Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Debbie Freeman]

Hello Bill,

If I remember right if you have bought the Legacy program on CD you might
also have the basic learning tutorial as well.
There are also Legacy CD's that teach you how to use Legacy. They are very
helpful. Check out the website for more detailed information. And there
could be a Legacy User Group near you. I would contact your local
genealogical society's, genealogical libraries near you and ask if they
could help you locate one.

Good Luck,
Debbie Freeman


On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote:
 I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it difficult to
edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.)
I would like some help.  So, If there are seminars or classes that teach
"HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one in my area?
 Bill McFall




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Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Bill McFall]

Thanks for the offer Maureen.  I'm ke6wxb...@gmail.com  I am such a novice
with Legacy I wonder if I made a good decision (to convert my files from FTM
to Legacy.)  I am really looking for a class that teaches  how to use the
sources when they are already entered, as notes, in some made up format.
This all came from PAF and that was converted from a data base program
written for the Commodore Pet computer back in 1987.


   1. I started  in genealogy to help a friend test his Commodore PET
   software.
   2. I found PAF when I changed from Commodore to IBM (pc) computers.
   3. PAF went through several upgrades and during this time my notes were
   established.  I switched from PAF before ver 2.2 to FTM because of the nice
   charts.
   4. FTM for Windows started on floppy disks)and as it progressed to more
   modern versions, the note "TAGS" were getting in the way of the sources,
   5. Now I am trying to use the "sources" and edit the notes to a narrative
   report so I can print my genealogy with backup and pictures.

As I said before, maybe switching to Legacy wasn't such a good idea; and I
should have stayed with FTM. For some reason, I got the notion in my head
that there were classes and seminars available on the use of Legacy.

I would travel to a seminar but I have not located one so far.

Bill

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Maureen Lake  wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I've lived in Las Vegas for years and have been a Legacy user since version
> 4.  I don't claim to be an expert, but I would be happy to get together off
> list to see if I can help.
>
> Maureen Lake
> Las Vegas, Nevada
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Bill McFall  wrote:
>
> Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars.  Are there ever
> seminars or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of
> Legacy.
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof < 
> spa...@xmission.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>>  From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the "Help Center"
>> and there you go.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim Rosenlof
>>
>> On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote:
>> >  I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it
>> > difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000
>> > names in my files.)   I would like some help.  So, If there are
>> > seminars or classes that teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one
>> > in my area?
>> > Bill McFall
>> > Las Vegas, NV
>> > ke6wxb...@gmail.com 
>> ke6wxb...@gmail.com>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Maureen Lake]

Bill,

I've lived in Las Vegas for years and have been a Legacy user since version 4.  
I don't claim to be an expert, but I would be happy to get together off list to 
see if I can help.

Maureen Lake
Las Vegas, Nevada

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Bill McFall  wrote:

Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars.  Are there ever seminars 
or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of Legacy.
Bill

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof  wrote:
Bill,

 From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the "Help Center"
and there you go.

Regards,
Tim Rosenlof

On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote:
>  I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it
> difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000
> names in my files.)   I would like some help.  So, If there are
> seminars or classes that teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one
> in my area?
> Bill McFall
> Las Vegas, NV
> ke6wxb...@gmail.com 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Bill McFall]

Nice but there is no mention of classes or seminars.  Are there ever
seminars or classes offered (in or near the Las Vegas area) on the use of
Legacy.
Bill

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Tim Rosenlof  wrote:

> Bill,
>
>  From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the "Help Center"
> and there you go.
>
> Regards,
> Tim Rosenlof
>
> On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote:
> >  I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it
> > difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000
> > names in my files.)   I would like some help.  So, If there are
> > seminars or classes that teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one
> > in my area?
> > Bill McFall
> > Las Vegas, NV
> > ke6wxb...@gmail.com 
> >
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RE: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?

[Sherry/Support]

Rich,

It wasn’t that long ago and it had nothing to do with the replies.  We switched 
servers and list software sometime last year, if I remember correctly, and the 
new software didn’t have a digest feature available.

Bev and Rich - just a reminder to send messages in plain text.


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Original Message-

From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?

They got rid of it in the 1990s, because all those answers to the same question 
carried 20-30 pages of answers most duplicated multiple times. If I remember, 
on one day it was over 800 pages, and I was on slow dialup. I had to got to the 
local library to read them because my PC could handle the volume. It was out of 
control.
Rich in LA CA


--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bev Aylor  wrote:

From: Bev Aylor 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:33 PM
Is there a digest mode for LUG?  I am getting so many emails several times a 
day, it would be great if they would come in a digest.  If there is one, how do 
I switch?

After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I 
am a babe in the woods with Legacy.  I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this 
group.  I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question 
regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric.  I'll jump in soon.

Thanks.

Bev




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RE: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Sherry/Support]

By looking at the locations for the surrounding events - i.e., if the first 
child was born in Spokane, WA, it's quite possible the marriage was in that 
area.

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-Original Message-
From: Jan Roberts [mailto:poo...@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

I can understand how it would calculate possible dates - but locations??

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:12
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

Tom Element wrote:
> Hello
>
> As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
> Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, -> 'Research Guidance' , ->
> 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
> this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:
>
> Mary Ryan (194)
> b. <1814>, 
> d. Aft 1868, 
>
> The < > brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
> somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
> best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't
> figure
> it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.
>
> It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives
>
> TIA
> Tom Element

Tom,

I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of
marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc.

Ron Ferguson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

They got rid of it in the 1990s, because all those answers to the same question 
carried 20-30 pages of answers most duplicated multiple times. If I remember, 
on one day it was over 800 pages, and I was on slow dialup. I had to got to the 
local library to read them because my PC could handle the volume. It was out of 
control.
Rich in LA CA
 

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bev Aylor  wrote:


From: Bev Aylor 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Digest mode available?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 5:33 PM





Is there a digest mode for LUG?  I am getting so many emails several times a 
day, it would be great if they would come in a digest.  If there is one, how do 
I switch? 
 
After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I 
am a babe in the woods with Legacy.  I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this 
group.  I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question 
regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric.  I'll jump in soon.
 
Thanks.
 
Bev

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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Another possibility is that the LDS uses <> to mean 'about' (dates) 'near' 
(places), but how the computer created those 'facts'  would require more 
information but I am not asking. I would mark them unsubstantiated. A different 
relative may be in a DB and that one says the above stuff. Or maybe it 
'profiled' that most people surnamed Ryan are British, and more specific are 
Irish. All mine are. It doesn't matter. Ignore it or use it as a tool to find 
better stuff.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Tom Element  wrote:


From: Tom Element 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:04 PM


Thanks, Ron and Jan, for the replies.  The < > brackets probably mean unchecked 
or unverified data I suppose; that's what I used in my own database.  Yet one 
of the persons I looked at had an exact date of death, day, month & year which 
was the same day as the birth data.  That cannot be just an estimate, like most 
males marry at age 25 years so 'guess' the year.  Then again, others I've 
looked at have the marriage year as one year prior to the 1st child's birth, 
and a man's birth year as 25 years before his marriage year etc.  Locations may 
be being presumed from where the person married.

There is possibly more to know about this and maybe someone can add to our pool 
of knowledge. 

Regards
Tom

On 9/06/2010 12:11 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Tom Element wrote:

Hello

As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, -> 'Research Guidance' , ->
'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:

Mary Ryan (194)
b. <1814>, 
d. Aft 1868, 

The < > brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't
figure
it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.

It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives

TIA
Tom Element
Tom,

I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of
marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc.

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Tom Element]

Just been looking for more possible answers.  In Help ->Search -> typed
in 'Brackets' & one item on the list displayed was 'non-qualifying
Comments'.  It appears the LDS uses these brackets to indicate what is
'possible' or 'usual' or what can reasonably be expected.

I have to presume that's what's happening here, as Ron suggested.

Regards
Tom

On 9/06/2010 12:27 PM, Jan Roberts wrote:
> I can understand how it would calculate possible dates - but locations??
>
> Cheers
> Jan
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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Tom Element]

Thanks, Ron and Jan, for the replies.  The < > brackets probably mean
unchecked or unverified data I suppose; that's what I used in my own
database.  Yet one of the persons I looked at had an exact date of
death, day, month & year which was the same day as the birth data.  That
cannot be just an estimate, like most males marry at age 25 years so
'guess' the year.  Then again, others I've looked at have the marriage
year as one year prior to the 1st child's birth, and a man's birth year
as 25 years before his marriage year etc.  Locations may be being
presumed from where the person married.

