Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Mike Fry wrote I have always thought that the present Events mechanism is too much of a "one size fits all" model that doesn't apply to all events. Very true. It's fine for a census, for example, because they generally only happen at regular intervals and on an identifiable date. Residence and Occupation on the other hand, although often gleaned from a census, don't fit neatly with this model. To me they are Facts that are not necessarily associated with a single date: they usually occurred over a period of time. My problem is that I tend to stick rigidly to "rules" and "a place for everything, everything in it's place" so if there are fields there I have a compulsion to use them! Trying to fit all my facts and events into the Legacy format, I have made great use of the ability to re-write the sentences, of Sentence Override and even creating new Events. Trying to enter a lot of Military information in the last few days has really set me thinking about this. I had such a variety of information sometimes with no dates, sometimes with a particular date, sometimes with "from ...to" dates and was finding it impossible to enter without writing a new sentence every time nearly. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that it might be best to more or less abandon the format offered by Legacy and rely almost completely on the Notes field. As you say, the format is fine for Censuses, and I use all the fields with a customised Sentence and have recently changed to a more narrative (that than listed) style in the Notes. Now I think I might try entering most Events/Facts using my own Sentence involving only EventName, Date and Notes or just EventName and Notes with all the information as a narrative. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Debbie, I've noticed one potential problem with your solution, namely, that you don't necessarily know that the person concerned was in that particular occupation for all the time between those two dates, s/he may have moved jobs a bit, may have been unemployed for some of the time, Etc. So, this doesn't necessarily create a correct picture of the person's occupation history. For example, as I mentioned earlier, my g-grandfather was a policeman, and I know some of the dates when and where he served, but I don't *KNOW* that he was a policeman between those dates (he most likely was, but I can't be 100%sure). If, however I just entered the first and last dates I have for when he was a policeman, someone else reading may assume he was a policeman at all the time during those dates, and may therefore rule out some other occupation he had during that time, thinking it couldn't be him. Does that make sense? Regards, Dermot. On 06/03/2008, Debbie Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jenny, > > You can/need to use "31 March 1851 - 4 April 1853" in place of "31 March > 1851 and 4 April 1853". > > Problem should be solved. > > Then use your sources to source the occupation and dates > -- Try out Legacy Family Tree today! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Jenny M Benson wrote: In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy didn't like this. In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. I presume this is not possible? (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) Lots of ways to crack this one :-) Remember: You are *not* limited or restricted to what the Legacy defaults provide. One way of achieving this would be to change the default Occupation Event definition: View->Master Lists->Event Definition then select the "Occupation" event and press the 'Edit...' button. You can then tailor the way data is displayed and printed for the Occupations of everyone. A second way would be to create a new, personal version of the Occupation Event. Alternatively, use the Sentence Override for a specific instance of the Occupation Event, or, Edit the Event Sentence Definition for the one instance. These are all variations of the same idea, in which you define how you want your event information to appear. The first and second ways have the added advantage in that your event need not have obscure dating requirements. I have always thought that the present Events mechanism is too much of a "one size fits all" model that doesn't apply to all events. It's fine for a census, for example, because they generally only happen at regular intervals and on an identifiable date. Residence and Occupation on the other hand, although often gleaned from a census, don't fit neatly with this model. To me they are Facts that are not necessarily associated with a single date: they usually occurred over a period of time. Given the time (and inclination), I would like to work out how I could, for example, set up one Occupation event for each, separate job that an ancestor had, and use the sources to identify when the ancestor was doing that job. For the bulk of my 19th century aglabs, this would be just one event, with multiple sources. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
That's what I do for a lot of Occupation information particularly. I guess the only real problem is if I later find and earlier instance of an occupation - but in that case I just change the date and the subsequent notes. I put the date of the earliest known instance of an occupation in the sentence definition. Then in the Notes I add all other instances - sometimes noting a change of occupation as well. This works for me because I choose to print reports as Narratives with dot point sentences. Just means that some dot points are quite lengthy. But reads nicely in the final report. Cheers, Jan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 12:02:PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates But the OP didn't want to suggest the time between the dates but both date points. In one event, I think the only way to do it is to put one date in the notes. Cathy At 12:34 AM 7/03/2008, you wrote: >Jenny, > >You can/need to use "31 March 1851 - 4 April 1853" in place of "31 March >1851 and 4 April 1853". > >Problem should be solved. > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: 6.03.2008 6:58:PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
