RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Dave Miller]

>  I have been very quiet while all of this discussion has been going on
>over bloodlines verses homosexual relationships.


  That was working for me.






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RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jim Terry]

Listers,

I have replied to Darlene and the others off=list. No one else needs to
reply. Leave it alone, please.

Jim Terry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darlene &
Don Hicks
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 6:39 PM
To: Evan Henderson; LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

   I have been very quiet while all of this discussion
has been going on over bloodlines

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RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jay Last Namewarren]

For more info on this you can read the web pages listed below. 
   
  But let's keep the discussion here RELATED TO the USE of LEGACY and not your 
ignorance that more than 50% of families in the USA are something OTHER than a 
married man and woman, and how Legacy can help us document ALL the famiy 
relationships that exist. 
   
   
   
  Darlene, please read;
  http://www.timberwoof.com/essays/radicals.html
   
  http://www.christiancommunityclarksville.com/sermon_06-29-2004.html
   
  http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html
   
  
http://www.americansfortruth.com/issues/the-bible-churches-glbtq/a-what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality/
   
   

Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I have been very quiet while all of this discussion
has been going on over bloodlines verses homosexual
relationships. One of our moderators has stated that
the people who continued with this discussion would be
removed from the list. THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!!! This
discussion just keeps going on and on, and there
doesn't seem to be any end in sight!


and my reply to Evan,
Ah Evan, your ignorance is showing, on this subject! 
God forgives all sinners, who turn from their evil
ways , but he said to the prostitute, "GO AND SIN NO
MORE!" She did not continue as a prostitute! If you
are truly sorry, you stop the behavior. If you really
want to know how God feels about Homosexuality read 1
Corinthians 6:9-20 If you truly are a Christian then
go and read the Bible! Homosexuals are an abomination
to the Lord, and will be dealt with accordingly! 
Christ-like means that he is perfect and we should
strieve to be perfect, also! The only homosexuals
that Jesus got close to were those who turned from
their evil deeds and started following the Lord!
Yes many homosexuals do create children, and in a
genealogy program they should be shown WITH the person
they created the child with and not the gay partner. 
Otherwise, those of you who show gay relationships, do
you also show every persons girlfriend and boyfriend? 
They are the same relationship as a gay person is;
Someone you think you are in love with, but Irrelevent
when dealing with "Gene"ology! The reason married
spouses are shown is because you are related to the
children of this union, and so their parents are
included because there is a combining of bloodlines. 
Now, can we stop this discussion!!!

Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



--- Evan Henderson wrote:

> If you are truly a Christian, which I am, and it
> means to be Christlike, you
> would do as Jesus did and reach out to the
> homosexuals and teach them about
> God's true love, instead of preaching against them. 
> Many homosexuals do
> create children, they can have sex with the opposite
> sex
> Besides, you just have not looked hard enough in
> your family. All families
> have them.
> Reach out and teach God's love is real He loves
> them. Jesus died for their
> sins as well as yours.
> Or are you hiding in a whale as Jonah did.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Darlene &
> Don Hicks
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:16 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? -
> was Re: [LegacyUG]
> Homosexual Entries
> 
> 
> I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can. I could care less about
> family
> history or some odd relationship between two people
> of
> the same sex. So far, I have not found one
> homosexual relationship in my
> family going back to 1800. Maybe this is because my
> family is made up of
> Christians,
> and we honor our Lord. If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy. 
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant. I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program. If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy. I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion. 
> 
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> --- Bill Anderson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> homosexuality, which 
> > are immaterial to how such relationships (which
> exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> > 
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> > 
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much
> more
> > complex

Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[TH]

LOL

On 9/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Darlene,
>
> Boible Thumping 101 is down the hall to the right.
>
> To paraphrase Jimmy Buffet... take your god and shove it.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Evan Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 8:39 pm
> Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
> Homosexual Entries
>
>
>
>   I have been very quiet while all of this discussion
> has been going on over bloodlines verses homosexual
> relationships.  One of our moderators has stated that
> the people who continued with this discussion would be
> removed from the list.  THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!!!  This
> discussion just keeps going on and on, and there
> doesn't seem to be any end in sight!
>
>
> and my reply to Evan,
> Ah Evan, your ignorance is showing, on this subject!
> God forgives all sinners, who turn from their evil
> ways , but he said to the prostitute, "GO AND SIN NO
> MORE!"  She did not continue as a prostitute!  If you
> are truly sorry, you stop the behavior.  If you really
> want to know how God feels about Homosexuality read 1
> Corinthians 6:9-20  If you truly are a Christian then
> go and read the Bible!  Homosexuals are an abomination
> to the Lord, and will be dealt with accordingly!
> Christ-like means that he is perfect and we should
> strieve to be perfect, also!  The only homosexuals
> that Jesus got close to were those who turned from
> their evil deeds and started following the Lord!
>   Yes many homosexuals do create children, and in a
> genealogy program they should be shown WITH the person
> they created the child with and not the gay partner.
> Otherwise, those of you who show gay relationships, do
> you also show every persons girlfriend and boyfriend?
> They are the same relationship as a gay person is;
> Someone you think you are in love with, but Irrelevent
> when dealing with "Gene"ology!  The reason married
> spouses are shown is because you are related to the
> children of this union, and so their parents are
> included because there is a combining of bloodlines.
> Now, can we stop this discussion!!!
>
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> --- Evan Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If you are truly a Christian, which I am, and it
> > means to be Christlike, you
> > would do as Jesus did and reach out to the
> > homosexuals and teach them about
> > God's true love, instead of preaching against them.
> > Many homosexuals do
> > create children, they can have sex with the opposite
> > sex
> > Besides, you just have not looked hard enough in
> > your family.  All families
> > have them.
> > Reach out and teach God's love is real He loves
> > them.  Jesus died for their
> > sins as well as yours.
> > Or are you hiding in a whale as Jonah did.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Darlene &
> > Don Hicks
> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:16 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? -
> > was Re: [LegacyUG]
> > Homosexual Entries
> >
> >
> >   I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> > back as far as I can.  I could care less about
> > family
> > history or some odd relationship between two people
> > of
> > the same sex.  So far, I have not found one
> > homosexual relationship in my
> > family going back to 1800.  Maybe this is because my
> > family is made up of
> > Christians,
> > and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> > who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> > friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
> > They cannot create children and therefore are
> > irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> > together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> > turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> > gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> > genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> > because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> > be any discussion.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Darlene
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> > homosexuality, which
> > &

Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[agh3rd]

Darlene,

Boible Thumping 101 is down the hall to the right.

To paraphrase Jimmy Buffet... take your god and shove it.




-Original Message-
From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Evan Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com

Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 8:39 pm
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries




  I have been very quiet while all of this discussion
has been going on over bloodlines verses homosexual
relationships.  One of our moderators has stated that
the people who continued with this discussion would be
removed from the list.  THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!!!  This
discussion just keeps going on and on, and there
doesn't seem to be any end in sight!


and my reply to Evan,
Ah Evan, your ignorance is showing, on this subject!
God forgives all sinners, who turn from their evil
ways , but he said to the prostitute, "GO AND SIN NO
MORE!"  She did not continue as a prostitute!  If you
are truly sorry, you stop the behavior.  If you really
want to know how God feels about Homosexuality read 1
Corinthians 6:9-20  If you truly are a Christian then
go and read the Bible!  Homosexuals are an abomination
to the Lord, and will be dealt with accordingly!
Christ-like means that he is perfect and we should
strieve to be perfect, also!  The only homosexuals
that Jesus got close to were those who turned from
their evil deeds and started following the Lord!
  Yes many homosexuals do create children, and in a
genealogy program they should be shown WITH the person
they created the child with and not the gay partner.
Otherwise, those of you who show gay relationships, do
you also show every persons girlfriend and boyfriend?
They are the same relationship as a gay person is;
Someone you think you are in love with, but Irrelevent
when dealing with "Gene"ology!  The reason married
spouses are shown is because you are related to the
children of this union, and so their parents are
included because there is a combining of bloodlines.
 Now, can we stop this discussion!!!

Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



--- Evan Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you are truly a Christian, which I am, and it
means to be Christlike, you
would do as Jesus did and reach out to the
homosexuals and teach them about
God's true love, instead of preaching against them.
Many homosexuals do
create children, they can have sex with the opposite
sex
Besides, you just have not looked hard enough in
your family.  All families
have them.
Reach out and teach God's love is real He loves
them.  Jesus died for their
sins as well as yours.
Or are you hiding in a whale as Jonah did.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Darlene &
Don Hicks
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? -
was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries


  I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about
family
history or some odd relationship between two people
of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one
homosexual relationship in my
family going back to 1800.  Maybe this is because my
family is made up of
Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
They cannot create children and therefore are
irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
together and create their own program.  If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.

Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
homosexuality, which
> are immaterial to how such relationships (which
exist)
> should be recorded, there is
> a more fundamental point raised.
>
> Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> Family History (FH) program or a
> Genealogical (Gen) program?
>
> My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much
more
> complex with the associated
> development and maintenance costs and greater
> learning curve - and a higher
> price tag!
>
> There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which
we
> have already requested and
> which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side
is developed.
>
> It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel
for
> the direction that the
> majority of his user community would like to see
> developed (even if it doesn't
> follow my line of reasoning!)
>
> What do others think?
>
> Bill Anderson
>
>
>
>

RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Darlene & Don Hicks]

   I have been very quiet while all of this discussion
has been going on over bloodlines verses homosexual
relationships.  One of our moderators has stated that
the people who continued with this discussion would be
removed from the list.  THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED!!!  This
discussion just keeps going on and on, and there
doesn't seem to be any end in sight!


and my reply to Evan,
Ah Evan, your ignorance is showing, on this subject!  
God forgives all sinners, who turn from their evil
ways , but he said to the prostitute, "GO AND SIN NO
MORE!"  She did not continue as a prostitute!  If you
are truly sorry, you stop the behavior.  If you really
want to know how God feels about Homosexuality read 1
Corinthians 6:9-20  If you truly are a Christian then
go and read the Bible!  Homosexuals are an abomination
to the Lord, and will be dealt with accordingly! 
Christ-like means that he is perfect and we should
strieve to be perfect, also!  The only homosexuals
that Jesus got close to were those who turned from
their evil deeds and started following the Lord!
   Yes many homosexuals do create children, and in a
genealogy program they should be shown WITH the person
they created the child with and not the gay partner. 
Otherwise, those of you who show gay relationships, do
you also show every persons girlfriend and boyfriend? 
They are the same relationship as a gay person is;
Someone you think you are in love with, but Irrelevent
when dealing with "Gene"ology!  The reason married
spouses are shown is because you are related to the
children of this union, and so their parents are
included because there is a combining of bloodlines.  
  Now, can we stop this discussion!!!

Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



--- Evan Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you are truly a Christian, which I am, and it
> means to be Christlike, you
> would do as Jesus did and reach out to the
> homosexuals and teach them about
> God's true love, instead of preaching against them. 
> Many homosexuals do
> create children, they can have sex with the opposite
> sex
> Besides, you just have not looked hard enough in
> your family.  All families
> have them.
> Reach out and teach God's love is real He loves
> them.  Jesus died for their
> sins as well as yours.
> Or are you hiding in a whale as Jonah did.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Darlene &
> Don Hicks
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:16 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? -
> was Re: [LegacyUG]
> Homosexual Entries
> 
> 
>   I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can.  I could care less about
> family
> history or some odd relationship between two people
> of
> the same sex.  So far, I have not found one
> homosexual relationship in my
> family going back to 1800.  Maybe this is because my
> family is made up of
> Christians,
> and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy. 
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion.  
> 
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> homosexuality, which 
> > are immaterial to how such relationships (which
> exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> > 
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> > 
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much
> more
> > complex with the associated
> > development and maintenance costs and greater
> > learning curve - and a higher
> > price tag!
> > 
> > There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which
> we
> > have already requested and
> > which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side
> is developed.
> > 
> > It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel
> for
> > the direction that the
> > majority of his user community would like to see
> > developed (even if it doesn't
> > follow

RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Eric W. Galloway]

Nothing Joe.  Just no way to officially show Homosexual relationships. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Martin
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

Wayne,

What prevents a Legacy user from utilizing Legacy's current features to
construct a family history including Homosexual relatives?

Joe 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

Joe:

By developing a program for genealogists only, as was
recommended/advocated by Bill Anderson, Millenia would be catering to
the people who have a very restricted view of what should be included -
no adopted children, no gays, etc. These are the people I call the
purists.

However, I believe that most people are inclusive and want to include
everybody -and I mean everybody - in their family. If Millenia continues
to stall about making modifications to include gays, they will lose
these customers and Legacy eventually will become nothing more than a
niche product. This is a poor business strategy.

Personally, I have come to believe Millenia will never make the
necessary modifications. This obstinance has not had much of an impact
on me so I will

continue to use Legacy because it is a very good program. I hope that
doesn't change.

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message -
From: joe Martin
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries


Wayne,

Your example of a Genealogy Program for purists would be what?

Joe

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

If Millenia wants to survive as a company, it must go the Family History
route. A Family History program can be used by everybody, including the
purists; a Genealogy program can only be used by the purists. They would
be foolish to limit their market any way.

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message -
From: Bill Anderson
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries



Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of homosexuality, which
are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist) should be recorded,
there

is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a Family History (FH)
program
or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more complex with the
associated
development and maintenance costs and greater learning curve - and a
higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we have already
requested
and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for the direction that
the
majority of his user community would like to see developed (even if it
doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson





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RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Eric W. Galloway]

I think the point is...none of those things produce children in the same
bloodline so according to Darlene they are pointless and should not be
there. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn
Crowley
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

Legacy can handle these relationships.  It is quite flexible.  For
example:

On the family, pedigree, descendant, or index tab:
right click to add a spouse (even if one is already listed)
right click to view the spouse list, children list, parents list, &
siblings list

On the family tab in the blank area outside the individual's box:
 click to toggle between spouses

On the family tab in the blank spot between a couple's individual boxes:
  click to toggle between the highlighted individual's siblings

On the family tab:
   right click on a child to opt to view 1/2 children
   right click on a child to choose children's settings; then select
adopted, etc from the list or add your own setting
   right click on a child to choose relationship to mother and/or
relationship to father; add your own setting

There are also options to choose which line to show, etc.

Dawn





TH wrote:

> Based on what I have been reading here, am I correct in assuming that 
> step-children, adopted children, and 2 or more marriages, etc. are 
> things that Legacy can't handle? I hope I won't be unsubscribed for 
> asking the question, but I'm beginning to wonder how realistic this 
> program really is.
>  
> Thanks
>
>  
> On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Not a discussion- just a comment.
>
> Any genealogical/family historian program offered to the general
> public
> should not be biased toward or against any one particular culture
or
> religion. Since in some contries and at least one state
> homosexuals can
> legally marry and are thus LEGAL spouses such spouses should be
> able to
> be entered into a program just as any other spouse can be.
>
> Keep religion in your heart, your home, and your church...
> but  keep it
> the hell out of MY public institutions and my genealogy programs.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
> Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 6:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re:
[LegacyUG]
> Homosexual Entries
>
>
>
> I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
> history or some odd relationship between two people of
> the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
> relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
> this is because my family is made up of Christians,
> and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> >
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> > homosexuality, which are
> > immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> >
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> >
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> > complex with the associated
> > development and maintenance costs and greater
> > learning curve - and a higher
> > price tag!
> >
> > There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> > have already requeste

RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[joe Martin]

Wayne,

What prevents a Legacy user from utilizing Legacy's current features to
construct a family history including Homosexual relatives?