There is possibly more to know about this and maybe someone can add to
our pool of knowledge.

Regards
Tom

On 9/06/2010 12:11 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
> Tom Element wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
>> Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, ->  'Research Guidance' , ->
>> 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
>> this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:
>>
>> Mary Ryan (194)
>> b.<1814>,
>> d. Aft 1868,
>>
>> The<  >  brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
>> somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
>> best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't
>> figure
>> it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.
>>
>> It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives
>>
>> TIA
>> Tom Element
>>
> Tom,
>
> I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of
> marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> _
>
> *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
> http://www.fergys.co.uk
> Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
> And the Fergusons of N.W. England
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>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Jan Roberts]

I can understand how it would calculate possible dates - but locations??

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:12
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

Tom Element wrote:
> Hello
>
> As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
> Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, -> 'Research Guidance' , ->
> 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
> this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:
>
> Mary Ryan (194)
> b. <1814>, 
> d. Aft 1868, 
>
> The < > brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
> somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
> best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't
> figure
> it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.
>
> It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives
>
> TIA
> Tom Element

Tom,

I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of
marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Ron Taylor]

Dennis Kowallek today added some SQL scripts to LTools that can identify and 
tag the phantom marriages.  I used them successfully to find an correct about 
225 of these erroneous marriage records.  I know for certain that most of them 
were not created by a mistaken save of a marriage record but the majority of 
them were from GEDCOM or PAF imports.  I'm glad that Dennis developed scripts 
that aid in removal of these marriages.

One more place that a phantom marriage produces an error can be seen by 
highlighting the non-blank spouse, then clicking "name list" and viewing the 
"family" tab with the blank spouse highlighted.  If the non-blank spouse is 
male then the "Husband List" button will show because there are no female 
spouses.  If the non-blank spouse is female then it still shows the "Husband 
List" button even though there is no record for a husband.

I hope that Millenia makes the improvements that Brian has suggested.  One more 
that has always been annoying is changes to the notes during a merge followed 
by "skip" or "not duplicates" or "close".  The notes changes are saved 
immediately instead of waiting until the "merge" is clicked.
Ron Taylor

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian L. Lightfoot  wrote:

> From: Brian L. Lightfoot 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 7:19 PM
> I agree that Legacy is not
> "accountable"; I'm just trying to make it appear so that
> some users don't get the wrong impression when their reports
> start spitting out strange information (all due to the
> user's carelessness). Regardless, Legacy will surely get the
> blame from them. How does that saying go...garbage in,
> garbage out.
>
> That being said, let's go ahead and see if Legacy is even
> consistent in this not-accountable-for-user-carelessness.
>
> Open up a Notes Window for any individual. Make sure there
> is nothing entered or visible in the notes window. Now,
> let's carelessly click on SAVE.
>
> Did Legacy go ahead a save a blank note record? No! The
> Notes Icon still remains grayed out meaning there is nothing
> there. Legacy was smart enough to realize that the user did
> not type anything in the window and even though SAVE was
> clicked, Legacy did not create any file data. Why does it
> create something out of nothing if that window happens to be
> the Marriage Info window?
>
> This is not an earth-shattering event in the overall use of
> Legacy. I just think it's some programming code that can be
> cleaned up to make for a better user experience with the
> program.
>
> Brian in CA
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:31 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children
> have Unknown
> > Spouse
> >
> > Brian L. Lightfoot wrote
> > >You missed the part of the thread wherein it was
> mentioned
> > accidentally
> > >or un-intentionally.
> >
> > I didn't.  I just don't think Legacy should be
> accountable for every
> > accidental or unintentional act of the User. 
> It's easy enough to see
> > that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name
> in Child List,
> > Spouse icon lit up.
> > --
> > Jenny M Benson
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Ron Ferguson]

Tom Element wrote:
> Hello
>
> As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
> Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, -> 'Research Guidance' , ->
> 'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
> this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:
>
> Mary Ryan (194)
> b. <1814>, 
> d. Aft 1868, 
>
> The < > brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
> somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
> best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't
> figure
> it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.
>
> It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives
>
> TIA
> Tom Element

Tom,

I think it means calculated from data within your database eg. date of
marriage, birth of children, expected life span etc.

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[LegacyUG] Research Guidance

[Tom Element]

Hello

As I've been off-line for a while I'm discovering new things!
Selecting a person on 'Family' tab, -> 'Research Guidance' , ->
'Suggested Sources' opens the 'Research Guidance' window.  Top left of
this window has the selected persons name and some data, for example:

Mary Ryan (194)
b. <1814>, 
d. Aft 1868, 

The < > brackets show data not on my database so it must come from
somewhere within the Legacy system, but where?  Can anyone tell me the
best way to establish where this data comes from?  So far I can't figure
it out unless I go through all the suggestions for research listed.

It's not mentioned in 'Help' nor could I find it in Archives

TIA
Tom Element




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Connie,

I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it
(I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with
people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing
systems.

In my previous post I said:

>> There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be
>> clear, accurate, concise
>> and reproducable by others.

Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website -
I have removed the html styling):

"Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec
quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register
Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD,
England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009."

Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie.
others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one
is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what "(N.p.: n.p.,
n.d.), " means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is
attached to an Event with these details in it.

Please don't post to tell me how to improve it,  since that is my intention,
but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now.
Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose,
usually I have less detail, just the basics.

Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be
honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using
Source writer to consider reverting back.

Ron Ferguson
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Connie Sheets wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post
> should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach.  It's
> just not for me in all circumstances.  One of the things I love about
> Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs
> of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are
> moderate on the issue.
>
> Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I
> have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source
> citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue.
>
> Connie
>
>
> Ron Ferguson  wrote:
>
>> Connie,
>>
>> I do not recognise the word "correct" in this context.
>> There is no standard
>> wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear,
>> accurate, concise
>> and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very
>> strong advocate of
>> sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of
>> sourcing on this list
>> especially when it comes down to dotting "i's"and crossing
>> "t's" - no
>> interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that
>> Facebook does store
>> the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty
>> well inaccessible.
>>
>> BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that),
>> but was trying to
>> keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question
>> and not mine!




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I agree that Legacy is not "accountable"; I'm just trying to make it appear so 
that some users don't get the wrong impression when their reports start 
spitting out strange information (all due to the user's carelessness). 
Regardless, Legacy will surely get the blame from them. How does that saying 
go...garbage in, garbage out.

That being said, let's go ahead and see if Legacy is even consistent in this 
not-accountable-for-user-carelessness.

Open up a Notes Window for any individual. Make sure there is nothing entered 
or visible in the notes window. Now, let's carelessly click on SAVE.

Did Legacy go ahead a save a blank note record? No! The Notes Icon still 
remains grayed out meaning there is nothing there. Legacy was smart enough to 
realize that the user did not type anything in the window and even though SAVE 
was clicked, Legacy did not create any file data. Why does it create something 
out of nothing if that window happens to be the Marriage Info window?

This is not an earth-shattering event in the overall use of Legacy. I just 
think it's some programming code that can be cleaned up to make for a better 
user experience with the program.

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown
> Spouse
>
> Brian L. Lightfoot wrote
> >You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned
> accidentally
> >or un-intentionally.
>
> I didn't.  I just don't think Legacy should be accountable for every
> accidental or unintentional act of the User.  It's easy enough to see
> that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name in Child List,
> Spouse icon lit up.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL

[Jackie King]

Citing the long URL also doesn't help if it is a dynamic url which some
database websites use. Next time you do the same search, it will be a
different URL.

Cheers,

Jackie

Ron Ferguson wrote:
> Howland,
>
> You give too little information to be certain. The main URL is that of the
> Home Page (often ~/index.html). It is the main URL because it should always
> have the same name. Take my site http://www.fergys.co.uk/index.php is my
> Home page but I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it
> as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for
> "index". Not including "index.html" means that you can change the extension
> of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to
> php a while back).
>
> Now if the page on which the detail I am citing is, say, my own page in the
> pedigree pages on the above site then the URL is
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/1.php.  Unlike the main URL this can
> change, for example I may change the folder in which I hold my pedigree
> pages, in which case the URL would fail and you would be taken to an Error
> Page.
>
> So, to accurately state a URL it is necessary to cite both the main URL and
> the page URL, the former so that if the latter fails one can search from the
> Home Page. Doesn't help if the page has been deleted though 
>
> Ron Ferguson
> _
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> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
> And the Fergusons of N.W. England
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: howlanddavi...@aol.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: 08 June 2010 22:22
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Main URL
>
>
> In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the
> main URL.  If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html
> , is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something
> else?  I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but
> what are your thoughts on what the main URL is?
>
> Howland Davis
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Ron,

I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post  should be 
interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach.  It's just not for me in 
all circumstances.  One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility 
and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and 
those of us who think we are moderate on the issue.

Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned 
from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for 
those who may wish to pursue that avenue.

Connie


Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> Connie,
>
> I do not recognise the word "correct" in this context.
> There is no standard
> wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear,
> accurate, concise
> and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very
> strong advocate of
> sourcing,  I do not get involved in the details of
> sourcing on this list
> especially when it comes down to dotting "i's"and crossing
> "t's" - no
> interest at all I'm afraid!  BTW. I would imagine that
> Facebook does store
> the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty
> well inaccessible.
>
> BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that),
> but was trying to
> keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question
> and not mine!
>












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[LegacyUG] Digest mode available?

[Bev Aylor]

Is there a digest mode for LUG?  I am getting so many emails several times a 
day, it would be great if they would come in a digest.  If there is one, how do 
I switch?

After reading all these messages, questions and answers, I'm finding out that I 
am a babe in the woods with Legacy.  I'm not sure if I can be an asset to this 
group.  I am learning a lot in just a couple of days thomy big question 
regarding the generation of a book seems sophmoric.  I'll jump in soon.

Thanks.

Bev


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Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 00:35:59 +0100, "Ron Ferguson"
 wrote:

>I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it
>as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for
>"index". Not including "index.html" means that you can change the extension
>of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to
>php a while back).

Putting my nerd's hat on...

I don't think this is a function of the browser (but who knows how they
have been coded). There is actually a directive in Apache's httpd.conf
for this:

DirectoryIndex index.htm index.html index.shtml index.php

So whenever a request is made to a web server directory sans filename,
the server will try to serve the page using the DirectoryIndex
directive.

In other words, it is server dependent. For all I know, servers in a
non-English speaking country might use their word for "index" in the
directive.

But to keep this on topic, I would recommend doing as Ron suggests ...
use http://www.fergys.co.uk/. And if the page is in a sub-directory, use
http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/ without the sub-directory's index
page (assuming there is one).

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Linda,

I'm not sure Facebook existed when Evidence Explained was written.

Facebook is a website, is it not?  EE contains multiple examples of how to cite 
websites.  They all generally follow the same pattern.

Perhaps the closest example to Facebook would be her discussion of blogs on pp. 
811-812.  See also p. 49 for her discussion of "personal knowledge," as well as 
the "W" section of the index which refers you to pp. 657 and 787-788 for 
website examples.

I use her separate publication, a laminated 4 page "Quicksheet Citing Online 
Historical Resources Evidence! Style" most often for websites, as the 
information she discusses there is easier/quicker to access, and perhaps easier 
to understand.  In that publication, under the Basic Principles section, it 
states:

"A website is the online equivalent of a book...websites that offer multiple 
items (databases, articles, etc.) are the online equivalent of books with 
independent chapters by different authors."  I can't quote more without 
potentially violating her copyright, but I will say that it is clear she 
recommends treating such websites in the following manner for the first 
reference note:

ITEM AUTHOR (if known)
ITEM TITLE (in quotes)
WEBSITE CREATOR OR OWNER (if known)
WEBSITE TITLE (in italics)
URL
DATE
DETAIL (if applicable)

Compare this format to Scott's original example, or the example at the bottom 
of p. 812 of EE that begins with the name Leland Meitzler, and I think you will 
see why I said Scott's example was the "correct" way to cite it (although as I 
said in my previous post, I might add detail/comment at the end depending upon 
what specifically he is citing from Facebook).

I realize there are red letters on the Legacy Internet template warning us it 
is generic and maybe we should use another template, but I think that often 
causes unnecessary confusion.

There are frequent posts on this list asking what template to use to cite 
websites.  My answer almost invariably is, cite them for what they are, a 
website.  Just like we'd cite a book as a book.

Hope this helps!

Connie


--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley  wrote:


> Connie,
> Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I
> wasn't able
> to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the
> book.
>
> Thanks,
> Linda M.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL

[Ron Ferguson]

Jenny M Benson wrote:
>   wrote
>> In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in
>> the main URL. If my entire URL is
>> http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in
>> or do I write in only to the first / or something else? I know that
>> I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are
>> your thoughts on what the main URL is?
>
> Strictly speaking, for the URL you give, the "main URL" is
>
> http://www.seacoastngh.com
>
> which will take you to the homepage of the website.
>
> In practice, whether or not I actually give the main URL or one for a
> specific page rather depends on a few factors.  When using, say, The
> Times Digital Archive the page URL for any particular article is
> horrendously long, so I use the main one.  I use the main one for big
> cites with good menus/indexes such as Ancestry.  But for
> "multi-purpose" sites - for example, a family's website or village
> website which includes a section on genealogy as well as sections on
> numerous unrelated topics - I will give the URL of the actual page or
> of the introductory page for the relevant section.

Jenny,

With respect that is not necessarily accurate, I haven't looked at the site
so I don't actually know. I have a site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/index.html, the main URL is not
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ this will just give you an error. Many host
sites which people use have as the stem ~/yourname/.

I tend to do the same as you with sites such as Ancestry, although I suppose
I could use a tinyurl or bit.ly, but then maybe I'm a tad lazy!

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL

[Ron Ferguson]

Howland,

You give too little information to be certain. The main URL is that of the
Home Page (often ~/index.html). It is the main URL because it should always
have the same name. Take my site http://www.fergys.co.uk/index.php is my
Home page but I would express it as http://www.fergys.co.uk/ when using it
as the URL for the main page, because a browser will always look for
"index". Not including "index.html" means that you can change the extension
of the Home page and the link will still work (I changed mine from html to
php a while back).

Now if the page on which the detail I am citing is, say, my own page in the
pedigree pages on the above site then the URL is
http://www.fergys.co.uk/genealogy/1.php.  Unlike the main URL this can
change, for example I may change the folder in which I hold my pedigree
pages, in which case the URL would fail and you would be taken to an Error
Page.

So, to accurately state a URL it is necessary to cite both the main URL and
the page URL, the former so that if the latter fails one can search from the
Home Page. Doesn't help if the page has been deleted though 

Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message -
From: howlanddavi...@aol.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 08 June 2010 22:22
Subject: [LegacyUG] Main URL


In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in the
main URL.  If my entire URL is http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html
, is that what I put in or do I write in only to the first / or something
else?  I know that I can put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but
what are your thoughts on what the main URL is?

Howland Davis




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Jenny M Benson]

Brian L. Lightfoot wrote
>You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally
>or un-intentionally.

I didn't.  I just don't think Legacy should be accountable for every
accidental or unintentional act of the User.  It's easy enough to see
that a person has a marriage - symbol after the name in Child List,
Spouse icon lit up.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Connie,

I do not recognise the word "correct" in this context. There is no standard
wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise
and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of
sourcing,  I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list
especially when it comes down to dotting "i's"and crossing "t's" - no
interest at all I'm afraid!  BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store
the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible.

BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to
keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine!

Ron Ferguson
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Connie Sheets wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he
> posted would be the "correct" format, and that if he uses the
> database template, he can't erase the word "database" from the
> citation output.
>
> Or so I interpret.
>
> Connie
>
> --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
>
>> From: Ron Ferguson 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM
>> Scott,
>>
>> There are fields there for "Website Creator" and "Website
>> Title". Have you
>> looked at the "Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what
>> it *should* look
>> like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do
>> I know what is
>> meant by "I can't seem to permanently clear the Format
>> field, which is not
>> needed".
>>
>> On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the
>> output. Just fill
>> in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you
>> require. It doesn't
>> matter what the field name says, in my view.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Main URL

[Jenny M Benson]

  wrote
>In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am asked to put in
>the main URL.  If my entire URL is
>http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html , is that what I put in or
>do I write in only to the first / or something else?  I know that I can
>put in whatever I want but be consistent, etc., but what are your
>thoughts on what the main URL is?

Strictly speaking, for the URL you give, the "main URL" is

http://www.seacoastngh.com

which will take you to the homepage of the website.

