Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com & Error 91
The trick is to evaluate all sources on these three bases: 1. Original or derivative source? (Digital or microfilm image can be treated as original. 2. Primary or secondary information. Was the record created close to the time of the event? Was the informant involved in the event personally? 3. Direct or indirect evidence. Does it say that John Does was born on this specific date? Or does it say that his sister was born in X year, and her brother, John Doe, was born three years later? A primary source might be of less value than a secondary source, depending on the circumstances. It is up to you to evaluate them on the continuum of all three standards. Janis On 3/12/09 10:58 AM, "Ann Parsons" wrote: > Carolyn, > > I can think of a primary source that has erroneous data. When an ancestor of > mine applied for a Social Security Account Number in 1937 he stated he was > born Burley ID. I have an affidavit that he was born Malheur County, OR. I > have a census where he is born in Italy. I figure if someone checks my > sources they can decide for their selves what to believe. I go with Italy > until I learn something new. I use alt birth for the other two. > > Another subject. I am still getting Error 91. I try backing up, get Error > 91. I go back in and flog the check/repair until I run out of patience and > exit the program. When I go back in most of the time I can do a backup. I > just tried doing check/repair 2 times, exit, go back in and I could back up. > When Error 91 first started at 116 it slowed down. Each time I do > check/repair 116 got slower until it stopped at 116. Now it stops a long > time at 116. I have been documenting what I have entered in Legacy and the > steps I go thru to get it to back up. Have a nice little pile of this. I > hope you are no longer getting Error 91. > > Ann > New Mexico, USA > > - Original Message - > From: "CE WOOD" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on > Ancestry.com > > > Unless the family tree has RELIABLE sources, it is just clues. Isn't the > Garden of Eden a in YOUR database? Ha-ha. Primary sources are > birth/death/marriage certificates and such. Compilations, histories, and > such are secondary sources - reliable if they have used primary sources. > There are too, too many now infamous genealogies that have been discovered > to not only to have confused and comingled families, but also to have > fabricated info. This is not recent; it was often a matter of survival in > medieaval England to prove connection to a powerful family. Historians and > scholarly genealogists are still finding errors in many English county > Visitations which depend on the accuracy of the individuals questioned. > Property also descended by birth, and there are countless documented cases > where it is known that people...LIED...in order to get the property, land > being the only source of wealth back then. > > So, if the family tree is well sourced with RELIABLE sources, it would be a > tertiary source. > > But, in the final analysis, this is YOUR genealogy, and you can call > whatever you want a source. > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Diane Murach<mailto:dmur...@starstream.net> > To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c > om> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on > Ancestry.com > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: Duane Baker<mailto:dbake...@yahoo.com> > To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c > om> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on > Ancestry.com > > > Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper > clippings, etc. are just "clues" and not sources? > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach > mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>> wrote: > > From: Diane Murach > mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on > Ancestry.com > To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c > om> > Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM > > > I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source. > > Diane > > > - Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury" > > To: > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [L
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Duane Baker wrote Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings, etc. are just "clues" and not sources? Everything that tells you something is a Source for that something which it tells you. So a Family Tree is a Source, a newspaper clipping is a Source, a letter is a Source ... BUT there are reliable Sources and unreliable Sources and there are grades of reliability - hence the Surety Level which Legacy provides. I see no reason why a Family Tree or website should not be used as a Source if it's the only Source I've got at the moment, but I would give it a Surety Level of 0 or 1 probably. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com & Error 91
Carolyn,
I can think of a primary source that has erroneous data. When an ancestor of
mine applied for a Social Security Account Number in 1937 he stated he was
born Burley ID. I have an affidavit that he was born Malheur County, OR. I
have a census where he is born in Italy. I figure if someone checks my
sources they can decide for their selves what to believe. I go with Italy
until I learn something new. I use alt birth for the other two.
Another subject. I am still getting Error 91. I try backing up, get Error
91. I go back in and flog the check/repair until I run out of patience and
exit the program. When I go back in most of the time I can do a backup. I
just tried doing check/repair 2 times, exit, go back in and I could back up.
