Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Mary LeClerc]

Finally have to jump in here.  While I agree that there are a myriad of
ways to describe what constitutes a "family", all I expect from a software
program is to be able to chart the relationships and link them together.
In my opinion Legacy already offers all of the options we need to label
these relationships any way we want. Aside from getting hung up over the
words "marriage" or relationship" I just view the marriage information
window as the system that lets me link two people (or more) to a child.

Consider the following situtations:

Person A  and Person B marry and have a child
clearly we don't need to use the boxes "never married and never had
children" whether in the individual windows or marriage window

Person A has a child  with Person B.
Buut they never married so we check the box "this couple did not
marry" in the marriage information window.
 "Never had children" does not apply to either.  It's a separate
box on this screen as it needs to be.

Person B above now marries Person C  and they have a child and you proceed
as usual,

or don't have children together and  we check the "this
couple had no children" in the marriage information window. Again, it's
  separated here in the MARRIAGE WINDOW as it needs to
be.

If Person A never marries and never has children, the combined box is
appropriately located in the personal information screen.

I certainly have no problem checking this if I want to indicate to myself
that AS FAR AS I KNOW this person had no issue and this is a dead end.

To me it's just taking up valuable screen space to separate the two on this
screen.

Of course we may not know for sure if someone ever had children. We also
may not know for sure if they ever married.  I also don't know whether they
like spinach  or are vegetarian!  We record what we know or what we feel
comfortable recording.  If you are not sure then DON'T CHECK THE COMBINED
BOX. Isn't that simple.

I'm trying hard to imagine a situation where I would be comfortable  say
checking "never married"  but then saying "gee I don't know if he fathered
any kids here and there.  Maybe I shouldn't check that combined box".  If
you don't know and it bothers you, don't check it then.


Just my two cents worth.
Mary





On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Ellen  wrote:
.
>
> Are you looking for something other than the marriage box where you can
> say that the couple never married and separately you can say that they
> never had children?  We already have that on the upper left corner of the
> marriage editing box.  Or is there something else that you are referring to?
>
> God bless,
> Ellen
>
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:
>
> Perhaps a compromise is in order -- if Legacy can't bring itself to split
> the two statements, at least it could say, " never married and had no
> known children."
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
>
>> Amen!!  It seems ridiculous to me that Legacy almost forces us to state
>> as fact something that we can not *possiby* know!!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote:
>>
>>> Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the
>>> extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject.  Just because
>>> Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a
>>> parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred.
>>>
>>> It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married.  It is
>>> usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no
>>> children.
>>>
>>> Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children"
>>> fact into two separate facts?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Ellen]

Are you looking for something other than the marriage box where you can say 
that the couple never married and separately you can say that they never had 
children?  We already have that on the upper left corner of the marriage 
editing box.  Or is there something else that you are referring to?

God bless,
Ellen

On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Pat Hickin wrote:

> Perhaps a compromise is in order -- if Legacy can't bring itself to split the 
> two statements, at least it could say, " never married and had no known 
> children."
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
> Amen!!  It seems ridiculous to me that Legacy almost forces us to state as 
> fact something that we can not possiby know!!
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Tony Rolfe  wrote:
> Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the
> extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject.  Just because
> Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a
> parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred.
>
> It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married.  It is
> usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no children.
>
> Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children"
> fact into two separate facts?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Pat Hickin]

Perhaps a compromise is in order -- if Legacy can't bring itself to split
the two statements, at least it could say, " never married and had no
known children."

Pat


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:

> Amen!!  It seems ridiculous to me that Legacy almost forces us to state as
> fact something that we can not *possiby* know!!
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote:
>
>> Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the
>> extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject.  Just because
>> Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a
>> parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred.
>>
>> It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married.  It is
>> usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no
>> children.
>>
>> Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children"
>> fact into two separate facts?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp
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>>
>>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] marriages

[Pat Hickin]

Amen!!  It seems ridiculous to me that Legacy almost forces us to state as
fact something that we can not *possiby* know!!

