Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Mike, there are probably various ways to do this depending on the situation. However, I would: 1. put in initially her under the Steinway family and note the adoption at the bottom of the screen where you enter her personal info. I would use that name as if it were the maiden name due to the amount of time it would have been used by her. 2. add in the biological parents kind of like you would if a divorce and remarriage took place. 3. I would add her Cassebeer as an alias, not change it under her biological parents. Depending on when she was adopted, she may never have used that name except on adoption papers. God bless, Ellen Kramer On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:23 PM, michael barberi wrote: I have an ancestor with the surname CASSEBEER. However she was adopted by a STEINWAY family as a child. I recorded her surname as Cassebeer. Some questions: 1. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER followed by a parenthesis (Steinway)? 2. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER but create and Event/Fact describing her adoption and new surname STEINWAY? If so, any tree charts will not show her name as STEINWAY. 3. He marriage record says that a STEINWAY (not a CASSEBEER) got married. Do I include notes about her adoption in the Event/Fact MARRIAGE, etc. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Jim: Thank you. Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Jim Stapleton jima...@surewest.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:26:28 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Message Mike: I have a similiar situation with 3 of my daughters children. What I did was to list them first under my daughter and her husband using thier married last name. Then using the parent icon (4th from the right on the childs screen) I clicked on Add New Parents. Here you can enter information about the biological parents. This is the same screen where you indicate the relationship of the child to both her adopted and biological parents. I also have her given name (that given by her biological parents) listed under the AKA icon since her adopted name (first last) is different. A Descendant Report shows the childs name and her AKA. It does not indicate biological parents, but I could be missing something. Hope this helps Jim Stapleton -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of michael barberi Sent: August 30, 2009 6:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption I have an ancestor with the surname CASSEBEER. However she was adopted by a STEINWAY family as a child. I recorded her surname as Cassebeer. Some questions: 1. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER followed by a parenthesis (Steinway)? 2. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER but create and Event/Fact describing her adoption and new surname STEINWAY? If so, any tree charts will not show her name as STEINWAY. 3. He marriage record says that a STEINWAY (not a CASSEBEER) got married. Do I include notes about her adoption in the Event/Fact MARRIAGE, etc. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 08/30/09 06:36:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Many ways to do this. Personally my preference is to pick the first adoptive family (in case there were more than one adoption), and use the surname of the adopted family. If / when I discover the birth surname, I add it to notes. As his / her name changes with adoptions, I so note it. Sometimes they didn't change, the person kept the surname of his / her earlier adopted parents. Someone else surely will chime in with their idea, but my suggestion is to decide what is most useful for *you* and pick that. Stick with it to be consistent. Robert At 2009-08-30 08:23 PM, you wrote: I have an ancestor with the surname CASSEBEER. However she was adopted by a STEINWAY family as a child. I recorded her surname as Cassebeer. Some questions: 1. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER followed by a parenthesis (Steinway)? 2. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER but create and Event/Fact describing her adoption and new surname STEINWAY? If so, any tree charts will not show her name as STEINWAY. 3. He marriage record says that a STEINWAY (not a CASSEBEER) got married. Do I include notes about her adoption in the Event/Fact MARRIAGE, etc. Mike Barberi Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Mike: I have a similiar situation with 3 of my daughters children. What I did was to list them first under my daughter and her husband using thier married last name. Then using the parent icon (4th from the right on the childs screen) I clicked on Add New Parents. Here you can enter information about the biological parents. This is the same screen where you indicate the relationship of the child to both her adopted and biological parents. I also have her given name (that given by her biological parents) listed under the AKA icon since her adopted name (first last) is different. A Descendant Report shows the childs name and her AKA. It does not indicate biological parents, but I could be missing something. Hope this helps Jim Stapleton -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of michael barberi Sent: August 30, 2009 6:23 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption I have an ancestor with the surname CASSEBEER. However she was adopted by a STEINWAY family as a child. I recorded her surname as Cassebeer. Some questions: 1. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER followed by a parenthesis (Steinway)? 2. Do I record her surname as CASSEBEER but create and Event/Fact describing her adoption and new surname STEINWAY? If so, any tree charts will not show her name as STEINWAY. 3. He marriage record says that a STEINWAY (not a CASSEBEER) got married. Do I include notes about her adoption in the Event/Fact MARRIAGE, etc. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 08/30/09 06:36:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
An upgrade from one version to another is a whole different animal and risk level than an incremental build update of an existing installed version. I will not call you chicken however. VBG Gary - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Gary: Sounds very sensible, but I waited two months before upgrading to 7.0 and then suffered through endless months of headaches with a totally useless (to me) program because of the source citation bugs and inability to produce any satisfactory reports. I'm not chancing that again. Call me chicken G. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question However, it was released July 17 and in three weeks there have not been reports on this list of major new problems so I would not call it premature to update now. When there are a lot of users it usually doesn't take long for big issues to raise their head so after a week or two you should feel pretty confident. Besides, these updates typically contain both new features AND important bug fixes, so the benefits almost always outweigh the risks. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Sorry, Ron, but I've been snookered into premature updates before. Once burned, twice shy. Checks are in place as you recommended. Thanks. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:20 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Kirsten, Although not relevant to your problem I would suggest that you update to 7.0.0.100. On Descendant Book ReportReport OptionsInclude, ensure that child status and Child-parent relationship are checked. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Kirsten, Although not relevant to your problem I would suggest that you update to 7.0.0.100. On Descendant Book ReportReport OptionsInclude, ensure that child status and Child-parent relationship are checked. Ron Ferguson _ Tutorials: Programme of adding videos commenced http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:03:53 -0700 Using Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. Neither Help nor Customize give any clues, so . . . I have a child with known birth parents (the Browns) and known adoptive parents (the Petries). There may be a relationship between the two couples, but that is currently unknown. I've entered the child (Hannah Brown) as a daughter of both sets of parents and noted her Child Status as Adopted by the Petries. The only place I see any indication of the adoption is on the Assigned Sources screen for Hannah and on the panel next to the Name List (buried under the Family tab). There's nothing I can see that appears on Hannah's Individual Information screen to indicate she had two sets of parents, and nothing prints in Descendant Book Reports for either set of parents regarding the adoptive situation. Is there a flag, icon, or a setting somewhere that I'm not seeing? I don't want to lose track of this situation and would like to see it noted somehow in the Descendant Book Report. Is that possible? Kirsten _ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