Joe 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

Joe:

By developing a program for genealogists only, as was recommended/advocated 
by Bill Anderson, Millenia would be catering to the people who have a very 
restricted view of what should be included - no adopted children, no gays, 
etc. These are the people I call the purists.

However, I believe that most people are inclusive and want to include 
everybody -and I mean everybody - in their family. If Millenia continues to 
stall about making modifications to include gays, they will lose these 
customers and Legacy eventually will become nothing more than a niche 
product. This is a poor business strategy.

Personally, I have come to believe Millenia will never make the necessary 
modifications. This obstinance has not had much of an impact on me so I will

continue to use Legacy because it is a very good program. I hope that 
doesn't change.

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message - 
From: joe Martin
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries


Wayne,

Your example of a Genealogy Program for purists would be what?

Joe

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

If Millenia wants to survive as a company, it must go the Family History
route. A Family History program can be used by everybody, including the
purists; a Genealogy program can only be used by the purists. They would be
foolish to limit their market any way.

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Anderson
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries



Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist) should be recorded, there

is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a Family History (FH) program
or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more complex with the
associated
development and maintenance costs and greater learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we have already requested
and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see developed (even if it
doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson





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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Dawn Crowley]

Legacy can handle these relationships.  It is quite flexible.  For example:

On the family, pedigree, descendant, or index tab:
   right click to add a spouse (even if one is already listed)
   right click to view the spouse list, children list, parents list, & 
siblings list


On the family tab in the blank area outside the individual's box:
click to toggle between spouses

On the family tab in the blank spot between a couple's individual boxes:
 click to toggle between the highlighted individual's siblings

On the family tab:
  right click on a child to opt to view 1/2 children
  right click on a child to choose children's settings; then select 
adopted, etc from the list or add your own setting
  right click on a child to choose relationship to mother and/or 
relationship to father; add your own setting


There are also options to choose which line to show, etc.

Dawn





TH wrote:

Based on what I have been reading here, am I correct in assuming that 
step-children, adopted children, and 2 or more marriages, etc. are 
things that Legacy can't handle? I hope I won't be unsubscribed for 
asking the question, but I'm beginning to wonder how realistic this 
program really is.
 
Thanks


 
On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Not a discussion- just a comment.

Any genealogical/family historian program offered to the general
public
should not be biased toward or against any one particular culture or
religion. Since in some contries and at least one state
homosexuals can
legally marry and are thus LEGAL spouses such spouses should be
able to
be entered into a program just as any other spouse can be.

Keep religion in your heart, your home, and your church...
but  keep it
the hell out of MY public institutions and my genealogy programs.



-Original Message-
From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries



I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
history or some odd relationship between two people of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
this is because my family is made up of Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
They cannot create children and therefore are
irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
together and create their own program.  If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.

Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

>
> Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> homosexuality, which are
> immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> should be recorded, there is
> a more fundamental point raised.
>
> Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> Family History (FH) program or a
> Genealogical (Gen) program?
>
> My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> complex with the associated
> development and maintenance costs and greater
> learning curve - and a higher
> price tag!
>
> There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> have already requested and
> which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> developed.
>
> It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> the direction that the
> majority of his user community would like to see
> developed (even if it doesn't
> follow my line of reasoning!)
>
> What do others think?
>
> Bill Anderson
>
>
>
>
> Legacy User Group guidelines:
>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
> Archived messages:
>
>
http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
> Online technical support:
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
> To unsubscribe:
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
>
  

Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Dawn Crowley]

I'd venture to guess that most current Legacy owners use only a fraction 
of the features available.  Legacy owners are no more obligated to use 
every single feature now, then they will be in the future--regardless of 
the changes to the program. 


Dawn

Darlene & Don Hicks wrote:


snip




If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.  


Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
should be recorded, there is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
Family History (FH) program or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
complex with the associated
development and maintenance costs and greater
learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
have already requested and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see
developed (even if it doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson




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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[TH]

Based on what I have been reading here, am I correct in assuming that
step-children, adopted children, and 2 or more marriages, etc. are things
that Legacy can't handle? I hope I won't be unsubscribed for asking the
question, but I'm beginning to wonder how realistic this program really is.