Pat


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote:

> Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the
> extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject.  Just because
> Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a
> parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred.
>
> It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married.  It is
> usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no
> children.
>
> Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children"
> fact into two separate facts?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Walt Quering]

I may misunderstand the issue, but, from what I've seen, the problem is a
GEDCOM problem, not a Legacy problem.  The aging GEDCOM model has only so
many fields for citations and dumps data from unrecognized fields in the
software of origin into its note fields.  Back when Legacy was the only
software with detailed templates for sources, this impacted only Legacy,
but other programs now also have detailed templates, so it impacts them as
well.  I've seen similar situations in other arenas, and, while the
problems are not insurmountable, neither are they inexpensive.  They also
require that all parties involved cooperate.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Larry Lee  wrote:

> CE,
>
> I know very little about the use of GEDCOM, it either works for me or it
> doesn't. Granted GEDCOM development is always behind the times. I
> understand backward compatibility is always a challenge.
>
> Even so, since Millennia created Sourcewriter shouldn't they be
> responsible to create a workaround algorithm to export the appropriate
> fields into current GEDCOM fields?  Even if most of the information might
> wind up in a notes field at least the information would available on the
> import end, although maybe not as useful as if it had proper GEDCOM fields.
>
> Larry Lee
> ldlee...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:45 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately for Source Writer devotees, it is not a Legacy problem, it
>> is that gedcom standards are out of date. Then again, perhaps a Legacy
>> gedcom could be created that would accommodate Source Writer templates, but
>> only for import back into Legacy.  That might be useful for cleaning up a
>> Legacy file, but still would not help if you were trying to send someone
>> a gedcom to import into their genealogy program.
>>
>>
>> CE
>>
>> --
>> From: johnberna...@tadaust.org.au
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:35:26 +1000
>>
>>  I hope Legacy 8 will fix all these problems.
>>
>> John
>>
>>  *From:* CE WOOD 
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 5:09 AM
>> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
>>
>>  Before you convert, I advise you to read the archives here to learn
>> about the many problems associated with using Source Writer templates. Many
>> people have converted all their sources back to Basic because of the
>> problems, not the least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not recognize
>> Source Writer templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not also
>> the way you would want them to read.
>>
>>
>> CE
>>
>>  --
>> From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44 -0500
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing
>> basic source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to
>> find the "Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates
>> that it is reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options
>> button but it is not available as a choice on my program.  I have the
>> latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.
>>
>> Christine
>>
>>
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[LegacyUG] marriages

[Tony Rolfe]

Can we go back to the original request and forget about all the
extraneous waffle which has appeared on this subject.  Just because
Legacy must create a "marriage" record whenever a child is added to a
parent, it doesn't mean that a real-world marriage actually occurred.

It is frequently easy to tell that a person never married.  It is
usually impossible to state with any certainty that someone had no children.

Can we please split the "This person never married and had no children"
fact into two separate facts?

Thanks


Tony



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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[David Abernathy]

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From: John Bernacki [mailto:johnberna...@tadaust.org.au]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool



I hope Legacy 8 will fix all these problems.



John



From: CE WOOD 

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:09 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool



Before you convert, I advise you to read the archives here to learn about the 
many problems associated with using Source Writer templates. Many people have 
converted all their sources back to Basic because of the problems, not the 
least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not recognize Source Writer 
templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not also the way you would 
want them to read.


CE


  _

From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44 -0500

Hello:



In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing basic 
source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to find the 
"Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that it is 
reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options button but it is 
not available as a choice on my program.  I have the latest build, 7.5.0.219.  
Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.



Christine



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Larry Lee]

CE,

I know very little about the use of GEDCOM, it either works for me or it
doesn't. Granted GEDCOM development is always behind the times. I
understand backward compatibility is always a challenge.

Even so, since Millennia created Sourcewriter shouldn't they be responsible
to create a workaround algorithm to export the appropriate fields into
current GEDCOM fields?  Even if most of the information might wind up in a
notes field at least the information would available on the import end,
although maybe not as useful as if it had proper GEDCOM fields.

Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:45 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:

> Unfortunately for Source Writer devotees, it is not a Legacy problem, it
> is that gedcom standards are out of date. Then again, perhaps a Legacy
> gedcom could be created that would accommodate Source Writer templates, but
> only for import back into Legacy.  That might be useful for cleaning up a
> Legacy file, but still would not help if you were trying to send someone
> a gedcom to import into their genealogy program.
>
>
> CE
>
> --
> From: johnberna...@tadaust.org.au
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:35:26 +1000
>
>  I hope Legacy 8 will fix all these problems.
>
> John
>
>  *From:* CE WOOD 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 21, 2013 5:09 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
>
>  Before you convert, I advise you to read the archives here to learn
> about the many problems associated with using Source Writer templates. Many
> people have converted all their sources back to Basic because of the
> problems, not the least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not recognize
> Source Writer templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not also
> the way you would want them to read.
>
>
> CE
>
>  --
> From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44 -0500
>
> Hello:
>
> In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing
> basic source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to
> find the "Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates
> that it is reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options
> button but it is not available as a choice on my program.  I have the
> latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.
>
> Christine
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[CE WOOD]

Unfortunately for Source Writer devotees, it is not a Legacy problem, it is 
that gedcom standards are out of date. Then again, perhaps a Legacy gedcom 
could be created that would accommodate Source Writer templates, but only for 
import back into Legacy.  That might be useful for cleaning up a Legacy file, 
but still would not help if you were trying to send someone a gedcom to import 
into their genealogy program.

