RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread John Clifford
Where does the should come from?

I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I
am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not
expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to
understand as possible. In particular:

1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea
of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name,
or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless

2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you
use old names

3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on
TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event
name is different.

4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail
and will still be documented.

Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some
areas, like country names.  I was reading recently about a place in Central
Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I
think.

Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very
useful and I will add a request.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event.

You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master
Location List or in the notes for the event  Location Notes can be included
in the Location Index in a report.

I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around.
In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not
whole countries, thankfully!

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway.

 When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took
 place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the
 location at the time of the event?

 My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in
 present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a
Germany.
 Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at
 times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where
 people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in
 between lived in another kingdom but never left the town.

 Your thoughts would be appreciated

 Ray Rhoads


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Ron Ferguson
And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be
used?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

 A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch
 could
 collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early
 place
 (KY/WV/VA).

With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really
feasible.

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Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread John Clifford
The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of
findmypast.

Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a
town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name
of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration
district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact
that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on
the original registration form.

Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have
refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the
original census page  When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I
have received no reply.

Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one
is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t
appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors)
not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Tony,

Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh
censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is
not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration
Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above
the columns is.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations


On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen

 I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that
 location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled
 versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an
 AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields.

What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a
given location.  Something like

Long Name:  Sometown, someplace, Somecountry
Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name
Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here
Short Name: to: current short name for the place

One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same
location differently on different censuses.  It would be nice to record
what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location
entry for each census.  Now the program would pick the short name
according to the date for the display.

Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying
by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in
reports.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 05/02/2012 12:50, John Clifford wrote:
 Where does the should come from?

Genealogy, like so many other activities, has acquired various rules
for best practice which have been developed by expert and professional
users over the years so that there is some sort of standardization and
agreement about how best to present information.  That doesn't mean to
say that everyone has to follow such rules slavishly if they choose
not to do so.  But those who want to be taken seriously by experts and
professionals, or who aspire to be experts or professionals themselves
will attempt to do things as they should be done.

So to expand on what Sherry wrote, Locations should always be entered
as they were at the time of the event, but you are free to do it
differently if you so choose.

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RE: [LegacyUG] How do I print a list of every family B/M/D event in Connecticut?

2012-02-05 Thread Bobby Johnson
Instead of tagging the list just check add results to current list.

Bobby

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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I print a list of every family B/M/D event in 
Connecticut?

On 04/02/2012 20:56, Dee Ziegler wrote:
 Brain freeze? I thought I knew how to do this...how do I print a list
 of every family B/M/D event in Connecticut, with name of ancestor
 involved?

If you want a fourth criterion, Baptism Place contains Connecticut you will 
need to tag the first Search list with an unused tag number, then Search for 
Individual with Tag # tagged OR Individual with Baptisms Place contains 
Connecticut and print that list.
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I print a list of every family B/M/D event in Connecticut?

2012-02-05 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 05/02/2012 13:46, Bobby Johnson wrote:
 Instead of tagging the list just check add results to current list.

Oh yes, of course!  Thank you for reminding me about that provision.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Ron Ferguson
John,

Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for
example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is
accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be
found by/at the GRO.

Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census
page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the
bottom right of the image.

I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice.

Ron Ferguson
www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of
findmypast.

Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a
town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name
of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration
district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact
that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on
the original registration form.

Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have
refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the
original census page  When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I
have received no reply.

Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one
is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t
appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors)
not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Tony,

Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh
censuses it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is
not. The reason being that the locations are recorded in Registration
Districts which are not the same as the locations, although the detail above
the columns is.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations


On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen

 I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that
 location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled
 versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an
 AKA for locations too though, with date and text fields.

What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a
given location.  Something like

Long Name:  Sometown, someplace, Somecountry
Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An original short name
Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here
Short Name: to: current short name for the place

One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same
location differently on different censuses.  It would be nice to record
what they actually wrote, without having to make a different location
entry for each census.  Now the program would pick the short name
according to the date for the display.

Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying
by date with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in
reports.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Page numbering problem on Multiple Line of Descent Report

2012-02-05 Thread Laird
Brian,
I installed version 7.5.0.142, build 31 Jan 2012 and verified this problem still
exists on my system it appears to still be a bug?