Thanks


On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not a discussion- just a comment.
>
> Any genealogical/family historian program offered to the general public
> should not be biased toward or against any one particular culture or
> religion. Since in some contries and at least one state homosexuals can
> legally marry and are thus LEGAL spouses such spouses should be able to
> be entered into a program just as any other spouse can be.
>
> Keep religion in your heart, your home, and your church... but  keep it
> the hell out of MY public institutions and my genealogy programs.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 6:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
> Homosexual Entries
>
>
>
> I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
> history or some odd relationship between two people of
> the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
> relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
> this is because my family is made up of Christians,
> and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> > homosexuality, which are
> > immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> >
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> >
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> > complex with the associated
> > development and maintenance costs and greater
> > learning curve - and a higher
> > price tag!
> >
> > There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> > have already requested and
> > which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> > developed.
> >
> > It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> > the direction that the
> > majority of his user community would like to see
> > developed (even if it doesn't
> > follow my line of reasoning!)
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > Bill Anderson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Legacy User Group guidelines:
> >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
> > Archived messages:
> >
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
> > Online technical support:
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
> > To unsubscribe:
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[agh3rd]

Not a discussion- just a comment.

Any genealogical/family historian program offered to the general public 
should not be biased toward or against any one particular culture or 
religion. Since in some contries and at least one state homosexuals can 
legally marry and are thus LEGAL spouses such spouses should be able to 
be entered into a program just as any other spouse can be.


Keep religion in your heart, your home, and your church... but  keep it 
the hell out of MY public institutions and my genealogy programs.




-Original Message-
From: Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries




 I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
history or some odd relationship between two people of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
this is because my family is made up of Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
They cannot create children and therefore are
irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
together and create their own program.  If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.

Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
should be recorded, there is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
Family History (FH) program or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
complex with the associated
development and maintenance costs and greater
learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
have already requested and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see
developed (even if it doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson




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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

What kind of record do you think you could find, going back to 1800,
indicating the sexual preferences of your ancestors?

If you are going to exclude homosexual couples because they don't have
children, you need to exclude childless couples.

I presume this list is moderated?   It is inexcusable for this to be
permitted on a genealogy list.

Sara Binkley Tarpley
Christian, heterosexual wife and mother of 6

On 9/7/07, Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
> history or some odd relationship between two people of
> the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
> relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
> this is because my family is made up of Christians,
> and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> > homosexuality, which are
> > immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> >
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> >
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> > complex with the associated
> > development and maintenance costs and greater
> > learning curve - and a higher
> > price tag!
> >
> > There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> > have already requested and
> > which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> > developed.
> >
> > It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> > the direction that the
> > majority of his user community would like to see
> > developed (even if it doesn't
> > follow my line of reasoning!)
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > Bill Anderson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Legacy User Group guidelines:
> >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
> > Archived messages:
> >
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/
> > Online technical support:
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> > To unsubscribe:
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Wayne Martell]

Joe:

By developing a program for genealogists only, as was recommended/advocated 
by Bill Anderson, Millenia would be catering to the people who have a very 
restricted view of what should be included - no adopted children, no gays, 
etc. These are the people I call the purists.


However, I believe that most people are inclusive and want to include 
everybody -and I mean everybody - in their family. If Millenia continues to 
stall about making modifications to include gays, they will lose these 
customers and Legacy eventually will become nothing more than a niche 
product. This is a poor business strategy.


Personally, I have come to believe Millenia will never make the necessary 
modifications. This obstinance has not had much of an impact on me so I will 
continue to use Legacy because it is a very good program. I hope that 
doesn't change.


___
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- Original Message - 
From: joe Martin

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries



Wayne,

Your example of a Genealogy Program for purists would be what?

Joe

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

If Millenia wants to survive as a company, it must go the Family History
route. A Family History program can be used by everybody, including the
purists; a Genealogy program can only be used by the purists. They would be
foolish to limit their market any way.

___
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- Original Message - 
From: Bill Anderson

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries



Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist) should be recorded, there

is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a Family History (FH) program
or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more complex with the
associated
development and maintenance costs and greater learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we have already requested
and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see developed (even if it
doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson





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Re: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[francis.cottier]

Homosexual relationships are not a factor in geneology but then neither are 
re-marriages, adoptions, orpans, step relationships. 


> 
> From: Dave Hook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2007/09/07 Fri PM 08:46:15 EDT
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy?  -  was Re: [LegacyUG] 
> Homosexual
>  Entries
> 
> 
> >   I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> > back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
> > history or some odd relationship between two people of
> > the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
> > relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
> > this is because my family is made up of Christians,
> > and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> 
> 
> But if you are only interested in your genes/blood line and not your 
> family history, how do you even know that your ancestors were 
> Christians?  If you are only interested in your ancestors' births, 
> marriages & deaths, how can you be so sure about their religious or 
> moral beliefs?
> 
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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Dave Hook]

  I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
history or some odd relationship between two people of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
this is because my family is made up of Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,



But if you are only interested in your genes/blood line and not your 
family history, how do you even know that your ancestors were 
Christians?  If you are only interested in your ancestors' births, 
marriages & deaths, how can you be so sure about their religious or 
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RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Paul A.]

Darlene, 

You are too narrow minded. I may not believe in that type of relationship,
but I am also educated enough to know that those relationships are as old as
marriage itself.  Just because we don't come across written "confessions"
doesn't mean they didn't exist in our genealogies.  

I think Legacy should be a genealogy program.  I think it has gone the
family history route far enough.  There are plenty of notes options for
those wishing to include family history which is what I do.  I think it is
already well enouh balanced.  