On Hannah's Individual Information Screen, add the Event - Adoption. Enter the information you have regarding the adoption. The indication that she has two sets of parents is on the Family View Screen. Under her information on that screen, there are icons, one of which is Parents (a couple with white hair). If you have entered her as a child of both sets of parents, there will be a box to the lower left of the Parents icon that will have a 2 in it. When you click on the Parents icon, she will have two sets of parents shown. There are boxes at the bottom of that Parents Screen: Child Status, Relationship to Father, and Relationship to Mother. For each highlighted set of parents, enter the appropriate from the drop-down list. In the Descendant Book Report for any one of the 4 parents, she will show. At her generation level, the Event of her adoption will also show. You should also experiment with the Report OptionsInclude Tab for the report, on which there are options to include Child Status and/or Child-parent relationships. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Using Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. Neither Help nor Customize give any clues, so . . I have a child with known birth parents (the Browns) and known adoptive parents (the Petries). There may be a relationship between the two couples, but that is currently unknown. I've entered the child (Hannah Brown) as a daughter of both sets of parents and noted her Child Status as Adopted by the Petries. The only place I see any indication of the adoption is on the Assigned Sources screen for Hannah and on the panel next to the Name List (buried under the Family tab). There's nothing I can see that appears on Hannah's Individual Information screen to indicate she had two sets of parents, and nothing prints in Descendant Book Reports for either set of parents regarding the adoptive situation. Is there a flag, icon, or a setting somewhere that I'm not seeing? I don't want to lose track of this situation and would like to see it noted somehow in the Descendant Book Report. Is that possible? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2286 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
CE: Thanks for the very thorough instructions. The problem was that for some reason I didn't have the Parents icon on the toolbar. It works a treat and provides the perfect flag for the situation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of CE Wood Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:33 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question On Hannah's Individual Information Screen, add the Event - Adoption. Enter the information you have regarding the adoption. The indication that she has two sets of parents is on the Family View Screen. Under her information on that screen, there are icons, one of which is Parents (a couple with white hair). If you have entered her as a child of both sets of parents, there will be a box to the lower left of the Parents icon that will have a 2 in it. When you click on the Parents icon, she will have two sets of parents shown. There are boxes at the bottom of that Parents Screen: Child Status, Relationship to Father, and Relationship to Mother. For each highlighted set of parents, enter the appropriate from the drop-down list. In the Descendant Book Report for any one of the 4 parents, she will show. At her generation level, the Event of her adoption will also show. You should also experiment with the Report OptionsInclude Tab for the report, on which there are options to include Child Status and/or Child-parent relationships. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Kirsten Bowman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Using Legacy Deluxe 7.0.0.9. Neither Help nor Customize give any clues, so . . I have a child with known birth parents (the Browns) and known adoptive parents (the Petries). There may be a relationship between the two couples, but that is currently unknown. I've entered the child (Hannah Brown) as a daughter of both sets of parents and noted her Child Status as Adopted by the Petries. The only place I see any indication of the adoption is on the Assigned Sources screen for Hannah and on the panel next to the Name List (buried under the Family tab). There's nothing I can see that appears on Hannah's Individual Information screen to indicate she had two sets of parents, and nothing prints in Descendant Book Reports for either set of parents regarding the adoptive situation. Is there a flag, icon, or a setting somewhere that I'm not seeing? I don't want to lose track of this situation and would like to see it noted somehow in the Descendant Book Report. Is that possible? Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Gary: Sounds very sensible, but I waited two months before upgrading to 7.0 and then suffered through endless months of headaches with a totally useless (to me) program because of the source citation bugs and inability to produce any satisfactory reports. I'm not chancing that again. Call me chicken G. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question However, it was released July 17 and in three weeks there have not been reports on this list of major new problems so I would not call it premature to update now. When there are a lot of users it usually doesn't take long for big issues to raise their head so after a week or two you should feel pretty confident. Besides, these updates typically contain both new features AND important bug fixes, so the benefits almost always outweigh the risks. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Sorry, Ron, but I've been snookered into premature updates before. Once burned, twice shy. Checks are in place as you recommended. Thanks. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:20 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Kirsten, Although not relevant to your problem I would suggest that you update to 7.0.0.100. On Descendant Book ReportReport OptionsInclude, ensure that child status and Child-parent relationship are checked. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] adoption by step father
Dawn, You do not say where you are seeing a duplicate child. It may be correct, because in some reports the child has to be shown twice as s/he has two names and two sets of parents. This is true for all genealogy software. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:36:11 -0800 From: sc...@relatively-speaking.org To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] adoption by step father No need to add the child multiple times. Just right click on the child and link to another set of parents. You can list the additional surname as an AKA. Add notes to explain the surname change. Kathy Miller wrote: When there is a child by a previous marriage (known or unknown name) of a wife and the step father (wife's 2nd husband) adopts the child thus changing the child's last name how is this entered so the new last name is shown and the child is listed under the 2nd husband? I keep getting duplicate children - obviously I'm doing something wrong. Kathy in McKinney, TX Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Hotmail, Messenger, Photos and more - all with the new Windows Live. Get started! http://www.download.live.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] adoption by step father
No need to add the child multiple times. Just right click on the child and link to another set of parents. You can list the additional surname as an AKA. Add notes to explain the surname change. Kathy Miller wrote: When there is a child by a previous marriage (known or unknown name) of a wife and the step father (wife's 2nd husband) adopts the child thus changing the child's last name how is this entered so the new last name is shown and the child is listed under the 2nd husband? I keep getting duplicate children - obviously I'm doing something wrong. Kathy in McKinney, TX Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1660 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 6:39 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption and name change?
Kathy, I don't see a response to this query, so I'll post my 2c worth. I would enter his details with his adoptive father's surname, and give him an AKA of his birth name, and detail exactly what you've done in the notes. Off the top of my head, without examining the records, I can think of 4 1st cousins of mine, 1 1st cousin of my wife's, and my wife's half-brother who all fall into this category, and this is what I've done. Regards, Dermot. 2009/1/6 Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com I have a child who was adopted so I used the adoption event for him. I would like to see his name shown as the NEW surname from his adopted father but with something to show his birth name. What is the best way to handle that? Also, should I just make up my own event for the adoption for the father as the adopted parent or just modify the current adoption event? Thanks for any help! Kathy -- Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 Timothy Leary - Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption and name change?