In practice, whether or not I actually give the main URL or one for a
specific page rather depends on a few factors.  When using, say, The
Times Digital Archive the page URL for any particular article is
horrendously long, so I use the main one.  I use the main one for big
cites with good menus/indexes such as Ancestry.  But for "multi-purpose"
sites - for example, a family's website or village website which
includes a section on genealogy as well as sections on numerous
unrelated topics - I will give the URL of the actual page or of the
introductory page for the relevant section.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Linda McCauley]

Connie,
Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I wasn't able
to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the book.

Thanks,
Linda M.


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Connie Sheets  wrote:
> Linda,
>
> You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those 
> of us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make 
> up on her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of 
> Style and earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation format is what 
> Scott originally posted, to wit:
>
> "Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?
>
> Barack Obama, "Barack Obama," *Facebook*
> (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)
>
> Obama, Barack.  "Barack Obama" *Facebook*.
> http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010"
>
> Depending upon the nature of the data that is being referenced, I might add a 
> comment at the end of this citation that the information appears to be based 
> upon Mr. Obama's personal recollection of the event (or whatever other 
> comment would be appropriate).
>
> Connie
>
> --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley  wrote:
>
>> From: Linda McCauley 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 PM
>> Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step
>> further - I think I would source
>> information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the
>> person who
>> posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation
>> details that
>> it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's
>> information
>> about that person or their family that they actually have
>> personal
>> knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably
>> know then I
>> wouldn't use it.)
>>
>> To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they
>> used to
>> provide the information.
>>
>> Linda M.
>>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

You missed the part of the thread wherein it was mentioned accidentally or 
un-intentionally.

And as I've added, perhaps 6 months later the user prints out a report that 
says this 4 year old child "married somebody". The user goes "Huh?", looks at 
the Family View for the young child and see no mention of a spouse and no 
information about a marriage. The user thinks Legacy must be buggy.

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-
> From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 1:36 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown
> Spouse
>

> But you're not doing nothing.  You're clicking Save which is a positive
> action.  If you want to get out without appearing to have done anything
> you need to use Cancel.
> --
> Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List

[Mike Fry]

On 2010/06/08 22:39, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> Tim Rosenlof wrote
>> While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between
>> 'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to
>> produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, .
>> . What am I missing ?
>
> The former causes Legacy to go off and check for Problems, before
> presenting them to you in a list.  The latter just presents the list of
> problems that were created last time you used the first button and the
> list doesn't include any problems which have arisen since then.

Or, exclude any that you may have fixed :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Linda,

You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those of 
us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make up on 
her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of Style and 
earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation format is what Scott 
originally posted, to wit:

"Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?

Barack Obama, "Barack Obama," *Facebook*
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)

Obama, Barack.  "Barack Obama" *Facebook*.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010"

Depending upon the nature of the data that is being referenced, I might add a 
comment at the end of this citation that the information appears to be based 
upon Mr. Obama's personal recollection of the event (or whatever other comment 
would be appropriate).

Connie

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley  wrote:

> From: Linda McCauley 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 PM
> Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step
> further - I think I would source
> information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the
> person who
> posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation
> details that
> it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's
> information
> about that person or their family that they actually have
> personal
> knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably
> know then I
> wouldn't use it.)
>
> To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they
> used to
> provide the information.
>
> Linda M.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating

[dennis gelpe]

Thank you.

Dennis

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Sherry/Support
 wrote:
> Not the Home *button*.  Click on the Legacy Home *TAB* - it's on the far left 
> of the row of tabs.
>
> On the Legacy Home *tab*, you'll see an Updates section, where you click on 
> the link to update Legacy.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: dennis gelpe [mailto:gelpeleg...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:40 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating
>
> The latest Legacy News informs us of the latest update. I have V7
> Deluxe, so I supposedly should be able to access the update command
> vis the Home button. When I click on this all that happens is either I
> go to the preferred home page, or a message mentioning that appears at
> the bottom of the screen. How do I correct this situation, and update?
>
> Thx
>
> Dennis Gelpe
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Linda McCauley]

Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source
information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who
posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that
it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information
about that person or their family that they actually have personal
knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I
wouldn't use it.)

To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to
provide the information.

Linda M.


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like
> Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different
> databases.  I never use "Ancestry" as a Source - I use the particular
> database within Ancestry.
>
> Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated
> way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data.  I
> think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter.
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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RE: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating

[Sherry/Support]

Not the Home *button*.  Click on the Legacy Home *TAB* - it's on the far left 
of the row of tabs.

On the Legacy Home *tab*, you'll see an Updates section, where you click on the 
link to update Legacy.

Thanks for using Legacy.

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We are changing the world of genealogy!

-Original Message-
From: dennis gelpe [mailto:gelpeleg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating

The latest Legacy News informs us of the latest update. I have V7
Deluxe, so I supposedly should be able to access the update command
vis the Home button. When I click on this all that happens is either I
go to the preferred home page, or a message mentioning that appears at
the bottom of the screen. How do I correct this situation, and update?

Thx

Dennis Gelpe




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[LegacyUG] Home button doesn't work for updating

[dennis gelpe]

The latest Legacy News informs us of the latest update. I have V7
Deluxe, so I supposedly should be able to access the update command
vis the Home button. When I click on this all that happens is either I
go to the preferred home page, or a message mentioning that appears at
the bottom of the screen. How do I correct this situation, and update?

Thx

Dennis Gelpe



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Fw: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Bain Family]

 I, too converted from FTM to Legacy.  The Video Training DVDs were a
tremendous help for me to learn the sourcing procedure.

 Lana

> From: Bill McFall
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
>
>
> I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it difficult
> to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my
> files.) I would like some help.  So, If there are seminars or classes that
> teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one in my area?
>
> Bill McFall
> Las Vegas, NV
> ke6wxb...@gmail.com
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[LegacyUG] Main URL

[HowlandDavisII]

In using SourceWriter and sourcing a web site, I am  asked to put in the
main URL.  If my entire URL is _http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html_
(http://www.seacoastnh.com/women/thaxter.html)   , is that what I put in or
do I write in only to the first / or something  else?  I know that I can put
in whatever I want but be consistent, etc.,  but what are your thoughts on
what the main URL is?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Jenny M Benson  wrote:

> I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is
> quite *un*like
> Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various
> different
> databases.  I never use "Ancestry" as a Source - I use
> the particular
> database within Ancestry.
>
> Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the
> same separated
> way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set
> of data.  I
> think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme
> splitter.

Jenny,

Each of the millions of participants on Facebook in effect creates his own 
database or website, hence my analogy.  I also consider myself "middle of the 
road" as far as lumping or splitting, but the point I was trying to make is 
that Scott would have to think of Barack Obama's page on Facebook (or anyone's 
page on Facebook) as though it were the website (instead of Facebook as the 
website) if he wants to duplicate exactly the citation he posted using the 
Internet>Website>Generic template.

There may be another template that would work with more tweaking, but in my 
opinion, that template is the easiest way to do it.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

On the main Legacy webpage, under User Groups, all the current groups and the 
address they meet at are listed. If you want to start one, telling support will 
get you listed. (I'm in Burbank, CA) If you want help starting one, talk to me 
off list or the staff about what to do.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Bill McFall  wrote:


From: Bill McFall 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Seminars?
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:40 AM



 I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it difficult to 
edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my files.)   
I would like some help.  So, If there are seminars or classes that teach "HOW 
TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one in my area?
 
