 
specific amounts (1.15", etc.). Their indents are not relative to the first 
indent but relative to the left margin. So correcting the indents in Word 
necessitates correcting each and every paragraph one at a time which is not 
practical.


The only thing that seems to work is to reduce the Word left margin to close 
to 0 so that the indents take off from there.  But reducing the margin to 
close to "0" is not a reasonable or elegant way to work in Word.  What would 
be best would be to reduce each one of the indents that Legacy creates (to 
what they are in the preview) and there seems to be no option to control 
those indents for the "rtf".


I am not sure why someone in Legacy thought it was a good idea to start the 
first generation almost 1 inch to the right of the margin when creating an 
rtf.  It is probably a bug because it is different than what appears in the 
preview. The first generation in the created rtf should logically start 
closer to the left margin - like they do in the preview.


Jeff

Mark Lang wrote:

Jeff,

If you are referring to either the Ancestor and/or Descendant Reports
in Reports > All Reports, are you aware that there is a tab labelled
Page Layout where you can adjust the paragraph indents over 6
different paragraph types. You can always click the [Reset] button to
return to the original settings.

Also, once in Word, you can adjust anything in the RTF file as well.

Kind Regards,
Mark



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Subject: [LegacyUG] Questions about reports

I am working on a descendency narrative report in Legacy Deluxe
7.0.0.9.

When I produce an RTF report and import it into Word, I notice that
Legacy
starts the very first generation already with an indent of over an
inch from the left margin. Is there a way to remove this indent so
that the first
generation starts closer to the left margin?

Jeff







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[LegacyUG] Questions about reports

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I am working on a descendency narrative report in Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9.

When I produce an RTF report and import it into Word, I notice that Legacy
starts the very first generation already with an indent of over an inch
from the left margin. Is there a way to remove this indent so that the first
generation starts closer to the left margin?

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Include Legacy Charting charts in Publishing Center

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

Would it not be simpler to just print the report as an rtf which can be 
imported into a word processor (Microsoft Word or similar) where it can then 
"corrected", expanded, pages and images added, etc.?


Jeff

Brian/Support wrote:

You can use the place holder in the Publishing Center to reserve pages
for the Fan chart produced by Legacy Charting. After you print the
book you replace the blank pages in the Legacy report with the Legacy
Charting pages of the Fan Chart.

Simply use the Place Holder each time you want to insert a Fan Chart.
You will have to produce the Fan Charts first so you know how many
pages to reserve for each one.

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Alastair Lack wrote:

Greetings all,
I want to include a fan chart at the beginning of each grandparent's
section of a book.
Is there a way to include either fan charts created by the newish
Legacy charting? or external files, either pdf, or word docs?
Thanks
Warm regards :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Travelling with Legacy

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I just installed it and imported a gedcom.  It works but is excruciatingly 
slow.  Not too practical from my point of view.


Jeff

Grover Oliver wrote:

I have GRAMPS portable installed in a seperate folder on a Sandisk USB
drive with U3 . It does not need Portable Apps suite or U3. You have
to go into the folder to start it using the .exe but it works OK.
G.C. Oliver

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Gene Young  wrote:

jeffma...@orthohelp.com wrote:


I believe Gramps is a Linux application, not a Windows application
which most Legacy users are.

Am I wrong?

Jeff



Yes..

Portable Gramps is for the portable apps suite of applications that
run on windows. I have not yet had the opportunity to try it but am
in the process of loading it now.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Travelling with Legacy

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Aha!  I will try it too.

Jeff

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Travelling with Legacy



jeffma...@orthohelp.com wrote:
I believe Gramps is a Linux application, not a Windows application which 
most Legacy users are.


Am I wrong?

Jeff



Yes.

Portable Gramps is for the portable apps suite of applications that run on 
windows.  I have not yet had the opportunity to try it but am in the 
process of loading it now.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Travelling with Legacy

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I believe Gramps is a Linux application, not a Windows application which 
most Legacy users are.


Am I wrong?

Jeff
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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Travelling with Legacy


Gayle,

If all you need is to have your Legacy data available for referance
use GRAMPS Portable at http://portableapps.com/node/18728 .

Install GRAMPS on a USB drive then export Legacy file to GEDCOM and
import into GRAMPS. I have done this without a problem.

I do not recomend making changes in Gramps then try to merge back to
Legacy but at least you should have your data as reference.
Also GRAMPS is by no means a replacement for Legacy just a way of
making the data portable.