When Error 91 first started at 116 it slowed down. Each time I do
check/repair 116 got slower until it stopped at 116. Now it stops a long
time at 116. I have been documenting what I have entered in Legacy and the
steps I go thru to get it to back up. Have a nice little pile of this. I
hope you are no longer getting Error 91.
Ann
New Mexico, USA
- Original Message -
From: "CE WOOD"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
Unless the family tree has RELIABLE sources, it is just clues. Isn't the
Garden of Eden a in YOUR database? Ha-ha. Primary sources are
birth/death/marriage certificates and such. Compilations, histories, and
such are secondary sources - reliable if they have used primary sources.
There are too, too many now infamous genealogies that have been discovered
to not only to have confused and comingled families, but also to have
fabricated info. This is not recent; it was often a matter of survival in
medieaval England to prove connection to a powerful family. Historians and
scholarly genealogists are still finding errors in many English county
Visitations which depend on the accuracy of the individuals questioned.
Property also descended by birth, and there are countless documented cases
where it is known that people...LIED...in order to get the property, land
being the only source of wealth back then.
So, if the family tree is well sourced with RELIABLE sources, it would be a
tertiary source.
But, in the final analysis, this is YOUR genealogy, and you can call
whatever you want a source.
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: Diane Murach<mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
- Original Message -
From: Duane Baker<mailto:dbake...@yahoo.com>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper
clippings, etc. are just "clues" and not sources?
--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach
mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>> wrote:
From: Diane Murach
mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM
I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source.
Diane
- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Hanebury"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with
the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it.
Eliz
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote:
> I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their
website. It isn't
> really a family tree but a short list of related people.
>
>
> I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting
> Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such
as
> WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source.
>
> But what about something less straight forward, like the "family
tree" I
> found on Ancestry?
>
> How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it
> is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith
Family
> Tree".
>
>
> In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and
family group
> sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online
Images"
> and "Privately Held". Since the list is n
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Unless the family tree has RELIABLE sources, it is just clues. Isn't the
Garden of Eden a in YOUR database? Ha-ha. Primary sources are
birth/death/marriage certificates and such. Compilations, histories, and such
are secondary sources - reliable if they have used primary sources. There are
too, too many now infamous genealogies that have been discovered to not only to
have confused and comingled families, but also to have fabricated info. This
is not recent; it was often a matter of survival in medieaval England to prove
connection to a powerful family. Historians and scholarly genealogists are
still finding errors in many English county Visitations which depend on the
accuracy of the individuals questioned. Property also descended by birth, and
there are countless documented cases where it is known that people...LIED...in
order to get the property, land being the only source of wealth back then.
So, if the family tree is well sourced with RELIABLE sources, it would be a
tertiary source.
But, in the final analysis, this is YOUR genealogy, and you can call whatever
you want a source.
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: Diane Murach<mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
- Original Message -
From: Duane Baker<mailto:dbake...@yahoo.com>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings,
etc. are just "clues" and not sources?
--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach
mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>> wrote:
From: Diane Murach
mailto:dmur...@starstream.net>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM
I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source.
Diane
- Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with
the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it.
Eliz
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote:
> I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their
website. It isn't
> really a family tree but a short list of related people.
>
>
> I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting
> Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such
as
> WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source.
>
> But what about something less straight forward, like the "family
tree" I
> found on Ancestry?
>
> How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it
> is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith
Family
> Tree".
>
>
> In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and
family group
> sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online
Images"
> and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be
considered
> an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not
> privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that
> Ancestry calls a "family tree"?
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Vicki
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I would source a family letter and newspaper clippings. I'd try to get a copy
of the actual letter or newspaper clipping if I wasn't seeing a digitized
version. To me, this is separate situation from donated family trees and
published family histories.
Actually based on the number of errors I've been able to prove wrong from
letters, family Bible entries and obituaries, I tend to look at them as clues
also. Sometimes it may be the "only" piece of information you have and you
have to decide, if it seems probable or not and try to back it up with
additional census records, gravestone and more.