Bill McFall 
Las Vegas, NV
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Because Legacy creates for the screen only, a person 'named Unknown', you can 
find them all quickly. Go to Marr List, choose either the column for husband or 
wife, hit the button 'first', and all the empty people show up alphabetically 
in front of the letter 'A', which helps you find those that are missing, or 
need more research. If you have entered 'Unknown' in the name field, that 
person will show up in the letter 'U' instead. You may need to check both first 
name and surname for each sex to find all. You can also tag on them for future 
work. This way you don't need to add numbers to names or other workarounds.
This way you can FIND all, and decide what to do about it. I found I had some 
marriages with 'blank' and 'blank' as spouses, which I deleted the meaningless 
(to me) record.
Hope this hels
Rich in LA CA


--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Brian L. Lightfoot  wrote:

> From: Brian L. Lightfoot 
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 AM
> For some reason, Ron's message never
> came through to me. But to answer his request that I make it
> a suggestion, I've already done so. When I accidentally
> attempt to crop a picture in Photoshop without selecting an
> area, Photoshop is smart enough to bring up a window that
> says "No Pixels Selected". I should think that Legacy should
> be smart enough to realize that the user has not entered any
> data whatsoever about a marriage yet is requesting a SAVE
> operation. Legacy should bring up a window saying something
> along the lines of "No data has been entered but a marriage
> link is about to be created --- CONTINUE or CANCEL." (Note
> that this should only appear when there is no data entered
> at all.)
>
> And to answer Evert's remarks about using different names
> or initials for the "unknown persons". That's a good idea if
> there really is a person in your file with a name of
> "Unknown". But that's one of the problems with the
> accidental creation of a marriage link --- No person with
> the name "unknown" is created. In fact, no person is created
> at all. There is no additional person added to the Name List
> and there is no additional "Unknown" created. It's a problem
> of the creation of a marriage link only and not of a unknown
> person. There are probably many users who have these "ghost
> marriages" yet they have no "Unknown" names in their Name
> List. There is no name or RIN created thus Legacy uses the
> term "someone" whenever certain types of reports are
> created. To my knowledge, that is the only way of finding
> out about such "ghost marriages" assuming that the user has
> turned off the special symbol display on the Family View or
> doesn't know what the special symbol alongside the name
> means.
>
> Brian in CA
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Evert van Dijken [mailto:evandij...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:03 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children
> have Unknown
> > Spouse
> >
> > That's why I always use N.N. N.N. (others use
> different names i.e.
> > [.?.] ) for an unknown person so any Unknowns in the
> Marriage list (or
> > Name list) could be ghost spouses (or
> individuals)  and should be
> > checked.
> > Evert
> >
> > 2010/6/8 Ron Ferguson :
> > > Brian,
> > >
> > > No, I do not consider it to be a bug. I have
> known that it happens
> > for
> > > years, and from time to time we get these "ghost"
> marriages cropping
> > up on
> > > LUG. BTW on my setup, in the case of a multiple
> marriage, spotting it
> > would
> > > be even more difficult than you suggest as I do
> not "X married
> > somone",
> > > simply "X married". So I am very careful with the
> Marriage Screen!!
> > >
> > > I have wondered, on and off, for a long time how
> this might be
> > changed, but
> > > cannot come up with anything because Legacy
> allows a spouse to be
> > blank, and
> > > I want it to stay that way.  If you can make
> a suggestion why not
> > submit it
> > > as an enhancement?
> > >
> > > Ron Ferguson
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Jenny M Benson]

Connie Sheets wrote
>That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the
>same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for
>websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider
>Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts
>of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of
>citation).

I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like
Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different
databases.  I never use "Ancestry" as a Source - I use the particular
database within Ancestry.

Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated
way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data.  I
think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Robert Carneal USA]

Emphasis:
It would be a great help to have an option to have the RINs and the
User ID's visible.

Well, we have that now. In the Name List, on the left side are some
numbers. They are the RINs. You can change that to the User ID by
clicking on Options >> "Show User ID in List." there isn't a way to
show both at the same time though.

I have a lot of James Carneals. For me, adding the birth year and
death year to the name helps me to zero in which James Carneal is which one.

Thanks.

Robert



At 2010-06-08  02:56 PM, you wrote:
>That was my conclusion.  I use the "Name List" a lot, and it is
>confusing with so many duplicate names.  I keep the "Detail" option
>open, which helps to see the parents, spouse etc.   It would be a
>great help to have an option to have the RINs and the User ID's visible.
>Thanks,
>Syble
>--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Jenny M Benson  wrote:
>
>From: Jenny M Benson 
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:45 AM
>
>Ron Ferguson wrote
> >
> >They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab.
>
>Only for the Individual highlighted, thought.  For the list itself there
>is only the option of RIN *or* UserID.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Ron,

Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would 
be the "correct" format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't 
erase the word "database" from the citation output.

Or so I interpret.

Connie

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> From: Ron Ferguson 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM
> Scott,
>
> There are fields there for "Website Creator" and "Website
> Title". Have you
> looked at the "Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what
> it *should* look
> like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do
> I know what is
> meant by "I can't seem to permanently clear the Format
> field, which is not
> needed".
>
> On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the
> output. Just fill
> in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you
> require. It doesn't
> matter what the field name says, in my view.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Scott,

Ron's suggestion will provide you with exactly the citation format you are 
seeking, however, you will need to have a separate master source for Barack 
Obama's page, another for Sarah Palin's page, etc.

That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same 
sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like 
Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in 
that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting 
into smaller parts for purposes of citation).  However, some will consider it 
extreme splitting and therefore unacceptable.  I consider the alternative 
extreme lumping and unacceptable.

Your mileage may vary, in which case you could still use the template Ron 
suggested but put "Barack Obama" in the Item of Interest section of source 
detail.

Connie

Scott Hall  wrote:

> Ron:
>
> Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you
> reference the
> specific page you were on?  The generic internet
> template only
> includes source information for the website as a
> whole.  There isn't
> really anyplace to properly source the page used. 
> I've tried to use
> the "Database" template, but I can't seem to permanently
> clear the
> Format field, which is not needed.
>
> Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by
> *)?
>
> Barack Obama, "Barack Obama," *Facebook*
> (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama :
> accessed 8 June 2010)
>
> Obama, Barack.  "Barack Obama" *Facebook*.
> http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama :
> 2010
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson 
> wrote:
> > Scott Hall wrote:
> >> Anyone have a citation they can provide for
> information obtained from
> >> Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?
>  What does your citation
> >> look like?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Scott







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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List

[Jenny M Benson]

Tim Rosenlof wrote
>While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between
>'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to
>produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, .
>. What am I missing ?

The former causes Legacy to go off and check for Problems, before
presenting them to you in a list.  The latter just presents the list of
problems that were created last time you used the first button and the
list doesn't include any problems which have arisen since then.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Jenny M Benson]

Michael C. Morrison wrote
>I concur with Brian's suggestion:
>
>"warn the user that no data exists but it will create a marriage link
>-- Continue or Cancel."
>
>Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something.

But you're not doing nothing.  You're clicking Save which is a positive
action.  If you want to get out without appearing to have done anything
you need to use Cancel.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Scott,

There are fields there for "Website Creator" and "Website Title". Have you
looked at the "Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look
like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is
meant by "I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not
needed".

On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill
in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't
matter what the field name says, in my view.

Ron Ferguson
 _

*New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
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And the Fergusons of N.W. England




Scott Hall wrote:
> Ron:
>
> Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you reference the
> specific page you were on?  The generic internet template only
> includes source information for the website as a whole.  There isn't
> really anyplace to properly source the page used.  I've tried to use
> the "Database" template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the
> Format field, which is not needed.
>
> Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?
>
> Barack Obama, "Barack Obama," *Facebook*
> (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)
>
> Obama, Barack.  "Barack Obama" *Facebook*.
> http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson
>  wrote:
>> Scott Hall wrote:
>>> Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained
>>> from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your
>>> citation look like?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> Internet>website>Generic
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>> _
>>
>> *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk
>> Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
>> And the Fergusons of N.W. England
>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

>On 6/6/2010 3:12 PM, Syble Glasscock wrote:
>> I have a book that I use as a source many times in my family history,
>> the author researched all of our family surname in a particular state
>> from 1750 to 1860. He has a identifying number on each person. There are
>> so many duplicate names, I use this number often as I research this book
>> and add information to my Legacy file.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I could add this number for
>> the corresponding person in my Legacy files? It would be so helpful if I
>> could see at a glance that I'm adding information on the correct person.

You might also consider adding a custom Event Type (marked as private)
called something like "'s ID" and adding Events for these
individuals. You can show the Event on the Family View screen so you can
see it at a glance without having to open the Individual Info screen.

Just one more option.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Syble Glasscock]

That was my conclusion.  I use the "Name List" a lot, and it is confusing with 
so many duplicate names.  I keep the "Detail" option open, which helps to see 
the parents, spouse etc.   It would be a great help to have an option to 
have the RINs and the User ID's visible.
Thanks,
Syble
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Jenny M Benson  wrote:


From: Jenny M Benson 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 11:45 AM


Ron Ferguson wrote
>
>They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab.

Only for the Individual highlighted, thought.  For the list itself there
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Scott Hall]

Ron:

Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you reference the
specific page you were on?  The generic internet template only
includes source information for the website as a whole.  There isn't
really anyplace to properly source the page used.  I've tried to use
the "Database" template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the
Format field, which is not needed.

Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?