Thanks, Dermot! I appreciate the answer to my question. Yours is a good way to handle it. So, I think that's how I'll do it, too. Kathy On Jan 9, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Dermot McGlone wrote: Kathy, I don't see a response to this query, so I'll post my 2c worth. I would enter his details with his adoptive father's surname, and give him an AKA of his birth name, and detail exactly what you've done in the notes. Off the top of my head, without examining the records, I can think of 4 1st cousins of mine, 1 1st cousin of my wife's, and my wife's half-brother who all fall into this category, and this is what I've done. Regards, Dermot. 2009/1/6 Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com I have a child who was adopted so I used the adoption event for him. I would like to see his name shown as the NEW surname from his adopted father but with something to show his birth name. What is the best way to handle that? Also, should I just make up my own event for the adoption for the father as the adopted parent or just modify the current adoption event? Thanks for any help! Kathy -- Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 Timothy Leary - Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
Kathy, has anyone mentioned that if you have more than one spouse, the spouses will appear in the order that you put them into your file, regardless of chronological order? The spouses will display differently though, if you set a preferred relationship - usually defaults to the first relationship. eg sounds like you have = Wife + Husband 2* then Husband 1 (* is the preferred relationship that displays in Family View) Displays/Prints as Husband 2* and children, then Husband 1 and children I'm my husband's second wife, so in my file his 1st wife is listed before me, but my name and marriage is the one I prefer to see in Family View. In any reports I print with my husband's line, I'm listed in chronological order - 2nd. Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
That is at the time the multiple marriages are first entered. When finished you can go to the icon that shows the quantity of marriages (bottom left corner of either the husband or wife) then you can move them into the 'correct' order. Rich in LA CA --- Tracy Skegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathy, has anyone mentioned that if you have more than one spouse, the spouses will appear in the order that you put them into your file, regardless of chronological order? The spouses will display differently though, if you set a preferred relationship - usually defaults to the first relationship. eg sounds like you have = Wife + Husband 2* then Husband 1 (* is the preferred relationship that displays in Family View) Displays/Prints as Husband 2* and children, then Husband 1 and children I'm my husband's second wife, so in my file his 1st wife is listed before me, but my name and marriage is the one I prefer to see in Family View. In any reports I print with my husband's line, I'm listed in chronological order - 2nd. Cheers Tracy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
Thanks for the reply. I've made some progress. For the child that was adopted by my aunt/uncle I've added an Adoption Event just saying that he was adopted as an infant. I've also used the Children's settings and set his status to Adopted. That does show up in some reports, but not in charts - not a great problem. For the child adopted by my cousin's husband after their marriage I've tried a number of permutations. I still can't get him listed under their marriage in the correct order. If I 'right click' on him from the screen with his mother and stepfather, only his half brother shows in the list. I cannot rearrange the order and I cannot find a way to show that he was adopted by his stepfather and is a biological son of his mother from that screen. If I give him two sets of parents I can set up the info showing the adoptive relationship but in reports my cousin is then listed as marrying her husband twice. I guess reports will just have to be manually edited either way. I'm open to other comments and suggestions. Kathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I'm not sure I'm understanding about your cousin's husband issue. It sounds like you have linked him to the couple (cousin/counsin's husband) but he does not show up as a child on the screen? Or he does show up there but not when you right click and select Children's settings Neither make sense to me. Am I missing something? On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Kathy Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the reply. I've made some progress. For the child that was adopted by my aunt/uncle I've added an Adoption Event just saying that he was adopted as an infant. I've also used the Children's settings and set his status to Adopted. That does show up in some reports, but not in charts – not a great problem. For the child adopted by my cousin's husband after their marriage I've tried a number of permutations. I still can't get him listed under their marriage in the correct order. If I 'right click' on him from the screen with his mother and stepfather, only his half brother shows in the list. I cannot rearrange the order and I cannot find a way to show that he was adopted by his stepfather and is a biological son of his mother from that screen. If I give him two sets of parents I can set up the info showing the adoptive relationship but in reports my cousin is then listed as marrying her husband twice. I guess reports will just have to be manually edited either way.I'm open to other comments and suggestions. Kathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
On the screen with parents - cousin's hubby and cousin he is there as 1/2 . If I attempt to access chiidren's settings from that screen by clicking on the elder child who is a step child I end up at their younger bio child's record instead. I can only reach child settings for the first child from the screen with his bio father as far as I can tell. If I give the child two sets of parents - bio/mother and father - bio/mother and stepfather I can get a descendant report that includes most of what I want but also has too much duplication. Like this: Janet had a relationship with Y [4011] [MRIN: 1367]. This couple did not marry. x was born in Canada. Their child was: 2 M i. Nicholas BBB[307] was born ... Canada.(1). (Relationship to Father: Biological, Relationship to Mother: Biological) Janet married James BB[306] [MRIN: 1372]. James was born .1) The child from this marriage was: 3 M i. Nicholas B [307] was born ..., Canada.(1). (Relationship to Father: Adopted, Relationship to Mother: Biological) Janet next married James BB[306] [MRIN: 88] 1 James was born 1) The child from this marriage was: 4 M i. Michael B[308] was born Michael married (1) [MRIN: 89]. Second Generation (Children) 2. Nicholas B [307] was born , Canada.(1). Noted events in his life were: Nick works as a. Jim B adopted Nick after Janet and Jim married in 1970. 3. Nicholas B [307] was born ..(1). Noted events in his life were: Nick works as a . Jim B adopted Nick after Janet and Jim married 4. Michael BB [308] was born .. Canada.(1). Noted events in his life were: Michael graduated with both ...). Michael married .. If I was just working with a few people, going back and editing wouldn't be hard. Problem is that with more than 4,000 people in my file if I do this for this and several other similar cases I fear that there will be more editing than I'd like. I'm less concerned with distant relations but these are a first cousin's family. Maybe I'll just have to edit. Kathy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Jones Sent: August-11-08 2:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges I'm not sure I'm understanding about your cousin's husband issue. It sounds like you have linked him to the couple (cousin/counsin's husband) but he does not show up as a child on the screen? Or he does show up there but not when you right click and select Children's settings Neither make sense to me. Am I missing something? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
