Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Eric]

Thanks for the replies everyone!  What I think I'll do is just cite
everything.  I understand it'll be worthwhile in the long run and make my
research more credible.  Now I just have to find the time to cite it all.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Kramer  wrote:

> Eric, I would do exactly as Ron says except that if you find something that
> contradicts the other info, I would note it in the Research Notes as to why
> it is wrong so that you can justify why you didn't trust that source.  Also
> note how many times you could have referenced it corroborating the info that
> you trusted.  You can put some of those sources in the Research Notes,
> especially the sources that you didn't cite which were wrong.
> Ellen Kramer
>
> Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and
> Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>
> Not at all Eric, at least I don't.
>>
>> At the most I source the vital records twice;  for a name it may be any
>> two of eg, a birth index, birth certificate, marriage index, marriage
>> certificate, census.
>>
>> Usually other times when one finds a name it is in conjunction with an
>> Event, such as Occupation, Emigration etc. in which case I use the source to
>> Source the Event and not the name.
>>
>> I apply the same way of working to all records. I do prioritise according
>> to reliability, and also use my assessment of the Surety Level.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Kramer]

Eric, I would do exactly as Ron says except that if you find something  
that contradicts the other info, I would note it in the Research Notes  
as to why it is wrong so that you can justify why you didn't trust  
that source.  Also note how many times you could have referenced it  
corroborating the info that you trusted.  You can put some of those  
sources in the Research Notes, especially the sources that you didn't  
cite which were wrong.

Ellen Kramer

Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger  
and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families



On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:


Not at all Eric, at least I don't.

At the most I source the vital records twice;  for a name it may be  
any two of eg, a birth index, birth certificate, marriage index,  
marriage certificate, census.


Usually other times when one finds a name it is in conjunction with  
an Event, such as Occupation, Emigration etc. in which case I use  
the source to Source the Event and not the name.


I apply the same way of working to all records. I do prioritise  
according to reliability, and also use my assessment of the Surety  
Level.


Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Jenny M Benson]

Eric wrote
1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some 
individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one 
of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church 
records.  Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times 
his name appeared in the records? 

 
2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in 
various records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church 
records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same 
information?  This is something that I have been thinking about for a 
long time and just need some opinions on it.


Presumably most of the different appearances in the various records are 
for different Events and if you are recording those Events (and why 
would you not?) you will want to include Source Citations.


Where you do have several different Sources for the same event you may 
cite all of them to show how valid the information is or you might 
consider it not necessary to cite more than 2 or 3 Sources for the same 
Event if they are all giving exactly the same information.  If they are 
giving different information you should cite them all to show there is 
some discrepancy but you can give more weight to those you believe to be 
more reliable.

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Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Janis L Gilmore]

Eric,

Are they the records of the same church? I would, personally, want all of
the references in my timeline. If they are all from the same source, I¹m
sure you are aware that you can create a master source, and enter details
regarding page, date, event, individual ­ on the detail screen.

Janis


On 10/3/09 4:58 AM, "Eric"  wrote:

> Hello everyone-
>  
> I have a couple questions if you don't mind:
>  
> 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some
> individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my
> 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is it
> appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in
> the records?  
>  
> 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in
> various records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records)
> ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information?  This
> is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need
> some opinions on it.
>  
> Thank you!
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Eric
> 






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RE: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Kirsten Bowman]

Eric:

I'd take a middle-of-the-road approach.  Any records that support or dispute
basic facts in your database should certainlly be cited individually.  On
the other hand, if your ancestors are simply listed as church members over
15-17 years, I would lump that into one source note.  As to your question
about recent ancestors, the obscure records with duplicate information may
not add anything to your information on the individual, but they are a
helpful record of where you've searched and there are a variety of ways that
you might handle those, including use of the To Do list.

_Evidence Explained_ recommends that when your research is finally turned
into a narrative you trim source citations to just the most pertinent, but
during the "research phase" you'd best keep track of everything.

Kirsten

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Eric
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Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite?


Hello everyone-

I have a couple questions if you don't mind:

1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some
individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my
6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is
it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared
in the records?

2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in
various records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records)
ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information?
This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just
need some opinions on it.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Eric





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Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Michele Lewis]

My answers are below...

1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some individuals 
in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th 
great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is it 
appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in 
the records?  


If each entry is completely distinct them I would record them all.  It just 
gives you a better picture of your ancestor.  For example, My Obedience Lee 
Perry should up in many church records mainly because she was a bit of a rebel 
and she was always being called on the carpet :) :) :)




2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various 
records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite 
other obscure ones as well that give the same information?  This is something 
that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on 
it.

I always cite all references to a particular fact.  It shows that I have 
checked everything.  For example, a date of death...  I might have
cemetery record
obituary
death certificate
Bible record
SSDI

Sometimes they won't all agree!  If I just picked one to use then I might be 
missing something.  Just because I have a Bible record doesn't mean I am not 
going to look for the grave or an obit or a death certificate.

Michele







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Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Ron Ferguson]

Not at all Eric, at least I don't.

At the most I source the vital records twice;  for a name it may be any two 
of eg, a birth index, birth certificate, marriage index, marriage 
certificate, census.


Usually other times when one finds a name it is in conjunction with an 
Event, such as Occupation, Emigration etc. in which case I use the source to 
Source the Event and not the name.


I apply the same way of working to all records. I do prioritise according to 
reliability, and also use my assessment of the Surety Level.


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Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite?


Hello everyone-

I have a couple questions if you don't mind:

1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some 
individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 
6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is 
it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared 
in the records?


2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in 
various records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) 
ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? 
This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just 
need some opinions on it.


Thank you!

Sincerely,

Eric






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[LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Eric]

Hello everyone-

I have a couple questions if you don't mind:

1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some
individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my
6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is
it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared
in the records?

2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in
various records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records)
ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information?
This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just
need some opinions on it.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Eric

RE: [LegacyUG] What to cite?

[Richard and Evita Piepho]

Eric...include all sources...What I do for the so called "obscure" is place the 
source information in the notes of the event...I also include the wrong data I 
have found and explain why it is wrong or why I think it is wrong so others who 
read your data understand when they run across this incorrect data.  I know it 
takes time to do this but in the long run for you and others you do not have to 
re think data.  Richard 

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:58:48 -1000
Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
From: sigmentenb...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

Hello everyone-
 
I have a couple questions if you don't mind:
 
1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite?  I have some individuals 
in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th 
great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records.  Is it 
appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in 
the records?  

 
2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various 
records.  Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite 
other obscure ones as well that give the same information?  This is something 
that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on 
it.

 
Thank you!
 
Sincerely,
 
Eric  
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