Barack Obama, "Barack Obama," *Facebook*
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)

Obama, Barack.  "Barack Obama" *Facebook*.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010

Thanks,
Scott



On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
> Scott Hall wrote:
>> Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from
>> Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?  What does your citation
>> look like?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>
> Scott,
>
> Internet>website>Generic
>
> Ron Ferguson
> _
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Ron Ferguson]

Mike,

As I tried to explain, there is a difference in Legacy and that Legacy
*must* create a blank/unknown record for a spouse/partner if a child is
entered. You comparison with clicking a cell in Excel is, therefore, in my
opinion invalid.

Any change to prevent a record being created on clicking the Save button,
must not override an essential record created because of the existence of a
child. So what is really required is an instruction such as "don't change
the current status".

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Michael C. Morrison wrote:
> Maybe we're dealing with semantics here. A record to me would include
> the addition of an input. If one doesn't add an input then there
> shouldn't be a record.
>
> If you click on a cell in Excel but don't add anything to the cell and
> then click save one doesn't get a ghost record/observation.  The same
> thing happens in my favorite statistics program (Stata). Or, in word
> processing if one creates a table and then clicks on a cell in the
> table but you don't add anything to that cell and then click save you
> don't get a ghost input.
>
> The advantage of software programs that follow similar logic increases
> efficency and accuracy. I really like Legacy but I think in this case
> Legacy is not following customary practices in the industry. Brian had
> it right -- it's any easy addition to a marvelous program.  My humble
> opinion :-)
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 12:20 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:
>> You are right, "Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something" -
>> the problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you
>> created a record.  If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the
>> creation of a record.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison
>> mailto:morri...@niacc.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> I concur with Brian's suggestion:
>>
>> "warn the user that no data exists but it will create
>> a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel."
>>
>> Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
>> > The issue is if you click on "Save", Legacy thinks you want to
>> add a marriage.
>> >
>> > When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's
>> always wise to click on "Cancel"
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for using Legacy.
>> >
>> > Sherry
>> > Customer Support
>> > Millennia Corporation
>> > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
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>>  >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Scott Hall wrote:
> Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from
> Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?  What does your citation
> look like?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

Scott,

Internet>website>Generic

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Re: [LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Tim Rosenlof]

Bill,

 From the Legacy web page, use the pull down menu from the "Help Center"
and there you go.

Regards,
Tim Rosenlof

On 6/8/2010 12:40 PM, Bill McFall wrote:
>  I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it
> difficult to edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000
> names in my files.)   I would like some help.  So, If there are
> seminars or classes that teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one
> in my area?
> Bill McFall
> Las Vegas, NV
> ke6wxb...@gmail.com 
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Re: [LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was "Young Children have Unknown Spouse"

[Ron Taylor]

After a bit more thought, I realized that using the pre-defined search 
"Individuals with an unknown spouse" could then be viewed in the search results 
name list under the right hand tab "Family" where those spouses who are unknown 
without any children are easy to see.

Some said that the original memo was not posted, so it is below.

Ron Taylor
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Taylor  wrote:

From: Ron Taylor 
Subject: [LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was "Young Children have Unknown Spouse"
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:29 AM

Actually, un-wanted marriage records can be found for other situations besides 
those mentioned for young children.

A marriage record is always required to connect a child with a parent.  The 
marriage list does show marriages where one or both spouses are unknown, 
meaning the spouse does not have a RIN.  Be sure that Customize>View>Display 
Numbers on Names>On all Name Lists is checked and the radio button for RINs is 
set.  The marriage list shows the word "Unknown" even if you have selected the 
option "(Just leave it blank)" under Customize>Data Format>Word for Blank 
Records.  There will be no RIN next to spouses that are actually blank so these 
Unknowns are distinguished from an individual that has the word Unknown in the 
name field because that record will have a RIN.

It would be great to
 have a built-in search which could find all marriage records where there is a 
blank spouse and there are no children and no data is in the marriage record.  
These are usually marriage records that were added by accident and the user 
will likely want to remove them.  The pre-defined search for "Individuals with 
an unknown spouse" does find individuals with this type marriage but it would 
be more helpful if it found the marriages that satisfy these conditions because 
often the individuals found have other marriages as well as the blank spouse 
type.

Brian offered a very good option possibility when he said...

create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data
>
whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally
>
 and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data
>
 exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel.

That would allow the user a method to avoid adding these un-wanted marriage 
records.  Thanks Brian for proposing your solution.

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[LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Scott Hall]

Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from
Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?  What does your citation
look like?

Thanks,
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[LegacyUG] Seminars?

[Bill McFall]

 I am trying to convert my files from FTM to Legacy.  I find it difficult to
edit the notes and to set up sources. (I have some 4000 names in my
files.)   I would like some help.  So, If there are seminars or classes that
teach "HOW TO USE LEGACY", how do I find one in my area?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem List

[Ron Taylor]

Tim,
Create builds the problem list and lets you view it.
View just re-opens the existing problem list and then lets you view it.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Michael C. Morrison]

Maybe we're dealing with semantics here. A record to me would include
the addition of an input. If one doesn't add an input then there
shouldn't be a record.

If you click on a cell in Excel but don't add anything to the cell and
then click save one doesn't get a ghost record/observation.  The same
thing happens in my favorite statistics program (Stata). Or, in word
processing if one creates a table and then clicks on a cell in the table
but you don't add anything to that cell and then click save you don't
get a ghost input.

The advantage of software programs that follow similar logic increases
efficency and accuracy. I really like Legacy but I think in this case
Legacy is not following customary practices in the industry. Brian had
it right -- it's any easy addition to a marvelous program.  My humble
opinion :-)


Mike


On 6/8/2010 12:20 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:
> You are right, "Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something" -
> the problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you
> created a record.  If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the
> creation of a record.
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison
> mailto:morri...@niacc.edu>> wrote:
>
> I concur with Brian's suggestion:
>
> "warn the user that no data exists but it will create
> a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel."
>
> Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> > The issue is if you click on "Save", Legacy thinks you want to
> add a marriage.
> >
> > When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's
> always wise to click on "Cancel"
> >
> >
> > Thanks for using Legacy.
> >
> > Sherry
> > Customer Support
> > Millennia Corporation
> > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
> >
> > We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
> --
> Ron Bernier
> Woonsocket, RI
>
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[LegacyUG] Potential Problem List

[Tim Rosenlof]

Hi yall,

While in the Potential Problems Dialog, what is the difference between
'Create Problems List' and 'View Existing Problems List' ? They seem to
produce the same output for me, with the options to print, save, .
. What am I missing ?

Regards,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Ron Bernier]

You are right, "Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something" - the
problem is if you click on Save, you have done something, you created a
record.  If you click on Cancel then you have canceled the creation of a
record.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael C. Morrison wrote:

> I concur with Brian's suggestion:
>
> "warn the user that no data exists but it will create
> a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel."
>
> Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> > The issue is if you click on "Save", Legacy thinks you want to add a
> marriage.
> >
> > When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always
> wise to click on "Cancel"
> >
> >
> > Thanks for using Legacy.
> >
> > Sherry
> > Customer Support
> > Millennia Corporation
> > supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
> > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 
> >
> > We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
> --
> Ron Bernier
> Woonsocket, RI
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

And in a perfect world, it's always a good thing to choose your parents wisely.

:-)

Sorry Sherry, I couldn't resist that. Maybe that's the problem with these 
"ghost marriages". Accidents happen. SAVE gets clicked. But the user has no 
idea what just happened. And the solution is not easily discerned.

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:14 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown
> Spouse
>
>
>
> When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always
> wise to click on "Cancel"
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

For some reason, Ron's message never came through to me. But to answer his 
request that I make it a suggestion, I've already done so. When I accidentally 
attempt to crop a picture in Photoshop without selecting an area, Photoshop is 
smart enough to bring up a window that says "No Pixels Selected". I should 
think that Legacy should be smart enough to realize that the user has not 
entered any data whatsoever about a marriage yet is requesting a SAVE 
operation. Legacy should bring up a window saying something along the lines of 
"No data has been entered but a marriage link is about to be created --- 
CONTINUE or CANCEL." (Note that this should only appear when there is no data 
entered at all.)

And to answer Evert's remarks about using different names or initials for the 
"unknown persons". That's a good idea if there really is a person in your file 
with a name of "Unknown". But that's one of the problems with the accidental 
creation of a marriage link --- No person with the name "unknown" is created. 
In fact, no person is created at all. There is no additional person added to 
the Name List and there is no additional "Unknown" created. It's a problem of 
the creation of a marriage link only and not of a unknown person. There are 
probably many users who have these "ghost marriages" yet they have no "Unknown" 
names in their Name List. There is no name or RIN created thus Legacy uses the 
term "someone" whenever certain types of reports are created. To my knowledge, 
that is the only way of finding out about such "ghost marriages" assuming that 
the user has turned off the special symbol display on the Family View or 
doesn't know what the special symbol alongside the name means.