Kathy, It does help if you actually say which report. That looks like the Descendant Book Report. You need to go to Report OptionsFormat and check the box on the top left Do not repeat duplicate lines. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:49:22 -0400 On the screen with parents - cousin's hubby and cousin he is there as 1/2 . If I attempt to access chiidren's settings from that screen by clicking on the elder child who is a step child I end up at their younger bio child's record instead. I can only reach child settings for the first child from the screen with his bio father as far as I can tell. If I give the child two sets of parents - bio/mother and father - bio/mother and stepfather I can get a descendant report that includes most of what I want but also has too much duplication. Like this: Janet had a relationship with Y [4011] [MRIN: 1367]. This couple did not marry. x was born in Canada. Their child was: 2 M i. Nicholas BBB[307] was born ... Canada.(1). (Relationship to Father: Biological, Relationship to Mother: Biological) Janet married James BB[306] [MRIN: 1372]. James was born .1) The child from this marriage was: 3 M i. Nicholas B [307] was born ..., Canada.(1). (Relationship to Father: Adopted, Relationship to Mother: Biological) Janet next married James BB[306] [MRIN: 88] 1 James was born 1) The child from this marriage was: 4 M i. Michael B[308] was born Michael married (1) [MRIN: 89]. Second Generation (Children) 2. Nicholas B [307] was born , Canada.(1). Noted events in his life were: Nick works as a. Jim B adopted Nick after Janet and Jim married in 1970. 3. Nicholas B [307] was born ..(1). Noted events in his life were: Nick works as a . Jim B adopted Nick after Janet and Jim married 4. Michael BB [308] was born .. Canada.(1). Noted events in his life were: Michael graduated with both ...). Michael married .. If I was just working with a few people, going back and editing wouldn't be hard. Problem is that with more than 4,000 people in my file if I do this for this and several other similar cases I fear that there will be more editing than I'd like. I'm less concerned with distant relations but these are a first cousin's family. Maybe I'll just have to edit. Kathy -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Jones Sent: August-11-08 2:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges I'm not sure I'm understanding about your cousin's husband issue. It sounds like you have linked him to the couple (cousin/counsin's husband) but he does not show up as a child on the screen? Or he does show up there but not when you right click and select Children's settings Neither make sense to me. Am I missing something? _ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571440/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:34:01 -0400, Kathy Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cousin had a child out of wedlock. I entered her, her son and the child's biological father. She then married and her husband adopted the son and the son took on the stepfather's name. They then had a son of their own. I'm having trouble representing this on Legacy and would appreciate suggestions. The fact that there is an adoption doesn't show up on a descendant chart or reports Is this changeable? The mother's brother is also adopted. I've tried several ways of linking the people. If I give the adopted son two sets of parents the married couple and the first son's father suddenly end up with 3 children each for some reason. Currently I have the mother with a relationship and a marriage but they are in the wrong date order. When I look at the screen for the married couple there are two children but the younger child is listed first and if I try to change it using children's settings, only their biological child is listed. Am I doing something wrong? Try turning off Show 1/2 Kids. That setting makes things very confusing. -- Dennis Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Emails not of Content-Type: text/plain are deleted before ever reaching my inbox. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
Sorry - yes it was a Descendant Book report. The Do not repeat duplicate lines had been checked, however. What I sent was what I get with two sets of parents linked to the child. If I just have the bio set linked I don't get the duplication -- but also don't get as much information. I just deleted the second set of parents and managed to delete my cousin's husbandmutter, mutter ... could have been worse I guess. I'll use the Adoption event to pass on the info that his stepfather adopted him. Kathy -- Kathy, It does help if you actually say which report. That looks like the Descendant Book Report. You need to go to Report OptionsFormat and check the box on the top left Do not repeat duplicate lines. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption challenges
Note that there is a difference between what is on the screen and what is printed. The screen will show ALL children that are linked to EITHER (or both) parents. Make sure you have the Show 1/2 kids setting selected. You do this by Right clicking on any child and selecting View, and make sure Show 1/2 kids is selected (check mark in front). When this is done, the family view will prefix a 1/2 in front of any child who is linked to just 1 of the 2 parents. Children who are linked to both of these parents will not have the 1/2 in front. Note that any child with the 1/2 in front will NOT appear on the reports for that couple. If a child is linked to two different couples, that child will appear twice, once (without the 1/2) for the current couple and once (with the 1/2) for the other couple. This may explain why there are 3 children for each couple. When I have a situation with multiple children from different relationships. I first decide how I want the reports to look. If I want the step children to appear with the non-biological parent, I link that child to that couple, usually (but not always) in addition to linking the child to the biological couple. Then I can select the Relationship to Father and Relationship to Mother in the Child Settings (right click on the child). This is where I put Adopted and/or Biological. On the Family Group Sheet, I make sure Child - Parent Relationships on the Include tab is set to be included (the default is for it NOT to to be included). Unfortunately, I don't think this option is available on the Descendant reports. On the other hand, if I DON'T want the child to appear with the adopted parent, I link the child ONLY to the biological couple (and ignore the 1/2 listing on the screen as it will not be on the reports). I hope this makes sense and if I am incorrect that someone will explain it better. Bruce On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Kathy Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A cousin had a child out of wedlock. I entered her, her son and the child's biological father. She then married and her husband adopted the son and the son took on the stepfather's name. They then had a son of their own. I'm having trouble representing this on Legacy and would appreciate suggestions. The fact that there is an adoption doesn't show up on a descendant chart or reports Is this changeable? The mother's brother is also adopted. I've tried several ways of linking the people. If I give the adopted son two sets of parents the married couple and the first son's father suddenly end up with 3 children each for some reason. Currently I have the mother with a relationship and a marriage but they are in the wrong date order. When I look at the screen for the married couple there are two children but the younger child is listed first and if I try to change it using children's settings, only their biological child is listed. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks Kathy, Ottawa, Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I do not know what aded poll is, don't need to, but you should describe what it is in your explanation of the name change. Must be an Aussie thing. ;-) Rich in LA CA --- Jan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a two-names-required situation (because of deed poll, not adoption). My late first husband changed his name by deed poll before we met. So I have only known him by his 'chosen' name (which happened to be his mother's maiden name) and our daughter's surname has always been the 'chosen' surname. So in Legacy I have entered him with the surname he legally had all our life together. His siblings are entered with their birth surname - all to the same set of parents. I have recorded his birth name as an AKA, but I have also added a Deed Poll event to explain the situation. So in your case, I would use the surname that the child is known by now and record the other as an AKA - perhaps with notes in an Adoption event to explain the circumstances. Happy New Year!!! Cheers, Jan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2008 4:59:AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 5.01.2008 11:46:AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Rich in LA CA wrote: I do not know what a deed poll is A deed poll is a legal document which shows a person's intention to change his/her name. It's not just an Aussie thing. I don't know what it's called in other parts of the world. Maureen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Maureen, It is exactly the same in the UK. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *New Blog* Protect Your PC View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:06:34 +1100 Rich in LA CA wrote: I do not know what a deed poll is A deed poll is a legal document which shows a person's intention to change his/her name. It's not just an Aussie thing. I don't know what it's called in other parts of the world. Maureen _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp 07_header.gif07_footer.gif