Would you please give the LUG an update on the status of this problem?
Thanks, Laird

==
On 5/16/2011 11:42 AM, Brian/Support wrote:
 The problem you reported has been tested and is confirmed. A report has
 been recorded in our problem tracking system so this can be fixed. Thank
 you for helping us make Legacy a better program for everyone.

 In fact I created two problem reports. One for the standalone report and
 one for the Publishing Centre.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 We are changing the world of genealogy!
 When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
 Thanks.

 On 15/05/2011 8:47 PM, Ken wrote:
 Greetings,

 Although the following appears to be a minor problem, I thought I should 
 bring it to the
 group's attention to see if I am overlooking a solution.   I note it has not 
 been listed
 in the archives.

 When producing a Multiple Line of Descendant Report within the Publishing 
 Centre or as a
 stand alone, the Table of Contents are incorrectly numbered.   The second 
 page and those
 Table of Contents pages that follow are all automatically assigned a page 
 number as though
 they were the last page of the whole report.In my case each page, 2 
 through 5, of the
 Table of Contents were assigned page number 312.   The last page of my full 
 report was
 311.

 As the Table of Contents falls at the beginning of the report I was 
 surprised to see it
 numbered as though it fell at the end but realized the problem was more than 
 that when all
 the Table of Contents pages, 2 through 5, carried the same incorrect number. 
Have I
 done something wrong or is this a bug?

 If someone tries to duplicate this scenario please make sure your Table of 
 Contents is two
 or more pages.I tried to see if this situation applied to any other type 
 of report but
 my line doesn't go back far enough to have at least two pages of generations 
 noted in the
 Table of Contents for the Ancestor or one name Descendant report.

 I thank you for reading this and look forward to some guidance with regards 
 to the matter.

 Ken Marlow, Ottawa



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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Alan Pereira
You can't even guarantee that the enumerator for the Census form had the 
administration county identified correctly.  For UK 1891 Censuses you can find 
St.Pancras in either Middlesex or London, the latter being correct.  Sometimes 
it is even left blank.
I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the relationship 
between Parishes and Registration Districts.
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

John,

Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for 
example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is 
accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be 
found by/at the GRO.

Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, 
but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom 
right of the image.

I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice.

Ron Ferguson
www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of 
findmypast.

Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town 
in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the 
county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name 
for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual 
County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original 
registration form.

Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have 
refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the 
original census page  When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I 
have received no reply.

Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is 
trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear 
on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just 
as a result of human error but of deliberate policy.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Tony,

Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses 
it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason 
being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not 
the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations


On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen

 I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that
 location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled
 versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA
 for locations too though, with date and text fields.

What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given 
location.  Something like

Long Name:  Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An 
original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here 
Short Name: to: current short name for the place

One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location 
differently on different censuses.  It would be nice to record what they 
actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each 
census.  Now the program would pick the short name according to the date for 
the display.

Actually, it might be useful to have both short and long names varying by date 
with a Location name to identify it, but which isn't used in reports.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Page numbering problem on Multiple Line of Descent Report

2012-02-05 Thread Mike Fry
On 2012/02/05 19:19, Laird wrote:

 I installed version 7.5.0.142, build 31 Jan 2012 and verified this problem 
 still
 exists on my system it appears to still be a bug?

 Would you please give the LUG an update on the status of this problem?

You could, of course, have had a look for yourself on the website at what had
been fixed in the new release, and avoided this unnecessary thread.

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Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Page numbering problem on Multiple Line of Descent Report

2012-02-05 Thread Laird
Sorry Mike, I misunderstood your statement.

I did look at the bug fixes on the web site for this version release and these
are the only ones that might be related to printing reports:
*Event Report* - When using List format, the event name is now always included.
*Publishing Center* - Family Group Records were inserting two entries into the
Table of Contents instead of only one. Fixed.

As a side note I had reported a different bug with the Publishing Center and I
got a personal email directly from Legacy saying it was fixed in the next
release, which turned out to be 7.5.0.142.  My reported bug fix was also not
listed in the Fixed Items list.

On 2/5/2012 11:58 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2012/02/05 19:19, Laird wrote:

 I installed version 7.5.0.142, build 31 Jan 2012 and verified this problem 
 still
 exists on my system it appears to still be a bug?

