Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread Ron Ferguson
Mike,

As far as I know Legacy 8 is not using .NET but remains with VB6.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Timeline locations

2014-01-11 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 11/01/2014 07:10, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 So I guess I could (and should) install the program in its default and
 still leave my data (family file, pictures, etc) in my own folder structure.

That would work.

It is pretty much how my files are set up, though I do have Individual
pictures, Event pictures, etc in Legacy's default location (albeit in
the sub-folders I set up for Legacy 7).  All my Source documents, of
whatever format, are stored in numerous folders and sub-folders under my
main genealogy folder on my C: drive and Legacy doesn't have a problem.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Two Sets of Parents in Legacy Chart

2014-01-11 Thread Sherry/Support
All suggestions are reviewed but not all suggestions are implemented.

Most suggestions never get a response beyond the original confirmation
that it was received. Since the release of Legacy v8, I have seen well
over 300 suggestions come in

We've received thousands of suggestions over the years I've worked for
Legacy. Many of them have become part of Legacy.

I remember many of the suggestions that have crossed my desk. To be
honest, I don't recall that one coming in.

If you have more than one idea, please submit separate suggestion forms.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have that same situation.  We raised our nieces via guardianship, so they
 show up under us and under their birth/natural parents.Â

 I submitted an enhancement request asking that Legacy offer an OPTION of
 different colored connection lines (both for inside the program and for the
 various different charts).  But it seems to be low on their priority list
 or not do-able.  I never heard anything back from them, but I would not
 expect to hear anything back anyway.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages

2014-01-11 Thread David Abernathy
Yes, this is just another way of each program trying to outdo the others.

It has been around for a LONG time in some programs and I have just ignored the 
use of this function.

At least this function has NOT been turned on by default!



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From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:04 PM
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Does anybody else think it strange to want genealogy software to also remind 
you of birthdays and anniversaries? Isn’t that why drug stores give out those 
free calendars where you just take out a pencil, open to all the appropriate 
months and days, and then write in things like “Uncle Joe’s b’day”? KISS



Brian in CA



From: Ron Taylor [mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
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I actually use the marriage tags quite a bit.  Here is a help file that I sent 
out recently to some of the local Legacy users.  It sets the marriage record 
Anniversary Reminder but logic to set any of the marriage tags is similar.  
The process makes it easy to set all the Birthday Reminders and Anniversary 
Reminders for descendants of select ancestors...ie living cousins, etc.



How to set Anniversary and Birthday Reminders for select individuals

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[LegacyUG] Tagging marriages

2014-01-11 Thread Carl Cox
I like the reminders of brthdates and anniversaries. I tag all those I want to 
remember, then print out a monthly calendar. Once it is set up, I just need to 
select the months to print, and then I can call those people appropriately. 5 
generations of those I like to call makes quite a few on the list.
Carl


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RE: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages

2014-01-11 Thread William Boswell
I never use it.  It's bad enough getting emails about birthdays on Facebook 
especially for people I hardly know or never met.



Bill Boswell



From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages



Does anybody else think it strange to want genealogy software to also remind 
you of birthdays and anniversaries? Isn’t that why drug stores give out those 
free calendars where you just take out a pencil, open to all the appropriate 
months and days, and then write in things like “Uncle Joe’s b’day”? KISS



Brian in CA



From: Ron Taylor [mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages



I actually use the marriage tags quite a bit.  Here is a help file that I sent 
out recently to some of the local Legacy users.  It sets the marriage record 
Anniversary Reminder but logic to set any of the marriage tags is similar.  
The process makes it easy to set all the Birthday Reminders and Anniversary 
Reminders for descendants of select ancestors...ie living cousins, etc.



How to set Anniversary and Birthday Reminders for select individuals

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RE: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread William Boswell
I'm glad they don't use it.  .NET sometimes has conflicts with other programs 
that use different versions of it.  I'm always cautious when Windows Updates 
wants to update .NET versions.  I usually don't update.

Bill Boswell

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From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:51 AM
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Mike,

As far as I know Legacy 8 is not using .NET but remains with VB6.

Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages

2014-01-11 Thread Bernd Hornung

Your solution, Ron, is actually going the wrong way for what I wanted,
moving up the lines not down.  There is probably a solution for that
using your methodology.

Legacy appears to tag individuals for the purposes of marking the
direct lines (bold names and +) as well as colour coding the grandparent
lines.   If any of these showed up in the Marriage List, I wouldn't need
to ask.  I could just scroll down, see the appropriate indication, and
do what I need to do.  These are the same pieces of data but seem to be
divorced from each other (pun somewhat intended ).

I don't know anything about how the programming works, but is there a
way to have this relationship?

Bernie

On 10/01/2014 8:29 PM, Kathy Thompson wrote:
 That's Easy??

 Aside from that - not everyone uses (or wants to use) LTools - and I'd
 rather not clear my UserID's just to set reminders or tag more than
 one marriage at a time.


 On 11 January 2014 13:00, Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com
 mailto:doit4...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I actually use the marriage tags quite a bit.  Here is a help file
 that I sent out recently to some of the local Legacy users.  It
 sets the marriage record Anniversary Reminder but logic to set
 any of the marriage tags is similar.  The process makes it easy to
 set all the Birthday Reminders and Anniversary Reminders for
 descendants of select ancestors...ie living cousins, etc.



--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread MikeFry
On 2014/01/11 19:29, William Boswell wrote:

 I'm glad they don't use it.  .NET sometimes has conflicts with other programs
 that use different versions of it.  I'm always cautious when Windows Updates
 wants to update .NET versions.  I usually don't update.

Not in my experience. .NET avoids the previous 'DLL Hell' that used to be so
prevalent on Windows systems. My system runs .NET 2.0, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0 and 4.5. No
conflicts!

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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[LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread C.G. Ouimet
My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy 
default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully identify 
the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a display bug in 
Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from Tech Support.)

Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about Sherry's 
request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on diagnostics.

Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR files, 
I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy Settings in one 
concise report without numerous print screens. The user could select the main 
Legacy settings or any report or everything.

Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON





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Re: [LegacyUG] Two Sets of Parents in Legacy Chart

2014-01-11 Thread Chick Lewis
Great idea, Cathy!   Thanks!

Chick




On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Currently not automatically but you can add a
 textbox from the Insert Ribbon and put it in that.

 Cathy

 At 01:51 AM 11/01/2014, you wrote:

 Thanks Brian, but it just seems confusing to see
 the same person on a chart in two different
 families without any explanation.  Is there
 some way to indicate adoption on the chart?
 
 
 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Brian/Support
 mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.combr...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:
 If they are correctly connected to two families they and their spouses
 if any will always appear twice in the chart to reflect the fact that
 they belong to two families.
 
 You can suppress duplication of their descendants by turning off the
 show duplicates on the Home tab of the chart. With that option the
 second occurrence will have the wording (duplicated) in the box. Font
 options for that are on the appearance tab.
 
 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.combr...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
 
 
 On 09-Jan-2014 10:05 PM, Chick Lewis wrote:
   I have a case where two children, Ann and Mark lost both parents in an
   accident. Both were adopted by their
  mother‬™s sister.  The children are
   shown biologically with their birth parents,
  and I also show them as adopted
   by their aunt and uncle. Â This is easily explained in notes. Â BUT, in
   Legacy Charting both children appear twice under two sets of parents.
 Â How
   can I correct this?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread ChasH
Another time it would be helpful is when you have to reinstall Legacy to
remedy some unfixable problem. I had to do that once.
On 1/11/2014 12:44 PM, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
 My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy 
 default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully 
 identify the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a 
 display bug in Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from 
 Tech Support.)

 Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about 
 Sherry's request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

 Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on 
 diagnostics.

 Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR 
 files, I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy 
 Settings in one concise report without numerous print screens. The user could 
 select the main Legacy settings or any report or everything.

 Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

 C.G. Ouimet
 Kingston ON





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Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread BobsTree2-Gmail
GenViewer does not show a table with the options, so where are they stored?  
Are they in one of the Legacy files?  If in a table, which one is it?  If we 
knew where the info was stored someone might be able to create a utility to 
provide a list of the options settings.

Bob Hansen

On Jan 11, 2014, at 13:44, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.com wrote:

 My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy 
 default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully 
 identify the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a 
 display bug in Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from 
 Tech Support.)

 Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about 
 Sherry's request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

 Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on 
 diagnostics.

 Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR 
 files, I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy 
 Settings in one concise report without numerous print screens. The user could 
 select the main Legacy settings or any report or everything.

 Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

 C.G. Ouimet
 Kingston ON





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Re: [LegacyUG] Two Sets of Parents in Legacy Chart

2014-01-11 Thread Chick Lewis
Nice idea, Bob, but I can see many complications and confusion with
implementation, especially with one biological parent and one guardian or
adopted.  However, I do like Cathy's suggestion to use the insert text
feature to indicate adoption.  In fact, I am going to use that feature to
replace the word duplicated with adopted
Chick



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.comwrote:

  I have that same situation.  We raised our nieces via guardianship, so
 they show up under us and under their birth/natural parents.Â

 I submitted an enhancement request asking that Legacy offer an OPTION of
 different colored connection lines (both for inside the program and for the
 various different charts).  But it seems to be low on their priority list
 or not do-able.  I never heard anything back from them, but I would not
 expect to hear anything back anyway.

 Here's what I suggested back in late 2011:
 I tried to submit this via Legacy's Suggest a new feature screen on the
 Legacy Home tab in the program, but I'm not sure if it made it. I got a
 suggestion confirmed msg, but on that same screen it had a web address
 and a GO button that made it look like I needed to click that GO button
 to actually submit the suggestion. However, whenever I clicked the GO
 button it said I had entered an invalid name and invalid e-mail. (FYI - I
 submitted it under my primary e-mail address, I did not use the same e-mail
 address I use on forums like this.)

 Here's my suggestion:

 It would be REALLY great if you could change some of the
 charts/reports/displays so they indicated blood-line vs non-blood line as
 an option. To some people this is not important, but to some this could be
 a big plus and a good selling point for Legacy. You could even have it
 where this was only available in the Deluxe Edition to encourage sales.

 It is important to note that this should involve:
 * No change to underlying database structure
 * No new fields
 * No change to GEDCOM
 It would make use of existing information already defined in the database.
 It would use the “Relationship to Father†and “Relationship to
 Mother†fields, and maybe also DNA fields.

 It would only impact charts/reports that show connecting lines.
 * No impact on reports like family group record report, Individual report,
 book reports, etc
 * It would impact Descendant chart, Pedigree chart, Ancestor chart,
 Lineage chart, etc.
 * It would impact Pedigree DISPLAY
 * It would impact all(?) items under Legacy Charting

 For me, I would think 2 connector line types would suffice (blood-line or
 not blood-line), but I can see where some folks might like up to 4 line
 types:
 * Red or solid = bloodline
 * Green or long dash = legal document/court document (adopted, guardian,
 etc)
 * Blue or short dash = no legal/court document (raised by relative or
 friend per family agreement)
 * Black or dotted (optional?) = not specified or conflict or unclear
 (conflict between DNA and Relationship fields, user created their own
 custom item in Relationship field, etc)

 Along with this change, there should be another change to the program when
 adding a new child or parent (you may want to make this change
 user-optional). The “child status†and the two “Relationship†fields
 should either display right on the “Information†window, or the
 “Children’s Settings†window should automatically pop up once the
 “Information†window is closed (just like the Marriage window auto-pops
 up when you add a spouse).  Or maybe the “children’s settings†window
 should display alongside the “Information†window at the same time. I
 would prefer the fields automatically display on the “Informationâ€
 window , but I’m not sure how you would do this without confusion. Maybe
 since you change the “Information†window’s title based on how it is
 opened, you should be able to use that similar code to modify the window
 field names. For example, a section on the “Information†window would
 pull the names from the fields and say something like: “John’s
 (child’s) relationship to Sam (father):†and John's (child's)
 relationship to Suzy (mother): (obviously the names and the “father†or
 “mother†info would change based on how it was pulled up). And
 “John’s (child’s) status:†. These fields would not show up if you
 were adding a new unlinked individual.

