Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
I agree with Ron entirely - I've never seen it otherwise in England. However, it would be useful if a possibility existed to present a sentence as Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name, also Adopted Name - I was adopted by my stepfather and real mother so that we all had the same surname. I don't use my Adopted Name in Family History as it isn't my genetic name, but as I was married under that name, it does appear on my marriage certificate. I wonder if this form could be easily incorporated into a Legacy report, or should I make an adjustment each time? I don't tend to do reports on living persons but the problem will occur in the future, no doubt. Elizabeth Dawn Crowley wrote: A! One of the awesome benefits of this group is world-wide experiences. (in English, at least) Thanks for enlightening us. Dawn ronald ferguson wrote: Bill, That may well be true in America but I have never seen it expressed in that way in England. The general form is Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:47:44 -0500 If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 20-Jan-08 11:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
I'm glad someone pointed out the difference in methods of showing the maiden name between the US and the UK. I am now especially aware of this difference. This is great. Elizabeth, In your case, there may be a way to get partway there today by doing two things. First, insert your adopted name in the Suffix field with whatever you feel is an appropriate phrase, such as (adopted as Smith), entering the name in Suffix in whatever font you normally include in reports, all upper case SMITH or initial caps Smith. (I prefer initial caps.) I used parentheses, but you could use adopted as Smith. If you insert a comma before adopted there will be a space between the surname and the comma in numerous places, which may look disconcerting. This will output the name as Jane Doe (adopted as Smith) or Jane Doe adopted as Smith Second, in either the Descendant or Ancestor Book report, choose the report and click the Wording 1 tab. In the Children sentences, you can enter the name (using (...) or ... format) as: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] [HusbSurname] (née [WifeSurname]) [WifeSuffix] were: Children of Joe and Jane Bloe (née Doe) (adopted as Smith) were: If you used a comma, you could continue that as in: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] [HusbSurname] (née [WifeSurname], [WifeSuffix]) were: Children of Joe and Jane Bloe (née Doe, adopted as Smith) were: Try several variations and see what you think. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hope Bagot Bees Sent: 22-Jan-08 5:50 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] I agree with Ron entirely - I've never seen it otherwise in England. However, it would be useful if a possibility existed to present a sentence as Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name, also Adopted Name - I was adopted by my stepfather and real mother so that we all had the same surname. I don't use my Adopted Name in Family History as it isn't my genetic name, but as I was married under that name, it does appear on my marriage certificate. I wonder if this form could be easily incorporated into a Legacy report, or should I make an adjustment each time? I don't tend to do reports on living persons but the problem will occur in the future, no doubt. Elizabeth Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 20-Jan-08 11:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Bill, That may well be true in America but I have never seen it expressed in that way in England. The general form is Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:47:44 -0500 If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 20-Jan-08 11:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Bill, I was talking about actual usage in printed formats other than specialized journals such as in newspaper and magazine articles, obits, etc. from years ago before there were even computers rather than the way we enter it in genealogy programs. - Original Message From: Bill Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:47:44 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Bill, That may well be true in America but I have never seen it expressed in that way in England. The general form is Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:47:44 -0500 If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 20-Jan-08 11:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
That all being said--- I don't want to stray too far from the context of the original email plea Why doesn't the function work? Perhaps the Legacy staff can shed some light. Thanks again Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Bienia Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Gary - I didn't follow the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this was asked. Was the event created in Marriage Events or Individual Events? I would think it cannot work in Individual Events because the program would not know which marriage to take the surname from. At least a Marriage Event would show which spouse. Susan On 1/21/08, Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That all being said--- I don't want to stray too far from the context of the original email plea Why doesn't the function work? Perhaps the Legacy staff can shed some light. Thanks again Gary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Susan Thank you for your comments. Your supposition may be accurate. Your comments reminded me of festering issue. I am an advocate of placing the residence of a married couple as an Event under Marriage Information. Regrettably no Marriage Information Events appear on Individual Reports. I don't understand the logic of this. It makes sense to record one address of a couple in one location (as an Event under Marriage Information) than the same address in two separate locations (as an Event under each individual). When running Individual Reports, it would still be appropriate to have the joint marriage events appear on the Individual Reports for both individuals. Not doing so gives a very inaccurate chronological report of significant life events on the Individual Reports. Soin response to your question, no, the event was not created in Marriage Events. I do very little placing of events there because of Legacy's limitation of not having the information appear on Individual Reports. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary - I didn't follow the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this was asked. Was the event created in Marriage Events or Individual Events? I would think it cannot work in Individual Events because the program would not know which marriage to take the surname from. At least a Marriage Event would show which spouse. Susan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Well, I just created a residence event in a marriage and used that code, but it still showed the wife's maiden name. Good idea, though, huh??! Guess it has yet to be implemented. I am still using ver. 6.0.0.155. Susan On 1/21/08, Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan Thank you for your comments. Your supposition may be accurate. Your comments reminded me of festering issue. I am an advocate of placing the residence of a married couple as an Event under Marriage Information. Regrettably no Marriage Information Events appear on Individual Reports. I don't understand the logic of this. It makes sense to record one address of a couple in one location (as an Event under Marriage Information) than the same address in two separate locations (as an Event under each individual). When running Individual Reports, it would still be appropriate to have the joint marriage events appear on the Individual Reports for both individuals. Not doing so gives a very inaccurate chronological report of significant life events on the Individual Reports. Soin response to your question, no, the event was not created in Marriage Events. I do very little placing of events there because of Legacy's limitation of not having the information appear on Individual Reports. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary - I didn't follow the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this was asked. Was the event created in Marriage Events or Individual Events? I would think it cannot work in Individual Events because the program would not know which marriage to take the surname from. At least a Marriage Event would show which spouse. Susan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Hi Gary, The Help file clearly states that these codes ONLY work in the Marriage Events. There is an enhancement request in, I believe, to add Marriage events to Individual reports. How it then remains an Individual report is a mystery to me but then I don't use them so can't really comment. :-) That said, these codes don't yet work as there is no place yet to give the Married Surnames of Husband and Wife. Legacy can only guess at Women's married surnames as it does in the Calendar Creator - so it is often wrong in these days where in cultures where the woman used to take the husband's surname on marriage, this now often doesn't happen - let alone other cultures where women have never taken the husband's surname. Note the provision is being made for Husband's who change their surname on marriage as well. Cathy At 10:47 AM 22/01/2008, you wrote: Susan Thank you for your comments. Your supposition may be accurate. Your comments reminded me of festering issue. I am an advocate of placing the residence of a married couple as an Event under Marriage Information. Regrettably no Marriage Information Events appear on Individual Reports. I don't understand the logic of this. It makes sense to record one address of a couple in one location (as an Event under Marriage Information) than the same address in two separate locations (as an Event under each individual). When running Individual Reports, it would still be appropriate to have the joint marriage events appear on the Individual Reports for both individuals. Not doing so gives a very inaccurate chronological report of significant life events on the Individual Reports. Soin response to your question, no, the event was not created in Marriage Events. I do very little placing of events there because of Legacy's limitation of not having the information appear on Individual Reports. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary - I didn't follow the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this was asked. Was the event created in Marriage Events or Individual Events? I would think it cannot work in Individual Events because the program would not know which marriage to take the surname from. At least a Marriage Event would show which spouse. Susan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Cathy, If this is the case - There is an enhancement request in, I believe, to add Marriage events to Individual reports. How it then remains an Individual report is a mystery to me but then I don't use them so can't really comment. :-) Then why do marriage dates and places and spouses appear on an Individual Report at all? They are on the Marriage Information screen along with Marriage Events. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hi Gary, The Help file clearly states that these codes ONLY work in the Marriage Events. There is an enhancement request in, I believe, to add Marriage events to Individual reports. How it then remains an Individual report is a mystery to me but then I don't use them so can't really comment. :-) That said, these codes don't yet work as there is no place yet to give the Married Surnames of Husband and Wife. Legacy can only guess at Women's married surnames as it does in the Calendar Creator - so it is often wrong in these days where in cultures where the woman used to take the husband's surname on marriage, this now often doesn't happen - let alone other cultures where women have never taken the husband's surname. Note the provision is being made for Husband's who change their surname on marriage as well. Cathy At 10:47 AM 22/01/2008, you wrote: Susan Thank you for your comments. Your supposition may be accurate. Your comments reminded me of festering issue. I am an advocate of placing the residence of a married couple as an Event under Marriage Information. Regrettably no Marriage Information Events appear on Individual Reports. I don't understand the logic of this. It makes sense to record one address of a couple in one location (as an Event under Marriage Information) than the same address in two separate locations (as an Event under each individual). When running Individual Reports, it would still be appropriate to have the joint marriage events appear on the Individual Reports for both individuals. Not doing so gives a very inaccurate chronological report of significant life events on the Individual Reports. Soin response to your question, no, the event was not created in Marriage Events. I do very little placing of events there because of Legacy's limitation of not having the information appear on Individual Reports. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Daily Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary - I didn't follow the whole thread, so I'm sorry if this was asked. Was the event created in Marriage Events or Individual Events? I would think it cannot work in Individual Events because the program would not know which marriage to take the surname from. At least a Marriage Event would show which spouse. Susan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
A! One of the awesome benefits of this group is world-wide experiences. (in English, at least) Thanks for enlightening us. Dawn ronald ferguson wrote: Bill, That may well be true in America but I have never seen it expressed in that way in England. The general form is Title; First Name; Surname; nee Maiden Name. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:47:44 -0500 If you follow the standard formats used by NEHGS or NGSQ, the maiden name should appear between the given names and the married surname, enclosed in parentheses, although the word née may or may not be required. I have seen it the way you indicate because people entered the married surname as the woman's surname, then entered the maiden name, i.e. (née SIMONSON) into the suffix field. Most genealogy programs don't have separate fields for maiden name and married name, and are set up to have the maiden surname entered into the surname field. Legacy, while it only has a single name, does allow us to set up the child sentence for reports to include the maiden name and the married name. (You can also do this for other sentences, but it is less effective and more difficult to predict results than in the child sentence template.) If a woman had been married several times, the arrangement would be Irene (née SIMONSON) (DOE) (SMITH) ANDREWS Where Doe would have been her first married surname, Smith her second, and Andrews is her last married surname. However, Legacy doesn't have a way to handle this. The best we can do is create a child sentence with her maiden name and her husband's surname. While I wrote the above section on multiple married names, I'm not sure how Legacy would handle that circumstance with the [WifeMarriedSurname] variable. I would expect it would be the married surname in context of the sentence. Bill William H. Bill Bienia, PLCGS Cobblestone Legacies Genealogy and Family History Services PO Box 321, Hillsburgh, ON N0B 1Z0 www.cobblestonelegacies.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wynthner Sent: 20-Jan-08 11:40 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Hi Mary, Exactly. :-) If I were wanting all the Marriage information I'd be looking at a Family Group Sheet. I hardly ever use them either ;-) . I only use them for sharing one family or showing what information I have on one family so a family member can correct or add. However, other people have different requirements and why shouldn't they? For myself I mostly use Ancestor and Descendant Reports and Charts. Cathy At 11:55 AM 22/01/2008, you wrote: Cathy, If this is the case - There is an enhancement request in, I believe, to add Marriage events to Individual reports. How it then remains an Individual report is a mystery to me but then I don't use them so can't really comment. :-) Then why do marriage dates and places and spouses appear on an Individual Report at all? They are on the Marriage Information screen along with Marriage Events. Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: I ended up using: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [HusbSurname] were: This worked and gave me the results I wanted. When I looked at the list of variable code in Help for reports, the WifeMarriedSurname and HusbMarriedSurname codes were not included in the list. When I tried them in my sentence (just now), as follows: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [WifeMarriedSurname] were: the [WifeMarriedSurname] was not substituted (it appeared as [WifeMarriedSurname] in the report while all the other thigs appeared correctly) so I will leave it as I first set it up. It seems this variable doesn't work in all sentences or doesn't work consistently. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara Sent: 20-Jan-08 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] A quick scan of the archives did not reveal an answer to this issue--- I don't understand the difference between [WifeSurname] and [WifeMarriedSurname] when creating an Event Definition. It appears both result in the same outcome. Irene SIMONSON married Seth ANDERSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeSurname] to be SIMONSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeMarriedSurname] to be ANDERSON. This does not occur when creating an Event Definition. If [FirstName] [WifeSurname] [WifeMarriedSurname] is defined, the result is Irene SIMONSON SIMONSON. Why would it not be Irene SIMONSON ANDERSON? Has anyone else experienced this problem? Gary O'Fallon IL USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Bill Bienia wrote: Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: I ended up using: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [HusbSurname] were: This worked and gave me the results I wanted. When I looked at the list of variable code in Help for reports, the WifeMarriedSurname and HusbMarriedSurname codes were not included in the list. When I tried them in my sentence (just now), as follows: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [WifeMarriedSurname] were: the [WifeMarriedSurname] was not substituted (it appeared as [WifeMarriedSurname] in the report while all the other thigs appeared correctly) so I will leave it as I first set it up. It seems this variable doesn't work in all sentences or doesn't work consistently. Bill Hi , I think you will find the Wife married name and Husband married name were added in one of the latest updates. I suggest getting ready for version seven, in which I believe you will be able to enter married names in the data base -- Regards Laurence E Stephenson I am Researching:- ButcherStroud, Gloucestershire, England Fortune...Berwickshire, Scotland GarlickLiverpool, Lancashire, England Mee..Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland (Palatine) Payne...Washingborough, Lincolnshire, England RitchieBonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Stephenson.Pickering, Yorkshire, England Wittick...(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, England http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/lauries/web/index.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Hi Gary, I've never noticed the code [WifeMarriedSurname] or [HusbMarriedSurname] before. Probably shows how long it is since I've edited an Event Sentence Definitions or at least had to look up a code to do it. I suspect it is something in the pipeline and not fully implemented yet as there is nothing that enables us to give a Husband's Married Surname and Legacy can only guess at a Wife's Married Surname as it does in the Calendar Creator, not always successfully. Cathy At 05:00 AM 21/01/2008, you wrote: A quick scan of the archives did not reveal an answer to this issue--- I don't understand the difference between [WifeSurname] and [WifeMarriedSurname] when creating an Event Definition. It appears both result in the same outcome. Irene SIMONSON married Seth ANDERSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeSurname] to be SIMONSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeMarriedSurname] to be ANDERSON. This does not occur when creating an Event Definition. If [FirstName] [WifeSurname] [WifeMarriedSurname] is defined, the result is Irene SIMONSON SIMONSON. Why would it not be Irene SIMONSON ANDERSON? Has anyone else experienced this problem? Gary O'Fallon IL USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname]
Hmmm.. I've never seen née Maiden Name use between the woman's given name and married surname. Shouldn't it be Children of Seth and Irene ANDREWS (née SIMONSON) ? - Original Message From: Bill Bienia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:45:06 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] Gary, I was just setting something like this up this afternoon, where I wanted the sentence to read (using your name examples): Children of Seth and Irene (née SIMONSON) ANDREWS were: I ended up using: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [HusbSurname] were: This worked and gave me the results I wanted. When I looked at the list of variable code in Help for reports, the WifeMarriedSurname and HusbMarriedSurname codes were not included in the list. When I tried them in my sentence (just now), as follows: Children of [HusbFirstName] and [WifeFirstName] (née [WifeSurname]) [WifeMarriedSurname] were: the [WifeMarriedSurname] was not substituted (it appeared as [WifeMarriedSurname] in the report while all the other thigs appeared correctly) so I will leave it as I first set it up. It seems this variable doesn't work in all sentences or doesn't work consistently. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara Sent: 20-Jan-08 3:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Event--[WifeSurname] versus [WifeMarriedSurname] A quick scan of the archives did not reveal an answer to this issue--- I don't understand the difference between [WifeSurname] and [WifeMarriedSurname] when creating an Event Definition. It appears both result in the same outcome. Irene SIMONSON married Seth ANDERSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeSurname] to be SIMONSON. I would expect Irene's [WifeMarriedSurname] to be ANDERSON. This does not occur when creating an Event Definition. If [FirstName] [WifeSurname] [WifeMarriedSurname] is defined, the result is Irene SIMONSON SIMONSON. Why would it not be Irene SIMONSON ANDERSON? Has anyone else experienced this problem? Gary O'Fallon IL USA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www..LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