 Would you please give the LUG an update on the status of this problem?
 You could, of course, have had a look for yourself on the website at what had
 been fixed in the new release, and avoided this unnecessary thread.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Page numbering problem on Multiple Line of Descent Report

2012-02-05 Thread Laird
OK Mike,
I did not file the original bug report.
Please tell me how to do this.
Laird

On 2/5/2012 11:58 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2012/02/05 19:19, Laird wrote:

 I installed version 7.5.0.142, build 31 Jan 2012 and verified this problem 
 still
 exists on my system it appears to still be a bug?

 Would you please give the LUG an update on the status of this problem?
 You could, of course, have had a look for yourself on the website at what had
 been fixed in the new release, and avoided this unnecessary thread.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread CE WOOD

By using the lat/long converter.



Anyway, for many locations, neither Bing nor Google has them.  I always use 
another mapping program to find them.  That way is especially useful because I 
can find the lat/long or a house, cemetery plot, etc.



CE




 From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 12:57:36 +

 And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be
 used?

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/



 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Fry
 Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

 On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

  A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch
  could
  collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early
  place
  (KY/WV/VA).

 With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really
 feasible.

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg

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Re: [LegacyUG] Page numbering problem on Multiple Line of Descent Report

2012-02-05 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
Keep in mind that NOT EVERYTHING that gets fixed is itemized in the
Release Notes.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:21:22 -0600, Laird lftu...@bayleenet.net wrote:

OK Mike,
I did not file the original bug report.
Please tell me how to do this.
Laird

On 2/5/2012 11:58 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2012/02/05 19:19, Laird wrote:

 I installed version 7.5.0.142, build 31 Jan 2012 and verified this problem 
 still
 exists on my system it appears to still be a bug?

 Would you please give the LUG an update on the status of this problem?
 You could, of course, have had a look for yourself on the website at what had
 been fixed in the new release, and avoided this unnecessary thread.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread John Clifford
Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very carefully 
before replying.

I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I did 
not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate.

I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in the 
transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the Search 
facility as well.

For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire, 
you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census transcriptions 
if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of Banbury RD because 
Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in  Oxfordshire and changes 
Northamptonshire on the census page image to Oxfordshire.

Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for people 
living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you 126 
individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30.

You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the 
fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on 
the original registration form this means that I do know where to find an 
address on a census page.  In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can also 
click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the enumerator 
has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two versions of the 
address.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

John,

Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for 
example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is 
accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be 
found by/at the GRO.

Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census page, 
but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the bottom 
right of the image.

I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice.

Ron Ferguson
www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of 
findmypast.

Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a town 
in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name of the 
county which contains the town which is part of the registration district name 
for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact that the actual 
County for the location concerned is correctly written on the original 
registration form.

Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have 
refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the 
original census page  When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I 
have received no reply.

Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one is 
trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t appear 
on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors) not just 
as a result of human error but of deliberate policy.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Tony,

Which country's censuses are your referring to? For the English/Welsh censuses 
it may well appear that this is the case, whereas in fact it is not. The reason 
being that the locations are recorded in Registration Districts which are not 
the same as the locations, although the detail above the columns is.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:41 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Event Locations


On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:32:15 -0800 Bjørn K Nilssen

 I prefer that second school too. What I'm interested in is where that
 location is, and who shared it. Adding 10 or more differently spelled
 versions isn't really that useful IMO. It would be nice to have an AKA
 for locations too though, with date and text fields.

What would be really nice would be to have date-linked short names for a given 
location.  Something like

Long Name:  Sometown, someplace, Somecountry Short name: to 31 mar 1837: An 
original short name Short Name: to 1 Jan 1951: a different short name here 
Short Name: to: current short name for the place

One problem I have is that Census enumerators described the same location 
differently on different censuses.  It would be nice to record what they 
actually wrote, without having to make a different location entry for each 
census.  Now the 

RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread John Clifford
Thanks Jenny, I understand that is where the rules have come from.

But I think the situation has changed with the arrival of the Internet and I
would guess that most people using Legacy are now amateurs working on
their own family trees who do not particularly want to be taken seriously by
experts but to do a good job for their families and descendants.