 Thank you for considering this change.
 Bob Patton

 On 01/10/2014 12:51, Chick Lewis wrote:

  Thanks Brian, but it just seems confusing to see the same person on a
 chart in two different families without any explanation.  Is there some
 way to indicate adoption on the chart?


 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
  wrote:

 If they are correctly connected to two families they and their spouses
 if any will always appear twice in the chart to reflect the fact that
 they belong to two families.

 You can suppress 

RE: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread C.G. Ouimet
Indeed ...


C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON


-Original Message-
From: ChasH [mailto:howell...@gmail.com]
Sent: January 11, 2014 01:57 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

Another time it would be helpful is when you have to reinstall Legacy to remedy 
some unfixable problem. I had to do that once.
On 1/11/2014 12:44 PM, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
 My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to
 Legacy default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to
 hopefully identify the one setting, or combination of settings, that
 triggered a display bug in Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had
 similar requests from Tech Support.)

 Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about 
 Sherry's request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

 Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on 
 diagnostics.

 Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR 
 files, I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy 
 Settings in one concise report without numerous print screens. The user could 
 select the main Legacy settings or any report or everything.

 Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

 C.G. Ouimet
 Kingston ON





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RE: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages

2014-01-11 Thread Kurt Kneeland
Good point.  When Direct Line has been set, the direct line ancestors ought to 
show up as bold on the Marriage List (like they do on the name list).



Ancestor colors on the name and marriage lists would also be nice as an option.



Curious.  I just found a start at an Advanced Tagging for the marriage tags.  
Its under Marriage List - Options - Advanced Tagging.  Lets you specify what 
you are using each tag for, shows a count of how many of each tag are in use, 
and lets you specify the 3 default tags.  There’s also a choice back on the 
Marriage List - Options menu to clear any of the 3 default tags.  
Unfortunately none of the other advanced tagging options are there yet (tag 
ancestors, etc)



From: Bernd Hornung [mailto:ber@telus.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging marriages




Your solution, Ron, is actually going the wrong way for what I wanted, moving 
up the lines not down.  There is probably a solution for that using your 
methodology.

Legacy appears to tag individuals for the purposes of marking the direct 
lines (bold names and +) as well as colour coding the grandparent lines.   If 
any of these showed up in the Marriage List, I wouldn't need to ask.  I could 
just scroll down, see the appropriate indication, and do what I need to do.  
These are the same pieces of data but seem to be divorced from each other (pun 
somewhat intended ).

I don't know anything about how the programming works, but is there a way to 
have this relationship?

Bernie

On 10/01/2014 8:29 PM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

That's Easy??

Aside from that - not everyone uses (or wants to use) LTools - and I'd rather 
not clear my UserID's just to set reminders or tag more than one marriage at a 
time.



On 11 January 2014 13:00, Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com wrote:

I actually use the marriage tags quite a bit. Â Here is a help file that I sent 
out recently to some of the local Legacy users. Â It sets the marriage record 
Anniversary Reminder but logic to set any of the marriage tags is similar. Â 
The process makes it easy to set all the Birthday Reminders and Anniversary 
Reminders for descendants of select ancestors...ie living cousins, etc.







--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread Larry Lee
C.G., et al,

I agree with you.

For some reason, not quite making sense at least to me, there has been a
lot of disagreement from several people including support about the
usefulness or need for this type of a report.

Back in the day they might have argued there was no need for automatic
transmissions, after all cars work just fine with a stickshift.

I have yet to hear a really good argument why we can't have this report.

Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.comwrote:

 My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy
 default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully
 identify the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a
 display bug in Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from
 Tech Support.)

 Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about
 Sherry's request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

 Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on
 diagnostics.

 Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR
 files, I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy
 Settings in one concise report without numerous print screens. The user
 could select the main Legacy settings or any report or everything.

 Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

 C.G. Ouimet
 Kingston ON





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Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread Larry Lee
Bob,

The function of options settings is such an integral part of how Legacy
performs this information needs to be internal and not developed as a third
party workaround.

Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:59 AM, BobsTree2-Gmail bobstr...@gmail.comwrote:

 GenViewer does not show a table with the options, so where are they
 stored?  Are they in one of the Legacy files?  If in a table, which one is
 it?  If we knew where the info was stored someone might be able to create a
 utility to provide a list of the options settings.

 Bob Hansen

 On Jan 11, 2014, at 13:44, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.com wrote:

  My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy
 default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully
 identify the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a
 display bug in Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from
 Tech Support.)
 
  Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about
 Sherry's request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.
 
  Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on
 diagnostics.
 
  Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR
 files, I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy
 Settings in one concise report without numerous print screens. The user
 could select the main Legacy settings or any report or everything.
 
  Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...
 
  C.G. Ouimet
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[LegacyUG] Events

2014-01-11 Thread Judith
Hello:  I would like some thoughts on where to record certain events for a
married couple.  I started out recording under the individual names, then
found I had duplicates in the Chronology view, so I moved the shared events,
like residence to the Marriage tab.  Do you record all joint events in the
marriage tab and individual events in the person's tab?  I have not tried
the new 'shared events' option as yet, would that be the solution to this?

Thanks

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RE: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread C.G. Ouimet
Obviously, I agree …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: Larry Lee [mailto:ldlee...@gmail.com]
Sent: January 11, 2014 03:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout



C.G., et al,



I agree with you.



For some reason, not quite making sense at least to me, there has been a lot of 
disagreement from several people including support about the usefulness or need 
for this type of a report.



