Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-22 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:21:12 -0700, Richard Van Wasshnova
 wrote:

>The IDIME heading in TblSX was always very confusing to me (What does
>it have todo with a 10 cent coin?). Dennis' calling it ID of
>Individual, marriage, event was very enlightening enough to make it
>worth reading the whole thread.

I posted this to my website today to help explain how to use the IDIME
and Type columns of tblSX. I figured these out by sourcing everything I
could think of, then looking at tblSX. I can't guarantee its accuracy,
but I think it is close enough for government work.

http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tblSX_Type.htm
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-22 Thread Richard Van Wasshnova
Bob, I don't think anyone posting to this thread was upset. I thought
Dennis was expecting someone might complain that the subject is not
strictly about Legacy since you can't see the tables directly in
Legacy.

The IDIME heading in TblSX was always very confusing to me (What does
it have todo with a 10 cent coin?). Dennis' calling it ID of
Individual, marriage, event was very enlightening enough to make it
worth reading the whole thread.

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM, SgtBob  wrote:
> Didn't mean to upset folks in asking about the Access data.  I will review 
> the items under the design feature and see if I can figure out the data. I'm 
> not that familiar with all the nuances of Access, so I will study it and 
> refrain from asking more questions on this area. Obviously a sore point... 
> sorry.
>
>
> Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-22 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:21:26 -0400, SgtBob  wrote:

>Obviously a sore point... sorry.

It's not really a sore point with me. I was just asking if there was a
more appropriate place for technical discussions like this.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread SgtBob
Didn't mean to upset folks in asking about the Access data.  I will review the 
items under the design feature and see if I can figure out the data. I'm not 
that familiar with all the nuances of Access, so I will study it and refrain 
from asking more questions on this area. Obviously a sore point... sorry.


Bob

 
 Jenny M Benson  wrote: 
> SgtBob wrote
> >Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent. 
> >I can figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of 
> >data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those 
> >columns represent?
> 
> IDSX is an ID number for each entry in tblSX and IDSR is an ID number 
> for each entry in tblSR.
> 
> IDSR then appears in tblSX to link each Source Detail to the relevant 
> Master Source.
> 
> IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
> linked to the correct Individual.
> 
> If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
> - 1 being Birth, for example.
> 
> Which fields in tblSR are you referring to.  When I look at it that 
> table the 2nd to 4th fields are SrcName, SrcTitle and SrcAuthor which I 
> would have thought are fairly self-explanatory.
> -- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Mike Fry

M. Brenzel wrote:

We are not all at the same level of experience with Legacy, with computers,
or with other software.  We all need to be tolerant of the questions and
answers on this list, as long as they are polite in nature.  I am a software
tester by profession and can write my own database query statements.
Information about the inner workings of the database are of interest to me
as I've done updates in my family database in Access.  Some of the questions
posed by people don't interest me and as long as there is a meaningful
subject on the email, I can quickly delete the messages.


Like you, I'm interested - but only because I'm a developer. I have the 
ability at home, to develop VB.NET code that can read the files. So, 
knowing which table contains which data and what each of the columns are 
is of extreme interest to me. You never know, one day I might release a 
utility package that produces all of these 'missing' reports that people 
are looking for :-)


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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread M. Brenzel
We are not all at the same level of experience with Legacy, with computers,
or with other software.  We all need to be tolerant of the questions and
answers on this list, as long as they are polite in nature.  I am a software
tester by profession and can write my own database query statements.
Information about the inner workings of the database are of interest to me
as I've done updates in my family database in Access.  Some of the questions
posed by people don't interest me and as long as there is a meaningful
subject on the email, I can quickly delete the messages.

As long as they are on topic, let's keep these discussions going.  If the
discussion is too technical for you, just delete the messages.

Mary 

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:28:58 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
>thread.

And that's as it should be. I just know that, in the past, discussions
that got quite technical have generated complaints from uninterested
parties. I have been at the receiving end of some of those complaints,
which is why I posed the question.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
>linked to the correct Individual.
>
>If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
>- 1 being Birth, for example.

If you insist on getting technical...

IDIME (a foreign key) can point to a variety of tables, based on the
value in the Type column. It must have been originally used for
Individual, Marriage, and Event records (hence the IME). But later
versions of Legacy added sourcing of Child Relationship and To-Do
records (off the top of my head).
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:28:58 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
>thread.

And that's as it should be. I just know that, in the past, discussions
that got quite technical have generated complaints from uninterested
parties. I have been at the receiving end of some of those complaints,
which is why I posed the question.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread jeffma...@orthohelp.com

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:


IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be
linked to the correct Individual.


It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Jenny M Benson

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote
I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are 
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


LUGgers who are not interested in this topic don't have to read this 
thread.  Apart from those for whom it has an interest now, there may be 
others in future who find the thread in the Archive and still others who 
pick up a little bit of information that may just come in handy some 
time.


As long as threads are on-topic, I don't think it's a good idea to start 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Kris

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.


It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.


So conversations have to not only be on topic, they have to be 
exciting, too?  If that's the case, I'm afraid 99% of the messages 
here don't measure up.  ;-)


Two years from now someone who is ignoring this conversation will have 
an inkling about it and want to be looking for it.  It would be a 
shame if only half of it were archived.  :-)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
>linked to the correct Individual.

It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a
pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-)

I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are
probably boring 99% of the LUGgers.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Jenny M Benson

SgtBob wrote
Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent. 
I can figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of 
data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those 
columns represent?


