RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Jenny, There are a total of 13 standardization warnings. I am asking for the ability to globally turn off each one individually. Right now, you can either turn them all on or off. I really like most of the warnings, just not the ones that warn me of, 1) Check for illegal characters in the name field, 2) Too many dashes in the name field and 3) Mixed case. Plus, I get this one - Surname: If you are guessing a name, you should put your guess in the Research Notes, not a name field. If you do not know the name, leave the field blank. Put nicknames and alternate names in the AKA field - every time I use [--?--] for an unknown name I am asking to be able to turn off each of the 13 standardization warnings individually, globally, in order to keep all the rest in force for the whole database. I want to do this in the OptionsCustomizeOtherTurn off or on Optional Reminder Messages, not on each individuals information screen. I hope this made it clear what I am asking for. La Nell -Original Message- Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names La Nell Shores wrote From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I must be misunderstanding what it is you are asking for because we can already turn off the standardization warnings individually. You can uncheck any of the Standardisations you don't want to check for - such as illegal characters or too many dashes. You can run a PP report with particular options checked and then mark each individual Mark as not a problem or you can tick the box on an Individual's page for Exclude from potential problems. What more do you want? -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
La Nell Shores wrote There are a total of 13 standardization warnings. I am asking for the ability to globally turn off each one individually. Right now, you can either turn them all on or off. Rather by chance, I have happened on what you are talking about - which is the Optional Reminder Message concerning Standardisation. I had presumed you were talking about the options for a Potential Problems Report. I haven't had that switched on - as I didn't have the Display Potential Problems message switched on with version 6. I just run a PPR every now and then and can select what warnings I do or don't want. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
That's one advantage of keeping both Legacy 6 and Legacy 7 installed and runable (vs letting version 7 overlay version 6). If you discover an oddity like this (one that wouldn't be noticed right away), you can always start up both versions and do some comparisons between them to see if it is you or if it is the program. Bob - Original Message - From: Mary Fowler Leek To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names Ron, It's in the Descendant Narrative Book Report where the lines no longer show or print. I'm talking about lines I've actually typed into the name field in Legacy, like this . not the option we can tick in Legacy to include lines for missing info in the reports. Ironically, it appears they do show up and print in the Descendant Book report? This doesn't make much sense. My favorite report is the Descendant Narrative Book report and the one I use all the time. Well, double checked to be certain I was using the exact same font and discovered one was a different font face. Changing to the identical font face used in Descendant Report fixed things. Now I'm getting my typed underline in both reports in both report styles. Yea Now, if I can just figure out another little oddity in report formatting, I'll be good to go. Thanks so much for letting me know you weren't able to duplicate. I had switched back and forth, trying to figure out if anything was different and had convinced myself I was using the same settings everywhere. So happy to have this cleared up. Mary - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names Mary, In which reports are the lines not showing up? They are OK in mine - I have only looked at the Preview though, so is it something that happens on printing etc. (You can tell I prefer not to use them!) Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Yes, I know I can turn them off for individual people and it does not help because it takes 4 turn offs for each individual that I have a [--?--] for. Right now, I just have the whole standardization thing turned off. I have a large database. But, thanks. La Nell Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names You can turn off specific warnings for specific people, will that help? For example, I have a lot of cousins that married cousins with the same last name (rural 9th century MS). When I add the person it tells me that they husband and wife have the same name. I turn off that particular warning for that particular person. ALSO, when you run the potential problems you can tell it exactly what to look for or what not to look for. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Totally agree with you. I know of the search for missing data, but I've never used the report that inserts underlines for missing data. Where is that one? Jeff La Nell Shores wrote: From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I just submitted one. The rest is up to you. I use [--?