Just because Legacy could decide to include same sex unions as an option is
an absolutely ridiculous reason for leaving it and moving down to inferior
software.  Just because they could choose to include it, doesn't mean that I
have to use it.  

I think Legacy is just fine the way it is.  The only other thing is that I
am really looking forward to version 7 to continue my genealogy. It is the
best genealogy software on the market and has a great team of support as
well as a great group of users that are always glad to help the rest of us.
-- 
Paul

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ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
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-Original Message-

  I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
history or some odd relationship between two people of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
this is because my family is made up of Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
friend would not be included in with my genealogy. 
They cannot create children and therefore are
irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
together and create their own program.  If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.  

Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> homosexuality, which are
> immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> should be recorded, there is
> a more fundamental point raised.
> 
> Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> Family History (FH) program or a
> Genealogical (Gen) program?
> 
> My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> complex with the associated
> development and maintenance costs and greater
> learning curve - and a higher
> price tag!
> 
> There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> have already requested and
> which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> developed.
> 
> It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> the direction that the
> majority of his user community would like to see
> developed (even if it doesn't
> follow my line of reasoning!)
> 
> What do others think?
> 
> Bill Anderson
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Darlene & Don Hicks]

  I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
history or some odd relationship between two people of
the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
this is because my family is made up of Christians,
and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
friend would not be included in with my genealogy. 
They cannot create children and therefore are
irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
together and create their own program.  If Legacy
turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
be any discussion.  

Regards,
Darlene
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> homosexuality, which are
> immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> should be recorded, there is
> a more fundamental point raised.
> 
> Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> Family History (FH) program or a
> Genealogical (Gen) program?
> 
> My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> complex with the associated
> development and maintenance costs and greater
> learning curve - and a higher
> price tag!
> 
> There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> have already requested and
> which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> developed.
> 
> It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> the direction that the
> majority of his user community would like to see
> developed (even if it doesn't
> follow my line of reasoning!)
> 
> What do others think?
> 
> Bill Anderson
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[joe Martin]

Wayne,

Your example of a Genealogy Program for purists would be what?

Joe

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne
Martell
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG]
Homosexual Entries

If Millenia wants to survive as a company, it must go the Family History 
route. A Family History program can be used by everybody, including the 
purists; a Genealogy program can only be used by the purists. They would be 
foolish to limit their market any way.

___
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- Original Message - 
From: Bill Anderson
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries



Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist) should be recorded, there

is
a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a Family History (FH) program 
or a
Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more complex with the 
associated
development and maintenance costs and greater learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we have already requested 
and
which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see developed (even if it 
doesn't
follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson





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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Wayne Martell]

If Millenia wants to survive as a company, it must go the Family History 
route. A Family History program can be used by everybody, including the 
purists; a Genealogy program can only be used by the purists. They would be 
foolish to limit their market any way.


___
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Victoria, BC, Canada


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Anderson

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] 
Homosexual Entries




Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of homosexuality, which are
immaterial to how such relationships (which exist) should be recorded, there 
is

a more fundamental point raised.

Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a Family History (FH) program 
or a

Genealogical (Gen) program?

My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more complex with the 
associated

development and maintenance costs and greater learning curve - and a higher
price tag!

There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we have already requested 
and

which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is developed.

It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for the direction that the
majority of his user community would like to see developed (even if it 
doesn't

follow my line of reasoning!)

What do others think?

Bill Anderson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[ronald ferguson]

Good. You should also learn to read guidelines before joining any other 
mailing list.


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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:10:40 EDT
Divorces,Wars,Children born out of wedlock and Homosexuality are in  the
Bible but Homosexuality is the only one that is said to be an abomination 
to  God.

This list is pushing too much for Homosexuality to be added to the program,
so I will be unsubscribing from this list and also deleting Legacy from my
computer and going back to using RootsMagic.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jim Terry]

Let's end this thread right now because a few people seem to be upset by it.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jay S Van Zeeland]

Please everyone, I did not mean to open the Pandora’s box, I was simply
looking for an answer to how to enter the data. I was not looking for a
forum as to whether we should include this data or not, or whether Legacy
should change. I personally believe that this is an excellent program and
have no interest in changing or shooting myself in the foot to go to a
different program simply because this entry was not readily apparent. 

 

I have found the answer that I was looking for. Could we please end this
thread?

 

For those who had their box filled with this becoming a forum on
homosexuality rather than a simple data entry request, I’m sorry!

 

Some programs don’t offer a ready way to show that my ancestor had brown
hair and blue eyes or a 44 inch chest, is that bad? Just because this is not
a check box, does not make things bad, just an obstacle to get around. If
there were no obstacles, there would not be a need to have a forum of this
type. 

 

As the originator of this thread, could I ask that we please end this one
now?

 

Jay

 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

 

In a message dated 9/6/2007 7:58:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Personal feelings about the morality or Homosexuality or other topics should
not impact the feature set of genealogy software.  Legacy has a place to
record divorce although some people feel is it wrong.  It records Wars
although some people feel they are immoral. It lets us record children born
out of wedlock.