This may need a different set of standards as to how best to present
information and Legacy support staff may need to alter their advice to
Locations should always be entered in the form that will be most
informative to the expected viewer of your family tree but you are free to
use the names as they were at the time of the event for antiquarian or
professional purposes.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 14:07
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

On 05/02/2012 12:50, John Clifford wrote:
 Where does the should come from?

Genealogy, like so many other activities, has acquired various rules
for best practice which have been developed by expert and professional
users over the years so that there is some sort of standardization and
agreement about how best to present information.  That doesn't mean to say
that everyone has to follow such rules slavishly if they choose not to do
so.  But those who want to be taken seriously by experts and professionals,
or who aspire to be experts or professionals themselves will attempt to do
things as they should be done.

So to expand on what Sherry wrote, Locations should always be entered as
they were at the time of the event, but you are free to do it differently if
you so choose.

--
Jenny M Benson


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread cranberryfrog
You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you
keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone.
If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform
to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :)

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread M Couch
The beauty of flexible programmes like Legacy enables multiple data entry 
preferences to suit a wide range of users. The trick is knowing the end use of 
the data from the beginning. It would also help if our forebears lived and died 
in places that fitted modern naming conventions, wars never happened and 
politicians refrained from tinkering with boundaries and place names.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Jerry
Sounds like the aka location idea would be great, but only if it could be kept 
separate and not lumped in with the master locations list, unless by selection 
perhaps.  Jerry

John Clifford leg...@johnclifford.me.uk wrote:

Where does the should come from?

I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I
am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not
expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to
understand as possible. In particular:

1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea
of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name,
or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless

2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you
use old names

3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on
TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event
name is different.

4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail
and will still be documented.

Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some
areas, like country names.  I was reading recently about a place in Central
Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I
think.

Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very
useful and I will add a request.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event.

You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master
Location List or in the notes for the event  Location Notes can be included
in the Location Index in a report.

I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around.
In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not
whole countries, thankfully!

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoads rhodo...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway.

 When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took
 place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the
 location at the time of the event?

 My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in
 present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a
Germany.
 Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at
 times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where
 people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in
 between lived in another kingdom but never left the town.

 Your thoughts would be appreciated

 Ray Rhoads


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Bjørn K Nilssen
På Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:30:27 +0100, skrev cranberryf...@cobridge.tv:

 You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you
 keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone.
 If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform
 to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :)

If only it was that simple..
In my mothers family a lot of ancestors came from the same county (kommune), 
which in 1964 merged with another county.
Before 1964 it was written Grindum, Grinnum, Grinnums, Grinnem, Grindem, 
Grindems, Grindheim, Bjelland og Grindum, Bj. pr.gj. - Grinnums and so on in 
many more variations.
And these variations were not really chronoligally dependent, but were written 
in several variations the same year, depending on who was writing.
Say you have in a census, a childs birth place is written as Grindum, and in 
the church book from the same year the place is called Grinnem, what should you 
write?
If you save the source text you'll have the place name as written saved anyway, 
but in the birthplace field I think it is much better to use a standardized 
spelling. As John also mentioned, Internet has made a difference, not to 
mention computers.
For searching, reports etc it is very useful to have a uniform spelling in the 
location field, and as long as the original spelling is stored (preferably in 
an AKA field) what's wrong with that?
I usually write Grindheim, Audnedal (which is the name of the new merged 
kommune/county), Vest-Agder (fylke/state?).

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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Jerry
Yes, Michele, but you don't have to mess up your master location list to do 
that.  You can accomplish the same thing with the note fields adjacent to 
location.  Sorry, but I don't think I could ever be convinced to put seven 
different location names for the exact same spot on the map when the note field 
will work for that.  It is time for the gedcom standard to be updated to match 
computer technology.  Both the aka location and latititde/longitude ideas seem 
worthy of consideration.  Thanks for listening.  Jerry in Michigan

cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:

You should record the location as it was at the time of the event unless you
keep your research completely to yourself and never share it with anyone.
If you share the info in any way, shape or form, you really should conform
to how everyone else does it or it will only cause confusion :) :) :)

Michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Ron Ferguson
John,

The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one
who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it,
but not in this case.

However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what
you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The
search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking
for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to any.
Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in
1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is
Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the
Registration Districts.