--] and intend to continue using that form. It's a personal choice and it seems to be a standard form in genealogy. Reasoning: If Aunt So-and-so married James, and I leave it blank, how do I know if it is James SOMEBODY or Somebody JAMES? Many of our names could be used as a first name or a surname, and we need some way of indicating which it is. I know it messes up the report that inserts underlines for missing data, however it definitely looks better in regular descendant or ancestor reports to have some way of indicating which name is missing and I use those reports many times over more frequently than the insert underlines for missing data report. Just my thoughts on this subject. La Nell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
This is what I now enter for my unknowns (_). Please see example at end of message. It will lose a bit of formatting because of sending this message as plain text but you can get the idea. I used to enter just a __ but noticed, with Legacy 7, my entered underlines don't carry into the reports like they did in v6, so I've begun using the ( ) . In Legacy 7, it just prints out as ( ), but with the ( ), it still serves my purpose. I don't care to print underlines for all missing information, just the names. I am always surprised at how the blank area draws the eye of the reader and seems to encourage them to want to 'help' by offering the name, if known. It's nice Legacy allows us to use different options. Mary Known children were: + 2 F i.Helen Mae Simpson was born on 1 Jul 1901 in Jackson, Teton County, Wyoming, died on 16 May 1958 in Anchorage, Territory of Alaska at age 56, and was buried in Palmer (Palmer Cemetery), Territory of Alaska. + 3 Fii.(_) M. Simpson was born about 1908 in Wyoming. + 4 F iii.Eula E. Simpson was born on 10 May 1910 in Jackson, Wyoming, died on 13 Jul 1956 in Seward, Territory of Alaska at age 46, and was buried in Anchorage (Anchorage City Cemetery), Territory of Alaska. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Jeff, If you create, for example, an ancestor book report (ReportsAll reports (Books and others)...Ancestors), on the Options tab, you can choose to Insert Underlines for Missing Given and Surnames, Dates and places and Death information for individuals marked as Living. These options are probably most often used when creating a report for someone else who may be able to fill in the information for you. Regards, Dermot. 2008/6/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip the report that inserts underlines for missing data. Where is that one? /snip Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Mary, In which reports are the lines not showing up? They are OK in mine - I have only looked at the Preview though, so is it something that happens on printing etc. (You can tell I prefer not to use them!) Ron Ferguson _ New Blog: Free Contacts Database for use with Open Office http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:45:04 -0500 This is what I now enter for my unknowns (_). Please see example at end of message. It will lose a bit of formatting because of sending this message as plain text but you can get the idea. I used to enter just a __ but noticed, with Legacy 7, my entered underlines don't carry into the reports like they did in v6, so I've begun using the ( ) . In Legacy 7, it just prints out as ( ), but with the ( ), it still serves my purpose. I don't care to print underlines for all missing information, just the names. I am always surprised at how the blank area draws the eye of the reader and seems to encourage them to want to 'help' by offering the name, if known. It's nice Legacy allows us to use different options. Mary Known children were: + 2 F i.Helen Mae Simpson was born on 1 Jul 1901 in Jackson, Teton County, Wyoming, died on 16 May 1958 in Anchorage, Territory of Alaska at age 56, and was buried in Palmer (Palmer Cemetery), Territory of Alaska. + 3 Fii.(_) M. Simpson was born about 1908 in Wyoming. + 4 F iii.Eula E. Simpson was born on 10 May 1910 in Jackson, Wyoming, died on 13 Jul 1956 in Seward, Territory of Alaska at age 46, and was buried in Anchorage (Anchorage City Cemetery), Territory of Alaska. _ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl001004ukm/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
I am currently using the form (Brandt), Pearl for last names or Gartley, Unknown for first names. I tried using [] but the name disappeared. I have may be 50 or more names where I have no last name and another 20 where I have no first name. Attaching the married last name in parentheses at least helps me keep track of where they belong. Otherwise I would have at least 5 --?--, Elizabeth's. Our family has a tendency to repeat names. If there is a practice that would work better for me I would be glad to hear it. Elizabeth C La Nell Shores wrote: From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I just submitted one. The rest is up to you. I use [--?--] and intend to continue using that form. It's a personal choice and it seems to be a standard form in genealogy. Reasoning: If Aunt So-and-so married James, and I leave it blank, how do I know if it is James SOMEBODY or Somebody JAMES? Many of our names could be used as a first name or a surname, and we need some way of indicating which it is. I know it messes up the report that inserts underlines for missing data, however it definitely looks better in regular descendant or ancestor reports to have some way of indicating which name is missing and I use those reports many times over more frequently than the insert underlines for missing data report. Just my thoughts on this subject. La Nell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