Back in the day they might have argued there was no need for automatic 
transmissions, after all cars work just fine with a stickshift.



I have yet to hear a really good argument why we can't have this report.




Larry Lee

ldlee...@gmail.com





On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.com wrote:

My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy 
default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully identify 
the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a display bug in 
Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from Tech Support.)

Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about Sherry's 
request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on diagnostics.

Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR files, 
I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy Settings in one 
concise report without numerous print screens. The user could select the main 
Legacy settings or any report or everything.

Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON





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RE: [LegacyUG] Events

2014-01-11 Thread Kurt Kneeland
Great idea.  Joint events of a married couple (like a residence or anniversary) 
make perfect sense to record as Marriage Events.  And they still can be shared 
with others (like the children).



I’m finding a couple of difficulties in the implementation.  First, I find I 
want a separate Master Event Type for something like residence so I can 
construct the Event Sentences slightly differently.  So I’m using “Joint 
Residence” under Marriage Events vs “Residence” for an individual.  Other 
Marriage Events like “Wedding Anniversary” only apply as Marriage Events so I 
don’t need the alternate version.  Second problem is bugs in the sentence 
constructs are making it difficult to get the sentences the way I want them, 
but that will clear up in time.  Mostly impacts when I Share the “Joint 
Residence”  event from the parent couple to the children.  The 
[CoupleFirstNames] or [MainCoupleFirstNames] functions are only returning the 
name of the mother.



From: Judith [mailto:judithsfamilyt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Events



Hello:  I would like some thoughts on where to record certain events for a 
married couple.  I started out recording under the individual names, then found 
I had duplicates in the Chronology view, so I moved the shared events, like 
residence to the Marriage tab.  Do you record all joint events in the marriage 
tab and individual events in the person’s tab?  I have not tried the new 
‘shared events’ option as yet, would that be the solution to this?

Thanks

Judith









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RE: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout

2014-01-11 Thread Don Hanson
Add me to a list who thinks that have the ability to print out the current 
settings would be quite useful.  Since having a stroke, my memory is seriously 
flawed. By the time I click then scroll through each category, I’ve forgotten 
what I was looking for! grin If I get a wild idea to make a change and then 
decide I hate it, I have to guess at what I changed and what it had been. You 
can imagine the mess that can quickly be made as the memory errors combine! 
LOL!! GUI developers can’t assume that their user base is just like them. I’m 
amazed at how much my body has aged after 60. I wish I had been more aware of 
what declines with age, I would have designed things differently if I had.

Don Hanson



From: Larry Lee [mailto:ldlee...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Settings Printout



C.G., et al,



I agree with you.



For some reason, not quite making sense at least to me, there has been a lot of 
disagreement from several people including support about the usefulness or need 
for this type of a report.



Back in the day they might have argued there was no need for automatic 
transmissions, after all cars work just fine with a stickshift.



I have yet to hear a really good argument why we can't have this report.




Larry Lee

ldlee...@gmail.com





On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 11:44 AM, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.com wrote:

My original query was in response to Sherry to reset my Legacy to Legacy 
default settings and then enabling my settings one by one to hopefully identify 
the one setting, or combination of settings, that triggered a display bug in 
Pedigree View. (I'm sure many have had similar requests from Tech Support.)

Saving my settings is easy but having a list of them to then go about Sherry's 
request would make it much easier to meet her diagnostic needs.

Without that list, I'm not willing to spend that amount of time on diagnostics.

Suspecting that Tech Support already have a tool to decipher cryptic USR files, 
I submitted a suggestion ... We need a way to printout Legacy Settings in one 
concise report without numerous print screens. The user could select the main 
Legacy settings or any report or everything.

Then, Sherry asked why I would ever need such a thing ...

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON





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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

2014-01-11 Thread lio .
Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
started going by Evan.

So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but others 
(perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as Ivan.

1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often recorded 
as it.

2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling mistakes. 
Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
better understanding.

Leo


 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500

 You could be right, of course.

 Cheryl


 CE WOOD wrote:
  The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
  earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
  when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
  AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
  the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
  makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
  in the book.
 
  For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
  people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
  od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
  some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
  restored; some were called differently depending whether the
  author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
 
  Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
  searching:
 
  England, AEthelwulf, King of
  Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
  West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
 
 
  And then the women:
 
  Northumberland, AEthelreda of
  Allerdale, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, Octreda of
  Northumbria, Uchtreda of
 
  Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
  Bearsson, Sibylla
  Northumbria, AElfled of
  Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
 
  Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
  need to research any one individual in those lands!
 
  While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
 
  Clare, Gilbert the Red de
  -was also known as-
 
  Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  -as well as-
 
  Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 
 
  But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
  so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
  or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
  search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
 
  I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
  in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
  name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
  name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
 
  As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
  Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
  Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
  Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
  Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
  of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
  Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
 
  All of this says nothing about the fact that English
  spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
  English even later. Read any early English or American wills
  for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
  the same document.
 
  To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
  in your reports depends on your audience.
 
 
  CE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Cheers, Carolyn
 
From: singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
   
And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
deed variety.
   
And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
spotted only father and one son.
   
Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
output?
   
Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
 I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s
  comment but your
 response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these
  things all so
 flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that
  does that!

 *From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

 But whether AKAs print in reports is up to you because
  it is
 an option.


 CE

 From: singh...@erols.com mailto:singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 

RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

2014-01-11 Thread C.G. Ouimet
Yes to both … AKA as in Also Known As … By self or others in my view …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: January 11, 2014 05:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs



Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
started going by Evan.

So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but others 
(perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as Ivan.

1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often recorded 
as it.

2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling mistakes. 
Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
better understanding.

Leo



 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500

 You could be right, of course.

 Cheryl


 CE WOOD wrote:
  The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
  earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
  when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
  AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
  the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
  makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
  in the book.
 