I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have
advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is
that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details,
the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with
Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's
interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk



Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk.

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very
carefully before replying.

I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I
did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate.

I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in
the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the
Search facility as well.

For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire,
you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census
transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of
Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in
Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to
Oxfordshire.

Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for
people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you
126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30.

You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the
fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written
on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find
an address on a census page.  In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can
also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the
enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two
versions of the address.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

John,

Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for
example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is
accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be
found by/at the GRO.

Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census
page, but for 1911 you need to look at that given by the householder on the
bottom right of the image.

I am very glad that FMP did not take your advice.

Ron Ferguson
www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

The problem is less if you use Ancestry or other transcriptions instead of
findmypast.

Registration Districts often cross county boundaries but are named after a
town in one of the counties. Findmypast seem to insist on entering the name
of the county which contains the town which is part of the registration
district name for all the locations within that RD, regardless of the fact
that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written on
the original registration form.

Whenever I have asked for a correction to the proper County name they have
refused and then added we aim to provide you with an exact copy of the
original census page  When I have pointed out that this is a blatant lie I
have received no reply.

Not strictly related to Legacy I am afraid, but it is infuriating when one
is trying to search for people born in a particular county and they don’t
appear on a findmypast search (which is usually better than its competitors)
not just as a result of human error but of deliberate policy.

John Clifford


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 04 February 2012 11:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Tony,

Which country's censuses 

Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Mike Fry
On 2012/02/05 19:38, Alan Pereira wrote:

 I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the
 relationship between Parishes and Registration Districts.

If you examine the source of that information, you will find that it comes
courtesy of the GENUKI site, not from FreeBMD directly :-) After all, why keep a
dog and bark yourself?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Tim Rosenlof

On 2/5/2012 5:50 AM, John Clifford wrote:
 Where does the should come from?

 I have gradually moved to using the latest version of place names because I
 am producing a family tree for family members and other people who are not
 expert genealogists. I want to make the tree as meaningful and easy to
 understand as possible. In particular:

 1. seeing the current name for a location gives the average user a good idea
 of where the event took place, whereas using obsolete spelling, county name,
 or (especially) country name will be misleading or meaningless

Akron, Michigan in 1800 = Wayne County
Akron, Michigan in 1822 = Sanilac County
Akron, Michigan in 1850 = Tuscola County

Geneva, Oregon in 1843 = Champoeg County
Geneva, Oregon in 1850 = Lyne County
Geneva, Oregon in 1900 = Crook County
Geneva, Oregon in 1975  = Jefferson County


If Great Grandpa lived in Geneva Champoeg County Oregon in 1843, then
one was to use the master location list, then looks at Geneva Oregon, it
will show Jefferson as the County. What County did good ol Great Grandpa
live in ?


 2. using the Bing geo-coding tool in Legacy is unnecessarily arduous if you
 use old names

 3. when geo-codes are translated back onto a map, for instance in Google on
 TNG, the user will only see modern names and may be puzzled if the event
 name is different.

 4. for fellow geeks, the old name(s) can be put in the source text/detail
 and will still be documented.

I guess I am a geek. I use when the event took place historically. I
can't agree more with what 'Jenny Benson' wrote earlier. I would quote
it, but one can certainly read it again. 7:07am. Same as Sherry. She
also posted that she uses the time of the event.

Have a good day,

Tim Rosenlof




 Incidentally the UK Registration Districts names change successively in some
 areas, like country names.  I was reading recently about a place in Central
 Europe that was in three different countries on the same day, in 1939 I
 think.

 Having said all that an aka facility in Legacy for Location would be very
 useful and I will add a request.

 John Clifford



 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: 03 February 2012 21:09
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

 Locations should always be entered as they were at the time of the event.

 You can add notes about changes in notes for the location in the Master
 Location List or in the notes for the event  Location Notes can be included
 in the Location Index in a report.

 I's always interesting to read of how much a town has moved around.
 In the US we just see county or state boundaries change around a town not
 whole countries, thankfully!

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Ray Rhoadsrhodo...@bellsouth.net  wrote:
 This may not be the right place to ask this question but here go's anyway.

 When entering a place name for an event, (birth, death etc.) that took
 place in a foreign country should you use present day locations or the
 location at the time of the event?