CE

From: johnberna...@tadaust.org.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 09:35:26 +1000







I hope Legacy 8 will fix all these problems.

John




From: CE WOOD
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion
Tool


Before you convert, I advise you to read the
archives here to learn about the many problems associated with using Source
Writer templates. Many people have converted all their sources back to Basic
because of the problems, not the least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not
recognize Source Writer templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not
also the way you would want them to read.

CE




From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject:
[LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44
-0500




Hello:

In an effort to clean up my sources, I
would like to convert my existing basic source citations to the new Source
Writer templates, but am unable to find the "Source Template Conversion
Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that it is reached from the Master
Source List by clicking the Options button but it is not available as a choice
on my program.  I have the latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise
me please?  Thanks kindly.

Christine

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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[John Bernacki]

I hope Legacy 8 will fix all these problems.

John

From: CE WOOD
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:09 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

Before you convert, I advise you to read the archives here to learn about the 
many problems associated with using Source Writer templates. Many people have 
converted all their sources back to Basic because of the problems, not the 
least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not recognize Source Writer 
templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not also the way you would 
want them to read.


CE




From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44 -0500


Hello:

In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing basic 
source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to find the 
"Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that it is 
reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options button but it is 
not available as a choice on my program.  I have the latest build, 7.5.0.219.  
Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.

Christine


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Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8

[Don Hendershot]

Please!  Make it stop!

~Don


On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:46 PM, hwedhlor  wrote:

> Hi Jenny,
>
> Of course people are concerned about words.  Words are how
> we communicate, for the most part.  Most words have
> definitions that are accepted widely enough to be included
> in current dictionaries.
>
> In the strictest of definitions of biological "genealogy"
> the primary purpose of entering the names of two individuals
> of opposite gender in our databases is to identify one as
> the biological father, and the other as the biological
> mother of a child.  Not to identify any residential, social,
> civil or religious associations.  However, tagging all
> sexual relationships that resulted in offspring as
> "marriages" is ridiculous.
>
> Those other relationships however are important to defining
> the "family" environments that existed, and they are
> important to us as family historians in both recording, and
> researching our family histories.  For example, in my case I
> was raised by loving, adoptive parents, and for the first
> decade of my life the only "family" I knew were members of
> that extended adoptive family. They are, and will remain,
> family to me.  Conversely once I discovered my biological
> relations I expanded my definition of "family" to include
> each and every one of them, with whom I am also blessed with
> having a loving relationship.  All of those "family"
> members, biological and adoptive, are in my database, and I
> have identified the relationship between myself and my
> biological and adoptive parents so that I can easily switch
> between the lines within Legacy Family Tree.
>
> The primary definition of "relationship" is simply "the
> quality or state of being related; connection."  If two
> people create a child then by definition they had a
> relationship in that creation, no matter how fleeting, or
> involuntary that relationship might have been.  No matter
> what the nature, or duration of the relationship, if it
> resulted in offspring then one of the two people involved
> was the father, and the other was the mother.  Conversely as
> genealogists we have no interest in documenting the dating
> history of our family members.  If a relationship that did
> not result in offspring was acknowledged by civil or
> religious documentation, or was recognized by family and/or
> society as a "marriage" that relationship belongs in our
> databases if we are recording family history.  I'm sure
> there are additional relationships that I've overlooked, and
> short of same-sex relationships the end-user is free to
> document those in Legacy Family Tree to their hearts content.
>
> John Zimmerman
> Mesa, AZ
>
> On 20-Jun-13 6:22 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>> On 18/06/2013 17:10, John Zimmerman wrote:
>>> Why not simply rename the "Marriage Indormation Window" to call it the 
>>> "Relationship Information Window"?
>> Because then people would quibble over the meaning of the word
>> "Relationship" and say that a "one-night-stand" or AI or rape or
>> whatever does not constitute a "Relationship".
>>
>> It has long been my opinion that people (not specifically Legacy users)
>> get far too hung up on actual words, rather than the intended meaning of
>> a word or phrase.
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8

[hwedhlor]

Hi Jenny,

Of course people are concerned about words.  Words are how
we communicate, for the most part.  Most words have
definitions that are accepted widely enough to be included
in current dictionaries.