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-
> From: Evert van Dijken [mailto:evandij...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:03 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown
> Spouse
>
> That's why I always use N.N. N.N. (others use different names i.e.
> [.?.] ) for an unknown person so any Unknowns in the Marriage list (or
> Name list) could be ghost spouses (or individuals)  and should be
> checked.
> Evert
>
> 2010/6/8 Ron Ferguson :
> > Brian,
> >
> > No, I do not consider it to be a bug. I have known that it happens
> for
> > years, and from time to time we get these "ghost" marriages cropping
> up on
> > LUG. BTW on my setup, in the case of a multiple marriage, spotting it
> would
> > be even more difficult than you suggest as I do not "X married
> somone",
> > simply "X married". So I am very careful with the Marriage Screen!!
> >
> > I have wondered, on and off, for a long time how this might be
> changed, but
> > cannot come up with anything because Legacy allows a spouse to be
> blank, and
> > I want it to stay that way.  If you can make a suggestion why not
> submit it
> > as an enhancement?
> >
> > Ron Ferguson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Michael C. Morrison]

I concur with Brian's suggestion:

"warn the user that no data exists but it will create
a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel."

Doing nothing shouldn't result in doing something.

Mike




On 6/8/2010 11:13 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> The issue is if you click on "Save", Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage.
>
> When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise 
> to click on "Cancel"
>
>
> Thanks for using Legacy.
>
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
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>
> We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: BMcL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:10 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
>
> Hi Brian - I would not say "bug", but "design weakness" (worthy of review,
> as you are implying).
>
> Cheers, Brett
>
> BMcL Robinson, NZ
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian L. Lightfoot"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse
>
>
> Wow, that's right. I just went to an un-married child, intentionally clicked
> on the Marriage Information window, entered nothing, typed nothing, and
> clicked on nothing other than SAVE. Legacy creates an unknown spouse for
> this person but does not display any name or any other indication of a
> marriage.
>
> In fact, the Family view of the person would continue to look just as it did
> before. And if the user happened to select in the Customization
> (Preferences), Data Format tab, Child List indicators to NOT display the
> special symbols at the ends of names, then they'd have no way of knowing
> that there is an unknown spouse. They would never know this problem exists
> unless they created certain types of reports in which case we'd see the
> infamous "Persons-name married SOMEONE".
>
> And then another problem is that it is difficult for a novice or beginning
> user to figure out how to eliminate this unknown person (actually it's an
> unknown marriage). You can't click on the area where the unknown spouse's
> name would be to edit it becausewell, Legacy won't allow you to edit
> something that doesn't exist. Clicking to open the Marriage Information
> window provides nothing but a blank window. There is nothing to edit, no
> indication that a marriage exists, and no means of telling Legacy that there
> really isn't any marriage.
>
> I can only encourage beginning users to make sure they remember to right
> click on everything and anything. Right clicking on the marriage info brings
> up the desired "Remove the marriage link" option.
>
> But now, my big question. Do the rest of you believe that this is a bug ---
> create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I
> should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly
> clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create
> a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel.
>
> Brian in CA
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>
>
>> Or you might have gone into the Marriage Information window and clicked
>> on "Save" when you closed the window.  That would add an unknown
>> marriage.
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] unknown spouse - was "Young Children have Unknown Spouse"

[Ron Taylor]

Actually, un-wanted marriage records can be found for other situations besides 
those mentioned for young children.

A marriage record is always required to connect a child with a parent.  The 
marriage list does show marriages where one or both spouses are unknown, 
meaning the spouse does not have a RIN.  Be sure that Customize>View>Display 
Numbers on Names>On all Name Lists is checked and the radio button for RINs is 
set.  The marriage list shows the word "Unknown" even if you have selected the 
option "(Just leave it blank)" under Customize>Data Format>Word for Blank 
Records.  There will be no RIN next to spouses that are actually blank so these 
Unknowns are distinguished from an individual that has the word Unknown in the 
name field because that record will have a RIN.

It would be great to have a built-in search which could find all marriage 
records where there is a blank spouse and there are no children and no data is 
in the marriage record.  These are usually marriage records that were added by 
accident and the user will likely want to remove them.  The pre-defined search 
for "Individuals with an unknown spouse" does find individuals with this type 
marriage but it would be more helpful if it found the marriages that satisfy 
these conditions because often the individuals found have other marriages as 
well as the blank spouse type.

Brian offered a very good option possibility when he said...

create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data
>
whatsoever? I should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally
>
 and unknowingly clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data
>
 exists but it will create a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel.

That would allow the user a method to avoid adding these un-wanted marriage 
records.  Thanks Brian for proposing your solution.

Ron Taylor






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RE: [LegacyUG] Screen Display

[Sherry/Support]

Garry,

Some of the color options are based on Windows settings. Most of them are based 
on Legacy settings. If  you want to send a ticket to 
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com, one of our support techs can work with you to 
solve the problem you're having.

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-Original Message-
From: Garry F Bell [mailto:ga...@woosh.co.nz]
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:36 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Screen Display

Hi from a prospective Legacy User

Legacy has many features which impress me but as I have a vision problem
I am having difficulty with some of it's screen colours.  My problem is
that I am more comfortable viewing white text on black and accordingly
have Windows7 set to High Contrast.

I have downloaded the standard version of Legacy and have changed the
appearance as much as I can from the Colours Option screen,and altho' I
can view most of it comfortably there are still a few minor
problems.which I would like to overcome.  For example one of them is
relates to the Add (daughter) box where the four buttons (Cancel, Help
etc) appear white with no text.  Can I improve on this?

I apologise if this is meaningless to most of you but there may be
someone out there who can understand what I am on about and can assist.

With thanks
Garry




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

[Sherry/Support]

The issue is if you click on "Save", Legacy thinks you want to add a marriage.

When you exit a window without adding or editing any data, it's always wise to 
click on "Cancel"


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-Original Message-
From: BMcL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:10 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse

Hi Brian - I would not say "bug", but "design weakness" (worthy of review,
as you are implying).

Cheers, Brett

BMcL Robinson, NZ

- Original Message -
From: "Brian L. Lightfoot" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.4 -- Young Children have Unknown Spouse


Wow, that's right. I just went to an un-married child, intentionally clicked
on the Marriage Information window, entered nothing, typed nothing, and
clicked on nothing other than SAVE. Legacy creates an unknown spouse for
this person but does not display any name or any other indication of a
marriage.

In fact, the Family view of the person would continue to look just as it did
before. And if the user happened to select in the Customization
(Preferences), Data Format tab, Child List indicators to NOT display the
special symbols at the ends of names, then they'd have no way of knowing
that there is an unknown spouse. They would never know this problem exists
unless they created certain types of reports in which case we'd see the
infamous "Persons-name married SOMEONE".

And then another problem is that it is difficult for a novice or beginning
user to figure out how to eliminate this unknown person (actually it's an
unknown marriage). You can't click on the area where the unknown spouse's
name would be to edit it becausewell, Legacy won't allow you to edit
something that doesn't exist. Clicking to open the Marriage Information
window provides nothing but a blank window. There is nothing to edit, no
indication that a marriage exists, and no means of telling Legacy that there
really isn't any marriage.

I can only encourage beginning users to make sure they remember to right
click on everything and anything. Right clicking on the marriage info brings
up the desired "Remove the marriage link" option.

But now, my big question. Do the rest of you believe that this is a bug ---
create a marriage when the user enter absolutely no data whatsoever? I
should think that if the SAVE button is accidentally and unknowingly
clicked, Legacy should warn the user that no data exists but it will create
a marriage link -- Continue or Cancel.

Brian in CA


> -Original Message-

> Or you might have gone into the Marriage Information window and clicked
> on "Save" when you closed the window.  That would add an unknown
> marriage.
>
>
> Thanks for using Legacy.
>
> Sherry
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Sherry/Support]

Lloyd,

What happens when you try to make the backup?

Are you getting any error messages?

Which version of Windows are you using?

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-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Hite [mailto:lhite3...@juno.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

  I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a backup.
I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing
up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck.
I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would do it.
Help please!
Lloyd




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Sherry/Support]

Lloyd,

I just noticed your comment about not getting your emails.  Are you still not 
getting them?  I noted the other day that Ken confirmed your subscription.

