Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
It sounds to me like Jenny and Ron are saying much the same thing. If Michael sets up one new general master source, then combines one of his specific master sources with this new one, the detail citations of the old specific master source still be there, tied to the new general master source. I think that's what Jenny is saying. And what Ron is saying is: Try it once and see if it works before doing any more! ;) --Paula --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 4:49 PM SgtBob wrote Jenny - If I created a new source with all the data I wanted that 'mirrors' an older one, and then combined the older one with the new one, would all the sources be changed to the new source? It seems to me that I have tried this and the data is now reflected with the new source. Could you elaborate on the consequences of this? Yes, if you merge a Source you have already used with another Source, all the records which had used the previous Source will now use the new one. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Jenny - If I created a new source with all the data I wanted that 'mirrors' an older one, and then combined the older one with the new one, would all the sources be changed to the new source? It seems to me that I have tried this and the data is now reflected with the new source. Could you elaborate on the consequences of this? Bob Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: I was wondering if I could change the specific Master Sources I created (e.g., Giovanni Barberi's Civil Birth Record, 22 Jan 1833, Cerreto Sannita, Italy) and transform them into a general Master Source (e.g., Civil Birth Records 1809-1860, Cerreto Sannita, Italy). If I can do that, it will make my effort much easier. It's easy enough to amend or edit a Master Source and then EITHER save it to overwrite the previous version OR save it as a new version with a different name. If you take the former option, you will then need to go to each person using that Master Source and change the Source Details as appropriate. If you take the latter option, no one will be using the newly created Source and you can then go through your file attaching that new Master Source as required, with appropriate Source Details. In that case, you will probably also be deleting the old Source from some people. Having said that, I would think about how many people and Sources you have entered and decide whether it is worth starting again from scratch. You do not need to re-enter all the individuals' data, just delete the Master Sources, create new ones and attach as required. Also, since I have created specific Details associated with each specific Master Source, could I amend those Details to include more detail and link them to the appropriate newly created Master Sources? If you edit a Master Source and re-save it with the same name, you can then go to anyone using that Source and edit the Source Details. But if you delete a Master Source you will also delete any Source Details attached to it and if you create a new Master Source (either from scratch or by amending an existing one) there will be no Source Details to edit. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- /Users/robertrunion/Desktop/eMail Icons/signature.pdf Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
SgtBob wrote Jenny - If I created a new source with all the data I wanted that 'mirrors' an older one, and then combined the older one with the new one, would all the sources be changed to the new source? It seems to me that I have tried this and the data is now reflected with the new source. Could you elaborate on the consequences of this? Yes, if you merge a Source you have already used with another Source, all the records which had used the previous Source will now use the new one. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Sorry, Mike, but I think you will find that you have to start from scratch. One thing which you might like to try is to create one new Master Source and fill in the detail for a person and then merge one of those you would wish to add to the new Master Source and see how it goes. I do not have much confidence in this working properly but it might be worth a try. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Bogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:38:50 -0700 From: michaelbarb...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I have thanked everyone including Jenny for her suggestions and advice. I have written several follow-up emails on this subject. I will be following the many suggestions made by several Legacy users. After reviewing my Master Sources, et al, I realized that have not created specific Master Sources for each Event/Fact for each individual. I was wondering if I could change the specific Master Sources I created (e.g., Giovanni Barberi's Civil Birth Record, 22 Jan 1833, Cerreto Sannita, Italy) and transform them into a general Master Source (e.g., Civil Birth Records 1809-1860, Cerreto Sannita, Italy). If I can do that, it will make my effort much easier. Also, since I have created specific Details associated with each specific Master Source, could I amend those Details to include more detail and link them to the appropriate newly created Master Sources? Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Paula Ryburn To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 8:47:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question Well stated Jenny! I didn't know where to start in explaining it to him. Thanks for all your contributions here. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Jenny M Benson wrote: From: Jenny M Benson Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:04 AM michael barberi wrote I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. I think you are *not* following the method which everyone, broadly speaking, uses and that your concerns over-done. If you hang around here for a while you will probably see a lot of discussion about lumping and splitting - this refers to how much you information you group together as one Source or how much you split it up. To take one example, the Census. In England Wales we have usually had one Census every 10 years since 1841. Some people (extreme lumpers) would have one Master Source named something like England Census and put the year and everything else into the Details. Splitters might have one Master Source for, say, each County for each Year. But having said that, there is a limit to how much anyone splits and I don't think there is anyone here who has carried it to the extent you are doing. I do encourage you to think again about using Master Sources and Source Details to their best advantage. -- Jenny M Benson _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Well stated Jenny! I didn't know where to start in explaining it to him. Thanks for all your contributions here. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:04 AM michael barberi wrote I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. I think you are *not* following the method which everyone, broadly speaking, uses and that your concerns over-done. If you hang around here for a while you will probably see a lot of discussion about lumping and splitting - this refers to how much you information you group together as one Source or how much you split it up. To take one example, the Census. In England Wales we have usually had one Census every 10 years since 1841. Some people (extreme lumpers) would have one Master Source named something like England Census and put the year and everything else into the Details. Splitters might have one Master Source for, say, each County for each Year. But having said that, there is a limit to how much anyone splits and I don't think there is anyone here who has carried it to the extent you are doing. I do encourage you to think again about using Master Sources and Source Details to their best advantage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Judy, Just two more thoughts on your letter. I had a letter from my great-grandfather's grandfather written in 1882 that outlined nearly all my lineage for DAR membership, so many individuals across generations were referenced. I set up one master source, then entered detailed citations for the individuals or their events (as eloquently described by others on this list). 1. In some cases, I had set up an event, like Notes where I entered the text of the letter, so it would show up on book-style reports. That is, I didn't just enter it on the Text tab in the detail citation, because I wanted (eg) the man's description of his grandfather's call to serve in the Rev. War to be in reports. In most other cases, I had the pertinent paragraph (eg) describing his late mother in the Text tab. 2. You might want to take a look at using the sourcing clipboard. It's a way to set up the detail citation once, then attach that citation to multiple fields on an individual (or even multiple individuals). Let's say you have a paragraph that describes the birth and baptism of your mother and her sisters. Open the source clipboard, select the letter as master source, enter the paragraph in the detail, save to the clipboard. Then open up your mother's individual data, enter her birthdate location and while the cursor is in that field, click on the little blue minus sign on the left. Enter her baptism date location, click on the blue minus sign. Save, and pull up her sister. Enter the data, click on the blue minus sign, etc. You have only typed in the paragraph once, but now it is the source citation for all those pieces of data. I'm not at home to make sure I've described this totally correctly, but it's explained in Help and online. And of course, post your questions here. GOOD LUCK! --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Judy jusen...@gmail.com wrote: From: Judy jusen...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:58 AM I wish to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It has really helped me, as a newbie, understand the Sourcing system in Legacy. Before this discussion, I was really lost, having come from a totally different way of tracking sources (Generations). Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
I have thanked everyone including Jenny for her suggestions and advice. I have written several follow-up emails on this subject. I will be following the many suggestions made by several Legacy users. After reviewing my Master Sources, et al, I realized that have not created specific Master Sources for each Event/Fact for each individual. I was wondering if I could change the specific Master Sources I created (e.g., Giovanni Barberi's Civil Birth Record, 22 Jan 1833, Cerreto Sannita, Italy) and transform them into a general Master Source (e.g., Civil Birth Records 1809-1860, Cerreto Sannita, Italy). If I can do that, it will make my effort much easier. Also, since I have created specific Details associated with each specific Master Source, could I amend those Details to include more detail and link them to the appropriate newly created Master Sources? Mike In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 8:47:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question Well stated Jenny! I didn't know where to start in explaining it to him. Thanks for all your contributions here. --Paula in Texas --- On Fri, 9/4/09, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 4:04 AM michael barberi wrote I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. I think you are *not* following the method which everyone, broadly speaking, uses and that your concerns over-done. If you hang around here for a while you will probably see a lot of discussion about lumping and splitting - this refers to how much you information you group together as one Source or how much you split it up. To take one example, the Census. In England Wales we have usually had one Census every 10 years since 1841. Some people (extreme lumpers) would have one Master Source named something like England Census and put the year and everything else into the Details. Splitters might have one Master Source for, say, each County for each Year. But having said that, there is a limit to how much anyone splits and I don't think there is anyone here who has carried it to the extent you are doing. I do encourage you to think again about using Master Sources and Source Details to their best advantage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