 

Genealogy is a recording of history.  Homosexual relationships are a fact of
history and shape families.  That is what genealogy is about.  As such, when
it becomes clear that people need to record those facts, the software should
be expanded to offer that opportunity.  Pretending that facts of family
history didn’t happen because someone’s moral stance wishes it so is not the
way Software feature sets should be determined.

Divorces,Wars,Children born out of wedlock and Homosexuality are in the
Bible but Homosexuality is the only one that is said to be an abomination to
God.

This list is pushing too much for Homosexuality to be added to the program,
so I will be unsubscribing from this list and also deleting Legacy from my
computer and going back to using RootsMagic.

 

Best Regards,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries ATTN: LLOYD

[TH]

Lloyf wasn't starting a thread, he was merely continuing a discussion of a
programmatic change that Legacy ought to make and , in doing so, merely
pointing out that some other items objectionable to others (perhaps
including you) are recognized in the the Legacy program.

TH
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On 9/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  This is *NOT* the forum or place to start a conversation thread such as
> you are trying to start, Lloyd...
>
> Pami
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries ATTN: LLOYD

[TaylorResearch4u]

This is NOT the forum or place to start a conversation  thread such as you 
are trying to start, Lloyd...
 
Pami
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[John Wilson]

I'm not bothered either way as I'm agnostic and it doesn't bother me 
but  I'd rather live next door to a homosexual couple who are honest and 
friendly than a heterosexual couple who are trouble makers any day.  So 
goodbye Lloyd and good riddance.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/6/2007 7:58:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Personal feelings about the morality or Homosexuality or other
topics should not impact the feature set of genealogy software. 
Legacy has a place to record divorce although some people feel is

it wrong.  It records Wars although some people feel they are
immoral. It lets us record children born out of wedlock.

 


Genealogy is a recording of history.  Homosexual relationships are
a fact of history and shape families.  That is what genealogy is
about.  As such, when it becomes clear that people need to record
those facts, the software should be expanded to offer that
opportunity.  Pretending that facts of family history didn’t
happen because someone’s moral stance wishes it so is not the way
Software feature sets should be determined.

Divorces,Wars,Children born out of wedlock and Homosexuality are in 
the Bible but Homosexuality is the only one that is said to be an 
abomination to God.
This list is pushing too much for Homosexuality to be added to the 
program, so I will be unsubscribing from this list and also deleting 
Legacy from my computer and going back to using RootsMagic.
 
Best Regards,


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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Lhite31]

 
 
In a message dated 9/6/2007 7:58:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Personal  feelings about the morality or Homosexuality or other topics should 
not impact  the feature set of genealogy software.  Legacy has a place to 
record  divorce although some people feel is it wrong.  It records Wars 
although  
some people feel they are immoral. It lets us record children born out of  
wedlock. 
Genealogy  is a recording of history.  Homosexual relationships are a fact of 
 history and shape families.  That is what genealogy is about.  As  such, 
when it becomes clear that people need to record those facts, the  software 
should be expanded to offer that opportunity.  Pretending that  facts of family 
history didn’t happen because someone’s moral stance wishes it  so is not the 
way Software feature sets should be  determined.


Divorces,Wars,Children born out of wedlock and Homosexuality are in  the 
Bible but Homosexuality is the only one that is said to be an abomination to  
God.
This list is pushing too much for Homosexuality to be added to the program,  
so I will be unsubscribing from this list and also deleting Legacy from my  
computer and going back to using RootsMagic.
 
Best  Regards,

Lloyd



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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Eric W. Galloway]

Personal feelings about the morality or Homosexuality or other topics
should not impact the feature set of genealogy software.  Legacy has a
place to record divorce although some people feel is it wrong.  It
records Wars although some people feel they are immoral. It lets us
record children born out of wedlock.

 

Genealogy is a recording of history.  Homosexual relationships are a
fact of history and shape families.  That is what genealogy is about.
As such, when it becomes clear that people need to record those facts,
the software should be expanded to offer that opportunity.  Pretending
that facts of family history didn't happen because someone's moral
stance wishes it so is not the way Software feature sets should be
determined.

 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

 

In a message dated 9/5/2007 10:18:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Legacy ought to get with it, as should other genealogy programs,
if we have to trick the system to record the ways things are.

 

TH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Legacy does not need to change, it is the homosexual's that need to
change. 

 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jan Roberts]

You can always generate any reports as RTF and edit the incorrect words,
such as 'daughter of'.

Cheers,
Jan
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 10:28:AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

Hi Jay,

Currently there isn't a way to enter a homosexual relationship 
properly as the structure of the database assumes that all unions are 
male/female.

You can include the partner with the wrong gender and adjust the 
wording in the "marriage" screen to fit. It will look OK in most 
reports that don't stop to report whether a "spouse" is male or 
female. You'll have a problem if you include his parents as he'll be 
reported as "daughter of" so it would be better to include them in 
the Marriage Notes or an Event.
 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Mike Fry]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/5/2007 10:18:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Legacy ought to get with it, as should other genealogy programs, if
we have to trick the system to record the ways things are.
 
TH

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Legacy does not need to change, it is the homosexual's that need to change. 
 
Best Regards,


Lloyd


No Lloyd! It's the religious bigots that have to change! Do learn to 
stay on topic.