If they're not coming to your inbox, check the spam box on both the web and in 
your email program to make sure they're not getting filtered there.

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 6:20 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote:
>
>snip>
> By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am 
> having to go to the Archives
> to read the LUG Mail.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Tim/Support]

Lloyd,

You can only download and install the latest version, so you cannot go
back to .39. There is no place to download any of the back builds.

On the backup dialog, under the button/bar, it will tell you that
Currently: .. Take a look to see where it tells you the location you
want it to backup to. The backup will be exactly there. If you selected
the date and time and you will see that appended to the file name. I
failed to mention earlier, that if you are not using the Deluxe version,
the date and time feature you will not be able to use, so you can only
backup the family file name.

I hope this with your questions.

If you are still having troubles, would you send me your Backup.usr and
a screen shot of the Backup Dialog. Screen shots are NOT allowed on this
list, so send it to t...@legacyfamilytree.com

Thanks,
Tim
Tech Support
Legacy Family Tree

On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote:
>
> Lloyd,
>
> On the backup dialog screen, select options. You can then select what
> you wish to do, append date, and append time. I have them both selected.
>
> Tim
> Tech Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
> Hi Tim,
> Yes I have selected Options and clicked both ot them. Before this update I 
> could click backup and the backup dialog
> screen would open and all I did was click Backup at the bottom of the screen 
> and it would backup to the
> Legacy Backup folder on my external hard drive.I know that it did because I 
> would open that folder about once a week
> and delete all the backups except the last two.
> By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am 
> having to go to the Archives
> to read the LUG Mail.
>
> Lloyd
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Ron Ferguson]

Jenny M Benson wrote:
> Ron Ferguson wrote
>>
>> They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab.
>
> Only for the Individual highlighted, thought.  For the list itself
> there is only the option of RIN *or* UserID.

True, Jenny.

But, if I wnted continual access I would be using the Index View, where they
can be included in the columns.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

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On 6/8/2010 2:23 AM, Lloyd Hite wrote:
>
>
> By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am 
> having to go to the Archives
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>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 07:38:40 -0400, Lloyd Hite 
wrote:

>The problem with that Ron, is that I do not have a backup file  to install 
>after reinstalling  Legacy.
>I have three backups from version 7.4.0.39, but the latest one is dated in 
>May. I have made a lot of changes
>and added several people since then.
>By the way, can I go back to Legacy and download version 7.4.0.39 again? That 
>was the ver. I had before
>downloading 7.4.0.45.

An uninstall will NOT delete your family files. If you do not trust it,
simply copy your Legacy\Data folder to someplace safe.

FYI. A legacy backup is just a .zip containing various data files. You
can accomplish the same thing by creating your own .zip of your
Legacy\Data folder and saving it someplace safe. However, if you do this
don't count on it working with Legacy's Restore function. You will have
to restore manually by extracting the files you want from the .zip.

If I were you I would close Legacy and delete all the Legacy *.usr
files. Then restart Legacy and see if this fixes things. I assume you
have also tried rebooting your PC.

If that doesn't work, an uninstall/reinstall like Ron suggested would be
my next plan.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Jenny M Benson]

Ron Ferguson wrote
>
>They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab.

Only for the Individual highlighted, thought.  For the list itself there
is only the option of RIN *or* UserID.
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[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Lloyd Hite]

I would probably do that for an initial go. I would, uninstall Legacy first
though. If that doesn't work, you may need to consider deleting/renaming all
the .USR files, uninstalling and reinstalling.

Ron Ferguson

The problem with that Ron, is that I do not have a backup file  to install 
after reinstalling  Legacy.
I have three backups from version 7.4.0.39, but the latest one is dated in May. 
I have made a lot of changes
and added several people since then.
By the way, can I go back to Legacy and download version 7.4.0.39 again? That 
was the ver. I had before
downloading 7.4.0.45.

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Re: [LegacyUG]

[D MG]

Sherri,

Hi.  Just a friendly note to let you know that the use of HTML in
e-mails is not allowed by the Legacy User Group guidelines.  While
your picture and background is pretty, many people who subscribe to
this list have set filters to automatically delete any e-mail which
comes in HTML format, so many of the users of this list will not be
able to see your question or answer it.  Depending on what e-mail
program you use, you should try and set it that e-mails sent to this
list are always sent in plain text.

As regards your query, have you tried the "check/repair" option at
File>File Maintenance>Check/Repair.  This often fixes problems such as
this.

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On 7 June 2010 21:06, Sherri Sontag  wrote:
>
> I have an error that I get that says can't retrieve missing marriage MRIN 
> file 3021
> or something like that. It happens when I go to view a 2nd marriage and 
> sometimes when I go to add a person, if I close out and come back it is good 
> for a while and then it starts again. I have tried to copy to a new file and 
> it just keeps happening.
>
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> right. Love the ones who don't just because you can. Believe everything 
> happens for a reason. If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. If 
> it changes your life, let it. Kiss slowly. Forgive quickly. God never said 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Ron Ferguson]

Lloyd Hite wrote:
>   I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a
> backup.
> I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing
> up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck.
> I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would
> do it. Help please!
> Lloyd
> 

Lloyd

I would probably do that for an initial go. I would, uninstall Legacy first
though. If that doesn't work, you may need to consider deleting/renaming all
the .USR files, uninstalling and reinstalling.

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[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Lloyd Hite]

  I have been working all morning trying to get Legacy to make a backup.
I tried backing up to Legacy Data folder with no luck. I tried backing
up to 128mb thumb-drive, still no luck.
I am wondering if I reinstall Legacy over the old data, if that would do it.
Help please!
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

[Ron Ferguson]

Syble,

They are all there in the Names List under the Edit tab.

Whilst I tend to prefer to see "technical" things on paper rather than on
the screen, please don't forget that books and manuals become outdated,
whereas the Help Files are always u to date (and sometimes in advance
)

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- Original Message -
From: Syble Glasscock
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 08 June 2010 04:09
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names


Actually I use my Legacy Book rather than the "Help".  I have the RINs
shown, because they match my website pages, and when I view the "Name List",
it's easy to find the corresponding person in my Legacy file also.
Maybe I'm missing something,  but I've only been able to get one of the RIN
numbers or the User IDs or the AFNs to show on the "Name List", is there a
way of two of them to show on the "Name List"?
Thanks,
Syble

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Ron Ferguson  wrote:


From: Ron Ferguson 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 10:59 PM


 Original Message 
From: Syble Glasscock
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 07 June 2010 23:47
Subject: [LegacyUG] Adding numbers to names

> Thanks for all who replied,  I've not used the User ID nor the AFN in
> the past.  I tried on a few of the names using the User ID and then
> tried adding it in the Title Suf field.  Both can work for me seeing
> the number at a glance, but I'm concerned about the addition of these
> numbers being on my webpages. Will these show up on the webpage
> creation? Example: My gg grandfather's number is (1.3.1.2), then as
> the children are added the number becomes longer such as (1.3.1.2.5)
> etc., so this might be confusing to others.
> I'm not sure what others use these User ID or the AFN's for, so
> didn't want to use them, only to find out they might have a better
> use in the future. Thanks again,
> Syble Cline Glasscock
>

Sybil,

There are options in the web creation pages for you to show RINs +
MRINs, AFNs and UserID (Internet>Create Web Pages>What). If, however
you have the number as a prefix or suffix you cannot strip them, so
they will always appear. Frankly I would never use this method of
attaching the numbers, unless I was using all the others. Actually I
use the UserID for that purpose and also the prefix and suffixes for
their proper purpose, so I would have to use the AFN - but I probably
would anyhow!

You can find out what the options are for by looking them up in the Help
Files, it is very good, you know!

Ron Ferguson
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[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

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Make sure you haven't accidentally started an older version of Legacy.

Hello Dennis,
I am using version 7.4.0.45. Is that the latest version?

Lloyd



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[LegacyUG] Legacy Backup

[Lloyd Hite]

Lloyd,

On the backup dialog screen, select options. You can then select what
you wish to do, append date, and append time. I have them both selected.

Tim
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Legacy Family Tree

Hi Tim,
Yes I have selected Options and clicked both ot them. Before this update I 
could click backup and the backup dialog
screen would open and all I did was click Backup at the bottom of the screen 
and it would backup to the
Legacy Backup folder on my external hard drive.I know that it did because I 
would open that folder about once a week
and delete all the backups except the last two.
By the way Tim, when will I be able to get my LUG Mail in my mail box. I am 
having to go to the Archives
to read the LUG Mail.

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