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Well, this is exactly my own situation, except that my own father died. My sister and I were subsequently adopted by our stepfather when our mother remarried. I find now, some 55 years since the death of my father (and the death of both my mother and stepfather) I have reverted to the use of my genetic surname although I was married in my adopted father's surname (confusion for great-grandchildren!). However, on the family card of my stepfather and mother, my sister and I appear twice - as both 'adopted' child status and 1/2 children along with our two brothers - who were adult at the time of my mother's re-marriage - who only appear once. Elizabeth H. Charles Shirley Woolley wrote: How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles ---Original Message--- From: Timothy K. Cox Date: 1/5/2008 11:41:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
You might choose to use alternate names. In the family view, click on the icon of the repeating person to add the AKA. At present, Legacy does not have a method to see at a glance which surname was used. However, changes can be documented in the notes. Dawn Charles Shirley Woolley wrote: I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles ---Original Message--- From: Timothy K. Cox mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/5/2008 11:41:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
You can use the AKA to record other names the person was known as. That's the icon in Family View that has three heads lined up. In this case, I'd record the birth name as the main name and use the AKA for the adopted name, but you may want to do it the other way around - the choice is yours. In the Name List you can choose to have AKAs displayed - click on Options in the Name List and select Include Alternate Names. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/ - Original Message - *From:* Charles Shirley Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Sent:* 01/06/2008 6:59:10 AM +1300 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Thanks Elizabeth. Life sure gets complicated. I will try your suggestion and see what happens. ---Original Message--- From: Hope Bagot Bees Date: 01/05/08 12:05:28 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Well, this is exactly my own situation, except that my own father died. My sister and I were subsequently adopted by our stepfather when our mother remarried. I find now, some 55 years since the death of my father (and the death of both my mother and stepfather) I have reverted to the use of my genetic surname although I was married in my adopted father's surname (confusion for great-grandchildren!). However, on the family card of my stepfather and mother, my sister and I appear twice - as both 'adopted' child status and 1/2 children along with our two brothers - who were adult at the time of my mother's re-marriage - who only appear once. Elizabeth H. Charles Shirley Woolley wrote: How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
That's a slightly different question. I'm not sure of any other possible solutions but, the Alternate Names (AKA) field seems to be the most appropriate place to handle this. Once the preferred name is chosen, this is the name that will be put in the individual's Surname field and be displayed. There is an option at the bottom of the alternate names window to 'Swap Alternate Name with Main Name' if needed. Under the 'Name List' window, the 'Options' can be changed to show Alternate Names (preceded by a ~). Report options can also be modified to show the alternate names. Finally, clicking on the Individual's field label area in the Family view tab allows the displayed fields to be modified to include AKAs. Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles ---Original Message--- From: Timothy K. Cox mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/5/2008 11:41:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Thanks Dawn. I will try your suggestion. Charles ---Original Message--- From: Dawn Crowley Date: 01/05/08 13:04:24 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question You might choose to use alternate names. In the family view, click on the icon of the repeating person to add the AKA. At present, Legacy does not have a method to see at a glance which surname was used. However, changes can be documented in the notes. Dawn Charles Shirley Woolley wrote: I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles ---Original Message--- From: Timothy K. Cox mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/5/2008 11:41:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
Choose which is/was used in life most, make the other names AKA's. Rich in LA CA --- Charles Shirley Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I have a two-names-required situation (because of deed poll, not adoption). My late first husband changed his name by deed poll before we met. So I have only known him by his 'chosen' name (which happened to be his mother's maiden name) and our daughter's surname has always been the 'chosen' surname. So in Legacy I have entered him with the surname he legally had all our life together. His siblings are entered with their birth surname - all to the same set of parents. I have recorded his birth name as an AKA, but I have also added a Deed Poll event to explain the situation. So in your case, I would use the surname that the child is known by now and record the other as an AKA - perhaps with notes in an Adoption event to explain the circumstances. Happy New Year!!! Cheers, Jan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2008 4:59:AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 5.01.2008 11:46:AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
As long as you have everything explained somewhere, no matter how you enter it it will be ok. Michele - Original Message - From: Jan Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I have a two-names-required situation (because of deed poll, not adoption). My late first husband changed his name by deed poll before we met. So I have only known him by his 'chosen' name (which happened to be his mother's maiden name) and our daughter's surname has always been the 'chosen' surname. So in Legacy I have entered him with the surname he legally had all our life together. His siblings are entered with their birth surname - all to the same set of parents. I have recorded his birth name as an AKA, but I have also added a Deed Poll event to explain the situation. So in your case, I would use the surname that the child is known by now and record the other as an AKA - perhaps with notes in an Adoption event to explain the circumstances. Happy New Year!!! Cheers, Jan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2008 4:59:AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 5.01.2008 11:46:AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I have the same exact situation in my family. The child is listed in Legacy with the legal name (adoptive name) as the main name. The birth name is only listed in my notes as private. The reason is that court records for the adoptions in the US are usually sealed. As a researcher, you need to keep the information private unless you have the consent of all parties involved to make it public - that is the law regarding sealed records. The birth father, the adoptive father, the birth mother and the child all have equal rights in regards to privacy and the rights of one party does not supersede the other. Details of the divorce are different. Divorce records are not usually sealed and can be accessed once the municipality's time frame to make them public record is reached. There is also a slightly different situation where a child was adopted by both parents and was never told that she was adopted. Now as an adult, she cannot ask her parents questions because they are deceased. The birth parents are unknown and at this point to bring up the adoption would cause more harm than good, again its in my private files. Treat adoptions with care and discretion. Linda Altman http://www.southerngenealogy.com _ From: Charles Shirley Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp image001.gifimage002.gif
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question