In the strictest of definitions of biological "genealogy"
the primary purpose of entering the names of two individuals
of opposite gender in our databases is to identify one as
the biological father, and the other as the biological
mother of a child.  Not to identify any residential, social,
civil or religious associations.  However, tagging all
sexual relationships that resulted in offspring as
"marriages" is ridiculous.

Those other relationships however are important to defining
the "family" environments that existed, and they are
important to us as family historians in both recording, and
researching our family histories.  For example, in my case I
was raised by loving, adoptive parents, and for the first
decade of my life the only "family" I knew were members of
that extended adoptive family. They are, and will remain,
family to me.  Conversely once I discovered my biological
relations I expanded my definition of "family" to include
each and every one of them, with whom I am also blessed with
having a loving relationship.  All of those "family"
members, biological and adoptive, are in my database, and I
have identified the relationship between myself and my
biological and adoptive parents so that I can easily switch
between the lines within Legacy Family Tree.

The primary definition of "relationship" is simply "the
quality or state of being related; connection."  If two
people create a child then by definition they had a
relationship in that creation, no matter how fleeting, or
involuntary that relationship might have been.  No matter
what the nature, or duration of the relationship, if it
resulted in offspring then one of the two people involved
was the father, and the other was the mother.  Conversely as
genealogists we have no interest in documenting the dating
history of our family members.  If a relationship that did
not result in offspring was acknowledged by civil or
religious documentation, or was recognized by family and/or
society as a "marriage" that relationship belongs in our
databases if we are recording family history.  I'm sure
there are additional relationships that I've overlooked, and
short of same-sex relationships the end-user is free to
document those in Legacy Family Tree to their hearts content.

John Zimmerman
Mesa, AZ

On 20-Jun-13 6:22 AM, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 18/06/2013 17:10, John Zimmerman wrote:
>> Why not simply rename the "Marriage Indormation Window" to call it the 
>> "Relationship Information Window"?
> Because then people would quibble over the meaning of the word
> "Relationship" and say that a "one-night-stand" or AI or rape or
> whatever does not constitute a "Relationship".
>
> It has long been my opinion that people (not specifically Legacy users)
> get far too hung up on actual words, rather than the intended meaning of
> a word or phrase.
>




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RE: [LegacyUG] marriages

[David Abernathy]

michele



Well said, and “That’s about all there’s to be said.”



Thanks,

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From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] marriages



Y’all are making such a fuss.  Do the other database programs have options to 
have the relationship as  domestic partner, lover, live-in boyfriend, 
wife-wife, husband-husband etc?  If so, then switch to one of those if it 
serves your purposes.  I have had no problem with Legacy in this regard.  I 
agree with Don.  When you start changing the traditional definitions you are 
opening a can of worms.  Legal definitions vary from state to state (and 
country to country).  Most of our research occurs in the past when traditional 
definitions were in place.  You can easily edit sentence definitions to 
accommodate anything you want.



Each child has a set of biological parents no matter if you know who they are 
or not.  A child can have adoptive parents which is easily handled.  You can 
easily have a single parent that raised a child with or without the benefit of 
a marriage certificate.  If you have a couple of the same sex that have adopted 
a child (or perhaps one of those is the biological parent as well) you can 
easily arrange that in Legacy with some wording changes.  Even if you have this 
type of relationship, it will be the exception not the rule.  The overwhelming 
majority of the relationships in your database will be a more traditional 
situation.



Bottom line, if Legacy doesn’t meet your needs then switch to something that 
does.  You can make suggestions to Legacy but they are under no obligation to 
act of these suggestions (trust me I know, I have suggested several things that 
haven’t been implemented).  If I felt that strongly about these suggestions I 
would switch to another software that has what I need.  That is the nice thing 
about having different options to choose from.



michele



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RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[CE WOOD]

Before you convert, I advise you to read the archives here to learn about the 
many problems associated with using Source Writer templates. Many people have 
converted all their sources back to Basic because of the problems, not the 
least of which is the fact that gedcoms do not recognize Source Writer 
templates, and your sources will become Basic, but not also the way you would 
want them to read.