 My reason for asking is that my mothers family comes from an town in
 present day Germany. However they came to this country before there was a
 Germany.
 Although the events always occurred in the same town that town at
 times was part of different Countries or Kingdoms. I have cases where
 people were born in Bavaria, married France and died in Prussia and in
 between lived in another kingdom but never left the town.

 Your thoughts would be appreciated

 Ray Rhoads


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mike,

I go to GENUKI direct and I agree that it is an excellent resource. As far
as I know it is the only site for *all* the Registration Districts, but the
quality does seem to vary from county to county. It should also be
remembered that these districts vary over time, and for 1851 Family Search
is excellent. See: http://maps.familysearch.org/

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 9:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

On 2012/02/05 19:38, Alan Pereira wrote:

 I have found that the UK FreeBMD website gives good detail on the
 relationship between Parishes and Registration Districts.

If you examine the source of that information, you will find that it comes
courtesy of the GENUKI site, not from FreeBMD directly :-) After all, why
keep a
dog and bark yourself?

--
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Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.0.142

2012-02-05 Thread Brian/Support
A colour in the event names means that a source has been linked to that
item.

You can change the colour in Options  Customize  Colours. Set the
colour for Contents to change the colour what shows when a source is linked.

Brian
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Millennia Corporation
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On 05/02/2012 2:26 PM, Lloyd Hite wrote:
 Hello List,
 I just downloaded and installed version 7.0.142 and I noticed that in
 the Individual Information Screen that some Death and Burial names are
 Red. What does that signify and can I change it?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread Ron Ferguson
John,

I do not bother with rants!!! You are simply haven't got it.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 10:49 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Ron, not only do you not read messages carefully, you don’t seem to look at
the findmypast screens which you are pontificating about.

1. You say that the findmypast search is based on the Registration District
but on the Basic search screen you can search by birth place, place of
residence and COUNTY but NOT by registration district. It is only the
Advanced search screen (which I rarely use, because I have not found it of
much help) that you can also search by RD, civil parish, etc (etc depending
on the census year). Incidentally the search of a database is based on one
or more indexes.

2. The search list then takes you to the Household Transcription - which
shows some of the reference numbers (but not Enumeration District or
Schedule number unfortunately except for 1911), Registration District, Civil
Parish, Address and COUNTY.

Your reference to searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire in the
1851 census exactly proves my point - none found by Findmypast and 5 by
Ancestry.

Did you not try the Ancestry search before responding?

By location I do not mean RD, I mean place, as defined (today) by geo-code.

John


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 21:20
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

John,

The only person who never misunderstands or never makes a mistake is the one
who usually says nothing, or has tunnel vision. When I do I will admit it,
but not in this case.

However, I think that we are talking at cross purposes. I believe that what
you call the Location is what I would call the Registration District. The
search in FMP is based on the latter. I usually find it best when looking
for returns near a boundary not to enter a county ie. leave it set to any.
Searching for Ferguson in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, will not be found in
1851 by searching for that location, because the Registration District is
Stockton, County Durham. Before searching any county I always check the
Registration Districts.

I am not too happy with this way of searching, myself, although it does have
advantages for those of us who carry out One-Name Studies, but my point is
that on FMP's page for a family result it gives the Registration details,
the Location has to be obtained from the Image - I usually do this with
Ancestry as well btw. , because I do not wish to reply on somebody else's
interpretation, which one is advised to do anyhow.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk



Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk.

-Original Message-
From: John Clifford
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

Ron, I have noticed before that you don't seem to read messages very
carefully before replying.

I did not say that all Registration Districts are named after a town and I
did not say that the presentation of Registration Districts is inaccurate.

I did say that the presentation of counties is deliberately inaccurate in
the transcription and hence in the Household View, the Indexing and the
Search facility as well.

For instance, if you know that a person or family lived in Northamptonshire,
you will never find them by searching in the Findmypast census
transcriptions if they happen to live in the Northamptonshire part of
Banbury RD because Findmypast knows that Banbury (the town) is in
Oxfordshire and changes Northamptonshire on the census page image to
Oxfordshire.

Take the Mold family. If you do an exact search in the 1881 census for
people living in Northamptonshire with surname Mold, Ancestry will give you
126 individuals but Findmypast will give you only 30.