  For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
  people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
  od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
  some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
  restored; some were called differently depending whether the
  author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
 
  Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
  searching:
 
  England, AEthelwulf, King of
  Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
  West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
 
 
  And then the women:
 
  Northumberland, AEthelreda of
  Allerdale, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, AEthelreda of
  Dunbar, Octreda of
  Northumbria, Uchtreda of
 
  Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
  Bearsson, Sibylla
  Northumbria, AElfled of
  Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
 
  Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
  need to research any one individual in those lands!
 
  While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
 
  Clare, Gilbert the Red de
  -was also known as-
 
  Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  -as well as-
 
  Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
 
 
  But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
  so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
  or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
  search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
 
  I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
  in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
  name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
  name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
 
  As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
  Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
  Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
  Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
  Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
  of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
  Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
 
  All of this says nothing about the fact that English
  spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
  English even later. Read any early English or American wills
  for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
  the same document.
 
  To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
  in your reports depends on your audience.
 
 
  CE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Cheers, Carolyn
 
   From: singh...@erols.com
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
   Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
  
   And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
   answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
   deed variety.
  
   And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
   gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
   includes qwsrf on father and both sons when it has been
   spotted only father and one son.
  
   Then too why bother inputting something you don't want to
   output?
  
   Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
I was going to say “good point” to Cheryl’s
  comment but your
response is even “gooder”. Legacy makes these
  things all so
flexible for the user. Just gotta love a program that
  does that!
   
*From:*CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:01 PM
*To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] 

[LegacyUG] HELP! Improper update v 8

2014-01-11 Thread Pam Gosling
Hello,



Now I have a problem, likely of my doing, but want to know what to do next..



Yesterday, I converted a copy of my 7.5 to v 8  and was working on files; today 
I went to install the latest build 367 from Dec 20,

It says installed but the folder with the data has totally disappeared out of 
the installation folder; In My documents,  all I see is a zip folder labeled

Backup from yesterday as a zip file. However, when I try to open the file from 
within v 8, by going to “open” file, the current, new v 8 file is NOT listed,

And what I downloaded is listed as “sample” file. When I tried to run the 
install again a second time, first it said program may not have installed 
correctly,

Then it said it “may not have installed” correctly.  I’m guessing I made a 
mistake to run “install” instead of “update”? But then what happened to my open 
file?



What do I do next?  Thanks for any help., . . Pam




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Re: [LegacyUG] HELP! Improper update v 8

2014-01-11 Thread Wendy Howard
Hi Pam,

You do not OPEN a backup, you RESTORE it:

-- Open Legacy

-- Click on File  Restore File

-- Navigate to where your backup is located, select the backup (the
.zip folder) and click on the Open button

-- Tell Legacy where you want the data file located, and what to call
it, then click on the Save button

-- Then you're asked you if you want to open that newly-restored data file.

... and you're done.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Pam Gosling said the following on 12/01/2014 12:14 p.m.:

 Hello,

 Now I have a problem, likely of my doing, but want to know what to do
 next..

 Yesterday, I converted a copy of my 7.5 to v 8  and was working on
 files; today I went to install the latest build 367 from Dec 20,

 It says installed but the folder with the data has totally disappeared
 out of the installation folder; In My documents,  all I see is a zip
 folder labeled

 Backup from yesterday as a zip file. However, when I try to open the
 file from within v 8, by going to “open” file, the current, new v 8
 file is NOT listed,

 And what I downloaded is listed as “sample” file. When I tried to run
 the install again a second time, first it said program may not have
 installed correctly,

 Then it said it “may not have installed” correctly.  I’m guessing I
 made a mistake to run “install” instead of “update”? But then what
 happened to my open file?

 What do I do next?  Thanks for any help., . . Pam




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[LegacyUG] f/u re improper download

2014-01-11 Thread Pam Gosling


Thanks Wendy, ok, went to restore, gave me a choice of folders within the Zip 
Manager files(?), and I selected the only one with the blue dot icon on the 
left and it won’t open, flashes something on the screen that looks like it will 
open but doesn’t. Is this the right place I should be?  Meanwhile, before your 
message to “restore”, I had opened one of the zip  files already and it seemed 
to open, but I closed that again since when I tried the restore route it asked 
me to close all open files, would that have made a difference?



And when I do get it open, why did I lose my folder in My Documents? I have not 
tried to put anything in a different place that the program assigns.



And second issue, it DID NOT SAVE  some of the data I entered yesterday, even 
thought I HAD backed/saved up everything before I shut it down for the night. 
This happened repeatedly while I was entering data, specifically for adding a 
spouse and entering a cemetery /burial name AND the source associated with it. 
At first I attributed it to me forgetting to click on “save” after I 
clicked/finished source documentation, but then it happened too many times for 
it to be my issue.  ..do I have a glitch somewhere?



Thanks, Pam




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[LegacyUG] Update again on restore issue

2014-01-11 Thread Pam Gosling
Ok, when I reentered the program again, it asked me to backup 1 file, and 
when the program opened, it showed me that the new build took, but took on 
the backup zip file of 3:40 in the afternoon, not the latest zip file of 
10:51(after I had entered data for several hours); the later zip folder of 
10:51 shows up in my recovered files, and the newly named update/copy that I 
was trying to make still doesn't show up in my open file list within the 
program, but it does open. But then it asked me if I wanted to copy/renew to 
new format again? I didn't do that yet, thinking something is very confused 
here. . .(besides me).. .should I start over? Or. . .??? I don't want to mess 
it up any further. ..