I think if it were me, I'd do it this way: Child born James Lee Smith and the Johnson's adopt him. In the first name field I'd put James Lee (Smith) and in the Sir name I'd put Johnson. Then in the notes I'd elaborate on the adoption. From: Charles Shirley Woolley Thanks Dawn. I will try your suggestion. From: Dawn Crowley You might choose to use alternate names. In the family view, click on the icon of the repeating person to add the AKA. At present, Legacy does not have a method to see at a glance which surname was used. However, changes can be documented in the notes. Dawn Charles Shirley Woolley wrote: I know how to change the adoption status. My question is how to show the two different last names. Do I have the same individual with two last names? Charles ---Original Message--- From: Timothy K. Cox mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/5/2008 11:41:43 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question Additionally, See HelpShow Help Index...Adoption Status for details on setting each of the Parent's relationships (Biological, Adopted etc.). Things like this are explained very well in the training video CDs. A worthwhile investment for getting much more out of the program. P.S. Please turn off the stationary and send messages as plain text. See: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Posted at the end of every message. Thanks, Tim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donna Newell Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question I think that all you would do is add the child to both fathers. First you have a marriage between the two original parents, add the child. Do the divorce. Add the second husband to the wife. Click add a child, select link to an existing son. You will get the message that (Childs name) is already a child of another family add as a child to this family also? click OK. Donna Newell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Shirley Woolley Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Question How do I handle a situation such as the following. I have a husband and wife, they have a child. They divorce. The mother remarries. The new father adopts the child and the child takes the new fathers last name. Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] adoption/birth certificate
I guess it would be the only way to maintain the confidentiality of the birth parents. Never really thought about it that way. -- Kirstin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- GBallard wrote: Kirstin, I am adopted. I live in California and am 41 years old. My birth certificate shows my adoptive parents only. As Elaine mentioned, my birth certificate is a re-issue. I know the date when my adoption was final, but I have not seen the actual adoption papers. Glen Ballard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirstin Martinez Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships I have a question about adoption. I don't know how long it's been going on, but I just asked a client for legal proof that the child was adopted (and she can therefore sign for him). To my surprise I got a birth certificate with only her name on it (as mother). The biologic parents names were removed! That would make it hard to track genetic background if she didn't know who the biologic parents were. But I guess that's also a privacy issue. -- Kirstin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Changing the wording won't address 'the problem' that was raised at the beginning of this thread. If someone married twice with children from each marriage with the earlier children being adopted by the second set of parents then the report won't pick up the correct parents of the adopted children. True that the family unit can be phrased appropriately but at the expense of not identifying the true parents of each child. If anyone has a workaround for this situation I'd be grateful to hear it. Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: 24 February 2007 07:08 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Yes it's a global change. Can't you think of wording that suits both? I mostly use Known children: would you prefer something like Children in this family are: Which children are biological, which adopted and which fostered are identified by the Child Status and/or Child-Parent Relationship - depending on how you use those options. If you can't find suitable wording, then you either use the RTF option and edit the Legacy output or leave out adopted children. I'm sorry but I can't see what the problem is. Cathy Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Hi Ron I've often wondered how best to show this and agree with what you have said. Have you figured out a way to present this more accurately in say descendant reports? At the moment it seems that adopted children are presented in the same way as natural children. Maybe we need additional wording options? Graham The correct procedure is to show him as the son of his natural father then link him (*not* re-enter) him to your second husband to do this you click on the parents icon (the one with the two heads) and link him to an existing person ie. your second husband. You then enter in his status as adopted. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Hi Cathy Yes, tried that but the sentence still reads 'Children from this marriage' including adopted children. Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: 23 February 2007 09:48 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Have you checked the report option to include Child Status and Child-Parent Relationships? That distinguishes adopted children from natural. Cathy Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Well you have control of that sentence. You can make it read whatever you like. See Wording Tabs. Cathy At 07:15 PM 23/02/2007, you wrote: Hi Cathy Yes, tried that but the sentence still reads 'Children from this marriage' including adopted children. Graham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy Sent: 23 February 2007 09:48 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Have you checked the report option to include Child Status and Child-Parent Relationships? That distinguishes adopted children from natural. Cathy Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
But isn't that a global change and wouldn't then suit natural children? Graham - Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Well you have control of that sentence. You can make it read whatever you like. See Wording Tabs. Cathy At 07:15 PM 23/02/2007, you wrote: Hi Cathy Yes, tried that but the sentence still reads 'Children from this marriage' including adopted children. Graham Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Yes it's a global change. Can't you think of wording that suits both? I mostly use Known children: would you prefer something like Children in this family are: Which children are biological, which adopted and which fostered are identified by the Child Status and/or Child-Parent Relationship - depending on how you use those options. If you can't find suitable wording, then you either use the RTF option and edit the Legacy output or leave out adopted children. I'm sorry but I can't see what the problem is. Cathy At 03:43 PM 24/02/2007, you wrote: But isn't that a global change and wouldn't then suit natural children? Graham - Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption Well you have control of that sentence. You can make it read whatever you like. See Wording Tabs. Cathy Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Thank you Ron - that worked like a charm!! Ellaine Goodall E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Ellaine, If I am right in my reading of your email you have actually entered your son twice. But I am not clear as to whether the second time you have just linked him as a son to the second father or not. In any event it does not really matter as he should *not* be entered twice. If he has been, delete the one linking him to your second husband. The correct procedure is to show him as the son of his natural father then link him (*not* re-enter) him to your second husband to do this you click on the parents icon (the one with the two heads) and link him to an existing person ie. your second husband. You then enter in his status as adopted. If you wish to show your second husband's name as his, enter that name in the AKAs (the icon with the 3 heads) and this allows you the choice of using which ever name you wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blog* - Improve Colour Photos with The GIMP Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: Ellaine Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:31:45 -0500 Cathy: I have this same problem. I have been married twice and my second husband adopted my younger son. I have the two marriages and have him showing in my first marriage with his last name being that of his biological father - then I entered him with my second husband and clicked the adopted category and he shows under his adopted name and adopted to side of the name. Now the problem: when I go into the Legacy screen, with him showing as adopted, to edit source information, a sreeen pops up which says cannot fine parent relationship and after clicking