michael barberi wrote I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. I think you are *not* following the method which everyone, broadly speaking, uses and that your concerns over-done. If you hang around here for a while you will probably see a lot of discussion about lumping and splitting - this refers to how much you information you group together as one Source or how much you split it up. To take one example, the Census. In England Wales we have usually had one Census every 10 years since 1841. Some people (extreme lumpers) would have one Master Source named something like England Census and put the year and everything else into the Details. Splitters might have one Master Source for, say, each County for each Year. But having said that, there is a limit to how much anyone splits and I don't think there is anyone here who has carried it to the extent you are doing. I do encourage you to think again about using Master Sources and Source Details to their best advantage. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
For those of you who have problems with master sources and detail sources this is the way I think of them. When you were in school, you had to write papers that referenced research material. You made bibliography entries with details of the book where you found the material. Then for each specific detail you added the chapter and/or page number. The chapter and page could be different for each entry. When the bibliography was printed at the end of the book, each distinct entry would be printed but where two entries following each other were the same something like Ibid. would be printed. To me this is the same thinking as a master source and detail source. Sometimes two or more people will have the exact same master source and detail source, but other times it will be the same master source but the details will be different. Hopefully this will be helpful for some people. Ila East Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
I wish to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It has really helped me, as a newbie, understand the Sourcing system in Legacy. Before this discussion, I was really lost, having come from a totally different way of tracking sources (Generations). Judy Senter On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:53 AM, Ila East rle...@centurytel.net wrote: For those of you who have problems with master sources and detail sources this is the way I think of them. When you were in school, you had to write papers that referenced research material. You made bibliography entries with details of the book where you found the material. Then for each specific detail you added the chapter and/or page number. The chapter and page could be different for each entry. When the bibliography was printed at the end of the book, each distinct entry would be printed but where two entries following each other were the same something like Ibid. would be printed. To me this is the same thinking as a master source and detail source. Sometimes two or more people will have the exact same master source and detail source, but other times it will be the same master source but the details will be different. Hopefully this will be helpful for some people. Ila East Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
I agree, Ila. Another analogy is to think of the master source list as the card catalog in a library. A card catalog card gives you a lot of identifying information about the book (or DVD, video, or whatever) it describes, but it doesn't contain any text from the book.
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Mike,
You are lucky to find a book about your small town. I had assumed that you were
relying more on LDS microfilms, but the online catalog only shows one film
series for your town. It is only for 1809-1860. However, it does consist of 12
separate physical microfilms. Like my ancestral towns, there are separate films
for births, marriages, etc., and date ranges for each film. I assume that you
got your post-1860 civil and church records by visiting the town. Again, when I
visited Noci (BA), the physical books containing the original records (civil
and church) were organized by date ranges and type of record. To me, each
physical book (or microfilm) should be identified in the citation and is
logically a master source. If another researcher were to attempt to locate my
source, this information would help them.
When I started, I was a splitter. I found that I had a lot of trouble being
consistent -- remembering how to word each ('basic style') source so that they
would appear consistent in reports. Two things have solved that: more lumping
of master sources, and now the SourceWriter templates. I find capturing sources
tedious and I appreciate even the smallest economy of not having to re-enter
the information about the master source each time.
Another thing to consider is the concept of 'subsequent citations'. As you will
see in the LUG archive, this is still a bit buggy, but the idea is that the
printed citation can be briefer, saving space, when you cite the same master
source after the first time.
Ward
P.S.: I think your latest response below should have been addressed to CE Wood,
not to me.
- Original Message -
From: michael barberi
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Ward:
Thank you for you time and valuable suggestions. I will give your them very
serious thought and likely will adopt change what I am doing. However, I hope
I can create a series of Master Sources as you suggested given what I have
already created. Any suggestions?
As to your recent points:
First, I can count on two hands or so the number of Barbieri's who appeared
in Books and Publications. There was only one book written about the history
of the small mountain town of Cerreto Sannita, Italy. I had to order it from
Italy and it is in Italian (which I am having translated). As for US books and
publications, only a few Barbieri's from Cerreto Sannita have been cited in
such sources. If I write a Book that combines family and social history, I
have to cite such social history sources. However, this has nothing to do with
family history documentation in Legacy.
Second, I have connected most of the 3000+ Barbieri's from this town from
1579-1900. This was possible because I have about 90% of all the Barbieri
records from this town. While my research is not finished, I don't anticipate
any future problems. Perhaps if I had 25,000 individuals things would be
different.
Third, I am not having any trouble creating sources, amending sources etc.
Naming a new Master Source each time is not time consuming compared to typing
in the detail which has to done regardless if I create one or thousands of
Master Sources. I don't see how your suggestions will cut down on the number
of detailed citations.