CE

From: ccliff...@pmcnet.ca
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:38:44 -0500








Hello:

In an effort to clean up my sources, I
would like to convert my existing basic source citations to the new Source
Writer templates, but am unable to find the "Source Template Conversion
Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that it is reached from the Master
Source List by clicking the Options button but it is not available as a choice
on my program.  I have the latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise
me please?  Thanks kindly.

Christine



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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Larry Lee]

Chris,

I have heard this mentioned in the past. It is not available in Legacy. You
might try http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/

I have not used it personally.



Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Chris Clifford  wrote:

> **
> Hello:
>
> In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing
> basic source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to
> find the "Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates
> that it is reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options
> button but it is not available as a choice on my program.  I have the
> latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.
>
> Christine
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Leon Chapman]

Sorry.  It is not available

You should try exporting to a GEDCOM file a source or two to make sure it
exports correctly for you.  Others have had problems.  I am sticking with
Basic Sourcing

Chap

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Chris Clifford  wrote:

  Hello:

In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing
basic source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to
find the "Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates
that it is reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options
button but it is not available as a choice on my program.  I have the
latest build, 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.

Christine


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RE: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child

[CE WOOD]

But the single adoptive parent DOES have a child!  That is what adoption is all 
about.  You are correct that perhaps that single adoptive parent did not 
provide the sperm or egg for the child, but that person does have a child.

CE

Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:29:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child
From: pph...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

>snip<
What happens when you add an adopted child to a single parent??  I just now 
tried, and Legacy Immediately removed the "Never married and had no children" 
and whited out the option on the individual screen.   It also added an 
"unknown" spouse!

Surely this should not be!  If ever you need to be able to say 1) "never 
married" and even 2) "had no children" it would be in that situation!!

Legacy, it seems to me, is sometimes rigid when there is no good reason for it.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ron Taylor  wrote:

Assume that ! means DSP for individuals with no marriage records.  Perhaps if 
an individual is linked to marriage records and all of the marriage records 
have the "had no children" box checked, then the "double S" symbol might be 
displayed with the ! after it to similarly indicate end-of-line.


Ron Taylor




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Gene Young]

On 6/20/2013 12:38 PM, Chris Clifford wrote:
> Hello:
> In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing 
> basic source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to 
> find the "Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that 
> it is reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options button but 
> it is not available as a choice on my program.  I have the latest build, 
> 7.5.0.219.  Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.
> Christine
>
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It didn't work and was never implemented.  The help file is not up to date on 
this.

--

Gene Young
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[LegacyUG] Source Template Conversion Tool

[Chris Clifford]

Hello:

In an effort to clean up my sources, I would like to convert my existing basic 
source citations to the new Source Writer templates, but am unable to find the 
"Source Template Conversion Tool".  My manual for 7.0 indicates that it is 
reached from the Master Source List by clicking the Options button but it is 
not available as a choice on my program.  I have the latest build, 7.5.0.219.  
Can anyone advise me please?  Thanks kindly.

Christine


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Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8

[Jenny M Benson]

On 18/06/2013 17:10, John Zimmerman wrote:
> Why not simply rename the "Marriage Indormation Window" to call it the 
> "Relationship Information Window"?

Because then people would quibble over the meaning of the word
"Relationship" and say that a "one-night-stand" or AI or rape or
whatever does not constitute a "Relationship".

It has long been my opinion that people (not specifically Legacy users)
get far too hung up on actual words, rather than the intended meaning of
a word or phrase.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Commonly used Christian name

[Jenny M Benson]

On 18/06/2013 17:16, Ron Ferguson wrote:
> You can enclose the names he used in quotes in the first name field i.e
> John Edward Frederick *Fredrick” Smith. When creating reports etc. one
> can then opt to use only the name in quotes for the narratives and also
> remove the quoted name from printing.

And for the benefit of those who didn't know before about "quoted names"
I would add that the "quoted name" doesn't have to be part of the actual
given name.  For example, Mary Jane Brown could have her given name
written as Mary Jane "Molly" or John Edward Frederick Smith's quoted
name could be "Johnny" or "Freddy".

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[LegacyUG] marriages

[Michele Lewis]

Y'all are making such a fuss.  Do the other database programs have options
to have the relationship as  domestic partner, lover, live-in boyfriend,
wife-wife, husband-husband etc?  If so, then switch to one of those if it
serves your purposes.  I have had no problem with Legacy in this regard.  I
agree with Don.  When you start changing the traditional definitions you are
opening a can of worms.  Legal definitions vary from state to state (and
country to country).  Most of our research occurs in the past when
traditional definitions were in place.  You can easily edit sentence
definitions to accommodate anything you want.