Pam




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Re: [LegacyUG] Update again on restore issue

2014-01-11 Thread Wendy Howard
Hi Pam,

I think you should contact Support and get their one-on-one help at this
stage.  :-)

supp...@legacyfamilytree.com

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Pam Gosling said the following on 12/01/2014 1:25 p.m.:
 Ok, when I reentered the program again, it asked me to backup 1 file, and 
 when the program opened, it showed me that the new build took, but took 
 on the backup zip file of 3:40 in the afternoon, not the latest zip file of 
 10:51(after I had entered data for several hours); the later zip folder of 
 10:51 shows up in my recovered files, and the newly named update/copy that 
 I was trying to make still doesn't show up in my open file list within the 
 program, but it does open. But then it asked me if I wanted to copy/renew to 
 new format again? I didn't do that yet, thinking something is very confused 
 here. . .(besides me).. .should I start over? Or. . .??? I don't want to 
 mess it up any further. ..

 Pam



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

2014-01-11 Thread Ed Ladendorf
Leo,

I'm pretty much a rookie, so keep that in mind while reading my reply.

Since he was often recorded as Ivan, I would list that as an AKA. This could 
help others find information that might not be found otherwise.

For your second question, I'll answer with how I handled a similar problem. As 
stated in my original post, my ancestor, Ladendorf, was listed as Lander in the 
1860 census. Under the AKAs, I listed Lander (1860 census) since I viewed 
this as an isolated instance. Others viewing this will immediately know this is 
an isolated case, and they will know where to find him in the 1860 census. I 
think this will work.




On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:51 PM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in Canada he 
 started going by Evan.

 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but 
 others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him as 
 Ivan.

 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often 
 recorded as it.

 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling 
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples for 
 better understanding.

 Leo


  From: singh...@erols.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
  Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:50 -0500
 
  You could be right, of course.
 
  Cheryl
 
 
  CE WOOD wrote:
   The main reason for me to use many AKAs is the same as an
   earlier poster - so I can find information about someone
   when that person is referred to by one of his sometimes many
   AKAs. When searching the index of a book, say, knowing all
   the names a person has been called (not being funny here),
   makes it possible to know if that person has been mentioned
   in the book.
  
   For me, with thousands of medieval and earlier individuals,
   people were often a duke of this, an earl of that, a comet
   od the other, etc. The women too. These titles changed too;
   some were added, some were taken away by a king, then
   restored; some were called differently depending whether the
   author was Italian, French, Welsh, etc.
  
   Here's one with only a few AKAs that are very relevant when
   searching:
  
   England, AEthelwulf, King of
   Wessex, AEthelwulf, King of England and
   West Saxons, AEthelwulf, King of
  
  
   And then the women:
  
   Northumberland, AEthelreda of
   Allerdale, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, AEthelreda of
   Dunbar, Octreda of
   Northumbria, Uchtreda of
  
   Northumbria, Sibyl Björnsdóttir of
   Bearsson, Sibylla
   Northumbria, AElfled of
   Northumbria, Suben Björnsdóttir of
  
   Don't get me listing all the Welsh and Celtic AKAs that you
   need to research any one individual in those lands!
  
   While I'm working on someone, I remember that, say, that:
  
   Clare, Gilbert the Red de
   -was also known as-
  
   Gloucester, 6th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
   -as well as-
  
   Hertford, 7th Earl Gilbert the Red de Clare, of
  
  
   But when I'm working on someone else, I may have forgotten,
   so when I come upon reference to the 6th Earl of Gloucester
   or the 7th Earl of Hertford, I can find out by a simple
   search of my index if this is someone I want know more about.
  
   I also use AKAs to have French royalty, say, listed together
   in the index with an AKA of France even if she had a last
   name. Of course, many of those were not known by a last
   name, she would be known as Marguerite of France, say.
  
   As far as that goes, the Plantagenets were never known as
   Plantagenets. That is a fabricated last name to help us.
   Edmund, Earl of Cambridge was also known as Edmund of
   Langley, as Edmund, Duke of York, but not as Edmund
   Plantagenet. It helps us to put in that he was the 1st Duke
   of York and to use Plantagenet as a last name, but
   Plantagenet of actually an AKA.
  
   All of this says nothing about the fact that English
   spelling was not standardized until the 1800s, American
   English even later. Read any early English or American wills
   for examples of spelling variations of the same word within
   the same document.
  
   To sum up, AKAs make research easier. What you want to put
   in your reports depends on your audience.
  
  
   CE
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Cheers, Carolyn
  
From: singh...@erols.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:16:42 -0500
   
And, if one does NOT print them on reports, one will be
answering questions of the But the name's wrong on that
deed variety.
   
And, recording 36 different AKAs on 200 different people
gets a bit tricky too as one deliberates on whether one
includes qwsrf on father 

RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread robs_familytree .
Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON



 From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:49:41 -0500

 I agree with Sherry.  I do the same thing with obituaries.  I add residence 
 events for the listed surviving family members but I use the date of death, 
 not the day the obituary came out.


 Michele
 Technical Support
 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:40 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

 I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
 enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the 
 format you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the 
 Text/Comments tab.

 The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the 
 actual date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done 
  improperly the first time.
 
  If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which 
  date do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side 
  information found on the document?
 
  Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
  but i'm sure some did.
 
  I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
  have used the registration date of December 3.
 
  Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
  input the information properly into my legacy file.
 
  Leo







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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread Kurt Kneeland
I think too much minutia.



I think of Registered as the date the paperwork gets posted at the applicable 
government office which may be several days after the paperwork is filled out.  
However, your wording below implies that it might be the day the father signed 
the paperwork.



From: robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates



Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON




 From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:49:41 -0500

 I agree with Sherry. I do the same thing with obituaries. I add residence 
 events for the listed surviving family members but I use the date of death, 
 not the day the obituary came out.


 Michele
 Technical Support
 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:40 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

 I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
 enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the 
 format you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the 
 Text/Comments tab.

 The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the 
 actual date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done 
  improperly the first time.
 
  If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which 
  date do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side 
  information found on the document?
 
  Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
  but i'm sure some did.
 
  I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
  have used the registration date of December 3.
 
  Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
  input the information properly into my legacy file.
 