Legacy is primarily about keeping a genealogical database. Homosexual 
partnerships, by definition, have nothing to do with genealogy and the 
continuation of bloodlines.


Family History is something else and is applicable to these same-sex 
unions. As we users ask for, and get, more changes, Legacy is slowly 
moving towards becoming a Family History product rather than a more 
restrictive Genealogy product. But, it will take time.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Lhite31]

 
 
In a message dated 9/5/2007 10:18:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Legacy ought to get with it, as should other genealogy programs, if we  have 
to trick the system to record the ways things are.
 
TH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 


Legacy does not need to change, it is the homosexual's that need to  change. 

 
Best  Regards,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[agh3rd]

Exactly- as in one state they ARE legally recognized spouses


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Legacy ought to get with it, as should other genealogy programs, if we 
have to trick the system to record the ways things are.


 

TH
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On 9/5/07, Jay S Van Zeeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you all for the suggestions, I got it to work to my cousin's
satisfaction.

Thanks for the help!

Jay



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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Sherry/Support]

At this time, the way the database is structured, linking same-sex
individuals isn't possible without extensive reprogramming time.  Please go
to http://www.moss-fritch.com/legacy.htm for a work around.  This info was
compiled by one of our users.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

I am also interested in having a way to enter a homosexual partnership.
I want to enter it in a way that demonstrates the partnership.  I would
appreciate Legacy looking into this.  It now a part of many families.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Beverly Walker]

I am also interested in having a way to enter a homosexual partnership.
I want to enter it in a way that demonstrates the partnership.  I would
appreciate Legacy looking into this.  It now a part of many families.

Beverly Walker
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:34 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

Please help, I am not interested in starting a debate on whether we
should
include homosexual "marriages" or not, or the moral discussion as to the
acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, but am interested in finding out
how
others have entered similar data.

I have a close cousin, who is gay and has entered into a "marriage" or
"life
partnership" or any other terminology that you wish to use and would be
hurt
to see that I haven't included this into the family genealogy. This will
be
the end of this line as there is no plan for children, and "accidents"
seldom happen in gay relationships. I just wish to enter the two as
being
together.

Can anyone tell me if there is a proper way to enter this information?
Do we
just trick the software into thinking that it is a M-F relationship and
then
in the general notes state that is it a homosexual relationship? This
aspect
of life has become an identifying trait in those within this community
and
will give more information about the person rather than Birth and Death
dates.

Thanks!

Jay Van Zeeland

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

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Legacy ought to get with it, as should other genealogy programs, if we have
to trick the system to record the ways things are.

TH
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RE: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Jay S Van Zeeland]

Thank you all for the suggestions, I got it to work to my cousin's
satisfaction.

Thanks for the help!

Jay

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Lucy Shore]

Hi to both

I don't have an answer for you, but as the grandmother of a trensgendered 
child (11 years old) I'm impressed by your concern and sensitivity. 
Hopefully the Legacy programmers will see fit to provide for these 
situations.



I have the same issue.  My  suggestion is to create a unique event where 
you
give the date and explain the  facts.  I wouldn't use the marriage screen 
as
the partner would then  erroneously show as a legally-recognized spouse. 
It
isn't a perfect  solution, but if you explain the software limitations to 
the
persons involved,  I'm sure they would understand and appreciate your 
efforts to

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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[JRAYMOND651]

Jay,
I have the same issue.  My  suggestion is to create a unique event where you 
give the date and explain the  facts.  I wouldn't use the marriage screen as 
the partner would then  erroneously show as a legally-recognized spouse.  It 
isn't a perfect  solution, but if you explain the software limitations to the 
persons involved,  I'm sure they would understand and appreciate your efforts 
to 
include the  relationship in the family data.

Jon Raymond
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Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Cathy]

Hi Jay,

Currently there isn't a way to enter a homosexual relationship 
properly as the structure of the database assumes that all unions are 
male/female.


You can include the partner with the wrong gender and adjust the 
wording in the "marriage" screen to fit. It will look OK in most 
reports that don't stop to report whether a "spouse" is male or 
female. You'll have a problem if you include his parents as he'll be 
reported as "daughter of" so it would be better to include them in 
the Marriage Notes or an Event.


I think there is another way to semi trick the program but I don't 
know that it makes any difference to reports.


Cathy

At 07:33 AM 6/09/2007, you wrote:


Please help, I am not interested in starting a debate on whether we should
include homosexual "marriages" or not, or the moral discussion as to the
acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, but am interested in finding out how
others have entered similar data.

I have a close cousin, who is gay and has entered into a "marriage" or "life
partnership" or any other terminology that you wish to use and would be hurt
to see that I haven't included this into the family genealogy. This will be
the end of this line as there is no plan for children, and "accidents"
seldom happen in gay relationships. I just wish to enter the two as being
together.

Can anyone tell me if there is a proper way to enter this information? Do we
just trick the software into thinking that it is a M-F relationship and then
in the general notes state that is it a homosexual relationship? This aspect
of life has become an identifying trait in those within this community and
will give more information about the person rather than Birth and Death
dates.

Thanks!

Jay Van Zeeland





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