Diane
- Original Message -
From: Duane Baker
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings,
etc. are just "clues" and not sources?
--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach wrote:
From: Diane Murach
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM
I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source.
Diane
- Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on
Ancestry.com
I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with
the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it.
Eliz
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote:
> I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their
website. It isn't
> really a family tree but a short list of related people.
>
>
> I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting
> Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such
as
> WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source.
>
> But what about something less straight forward, like the "family
tree" I
> found on Ancestry?
>
> How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it
> is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith
Family
> Tree".
>
>
> In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and
family group
> sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online
Images"
> and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be
considered
> an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not
> privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that
> Ancestry calls a "family tree"?
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Vicki
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
- Original Message - From: Duane Baker To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings, etc. are just "clues" and not sources? --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach wrote: From: Diane Murach Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source. Diane - Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it. Eliz On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote: > I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't > really a family tree but a short list of related people. > > > I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting > Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as > WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. > > But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I > found on Ancestry? > > How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it > is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family > Tree". > > > In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group > sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" > and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered > an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not > privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that > Ancestry calls a "family tree"? > > Any ideas? > > > Vicki > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings, etc. are just "clues" and not sources? --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach wrote: From: Diane Murach Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source. Diane - Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it. Eliz On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote: > I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't > really a family tree but a short list of related people. > > > I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting > Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as > WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. > > But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I > found on Ancestry? > > How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it > is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family > Tree". > > > In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group > sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" > and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered > an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not > privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that > Ancestry calls a "family tree"? > > Any ideas? > > > Vicki > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source. Diane - Original Message - From: "Eliz Hanebury" To: Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it. Eliz On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote: I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't really a family tree but a short list of related people. I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I found on Ancestry? How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family Tree". In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that Ancestry calls a "family tree"? Any ideas? Vicki Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1991 - Release Date: 03/09/09 07:14:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it. Eliz On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen wrote: > I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't > really a family tree but a short list of related people. > > > I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting > Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as > WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. > > But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I > found on Ancestry? > > How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it > is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family > Tree". > > > In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group > sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" > and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered > an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not > privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that > Ancestry calls a "family tree"? > > Any ideas? > > > Vicki > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Since far too many Ancestry trees are complete works of fiction, I too would be very hesitant to enter the data into Legacy, however, if for some reason I did do so, I would use the Internet > Database template. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
v pedersen wrote I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't really a family tree but a short list of related people. It sounds as though you have found a Private Member's Tree rather than a Public one. For Public Members Trees you should be able to see a tree and in both cases there should be a link to contact the Member, unless it's a Private tree and they don't wish to be contacted. In that case, I would hesitate to use the information as a Source in my tree! For Family Tree information from Ancestry I use the Website>Database template giving "X Family Tree" as the Database Title, "Ancestry" as the Website Title. In the Comments field I write something like "grateful thanks to Joe Bloggs for granting me permission to cite this source" and if appropriate, some information to show how Joe Bloggs is connected to a person on my tree. I use the same template in much the same way for tree information from people's own websites, except that I use their details and those of their site in place of the details for Ancestry. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I would also use a Surety of "0" until I could prove the information myself from other sources. Marty McMahon -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Dede Holden Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:28 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com Vicki, I have used these Family Trees from Ancestry. I use the Family Group Sheet template in Source Writer. If the author's name is given, I will use it. If not, I use the Ancestry user name that is posted with the Family Tree. I choose to use "online images" since that is where they are, even though they're not scanned images, such as census pages. I also put in a comment explaining why I've used this family tree, even if there are no sources. The last one I used included some of the same family pictures that I have in my collection, so even though I don't know the author, I'm reasonably certain that our families are related! Hope this helps, Dede Holden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