G.C. Oliver
Athens, Ga.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Gayle Mann  wrote:

I am planning a research trip and would like to have my Legacy information
with me but I will not be able to take a laptop. Is it possible to put the
program and my information on a USB port and use it on someone else's
computer?

Gayle Mann

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[LegacyUG] videos

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When I first purchased Legacy version 6 I also purchased the instructional
videos which in my opinion were excellent and very instructive. Much better
than the manual. I highly recommend them.

Since I am now using Legacy 7 Deluxe, I wonder if there is some upgrade
price for the new version 7 videos.  I assume they are mostly the same but
with a few differences that would make viewing them worthwhile.  Probably
not enough to warrant purchasing a full set all over again, but it would be
nice if a lower "upgrade" price was available for those who already own the
earlier videos and would like to view the new versions.

Does such an upgrade price exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

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Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:


IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be
linked to the correct Individual.


It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


No you are not. Keep it here.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes

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Thanks Harold.

Is there some way of converting the pdf version? Short of owning the expensive 
Adobe software?

If that is the problem, it looks like this is something Legacy Charting should 
correct in an update - very soon.

Jeff
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harold Watson 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes


  part of your problem may be that legacy generates pdf in verion adobe 1.5 
format.  if you can convert the file to version 1.7 format it will shrink 
dramatically.  dont have any recommendations for converting beyond adobe 
acrobat 7 or higher.


  On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:23 PM, jeffma...@orthohelp.com 
 wrote:

I realize that Ron.  But the 6 generation pdf files produced by Legacy 
Pedigree Reports are an order of magnitude smaller than the 6 generation 
ancestors pdf files produced by Legacy Charting.

Jeff

- Original Message - From: "ronald ferguson" 
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes 




Jeff,

The size of any chart file obviously depends on how many generations and 
hence how many people are in it. If you reduce the size it will more than 
likely become unreadable.

You can always use Pando or similar to email it.



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  From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes
  Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:47:14 -0400

  Legacy Charting creates some beautiful charts. However the size of the pdf
  files it creates are huge. To large to send out as email attachments.

  Is there a way to reduce the size of these huge pdf files?

  Jeff

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes - Work around

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For others who might need it, here is a work around for the large files 
produced by Legacy Charting.


Publish from Legacy Charting as a tiff file (instead of a pdf file). Open 
that tiff file in your preferred graphic program (I use Paint Shop Pro) and 
print it from there as a pdf using any of many free pdf creators that 
pretend to be "printers". Resulting pdf file was one tenth the original pdf 
file and printed nicely on regular paper.


Jeff
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To: 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes



Maybe Jeff, but Legacy Charting is mainly designed (as I understand it) for 
producing wall charts, rather than for reports or web pages.




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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:23:19 -0400

I realize that Ron. But the 6 generation pdf files produced by Legacy
Pedigree Reports are an order of magnitude smaller than the 6 generation
ancestors pdf files produced by Legacy Charting.

Jeff

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To:
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes



Jeff,

The size of any chart file obviously depends on how many generations and
hence how many people are in it. If you reduce the size it will more than
likely become unreadable.

You can always use Pando or similar to email it.



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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:47:14 -0400

Legacy Charting creates some beautiful charts. However the size of the 
pdf

files it creates are huge. To large to send out as email attachments.

Is there a way to reduce the size of these huge pdf files?

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes

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I realize that Ron.  But the 6 generation pdf files produced by Legacy 
Pedigree Reports are an order of magnitude smaller than the 6 generation 
ancestors pdf files produced by Legacy Charting.


Jeff

- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes



Jeff,

The size of any chart file obviously depends on how many generations and 
hence how many people are in it. If you reduce the size it will more than 
likely become unreadable.


You can always use Pando or similar to email it.



Ron Ferguson

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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:47:14 -0400

Legacy Charting creates some beautiful charts. However the size of the pdf
files it creates are huge. To large to send out as email attachments.

Is there a way to reduce the size of these huge pdf files?

Jeff

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[LegacyUG] Legacy Charting pdf file sizes

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Legacy Charting creates some beautiful charts.  However the size of the pdf 
files it creates are huge.  To large to send out as email attachments.


Is there a way to reduce the size of these huge pdf files?

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[LegacyUG] Pictures that do not appear on Pedigree chart

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I am creating a pedigree chart where I indicated in the options to include 
photos.  The photos do appear but one of them does not even though it 
appears in Legacy's family screen.


It is a second generation person whose photo does not appear so it is not a 
matter of size.  The image is a jpg.


Any ideas?

