Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd Miller wrote So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal evidence sources with better ones. Blimey! I'm a dedicated lumper but I already have over 330 Master Sources for about 3,500 names. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Same here, Jenny. I have 476 sources for 8170 names. If the sources weren't lumped there would surely be thousands. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:58 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd Miller wrote So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal evidence sources with better ones. Blimey! I'm a dedicated lumper but I already have over 330 Master Sources for about 3,500 names. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd, I have just checked that template out, and in the Source Detail, the fourth item down is ID of Child. I also tested it using a person in my files and the name was reproduced in the output. This, btw., would be the template I would use as well, although at present mine are still in the Basic Format. Might change them now that I've done the template :-). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Blogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: bo...@vodafone.net.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:57:56 +1200 I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. If I use this master source to, for instance, source the parent's marriage place or the father's occupation, there is no way in the printed out source list that comes from this template, to tell which certificate the information was taken from. I can title the document in the Source List Name to uniquely identify it, but that does not print out in the reports. The same issue relates to citing marriage and death certificates - there does not appear to be a field to record the name of the principal player. These templates are thus of no use at all, or am I missing something? Do I have to go back to the Basic source format and use the Title field to get a source that tells me whose birth is being recorded? How does anybody else cite a birth certificate? Boyd _ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd, In the Source Detail entry screen there is a place for ID of person. I guess I'm more of a lumper when it comes to birth certificates, since most of mine are issued in the state of Miss. Legacy seems to lean toward lumping birth certificates, since the ID for each person is at the Detail level. However, even though you are citing each birth certificate as a Master Source, you can still enter the ID of the person at the Detail level for that Master Source. Does that make sense? Dede Holden On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Boyd Miller bo...@vodafone.net.nz wrote: I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. If I use this master source to, for instance, source the parent's marriage place or the father's occupation, there is no way in the printed out source list that comes from this template, to tell which certificate the information was taken from. I can title the document in the Source List Name to uniquely identify it, but that does not print out in the reports. The same issue relates to citing marriage and death certificates - there does not appear to be a field to record the name of the principal player. These templates are thus of no use at all, or am I missing something? Do I have to go back to the Basic source format and use the Title field to get a source that tells me whose birth is being recorded? How does anybody else cite a birth certificate? Boyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
I have my birth certificates (as well as marriage and death) set up by juridisdiction. DEATH RECORDS - GA - Columbia Co - certificates DEATH RECORDS - MS - Lamar Co - certificates DEATH RECORDS - MS - Perry Co - certificates MARRIAGE RECORDS - FL - Hillsborough Co - certificates MARRIAGE RECORDS - GA - Richmond Co - certificates MARRIAGE RECORDS - MS - Forrest Co - certificates I do it this way based on the information asked for when you use the source writer. It asks for state and county so you can have 1 source for all the certicificates coming form that state and county. The detail screen asks for the certificate number, the year and the person(s) named on the certificate. There is no reason to make a master source for every single person. michele - Original Message - From: Boyd Miller bo...@vodafone.net.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:57 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. If I use this master source to, for instance, source the parent's marriage place or the father's occupation, there is no way in the printed out source list that comes from this template, to tell which certificate the information was taken from. I can title the document in the Source List Name to uniquely identify it, but that does not print out in the reports. The same issue relates to citing marriage and death certificates - there does not appear to be a field to record the name of the principal player. These templates are thus of no use at all, or am I missing something? Do I have to go back to the Basic source format and use the Title field to get a source that tells me whose birth is being recorded? How does anybody else cite a birth certificate? Boyd No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2373 - Release Date: 09/15/09 13:37:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd Miller wrote I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I don't see that your reasoning above is valid. Just because a Source relates to several different people, it doesn't follow that you have to create a new Master Source for every similar document. That's what Source Detail is for. Master Source is for generalities - things that are likely to be repeated over and over, such as the fact that it's a Birth Certificate, that it was issued in a certain Country by a certain Authority. Source Details is for, not surprisingly, the details - things that won't be the same for every similar document, such as that the Birth Certificate is for Joe Bloggs or Fanny Adams. I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. No, for the reasons I have given above. That field, is in the Source Details I think you would be well advised to re-think how you tackle Master Sources and make more use of Source Details. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Boyd, Do not lose heart. I am mid-way in a process of moving my birth, death marriage sources from one per to something more lumped. But I have chosen to use state / county / year... or just state / year. As I said, I'm mid-way in the change process. Still, the template should work no matter your lumping level. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:39:03 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd Miller wrote I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I don't see that your reasoning above is valid. Just because a Source relates to several different people, it doesn't follow that you have to create a new Master Source for every similar document. That's what Source Detail is for. Master Source is for generalities - things that are likely to be repeated over and over, such as the fact that it's a Birth Certificate, that it was issued in a certain Country by a certain Authority. Source Details is for, not surprisingly, the details - things that won't be the same for every similar document, such as that the Birth Certificate is for Joe Bloggs or Fanny Adams. I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. No, for the reasons I have given above. That field, is in the Source Details I think you would be well advised to re-think how you tackle Master Sources and make more use of Source Details. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
Thanks folks for pointing out that the name is in the detail. I hadn't gone that far down. I can now happily use this template, however I am not a lumper and will continue to keep each certificate as a master source. So far I have only 300 master sources for 5000 names in the larger of my two families and this will grow a I replace some of the Marginal evidence sources with better ones. It's not difficult to find any source one I need from the MS list. As a general principle, I have tried to identify the document in the master source fields, and note the relevant page or other identifying detail in the detail fields. The certificate templates have been set up in a different format so I will try to do things the proper way with certificates. I follow a convention recommended in Legacy's earlier video Ultimate Guide to Sources. I set up the Source List Name for all certificates (and some other documents) in the form Place - date - Surname, given names, document type. This way I can see in my master source list all the people, in date order, who have a relationship with the same place. Boyd -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Paula Ryburn Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 2:12 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd, Do not lose heart. I am mid-way in a process of moving my birth, death marriage sources from one per to something more lumped. But I have chosen to use state / county / year... or just state / year. As I said, I'm mid-way in the change process. Still, the template should work no matter your lumping level. ;) --Paula in Texas Researching: Adair Baker Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams - Original Message From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:39:03 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source Boyd Miller wrote I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I don't see that your reasoning above is valid. Just because a Source relates to several different people, it doesn't follow that you have to create a new Master Source for every similar document. That's what Source Detail is for. Master Source is for generalities - things that are likely to be repeated over and over, such as the fact that it's a Birth Certificate, that it was issued in a certain Country by a certain Authority. Source Details is for, not surprisingly, the details - things that won't be the same for every similar document, such as that the Birth Certificate is for Joe Bloggs or Fanny Adams. I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. No, for the reasons I have given above. That field, is in the Source Details I think you would be well advised to re-think how you tackle Master Sources and make more use of Source Details. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup
Re: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source
When I first started to source my data, I used the rule of thumb that a Master Source was any single document whether it was a single page, as a Birth Certificate, or millions of pages, as the 1900 U.S. Census. Of course, as time passed I encountered many sources for which this format wasn't a good fit. And then I came across collections of data, such as Ancestry.com has. So now I use the collection (e.g., Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909) as a Master Source. Almost all my Birth/Death certificates that I use as Master Sources were created with the Basic Source template, so the individual name is included in the Title. If you are determined to keep the BC as a Master Source, you might try entering individual identifying date in the Text or Comments fields and checking the Include on reports box and see if you can get wording that works for you. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Boyd Miller bo...@vodafone.net.nz Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:57 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Birth certificate as a master source I treat each birth, marriage and death certificate as a master source because information from each certificate relates to a number of different people. A birth certificate can give father's and mothers full names, ages (hence approximate birth date), occupations and birthplaces, parents marriage date and place, and birth informant. Other certificates similarly have data on several people apart from the certificate subject person(s). I am trying to cite a birth certificate issued in Scotland. The template for a birth certificate comes from Birth recordsBirth certificateAll countries except.Created at state/provincial levelbasic format (Most other options within this certificate string get you to a similar set of fields) There does not appear to be a field to record whose birth the certificate relates to. If I use this master source to, for instance, source the parent's marriage place or the father's occupation, there is no way in the printed out source list that comes from this template, to tell which certificate the information was taken from. I can title the document in the Source List Name to uniquely identify it, but that does not print out in the reports. The same issue relates to citing marriage and death certificates - there does not appear to be a field to record the name of the principal player. These templates are thus of no use at all, or am I missing something? Do I have to go back to the Basic source format and use the Title field to get a source that tells me whose birth is being recorded? How does anybody else cite a birth certificate? Boyd No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