On 3/9/09, v pedersen wrote: > > I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't > really a family tree but a short list of related people. > > How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it > is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family > Tree". IMHO, with no author or contact information, this "Family Tree" is worthless unless you have external reasons to give it credence. If you want to pursue it, I suggest making a separate file for these Ancestry Trees. Do your own research, verify the information, and source it appropriately when you move it into your own Family File. -- Mary Young
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Vicki, I have used these Family Trees from Ancestry. I use the Family Group Sheet template in Source Writer. If the author's name is given, I will use it. If not, I use the Ancestry user name that is posted with the Family Tree. I choose to use "online images" since that is where they are, even though they're not scanned images, such as census pages. I also put in a comment explaining why I've used this family tree, even if there are no sources. The last one I used included some of the same family pictures that I have in my collection, so even though I don't know the author, I'm reasonably certain that our families are related! Hope this helps, Dede Holden On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:16 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: > > Since I use Ancestry.com as the repository of the record creator, and in the > Source fields use both names, I would list it as an authorless document, the > same way I treat Newspaper clippings with no date or paper name. But of the > about 20 I had at one time, I mhave located 18 of them. > Rich in LA CA > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, v pedersen wrote: > >> From: v pedersen >> Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com >> To: "Legacy Email List" >> Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:14 PM >> I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on >> their website. It isn't really a family tree but a >> short list of related people. >> >> >> I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest >> putting Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections >> found on Ancestry (such as WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as >> the source. >> >> But what about something less straight forward, like the >> "family tree" I found on Ancestry? >> >> How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact >> information, it is simply a short list of related people >> under the title "Smith Family Tree". >> >> >> In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's >> family tree and family group sheet options do not offer me a >> choice of medium other than "Online Images" and >> "Privately Held". Since the list is not really >> what would be considered an online image (such as a census >> page image would be) and the list is not privately held, how >> would I source this list of related persons that Ancestry >> calls a "family tree"? >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> Vicki Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
Since I use Ancestry.com as the repository of the record creator, and in the Source fields use both names, I would list it as an authorless document, the same way I treat Newspaper clippings with no date or paper name. But of the about 20 I had at one time, I mhave located 18 of them. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 3/8/09, v pedersen wrote: > From: v pedersen > Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com > To: "Legacy Email List" > Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:14 PM > I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on > their website. It isn't really a family tree but a > short list of related people. > > > I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest > putting Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections > found on Ancestry (such as WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as > the source. > > But what about something less straight forward, like the > "family tree" I found on Ancestry? > > How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact > information, it is simply a short list of related people > under the title "Smith Family Tree". > > > In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's > family tree and family group sheet options do not offer me a > choice of medium other than "Online Images" and > "Privately Held". Since the list is not really > what would be considered an online image (such as a census > page image would be) and the list is not privately held, how > would I source this list of related persons that Ancestry > calls a "family tree"? > > Any ideas? > > > Vicki > > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I don't use the Source Writer myself. It's just another thing to get in sync with. Right now, it's easier not to. If there's any kind of notation at all on the tree that you found, I'd put that in. I have some similar 'unknowns' and I put them under a general category. For instance, Ancestry World Tree Project: unknown. If there's no information given, what can you say? - JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog v pedersen wrote: I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't really a family tree but a short list of related people. I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I found on Ancestry? How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family Tree". In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that Ancestry calls a "family tree"? Any ideas? Vicki Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] How do I source a "Family Tree" found on Ancestry.com
I found what Ancestry.com calls a "Family Tree" on their website. It isn't really a family tree but a short list of related people. I looked in the archives and see that many people suggest putting Ancestry.com as a repository and the collections found on Ancestry (such as WWI Draft Registrations, etc) as the source. But what about something less straight forward, like the "family tree" I found on Ancestry? How would I source this? No author is listed, nor contact information, it is simply a short list of related people under the title "Smith Family Tree". In the "Add a New Source", Source Writer's family tree and family group sheet options do not offer me a choice of medium other than "Online Images" and "Privately Held". Since the list is not really what would be considered an online image (such as a census page image would be) and the list is not privately held, how would I source this list of related persons that Ancestry calls a "family tree"? Any ideas? Vicki Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