Jeff 





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[LegacyUG] Pedigree chart photos

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When printing a Pedigree charts with photos, the printed photos get smaller
as one goes further from the main person. Of course, this is to be expected
as the ancestral lines get crowded closer together. But, by the 5th
generation they get so small that they are not really useful.

Question: Is there a way to control the size of these upper generation
photos to make them a little bigger so they become useful?

Thanks.

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Private Flaming (pdf to Word?)

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Thank you very much.  I'll give it a try.

Jeff
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  From: RoadRoy 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Private Flaming (pdf to Word?)


  Jeff,

  Dick Eastman reported a free PDF to Word program in his Genealogy Newsletter 
this week.

  Try http://www.hellopdf.com/

  I tried it and it appears to work fine. My only concern is the size of the 
resulting Word document - it was nearly ten times the size of the original PDF 
file. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Private Flaming (pdf to Word?)

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How do you convert PDF to Word (without purchasing adobe)?  Did you mean rtf to 
Word?

Jeff
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  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Private Flaming


  Connie,


  One of my complaints of both programs is the child-like repetitiveness of 
database facts when using pre-formed sentences to create narratives.  The 
Descendant reports have most of the information I want but, as written, are 
deadly boring to other non-genealogist family members.  To rectify this I save 
the report as a PDF file, convert it to Word format and go to work on it to try 
to flesh out my ancestors' lives a bit.  Most of the content is there - it just 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Viewing Legacy tables

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Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:44:28 -0400, "jeffma...@orthohelp.com"
 wrote:


I can
already do that through MS Access, but I am not sure Access is
showing me "all" the underlying tables Legacy uses.


What tables do you suspect Access doesn't show you? There may be some
proprietary tables that Millennia protects with an id/password, but
these would not be your family files (*.fdb).


Does Ltools show any more tables or their linkages than what opening the 
Legacy files in Access would show?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Viewing Legacy tables

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The price is no problem. I just have not looked into this aspect of using 
Legacy and wondering what other similar tools might exist.


Jeff
- Original Message - 
From: PHILLIP O HUSBAND

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Viewing Legacy tables


It seems to me that Dennis has developed LTools because he found something 
lacking that he felt would be helpful to himself as well as others.  At a 
price of $10 why would you look around for something else?

just my 2c worth.
Phil





From: "jeffma...@orthohelp.com" 
To: LegacyUserGroup 
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:44:28 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Viewing Legacy tables

A recent response from Ronald Ferguson made me look at LTools 
http://zippersoftware.com/
and I saw that the Deluxe version lets you view the Legacy tables.  I can 
already do that through MS Access, but I am not sure Access is showing me 
"all" the underlying tables Legacy uses.


Although LTools Deluxe is not expensive (only $10), I wonder if there are 
other tools around that reveal all the tables Legacy uses and how they 
relate to each other.


Jeff



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[LegacyUG] Viewing Legacy tables

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A recent response from Ronald Ferguson made me look at LTools 
http://zippersoftware.com/
and I saw that the Deluxe version lets you view the Legacy tables.  I can 
already do that through MS Access, but I am not sure Access is showing me 
"all" the underlying tables Legacy uses.


Although LTools Deluxe is not expensive (only $10), I wonder if there are 
other tools around that reveal all the tables Legacy uses and how they 
relate to each other.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Can't Preview Reports with Latest Update?

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I have the update and just tested it.  No freezing.

Jeff

Connie Sheets wrote:

I just discovered that every time I click on Preview a report (at
least with the Pedigree or Family Group Record reports), my system
"freezes" or "hangs."  I'm not getting an error message.  This is a
new behavior with the 7.0.0.90 update.   


Can anyone duplicate this?

Thanks!!!

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Re: [LegacyUG] conversion between old sources and sourcewriter

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Thank you.

Jeff

ronald ferguson wrote:

Jeff,

The answer to the first question is "No" and to the second "we don't
know" :-) 




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From: jeffma...@orthohelp.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] conversion between old sources and sourcewriter
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:52:31 -0400

I've been traveling for some time and therefore have not followed
Legacy events closely. I just rejoined the list.

Has the promised tool to convert old source entries to sourcewriter
now become available and how well does it work?

Jeff

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[LegacyUG] conversion between old sources and sourcewriter

[jeffma...@orthohelp.com]

I've been traveling for some time and therefore have not followed Legacy 
events closely.  I just rejoined the list.


Has the promised tool to convert old source entries to sourcewriter now 
become available and how well does it work?


Jeff 





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