But the OP didn't want to suggest the time between the dates but both date points. In one event, I think the only way to do it is to put one date in the notes. Cathy At 12:34 AM 7/03/2008, you wrote: Jenny, You can/need to use "31 March 1851 - 4 April 1853" in place of "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853". Problem should be solved. Then use your sources to source the occupation and dates "birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries." Good Luck Debbie Freeman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy didn't like this. In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. I presume this is not possible? (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Count your blessings, ladies. I must have entered "farmer" more than a million times. It's a big thrill for me to enter the occasional teacher, preacher, or carpenter! Janis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Knowles Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:36 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates I would add two, because it you were to find another occupation between the two dates later on, and you add that in as a new one, then it will just slot between them. I've added loads for one of my grandfathers, many the same. The number of times I have typed "Sewing Machine Needle Straightner", and what an interesting job it sounded ! Jeremy > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny > M Benson > Sent: 06 March 2008 10:51 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates > > In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an > Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy > didn't like this. > > In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both > of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he > was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was > so > described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. > > I presume this is not possible? > > (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a > Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Debbie Freeman wrote You can/need to use "31 March 1851 - 4 April 1853" in place of "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853". But that means "from 31 March 1851 to 4 April 1853" which is a very different thing to "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853.". -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Jenny, You can/need to use "31 March 1851 - 4 April 1853" in place of "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853". Problem should be solved. Then use your sources to source the occupation and dates "birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries." Good Luck Debbie Freeman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:51 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy didn't like this. In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. I presume this is not possible? (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
I would add two, because it you were to find another occupation between the two dates later on, and you add that in as a new one, then it will just slot between them. I've added loads for one of my grandfathers, many the same. The number of times I have typed "Sewing Machine Needle Straightner", and what an interesting job it sounded ! Jeremy > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny > M Benson > Sent: 06 March 2008 10:51 > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com > Subject: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates > > In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an > Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy > didn't like this. > > In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both > of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he > was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was > so > described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. > > I presume this is not possible? > > (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a > Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) > -- > Jenny M Benson > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
I have had this with one of my ggg uncles being the county tax assessors in some years but not in others. He was also the sheriff of the county 2 different times). I make each one a different occupation event. However, that is what you are trying to avoid so that isn't very helpful is it? :) michele - Original Message - From: "Jenny M Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy didn't like this. In this case, I had the birth certificates of a man's 2 children, both of which gave his occupation as "Labourer". There is no proof that he was a Labourer from 1851 to 1853, so I wanted to indicate that he was so described on 2 occasions, rather than make 2 separate Event entries. I presume this is not possible? (Incidentally, this chap was first an Apprentice Carpenter, later a Policeman, then a Labourer, then a Carter, then a Porter!) -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] One Event - 2 Dates
Jenny, I don't *think* what you want is possible in the way you describe. Here's what I've done. My great-grandfather was a policeman with the Royal Irish Constabulary. I have some citations he received and details of where he served, so I've just created 4 separate "Occupation" events for him, filling in as follows: Description "Policeman with the Royal Irish Constabulary" Date "8 Aug 1882" Place "Sligo, County Sligo, Ireland" and adding the notes and sources, Etc., in the usual way. I have then created this event again with the same details, but changed the date to whatever date was on the citation. It turn out that he then has 4 events called occupation, which appear one after the other on reports, Etc. Hope this helps. Regards, Dermot. On 06/03/2008, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In order to save repetition, I wanted to put some information in as an > Event, but with 2 dates - "31 March 1851 and 4 April 1853", but Legacy > didn't like this. > > I presume this is not possible? -- Try out Legacy Family Tree today! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