IDSX is an ID number for each entry in tblSX and IDSR is an ID number 
for each entry in tblSR.


IDSR then appears in tblSX to link each Source Detail to the relevant 
Master Source.


IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be 
linked to the correct Individual.


If I remember correctly, TYPE refers to the Event which is being Sourced 
- 1 being Birth, for example.


Which fields in tblSR are you referring to.  When I look at it that 
table the 2nd to 4th fields are SrcName, SrcTitle and SrcAuthor which I 
would have thought are fairly self-explanatory.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:35:47 -0400, SgtBob  wrote:

>what do the first 3-4 columns of  data in the tblSX and tblSR mean?

If you open the database in Design View, some of the columns have
annotations (not always up-to-date).

>It might help me to work in Access on some errors I am trying to correct if I 
>could figure out their meaning and connection to the Legacy data.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-21 Thread SgtBob
Rich - I wanted to know what the various data in the columns represent.  I can 
figure out most of them, but what do the first 3-4 columns of  data in the 
tblSX and tblSR mean?  I.e., what do the numbers in those columns represent?  
It might help me to work in Access on some errors I am trying to correct if I 
could figure out their meaning and connection to the Legacy data.

Bob

 RICHARD SCHULTHIES  wrote: 
> 
> When I used to use Access at work, I printed a partial list of field names 
> and the 'long' versions for them. It is in the bottom of my file cabinet, 
> since the computer I created it on is long gone to the dump, I will try to 
> find it. I am curious about the reasons for 'explains the columnar headings 
> and their uses within the various Access reports.' 
> Rich in LA CA
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Dennis M. Kowallek  wrote:
> 
> > From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:02 AM
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 6:48:42 -0400, SgtBob
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >is there any data written out that explains the
> > columnar headings and their uses within the various Access
> > reports.
> > 
> > I don't know of anything public that goes into this
> > detail.
> > 
> > I created a list of the various Legacy tables and published
> > it at:
> > 
> > http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tables.htm
> > 
> > But I did not write up anything on the columns and how they
> > were used.
> > That would take a lot of time.
> > 
> > You can figure these things out easily enough by doing a
> > little
> > experimenting. Create a test database and play around.
> >  
> > -- 
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> > 
> > 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-20 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES

When I used to use Access at work, I printed a partial list of field names and 
the 'long' versions for them. It is in the bottom of my file cabinet, since the 
computer I created it on is long gone to the dump, I will try to find it. I am 
curious about the reasons for 'explains the columnar headings and their uses 
within the various Access reports.' 
Rich in LA CA



--- On Mon, 4/20/09, Dennis M. Kowallek  wrote:

> From: Dennis M. Kowallek 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:02 AM
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 6:48:42 -0400, SgtBob
>  wrote:
> 
> >is there any data written out that explains the
> columnar headings and their uses within the various Access
> reports.
> 
> I don't know of anything public that goes into this
> detail.
> 
> I created a list of the various Legacy tables and published
> it at:
> 
>   http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tables.htm
> 
> But I did not write up anything on the columns and how they
> were used.
> That would take a lot of time.
> 
> You can figure these things out easily enough by doing a
> little
> experimenting. Create a test database and play around.
>  
> -- 
> 
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> http://zippersoftware.com/ltools
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-20 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 6:48:42 -0400, SgtBob  wrote:

>is there any data written out that explains the columnar headings and their 
>uses within the various Access reports.

I don't know of anything public that goes into this detail.

I created a list of the various Legacy tables and published it at:

http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/help/v1/tables.htm

But I did not write up anything on the columns and how they were used.
That would take a lot of time.

You can figure these things out easily enough by doing a little
experimenting. Create a test database and play around.
 
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[LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2009-04-20 Thread SgtBob
Since I have heard that Legacy and Access are intertwined, is there any data 
written out that explains the columnar headings and their uses within the 
various Access reports.  I am particularly interested in the correlation of the 
numbers noted in the columnar headings of 'SrcDetail', 'FilingRef', 'IDSR', 
etc. I have made some use of the Access files to locate and review some of my 
source numbers and detail numbers, but would like to know what those other 
columns represent.  It may be that some issues I have encountered could be 
addressed via the Access route.  Please advise.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2006-06-26 Thread K Jones
OpenOffice Calc and the new OpenOffice2 Base can open Legacy files as
Data Sources -- although I don't see why anyone would want to.

Kraig Jones

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> Would it also work with Quattro Pro or the equivalent in Open 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2006-06-26 Thread ronald ferguson
I have only had a quick look at it in Open Office and it will open the file 
but iI found it needed to be renamed from a ".fdb" to ".mdb" before it would 
open. I used the quickstart and then Database and selected Access as the 
file type. It is necessary to save it as an ".odb" file and it opens itself 
automatically.


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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:02:05 -0500

Would it also work with Quattro Pro or the equivalent in Open
Office? Some of us do not use the Word Office program.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2006-06-26 Thread Myrna Jorgensen
Would it also work with Quattro Pro or the equivalent in Open 
Office? Some of us do not use the Word Office program.
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[LegacyUG] Legacy and Access

2006-06-26 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
I'd like to put together a Legacy News article
(http://www.legacynews.typepad.com) on the added benefits of using Access
with Legacy. Specifically, what are some things that you can do with Access
that Legacy, alone, cannot do?

If you have suggestions and would like to contribute, please use the "Submit
News" link from within the Legacy Home tab, or just visit
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/submitnews.asp

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 



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