I could be wrong about these things. Your advice is very much appreciated.
Clearly, it is a better way of organizing sources.
Mike Barberi
In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas.
In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love.
St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430)
--
From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:28:59 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question
But as you progress, you will probably be using one sources for many,
thousands perhaps. Sometimes an Author can be a Master Source, with the
publication in which a particular article was published as the detail.
You will also probably have books that are sources for many people. Are you
really going to create a new Master Source for each instance in which that
source is used?
Right now, you have very few and limited sources. As you proceed to connect
people to others who are known and cited in many publications, you will have
a tough time of it if you continue as you are doing.
It is your choice, of course. Perhaps you are not interested in delving
into those tomes that have thousands of sources.
CE Wood
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
Of michael barberi
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
I don't
RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Judy, Which Master Source template are you using? It would be helpful if you described exactly how you are completing it at present as it is just about impossible to tell without this information. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed a Bogger RSS feed on your webpage http://www.fergys.co.uk/ View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: jusen...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:21:31 -0700 Subject: [LegacyUG] Master source question To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I have a question about master sources. I am a new user, and am adding some new people to my file. I have a document (a letter) which I want to use as a master source for these new people. So I created a master source, and started inputting the pertinent text for each person as I went along. However, I find that this seems to be a snowballing effect...the text for the last person reappears for the new person and so on. How do I create a master source, such as a document, that is used for multiple people, and just refer to the part that pertains to a certain individual in that individual's source? Judy _ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Judy, The Master Source should be the same for each individual. The differences should be entered in the Detail screen. After you create the Master Source with the common information for the letter, select that for as the source for the first individual and enter the text for him in the Source Detail screen. For the next individual, select the same source, but change the Detail text. Thus, for each individual, the Master Source info will be the same, but the Detail text will be different. Hope this helps. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Judy jusen...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Master source question I have a question about master sources. I am a new user, and am adding some new people to my file. I have a document (a letter) which I want to use as a master source for these new people. So I created a master source, and started inputting the pertinent text for each person as I went along. However, I find that this seems to be a snowballing effect...the text for the last person reappears for the new person and so on. How do I create a master source, such as a document, that is used for multiple people, and just refer to the part that pertains to a certain individual in that individual's source? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: jusen...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 4:05:53 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question Judy, The Master Source should be the same for each individual. The differences should be entered in the Detail screen. After you create the Master Source with the common information for the letter, select that for as the source for the first individual and enter the text for him in the Source Detail screen. For the next individual, select the same source, but change the Detail text. Thus, for each individual, the Master Source info will be the same, but the Detail text will be different. Hope this helps. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Judy jusen...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Master source question I have a question about master sources. I am a new user, and am adding some new people to my file. I have a document (a letter) which I want to use as a master source for these new people. So I created a master source, and started inputting the pertinent text for each person as I went along. However, I find that this seems to be a snowballing effect...the text for the last person reappears for the new person and so on. How do I create a master source, such as a document, that is used for multiple people, and just refer to the part that pertains to a certain individual in that individual's source? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Onlinetechnical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question
So what do you do when you have several thousand references to a source, such as the Complete Peerage? Do you not have Complete Peerage as a Master Source with specific volumes and pages in Details, but several thousand all with different volumes and pages? CE Wood From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of michael barberi Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method that everyone else uses, or if my concerns over potential problems are over-done, let me know. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: John S. Adams oldbr...@hotmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: jusen...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 4:05:53 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question Judy, The Master Source should be the same for each individual. The differences should be entered in the Detail screen. After you create the Master Source with the common information for the letter, select that for as the source for the first individual and enter the text for him in the Source Detail screen. For the next individual, select the same source, but change the Detail text. Thus, for each individual, the Master Source info will be the same, but the Detail text will be different. Hope this helps. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Judy jusen...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Master source question I have a question about master sources. I am a new user, and am adding some new people to my file. I have a document (a letter) which I want to use as a master source for these new people. So I created a master source, and started inputting the pertinent text for each person as I went along. However, I find that this seems to be a snowballing effect...the text for the last person reappears for the new person and so on. How do I create a master source, such as a document, that is used for multiple people, and just refer to the part that pertains to a certain individual in that individual's source? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2330 - Release Date: 09/03/09 05:50:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question