Each child has a set of biological parents no matter if you know who they
are or not.  A child can have adoptive parents which is easily handled.  You
can easily have a single parent that raised a child with or without the
benefit of a marriage certificate.  If you have a couple of the same sex
that have adopted a child (or perhaps one of those is the biological parent
as well) you can easily arrange that in Legacy with some wording changes.
Even if you have this type of relationship, it will be the exception not the
rule.  The overwhelming majority of the relationships in your database will
be a more traditional situation.



Bottom line, if Legacy doesn't meet your needs then switch to something that
does.  You can make suggestions to Legacy but they are under no obligation
to act of these suggestions (trust me I know, I have suggested several
things that haven't been implemented).  If I felt that strongly about these
suggestions I would switch to another software that has what I need.  That
is the nice thing about having different options to choose from.



michele




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RE: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child

[Ronald Bernier]

The problem is, some people get hung up on terminology.  They accuse the 
programmers of being unnecessarily rigid, when in fact it is the individual who 
is rigid.  The person has a set definition of marriage in mind and can't let 
his/her mind waiver from that definition.  Unfortunately, folks purchase a 
software package, and then they think because they purchased a license (they 
didn't purchase the rights to the software), developers are obligated to 
customize the software to the individuals wants and desires..  Often times 
these requests are made with no concern as to what is involved to accede to the 
request, not any concern/regard how the request will affect others who also 
purchased a license for the software.

-Original Message-
From: donel...@juno.com [mailto:donel...@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:06 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child

Since I grew up (I am an old guy now) the legal and accepted definitions of 
parent and marriage/partnering (and many other terms) have changed drastically 
and they continue to do so almost every day.  It even depends what state one 
lives in.  How can a computer program be expected to keep up with or anticipate 
all the changes and individual interpretations of these definitions?  Note that 
I have only addressed the status in the US and have deliberately ignored the 
complexity of adding in the rest of the world.

Don



From: Pat Hickin 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:29:28 -0400

Malcolm wrote: "Â It is a fact that Legacy creates a "marriage" whenever a 
child is added to a single person."

I don't have the following problem but I do know this situation exists in real 
life:

What happens when you add an adopted child to a single parent?? Â I just now 
tried, and Legacy Immediately removed the "Never married and had no children" 
and whited out the option on the individual screen. Â  It also added an 
"unknown" spouse! Â

Surely this should not be!  If ever you need to be able to say 1) "never 
married" and even 2) "had no children" it would be in that situation!!

Legacy, it seems to me, is sometimes rigid when there is no good reason for it.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ron Taylor  wrote:

Assume that ! means DSP for individuals with no marriage records. Â Perhaps 
if an individual is linked to marriage records and all of the marriage records 
have the "had no children" box checked, then the "double S" symbol might be 
displayed with the ! after it to similarly indicate end-of-line.
Ron Taylor



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Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child

[donel...@juno.com]

Since I grew up (I am an old guy now) the
legal and accepted definitions of parent and
marriage/partnering (and many other terms)
have changed drastically and they continue
to do so almost every day.  It even depends
what state one lives in.  How can a computer
program be expected to keep up with or
anticipate all the changes and individual
interpretations of these definitions?  Note
that I have only addressed the status in the
US and have deliberately ignored the
complexity of adding in the rest of the world.

Don



From: Pat Hickin 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Never married option in Legacy 8--adopted child
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:29:28 -0400

Malcolm wrote: "Â It is a fact that Legacy creates a "marriage" whenever a 
child is added to a single person."

I don't have the following problem but I do know this situation exists in real 
life:

What happens when you add an adopted child to a single parent?? Â I just now 
tried, and Legacy Immediately removed the "Never married and had no children" 
and whited out the option on the individual screen. Â  It also added an 
"unknown" spouse! Â

Surely this should not be!  If ever you need to be able to say 1) "never 
married" and even 2) "had no children" it would be in that situation!!

Legacy, it seems to me, is sometimes rigid when there is no good reason for it.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Ron Taylor  wrote:

Assume that ! means DSP for individuals with no marriage records. Â Perhaps 
if an individual is linked to marriage records and all of the marriage records 
have the "had no children" box checked, then the "double S" symbol might be 
displayed with the ! after it to similarly indicate end-of-line.
Ron Taylor



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