In the 'Individual's Information' screen click on 'Exclude from Potential Problems...' , then select the 'Standardisation' tab. Is this what you mean? Regards, Dave (NZ). From: La Nell Shores Sent: Fri 27/06/2008 02:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I just submitted one. The rest is up to you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
Ron, It's in the Descendant Narrative Book Report where the lines no longer show or print. I'm talking about lines I've actually typed into the name field in Legacy, like this . not the option we can tick in Legacy to include lines for missing info in the reports. Ironically, it appears they do show up and print in the Descendant Book report? This doesn't make much sense. My favorite report is the Descendant Narrative Book report and the one I use all the time. Well, double checked to be certain I was using the exact same font and discovered one was a different font face. Changing to the identical font face used in Descendant Report fixed things. Now I'm getting my typed underline in both reports in both report styles. Yea Now, if I can just figure out another little oddity in report formatting, I'll be good to go. Thanks so much for letting me know you weren't able to duplicate. I had switched back and forth, trying to figure out if anything was different and had convinced myself I was using the same settings everywhere. So happy to have this cleared up. Mary - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names Mary, In which reports are the lines not showing up? They are OK in mine - I have only looked at the Preview though, so is it something that happens on printing etc. (You can tell I prefer not to use them!) Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
I do not think that is adequate. You may want to know about other standardization problems, just exempt Legacy considering [--?--] to be one of the problems. Doing what you suggest means that that individual may be excluded from Legacy finding any other standardization problems. Just my 2 cents. Jeff - Original Message - From: david To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names In the 'Individual's Information' screen click on 'Exclude from Potential Problems...' , then select the 'Standardisation' tab. Is this what you mean? Regards, Dave (NZ). From: La Nell Shores Sent: Fri 27/06/2008 02:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I just submitted one. The rest is up to you. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dealing with unknown names
In theory, I like the best the option of putting [[ ]] to indicate the married surname for women, except the surname does not line up alphabetically under others of that surname. It goes after the people with no surnames. So I don't know how useful it is. This topic went back and forth a couple of weeks ago and various suggestions were offered. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Elizabeth Cunningham wrote: I am currently using the form (Brandt), Pearl for last names or Gartley, Unknown for first names. I tried using [] but the name disappeared. I have may be 50 or more names where I have no last name and another 20 where I have no first name. Attaching the married last name in parentheses at least helps me keep track of where they belong. Otherwise I would have at least 5 --?--, Elizabeth's. Our family has a tendency to repeat names. If there is a practice that would work better for me I would be glad to hear it. Elizabeth C La Nell Shores wrote: From the amount of chatter on this subject, there must be a bunch of us who use , [--?--], or some other form of notation to indicate Unknown names. If we all would submit a suggest a new feature to support, indicating that we would like to be able to turn off the standardization warnings individually, maybe they would hear us and fix it to our liking. I just submitted one. The rest is up to you. I use [--?--] and intend to continue using that form. It's a personal choice and it seems to be a standard form in genealogy. Reasoning: If Aunt So-and-so married James, and I leave it blank, how do I know if it is James SOMEBODY or Somebody JAMES? Many of our names could be used as a first name or a surname, and we need some way of indicating which it is. I know it messes up the report that inserts underlines for missing data, however it definitely looks better in regular descendant or ancestor reports to have some way of indicating which name is missing and I use those reports many times over more frequently than the insert underlines for missing data report. Just my thoughts on this subject. La Nell Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