Ward: Thank you for you time and valuable suggestions. I will give your them very serious thought and likely will adopt change what I am doing. However, I hope I can create a series of Master Sources as you suggested given what I have already created. Any suggestions? As to your recent points: First, I can count on two hands or so the number of Barbieri's who appeared in Books and Publications. There was only one book written about the history of the small mountain town of Cerreto Sannita, Italy. I had to order it from Italy and it is in Italian (which I am having translated). As for US books and publications, only a few Barbieri's from Cerreto Sannita have been cited in such sources. If I write a Book that combines family and social history, I have to cite such social history sources. However, this has nothing to do with family history documentation in Legacy. Second, I have connected most of the 3000+ Barbieri's from this town from 1579-1900. This was possible because I have about 90% of all the Barbieri records from this town. While my research is not finished, I don't anticipate any future problems. Perhaps if I had 25,000 individuals things would be different. Third, I am not having any trouble creating sources, amending sources etc. Naming a new Master Source each time is not time consuming compared to typing in the detail which has to done regardless if I create one or thousands of Master Sources. I don't see how your suggestions will cut down on the number of detailed citations. I could be wrong about these things. Your advice is very much appreciated. Clearly, it is a better way of organizing sources. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:28:59 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question But as you progress, you will probably be using one sources for many, thousands perhaps. Sometimes an Author can be a Master Source, with the publication in which a particular article was published as the detail. You will also probably have books that are sources for many people. Are you really going to create a new Master Source for each instance in which that source is used? Right now, you have very few and limited sources. As you proceed to connect people to others who are known and cited in many publications, you will have a tough time of it if you continue as you are doing. It is your choice, of course. Perhaps you are not interested in delving into those tomes that have thousands of sources. CE Wood From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of michael barberi Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question I don't have several thousand references to a source. Each piece of evidence (e.g., birth, marriage record, passenger record) for an individual has a source. Many of these sources can be grouped into a higher source such a Civil Birth Records, Cerreto Sannita, Italy etc. Not all individuals have this source. Some have the Book of Baptisms, (year), Church of San Martino, Cerreto Sannita, Italy. All my ancestors came from Cerreto Sannita, save for a few. Mike Barberi In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus autem caritas. In essentials unity, in doubtful things liberty, but in all things love. St. Augustine (A.D. 354 - 430) From: CE Wood wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 5:10:01 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master source question So what do you do when you have several thousand references to a source, such as the Complete Peerage? Do you not have Complete Peerage as a Master Source with specific volumes and pages in Details, but several thousand all with different volumes and pages? CE Wood From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of michael barberi Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 4:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master source question I am always reluctant, perhaps based on ignorance, to use the same Master Source for each individual. I always like to guard against an inadvertent computer error, that might corrupt or mix up the source detail of individuals that are associated with one Master Source. I may not be following an intelligent sourcing method but each Source to me is different. Somethings it is just a year as in The Civil Birth Records 1888 of Cerreto Sannita, Italy (different years make for a different source; although I can see why this may not be correct). I am open to education. If I am not following the method
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source question for search of CULLODEN - I am a splitter
Hi Valerie Does this fibis thingy tie in with Legacy? Regards Mary Young On 2/12/08, Valerie Garton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like some help documenting the following search of CULLODEN in http://search.fibis.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source question for search of CULLODEN - I am a splitter
Valerie Garton wrote I would like some help documenting the following search of CULLODEN in http://search.fibis.org Families in British India Under search it then says Context + Directories + EIR - East India Register And Directory My search results gave me 12 section hits Within these 12 hits were for example: 1.Registry Office Marriage Index 1852-1911 Ecclesiastical records marriages Registry Office Marriage Indexes 2.Bombay Calendar Maritime arrival and departure notices 3. The India Mutiny Medal Roll [ British Forces ]] 1857-1859 I would like to know what to put where in the Add a Master Source frame please ? The important thing about Sources is that they enable you and other people to find the same record that you accessed and recorded. So if, for example, you create an Event for someone who was awarded the India Mutiny Medal and you cite the details given on the Families in British India Website you need to create a Master Source for that Website and include the details of that particular page (The India Mutiny Medal Roll [ British Forces ] 1857-1859) in Source Details or else use The India Mutiny Medal Roll [ British Forces ] 1857-1859 as the Master Source Title and specify the website details in the Publication Details section. Really, you can lay our your Sources anyhow you like. Just imagine you are telling someone else to look up the information and write down what they need to know. Also, I am sure Geoff Rasmussen will have given examples of citing Website sources in his Source Citation tips. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