  Leo







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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread Graham Lambert
It would probably seem as trivial detail for me when I consider that for
most ancestors, if I can find out their occupations every ten years,
then I think I'm doing well. Occasionally with directories etc, we can
get down to yearly for awhile, but that is rarer information.

Graham

On 12/01/2014 1:40 PM, robs_familytree . wrote:
 Hi Sherry and Michele:

 Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your
 answers.

 For the example below:

 *Name: Bob Smith*
 *Born: December 1, 2013 *
 **
 *Father: John Smith*
 *Occupation:  Farmer
 Residence: Toronto, Ontario

 Registered by John Smith / Father*
 *Date Registered: December 10, 2013*

 I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the
 event was not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be
 truer to assume that the Occupation and Residence of the father was
 probably as of  December 10, the registration date? Or am I too
 focused on minutia?

 Thanks very much,

 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON





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[LegacyUG] File ID's

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
Is there any way to clear all File ID's with one (or two) clicks?

A previously used program has filled these fields with gibberish and they
are a right royal pain and have no relevance whatsoever to my files.

I'd like to be able to clear them and actually use those fields for their
intended purpose in a way that makes logical sense to a human being.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread William Boswell
The father could have died between December 1 and 10.  I would use the date of 
birth rather than the registration date.  I have an example:



My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in the 
1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was told the 
day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in the front 
parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place of abode on 
April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have ceased at 10am on 
April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not know he had died before 
April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.  According to records, he was 
actually buried on April 4 so the date of the census or that family lore about 
being in the casket in the parlor seems to be wrong.



It's ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's Day.



Bill Boswell



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Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON







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[LegacyUG] Shared Events - witnesses, clergy, doctors, etc.

2014-01-11 Thread lio .
With Shared Events its suddenly easy to include lots of extras (people).

Witnesses and Informants to events I think are definitely important. But what 
about clergy, doctors etc.?

How important are they? Do you include them?

Thanks for your direction.

leo



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

2014-01-11 Thread Graham Lambert
Hi Leo,

I think this a is a very individual thing.

I record an AKA when my ancestors sometimes use their second name; other
instances are when they are known for example, as Jack or Jock for John.

Any of the very many spelling mistakes, I only record in the Notes.
But that's just me.

Graham

On 12/01/2014 9:51 AM, lio . wrote:
 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.

 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in
 Canada he started going by Evan.

 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.

 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan,
 but others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would
 record him as Ivan.

 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often
 recorded as it.

 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal
 examples for better understanding.

 Leo




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Re: [LegacyUG] File ID's

2014-01-11 Thread Wendy Howard
Hi Kathy,

Do you mean the field called User ID? I'm also assuming you're using
Legacy v8.0.0.367, which is the latest build as I type this reply.

I've never used this particular field, so opened up my file, opened the
Individual's Information window for a person, clicked in the User ID
field to get the cursor there, and then pressed F1 to bring up the Help
on that topic.

The Help pointed me to the Customise window, where option 12.4 deals
with the User ID field.  If you go to that, you'll see there's a button
to Clear all User IDs

Have you tried using that?  Make a backup or copy of your data file
first, before trying this, in case you're not pleased with the result
and want to go back to before you started that exercise.

Please let us know how you get on with it.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Kathy Thompson said the following on 12/01/2014 4:27 p.m.:
 Is there any way to clear all File ID's with one (or two) clicks?

 A previously used program has filled these fields with gibberish and
 they are a right royal pain and have no relevance whatsoever to my files.

 I'd like to be able to clear them and actually use those fields for
 their intended purpose in a way that makes logical sense to a human being.



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use AKAs

2014-01-11 Thread Larry Lee
Graham, et al,

I agree this usage is very much up to the user. However, I have found much
of my information from Ancestry.com based upon searches using misspelled
names, therefore, I keep them all. I use the name I am familiar with as the
preferred name but the rest are there if ever I need them with a note about
where and when the AKA was used.



Larry Lee
ldlee...@gmail.com



On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Graham Lambert gra...@bigpond.net.auwrote:

  Hi Leo,

 I think this a is a very individual thing.

 I record an AKA when my ancestors sometimes use their second name; other
 instances are when they are known for example, as Jack or Jock for John.

 Any of the very many spelling mistakes, I only record in the Notes. But
 that's just me.

 Graham

 On 12/01/2014 9:51 AM, lio . wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for your replies. I'm still fuzzy on it though.
 Â
 A Scottish ancestor's birth name was Ewen, but after a few years in
 Canada he started going by Evan.
 Â
 So, I entered Evan as an AKA.
 Â
 Often he on documents he is recorded as Ivan. He never signs Ivan, but
 others (perhaps having trouble with his Scottish accent) would record him
 as Ivan.
 Â
 1. Would you record Ivan as an AKA? He never went by it, but was often
 recorded as it.
 Â
 2. What about the times Ewen was recorded as Ewan or Ewon. Spelling
 mistakes. Would you record Ewan and Ewon as an AKA?

 Sorry for asking my question again, but had to use some personal examples
 for better understanding.
 Â
 Leo




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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
Rob - I think you are too focused on the minute details - I record the date
of birth, and then record the occupation with a note as per (other
document) for (relative's name)

Bill - good example and one to watch for I guess - but it's a bit hard for
a deceased person to register a birth as in Rob's example


On 12 January 2014 13:48, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:

 The father could have died between December 1 and 10.  I would use the
 date of birth rather than the registration date.  I have an example:



 My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in
 the 1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was
 told the day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in
 the front parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place
 of abode on April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have
 ceased at 10am on April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not
 know he had died before April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.
 According to records, he was actually buried on April 4 so the date of the
 census or that family lore about being in the casket in the parlor seems to
 be wrong.



 It's ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's
 Day.



 Bill Boswell



 *From:* robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
 *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:41 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Dates



 Hi Sherry and Michele:

 Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your
 answers.