You might also have deduced that when I alleged that Findmypast ignore the
fact that the actual County for the location concerned is correctly written
on the original registration form this means that I do know where to find
an address on a census page.  In the Findmypast 1911 census images you can
also click on an Address link to see the accompanying form which the
enumerator has filled out; it is sometimes illuminating to compare the two
versions of the address.

John Clifford



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 05 February 2012 15:15
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

John,

Firstly, Registration Districts are not necessarily named after a town, for
example West Ward. The presentation of the the Registration Districts is
accurate and using them correctly identifies exactly where the record can be
found by/at the GRO.

Prior to the 1911 census the Location was given at the top of ever census
page, but for 

[LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread Daphne Eze
I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.

How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?

Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?

How do you name the photo?

I have been using the MRIN system for naming source files. I thought I
would do that for images as well but ran into a problem when there are
multiple families in the photo.

Thank you
Daphne Eze
Researching Berrow, Weaving, Weeks, Blake, Eastman, Wilson, English, Boles


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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 05/02/2012 23:21, Daphne Eze wrote:
 I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.

 How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?

 Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?

 How do you name the photo?

Whenever possible I crop the photo to show just the individual I want
and save that picture to attach to the Individual.  I attach group
photos to Events where it is appropriate, such as a picture of a Wedding
or a special family occasion.

I don't have any particular scheme for naming photos, except that I use
the RINs along with people's names.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread Leon Chapman
I always use events in the family marriages assuming the picture is of a family 
and children or a family reunion and attach a picture to a single event.  You 
can have several family reunion events and one picture for each event for the 
same family reunion.  In reports, the attached event picture can be printed.  I 
use lots of events for individuals and families.

You can also print scrapbooks for individuals when you can have lots of 
pictures for each individual.  Normally, only one picture can be printed for an 
individual.

Hope that helps!

Sent from my iPad
Leon Chapman
chap...@gmail.com

On Feb 5, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Daphne Eze d...@shaw.ca wrote:

 I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.

 How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?

 Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?

 How do you name the photo?

 I have been using the MRIN system for naming source files. I thought I
 would do that for images as well but ran into a problem when there are
 multiple families in the photo.

 Thank you
 Daphne Eze
 Researching Berrow, Weaving, Weeks, Blake, Eastman, Wilson, English, Boles


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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

2012-02-05 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
This is a semi-problem, but each of us must choose if we care, and then which 
to use. I may say what I choose, but not force the issue.Rich
From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 4:57 AM

And the two have a different way of expressing them - so which would be
used?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Locations

On 2012/02/05 04:48, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:

 A possible solution, would be to have placenames using lat/long whjch
 could
 collect as many 'spelling' changes, including multiple states for an early
 place
 (KY/WV/VA).

With the inherent inaccuracies of both Bing and Google, that's not really
feasible.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread RICHARD SCHULTHIES
For the 'attached' photo I use either a single shot or crop a group one. This 
is the one to view on reports. The other photos go in other slots on any 
album.Rich in LA CA

--- On Sun, 2/5/12, Daphne Eze d...@shaw.ca wrote:

From: Daphne Eze d...@shaw.ca
Subject: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in 
the photo
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 3:21 PM

I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.

How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?

Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?

How do you name the photo?

I have been using the MRIN system for naming source files. I thought I
would do that for images as well but ran into a problem when there are
multiple families in the photo.

Thank you
Daphne Eze
Researching Berrow, Weaving, Weeks, Blake, Eastman, Wilson, English, Boles


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RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread Gavin Nicholson
The competing application “Family Historian” has a great feature whereby you 
can link to people’s faces in a group photo. You select the group photo, draw a 
box around the person of interest and then select the person in your database 
to link it to. So when you view that person you see the cropped image but if 
you double clicked on it you would see the original image. This means you don’t 
have to create a bunch of cropped images if you had a family photo for example. 
I think it also had the ability to pop up a little name box when you hovered 
the mouse over each person in the group photo.



I did submit a suggestion to have this function in Legacy a few years ago but 
they weren’t interested L Perhaps if more people make this suggestion it might 
get some traction.



Gavin...