on this screen two or three times to get of it (no options are offered)the whole program shuts down and Legacy is gone completely off the screen Any help would be appreciated. Ellaine Goodall E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Hi Gary, Yours is a very common query. Starting at the end of your queries. When looking at Family View with 1/2 kids showing - the 1/2 simply means that the child is the child of only one of the parents showing. In brackets you will find the name of the other parent. Family View in this mode isn't attempting to describe step-parent relationships or saying that all children showing are blood related and either full or half siblings. If looking at a second marriage for both parents where there are children to both first marriages and children to the second marriage, all the children of the first marriages will show as 1/2. They are all 1/2 siblings to the children of the second marriage but not to each other. Take a look at the Family Group Sheets and you'll find they are correct. To include your child adopted by mother's second husband and show as a full sibling to the children of this second marriage, you need to add the mother and her second husband as a second set of parents. (With the child in a main (parent) position in Family View, right click on him/her and choose Add parents. Choose to link to existing parents and find the relevant pair in the list. Return this set of parents to the parent position in Family View. Right click on the children and go to Children's settings. There you highlight the relevant child and enter Child Status and Child-Parent relationships. Note that the child now shows twice - once as a full child and once as a half. If you do this, it will all report correctly - but the child will show twice in reports. If the child has descendants, you'll probably want to check Don't repeat duplicate lines on the Format Tab of Report Options. Also check to include Child Status and Child-Parent relationships in reports. Hope that clarifies, Cathy At 07:57 PM 10/02/2007, you wrote: I checked the archives, but still am not certain of the consensus regarding this situation. Child's biological father dies while child is an infant. Mother remarries while child is still a baby. New husband adopts child while child is still a baby. Child now assumes same surname as adopted father. Yet, child still shows as 1/2 child among his siblings and sorts at end of sibling list. Is there a commonly accepted means to grant full child status
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Cathy: I have this same problem. I have been married twice and my second husband adopted my younger son. I have the two marriages and have him showing in my first marriage with his last name being that of his biological father - then I entered him with my second husband and clicked the adopted category and he shows under his adopted name and adopted to side of the name. Now the problem: when I go into the Legacy screen, with him showing as adopted, to edit source information, a sreeen pops up which says cannot fine parent relationship and after clicking on this screen two or three times to get of it (no options are offered)the whole program shuts down and Legacy is gone completely off the screen Any help would be appreciated. Ellaine Goodall E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Hi Gary, Yours is a very common query. Starting at the end of your queries. When looking at Family View with 1/2 kids showing - the 1/2 simply means that the child is the child of only one of the parents showing. In brackets you will find the name of the other parent. Family View in this mode isn't attempting to describe step-parent relationships or saying that all children showing are blood related and either full or half siblings. If looking at a second marriage for both parents where there are children to both first marriages and children to the second marriage, all the children of the first marriages will show as 1/2. They are all 1/2 siblings to the children of the second marriage but not to each other. Take a look at the Family Group Sheets and you'll find they are correct. To include your child adopted by mother's second husband and show as a full sibling to the children of this second marriage, you need to add the mother and her second husband as a second set of parents. (With the child in a main (parent) position in Family View, right click on him/her and choose Add parents. Choose to link to existing parents and find the relevant pair in the list. Return this set of parents to the parent position in Family View. Right click on the children and go to Children's settings. There you highlight the relevant child and enter Child Status and Child-Parent relationships. Note that the child now shows twice - once as a full child and once as a half. If you do this, it will all report correctly - but the child will show twice in reports. If the child has descendants, you'll probably want to check Don't repeat duplicate lines on the Format Tab of Report Options. Also check to include Child Status and Child-Parent relationships in reports. Hope that clarifies, Cathy At 07:57 PM 10/02/2007, you wrote: I checked the archives, but still am not certain of the consensus regarding this situation. Child's biological father dies while child is an infant. Mother remarries while child is still a baby. New husband adopts child while child is still a baby. Child now assumes same surname as adopted father. Yet, child still shows as 1/2 child among his siblings and sorts at end of sibling list. Is there a commonly accepted means to grant full child status to this adopted child? Or, should that never occur out of proper recording methodology? One other twist--- As currently stands in my data base, this adopted child shows as 1/2 child among his siblings. And his siblings show as 1/2 children under their mother's first marriage. However, husband of first marriage died before any other those children were born. I am missing the method to make this right. I tried delinking children, but this only delinked the children from the mother as well--not my intended move. How is this handled? Thanks again for allowing me to retill what likely has been covered before but not easily identified in the archives. Gary Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Ellaine, If I am right in my reading of your email you have actually entered your son twice. But I am not clear as to whether the second time you have just linked him as a son to the second father or not. In any event it does not really matter as he should *not* be entered twice. If he has been, delete the one linking him to your second husband. The correct procedure is to show him as the son of his natural father then link him (*not* re-enter) him to your second husband to do this you click on the parents icon (the one with the two heads) and link him to an existing person ie. your second husband. You then enter in his status as adopted. If you wish to show your second husband's name as his, enter that name in the AKAs (the icon with the 3 heads) and this allows you the choice of using which ever name you wish. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blog* - Improve Colour Photos with The GIMP Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: Ellaine Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:31:45 -0500 Cathy: I have this same problem. I have been married twice and my second husband adopted my younger son. I have the two marriages and have him showing in my first marriage with his last name being that of his biological father - then I entered him with my second husband and clicked the adopted category and he shows under his adopted name and adopted to side of the name. Now the problem: when I go into the Legacy screen, with him showing as adopted, to edit source information, a sreeen pops up which says cannot fine parent relationship and after clicking on this screen two or three times to get of it (no options are offered)the whole program shuts down and Legacy is gone completely off the screen Any help would be appreciated. Ellaine Goodall E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption Hi Gary, Yours is a very common query. Starting at the end of your queries. When looking at Family View with 1/2 kids showing - the 1/2 simply means that the child is the child of only one of the parents showing. In brackets you will find the name of the other parent. Family View in this mode isn't attempting to describe step-parent relationships or saying that all children showing are blood related and either full or half siblings. If looking at a second marriage for both parents where there are children to both first marriages and children to the second marriage, all the children of the first marriages will show as 1/2. They are all 1/2 siblings to the children of the second marriage but not to each other. Take a look at the