 For the example below:

 *Name: Bob Smith*
 *Born:  **December 1, 2013 *

 *Father: John Smith*
 *Occupation:  Farmer*


 *Residence: Toronto, OntarioRegistered by John Smith / Father*
 *Date Registered:  **December 10, 2013*

 I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the
 event was not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer
 to assume that the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as
 of  December 10, the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

 Thanks very much,

 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON




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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared Events - witnesses, clergy, doctors, etc.

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
I only include them in the notes if I suspect or know them to be someone
famous or relevant to the family in general - for example, a family may
have lived in one town for 50 years and every single baptism, marriage and
burial in that time was conducted by the same priest, alternatively - a dr
who did the pm or certified the death may have made a big discovery and now
be a well known name.
They are the human interest points that make the stories just that bit more
interesting.

I don't include them in the tree as separate people though, they are only
mentioned in notes


On 12 January 2014 13:49, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:

 With Shared Events its suddenly easy to include lots of extras (people).

 Witnesses and Informants to events I think are definitely important. But
 what about clergy, doctors etc.?

 How important are they? Do you include them?

 Thanks for your direction.

 leo


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Re: [LegacyUG] File ID's

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
No, I am not meaning the field known as UserID - I have populated that one
myself and am happy with it. I am referring to File ID - it's to do with
sources and appears on the Source Detail tab right down the bottom


On 12 January 2014 14:02, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Kathy,

 Do you mean the field called User ID? I'm also assuming you're using
 Legacy v8.0.0.367, which is the latest build as I type this reply.

 I've never used this particular field, so opened up my file, opened the
 Individual's Information window for a person, clicked in the User ID
 field to get the cursor there, and then pressed F1 to bring up the Help
 on that topic.

 The Help pointed me to the Customise window, where option 12.4 deals
 with the User ID field.  If you go to that, you'll see there's a button
 to Clear all User IDs

 Have you tried using that?  Make a backup or copy of your data file
 first, before trying this, in case you're not pleased with the result
 and want to go back to before you started that exercise.

 Please let us know how you get on with it.  :-)

 Kind Regards,
 Wendy

 Kathy Thompson said the following on 12/01/2014 4:27 p.m.:
  Is there any way to clear all File ID's with one (or two) clicks?
 
  A previously used program has filled these fields with gibberish and
  they are a right royal pain and have no relevance whatsoever to my files.
 
  I'd like to be able to clear them and actually use those fields for
  their intended purpose in a way that makes logical sense to a human
 being.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

2014-01-11 Thread CE WOOD
Actually, the census is correct. It is important to understand the rules about 
census data:

The census day was NOT the day the enumerator arrived at a household; it was
the day for which all the statistics of the census were collected. The
instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals just prior to the 1820 census
explain:



All the questions refer to the day when the enumeration is to commence, the
first Monday in August next. Your assistants will thereby understand that
they are to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family
on the first Monday in August, even those who may be deceased at the time
when they take the account; and, on the other hand, that they will not
include in it infants born after that day.



Similar instructions have been given for every census since 1790, but with
different census days. The table below shows the census day for each census,
1790 to 1930, and the time allowed to take the census:



Census Year / Census Day / Time Allowed



1790 / 2 August / 9 months

1800 / 4 August / 9 months

1810 / 6 August / 10 months

1820 / 7 August / 13 months

1830 / 1 June / 12 months

1840 / 1 June / 18 months

1850 / 1 June / 5 months

1860 / 1 June / 5 months

1870/ 1 June / 5 months

1880 / 1 June/ 1 month

1890 / 1 June / 1 month

1900 / 1 June / 1 month

1910 / 15 April / 1 month

1920 / 1 January / 1 month

1930 / 1 April / 1 month


He was alive on 1 April 1930, albeit, for only 10 hours, but he was alive, so 
the census is correct.

CE

From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:48:26 -0500
snip My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in 
the 1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was told 
the day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in the 
front parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place of abode 
on April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have ceased at 
10am on April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not know he had 
died before April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.  According to 
records, he was actually buried on April 4 so the date of the census or that 
family lore about being in the casket in the parlor seems to be wrong. It's 
ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's Day. Bill 
Boswell


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Re: [LegacyUG] File ID's

2014-01-11 Thread MikeFry
On 2014/01/12 06:18, Kathy Thompson wrote:

 No, I am not meaning the field known as UserID - I have populated that one
 myself and am happy with it. I am referring to File ID - it's to do with 
 sources
 and appears on the Source Detail tab right down the bottom

Will Search  Replace help? You can search for
a) Source-File ID
b) Citation-File ID
c) To-Do-File ID

The only problem would be the Find what data since you say it contains
gibberish. Any pattern to the gibberish?

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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[LegacyUG] Source Clipboards 1 to 5

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
I've searched the help files, I can't see the answer.

Can someone Please explain to me How to use the 5 different Source
clipboards?
I can't even work out how to get more than one source on there at this
point.

In that explanation, please tell me if all 5 clipboards get pasted at once,
or if only the active on top clipboard gets pasted.



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Re: [LegacyUG] File ID's

2014-01-11 Thread Kathy Thompson
but you are a genius Mike - that method works brilliantly - slow but a darn
site quicker than the alternative!
Thanks


On 12 January 2014 17:50, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote:

 yes - every single File ID is along the lines of 1,7884::30370810 - with
 different numbers after the 1,
 it makes no sense, I have no files with those or similar names


 On 12 January 2014 17:45, MikeFry emjay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2014/01/12 06:18, Kathy Thompson wrote:

  No, I am not meaning the field known as UserID - I have populated that
 one
  myself and am happy with it. I am referring to File ID - it's to do
 with sources
  and appears on the Source Detail tab right down the bottom

 Will Search  Replace help? You can search for
 a) Source-File ID
 b) Citation-File ID
 c) To-Do-File ID

 The only problem would be the Find what data since you say it contains
 gibberish. Any pattern to the gibberish?

 --
 Regards,
 Mike Fry
 Johannesburg (g)



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