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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread Laird
Daphne,
I am with Jenny on this one.  Using photo editing software, I also crop the 
photo to show one person and use the name and RIN of the person as the filename.

I find the following works for books in the Publishing Center: I crop the 
person from the group photo and resize it to 1.5 tall x 1.5 wide @ 300 pixels 
per inch.  I then merge a youth photo on the left side and  an adult (later in 
life) on the right side which makes it 1.5 tall x 3 wide.  When I only have 
one photo I center it as 1.5 x 1.5 within the 3 width with white space on 
both sides.

In the Publishing Center:  Report Options  Pictures  Picture Options.  I 
select Custom Picture area:  Width [3] Inches, Picture Reduction Width is 
set to Original size.

As Leon said you can only print a single photo in book reports.  You could
extend the above concept to include more than two photos of a person by merging
several photos into one.  What you must keep in mind is the Report options photo
size option is GLOBAL.  That is why I put a single photo into the center of 1.5
x 3.  If you used a single photo as 1.5 x 1.5 it would print as 3 x 3 using
Custom Picture area:  Width [3] Inches in my example above.

Laird
=
On 2/5/2012 6:23 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 05/02/2012 23:21, Daphne Eze wrote:
 I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.

 How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?

 Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?

 How do you name the photo?
 Whenever possible I crop the photo to show just the individual I want
 and save that picture to attach to the Individual.  I attach group
 photos to Events where it is appropriate, such as a picture of a Wedding
 or a special family occasion.

 I don't have any particular scheme for naming photos, except that I use
 the RINs along with people's names.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one person in the photo

2012-02-05 Thread cr brassfield

Laird,
I too use photo editing but thanks for the tip about merging pictures. I hadn't 
thought of that and it certainly solves some problems.I've recently been trying 
out Picasa in place of my other photo editing software and really like the idea 
they have of automatically creating a file of facial images from every image 
saved. It's a great help identifying unknown faces esp in groups. Not 100% 
accurate but certainly points me in the right direction. Amazing too how often 
with a baby/child face it suggestions an older adult I have already identified. 
If the baby/child doesn't already have their adult image identified it's 
interesting the suggestions Picasa makes. Shows how characteristics are passed 
down even if I can't always see it. I have to spend time entering names of 
faces I know but done once it quickly picks up recognising most of them in 
later images.  Other software probably does the same now but my other editing 
software was older versions that didn't have it.

Carol


 From: lftu...@bayleenet.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures - how to handle ones with more than one 
 person in the photo
 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 20:41:52 -0600

 Daphne,
 I am with Jenny on this one.  Using photo editing software, I also crop the 
 photo to show one person and use the name and RIN of the person as the 
 filename.

 I find the following works for books in the Publishing Center: I crop the 
 person from the group photo and resize it to 1.5 tall x 1.5 wide @ 300 
 pixels per inch.  I then merge a youth photo on the left side and  an adult 
 (later in life) on the right side which makes it 1.5 tall x 3 wide.  When I 
 only have one photo I center it as 1.5 x 1.5 within the 3 width with white 
 space on both sides.

 In the Publishing Center:  Report Options  Pictures  Picture Options.  I 
 select Custom Picture area:  Width [3] Inches, Picture Reduction Width 
 is set to Original size.

 As Leon said you can only print a single photo in book reports.  You could
 extend the above concept to include more than two photos of a person by 
 merging
 several photos into one.  What you must keep in mind is the Report options 
 photo
 size option is GLOBAL.  That is why I put a single photo into the center of 
 1.5
 x 3.  If you used a single photo as 1.5 x 1.5 it would print as 3 x 3 using
 Custom Picture area:  Width [3] Inches in my example above.

 Laird
 =
 On 2/5/2012 6:23 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
  On 05/02/2012 23:21, Daphne Eze wrote:
  I'm in the process of attaching my photos to the records in Legacy.
 
  How do others handle it when there are more than one person in fthe photo?
 
  Do you attach the photo to each person that is in it?
 
  How do you name the photo?
  Whenever possible I crop the photo to show just the individual I want
  and save that picture to attach to the Individual.  I attach group
  photos to Events where it is appropriate, such as a picture of a Wedding
  or a special family occasion.
 
  I don't have any particular scheme for naming photos, except that I use
  the RINs along with people's names.


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