Family Group Sheets and you'll find they are correct. To include your child adopted by mother's second husband and show as a full sibling to the children of this second marriage, you need to add the mother and her second husband as a second set of parents. (With the child in a main (parent) position in Family View, right click on him/her and choose Add parents. Choose to link to existing parents and find the relevant pair in the list. Return this set of parents to the parent position in Family View. Right click on the children and go to Children's settings. There you highlight the relevant child and enter Child Status and Child-Parent relationships. Note that the child now shows twice - once as a full child and once as a half. If you do this, it will all report correctly - but the child will show twice in reports. If the child has descendants, you'll probably want to check Don't repeat duplicate lines on the Format Tab of Report Options. Also check to include Child Status and Child-Parent relationships in reports. Hope that clarifies, Cathy At 07:57 PM 10/02/2007, you wrote: I checked the archives, but still am not certain of the consensus regarding this situation. Child's biological father dies while child is an infant. Mother remarries while child is still a baby. New husband adopts child while child is still a baby. Child now assumes same surname as adopted father. Yet, child still shows as 1/2 child among his siblings and sorts at end of sibling list. Is there a commonly accepted means to grant full child status to this adopted child? Or, should that never occur out of proper recording methodology? One other twist--- As currently stands in my data base, this adopted child shows as 1/2 child among his siblings. And his siblings show as 1/2 children under their mother's first marriage
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Gary, WRT to your first part that is correct. The adopted child does appear at the top of the list for the first marriage though. Technically it is correct though. I too am not happy about the display for the first marriage and have looked for, but not found, a way of stopping the children from the secomd marriage showing. It would be great if somebody does have a solution for this. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blog* - Improve Colour Photos with The GIMP Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Adoption Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:57:28 -0600 I checked the archives, but still am not certain of the consensus regarding this situation. Child's biological father dies while child is an infant. Mother remarries while child is still a baby. New husband adopts child while child is still a baby. Child now assumes same surname as adopted father. Yet, child still shows as 1/2 child among his siblings and sorts at end of sibling list. Is there a commonly accepted means to grant full child status to this adopted child? Or, should that never occur out of proper recording methodology? One other twist--- As currently stands in my data base, this adopted child shows as 1/2 child among his siblings. And his siblings show as 1/2 children under their mother's first marriage. However, husband of first marriage died before any other those children were born. I am missing the method to make this right. I tried delinking children, but this only delinked the children from the mother as well--not my intended move. How is this handled? Thanks again for allowing me to retill what likely has been covered before but not easily identified in the archives. Gary _ MSN Hotmail is evolving check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Adoption
Hi Gary, Yours is a very common query. Starting at the end of your queries. When looking at Family View with 1/2 kids showing - the 1/2 simply means that the child is the child of only one of the parents showing. In brackets you will find the name of the other parent. Family View in this mode isn't attempting to describe step-parent relationships or saying that all children showing are blood related and either full or half siblings. If looking at a second marriage for both parents where there are children to both first marriages and children to the second marriage, all the children of the first marriages will show as 1/2. They are all 1/2 siblings to the children of the second marriage but not to each other. Take a look at the Family Group Sheets and you'll find they are correct. To include your child adopted by mother's second husband and show as a full sibling to the children of this second marriage, you need to add the mother and her second husband as a second set of parents. (With the child in a main (parent) position in Family View, right click on him/her and choose Add parents. Choose to link to existing parents and find the relevant pair in the list. Return this set of parents to the parent position in Family View. Right click on the children and go to Children's settings. There you highlight the relevant child and enter Child Status and Child-Parent relationships. Note that the child now shows twice - once as a full child and once as a half. If you do this, it will all report correctly - but the child will show twice in reports. If the child has descendants, you'll probably want to check Don't repeat duplicate lines on the Format Tab of Report Options. Also check to include Child Status and Child-Parent relationships in reports. Hope that clarifies, Cathy At 07:57 PM 10/02/2007, you wrote: I checked the archives, but still am not certain of the consensus regarding this situation. Child's biological father dies while child is an infant. Mother remarries while child is still a baby. New husband adopts child while child is still a baby. Child now assumes same surname as adopted father. Yet, child still shows as 1/2 child among his siblings and sorts at end of sibling list. Is there a commonly accepted means to grant full child status to this adopted child? Or, should that never occur out of proper recording methodology? One other twist--- As currently stands in my data base, this adopted child shows as 1/2 child among his siblings. And his siblings show as 1/2 children under their mother's first marriage. However, husband of first marriage died before any other those children were born. I am missing the method to make this right. I tried delinking children, but this only delinked the children from the mother as well--not my intended move. How is this handled? Thanks again for allowing me to retill what likely has been covered before but not easily identified in the archives. Gary Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption and how it shows on a report
On one of the older versions of Legacy there was a screen (tab) right behind the main couple view that allowed you to see a descendent view but it also included the multiple wives and children of the person highlighted on the main screen . The newer version doesn't seem to have this anymore. Does anyone know what I am describing and if there is a way to get that feature back? Also, do the people at Legacy see these postings and add/remove/return features according to user input? Thanks! Jill _ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp imstp_usa.gif Description: GIF image
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption and how it shows on a report
Jill asked *On one of the older versions of Legacy there was a screen (tab) right behind the main couple view that allowed you to see a descendent view but it also included the multiple wives and children of the person highlighted on the main screen . * This feature is still available under the Pedigree tab. Go to that screen and while there, right-click on any blank area. Select Show spouses/children and siblings. All the best Margaret Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Adoption and how it shows on a report
Hi Jill, If you mean the Descendant Tab, this is a Deluxe feature - have you reverted to the Standard version for some reason? You may need to scroll to see the other spouses. Features haven't been removed from Legacy. Some features have been added. Margaret has explained a new feature on the Pedigree Tab. If you are missing something that was there before, it is probably because your Options have changed and you need to re find the place to turn on that feature. Cathy At 10:00 AM 12/01/2007, you wrote: On one of the older versions of Legacy there was a screen (tab) right behind the main couple view that allowed you to see a descendent view but it also included the multiple wives and children of the person highlighted on the main screen . The newer version doesn't seem to have this anymore. Does anyone know what I am describing and if there is a way to get that feature back? Also, do the people at Legacy see these postings and add/remove/return features according to user input? Thanks! Jill Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
