Re: [LegacyUG] Cut and Paste not working

[Robert57P_gmail]

Not that I don't believe you, but it would be surprising for a
stand-alone non-resident program to wipe out cut/paste in all other
programs, so let me ask you a silly question:  Have you tried booting?

Try this:
* COLD boot (not just restart, but shut down and let it sit a minute.)
* While it is down, try unplugging your keyboard.  Take a look at it
unplugged - any keys feel "strange" or unresponsive?  Any gunk
between/under any keys?  Give it a mild shake - anything rattling? Just
for grins, check your mouse while system is off, see if anything seems
amiss.
* I've had odd keyboard issues and found that it does wonders just to
power down and run your hand back and forth across ALL keys so they go
down/up two or three times.
* Plug your keyboard back in and then power back up.
* Then, before you start legacy, try a simple cut/paste (maybe in a
simple program like notepad).  Use only your keyboard first (hold down
shift and use arrow to highlight, then CTRL-C and CTRL-V.  Then try
using just your mouse (highlight and then right click).
* If that works, shut down notepad (or whatever), start up Legacy, and
restart Notepad.  Try cut/paste in notepad while Legacy is in the
background.
* If that works, try cut/paste within Legacy.
* If that works, try cut/paste from Legacy to something else (and then
also try from something else to Legacy).

I know some of us use cut/paste a LOT, but can you remember when was the
last time you had a successful cut/paste?  Has anything ELSE changed
since then?  (Windows behind-the-scenes auto-update, antivirus
auto-update, any other new program, new hardware, new USB key, etc, etc,
etc).

If any of the above tests fails, try doing a system restore to just
before the Legacy upgrade - see if it works then.
And/or try uninstalling legacy and try the above tests.  Then install an
older version of Legacy.  Try again.  Then upgrade Legacy, try again.

Yea, yea, yea, I know, that's a lot of testing.  And I do believe you
that it is not working.  I just find it strange that a single program
would impact your entire system.  Some type of system update or resident
program update would be more apt to be the cause.  Yes it is probably
possible for a 3rd party program to have a global impact, but . . .

Good luck!  I'd be lost w/o cut/paste (why do we call it cut/paste when
we usually COPY/paste???).  I can still remember when I first installed
Windows way back in the mid 1980s (I started on PCs w good-old DOS).  I
was in a spreadsheet and wanted to put something from that in my word
processor.  I "memorized it" so I could manually type it in to the word
processor and started to shut down the spreadsheet so I could start up
the word-processor . . . and suddenly I remembered I was using Windows
and could have both running at once!  Started up the word processor, did
a cut/paste, and was in total AWE!  I sometimes miss the old days of
simple DOS and MUCH simpler installs and little or not conflict between
ANY programs.  But there are definite pluses with Windows.

Bob

On 02/20/2015 23:04, Stratton wrote:
> I upgraded to Legacy 8.0.0.467, and have lost all ability to cut and
> paste within Legacy as well as from outside the program.
> Not working from webpages such as findagrave using IE and Firefox. Not
> working from Notepad or Word.
> Is this a new bug in the upgrade?
> Richard
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[LegacyUG] Cut and Paste not working

[Stratton]

I upgraded to Legacy 8.0.0.467, and have lost all ability to cut and
paste within Legacy as well as from outside the program.
Not working from webpages such as findagrave using IE and Firefox. Not
working from Notepad or Word.
Is this a new bug in the upgrade?
Richard




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Gene,


Yes, My senior moment has caught up with me,
as one of the discussions (in a different thread) was about having
different Long/lat for each stone within a cemetery
and that Legacy has no way to handle that
as it either creates a new record (if some field differs)
or overwrites the previous Long/Lat that was stored for that exact same
place name)


Thanks

Jay.




On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Gene Young  wrote:

> On 2/20/2015 8:27 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > Gene,
> >
> > This is an oft mis understood area.
> >
> > What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT
> put the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
> "address" which is the field accessed by the + sign
> >
> >
>
>
> That is correct and is exactly what I do.  I have one for each cemetery
> with no duplicates regardless of how many individuals I have connected to
> it.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Gene Young]

On 2/20/2015 8:27 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> Gene,
>
> This is an oft mis understood area.
>
> What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT put 
> the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place "address" 
> which is the field accessed by the + sign
>
>


That is correct and is exactly what I do.  I have one for each cemetery with no 
duplicates regardless of how many individuals I have connected to it.


--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Gene,

This is an oft mis understood area.

What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT put
the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
"address" which is the field accessed by the + sign



On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Gene Young  wrote:

> On 2/20/2015 6:35 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> > The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
> addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
> EVERY burial,
> > I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records
> >
> >
> If this is the result you are getting you are doing something wrong.  I
> create one address location for each cemetery.  I then attach the
> appropriate individuals to the correct cemetery.  I have hundreds attached
> to a single cemetery and still have only ONE address location for the
> cemetery.  It sounds like you are creating a new cemetery every time
> instead of attaching the new person to the existing location.
>
> --
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Gene Young]

On 2/20/2015 6:35 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
> The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery addresses 
> with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for EVERY burial,
> I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records
>
>
If this is the result you are getting you are doing something wrong.  I create 
one address location for each cemetery.  I then attach the appropriate 
individuals to the correct cemetery.  I have hundreds attached to a single 
cemetery and still have only ONE address location for the cemetery.  It sounds 
like you are creating a new cemetery every time instead of attaching the new 
person to the existing location.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
EVERY burial,
I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> What is the problem with having one cemetery entry and 1200 burials
> attached to it?  The cemetery/address would show up for every person and
> you could easily see who all is attached by simply doing a “Show List”
>
> The problem you will run into is when you share your information with
> other genealogists. The standard is locations go in location fields so if
> you send someone a piece of your file they will have a lot of cleanup to
> do.  If you sync to FamilySearch you will get a “non standard” location
> warning message.
>
> I can give you a third option (and this is the one I use).  I create a
> cemetery event.  I like this option because I can add notes, transcription,
> photographs etc.  If I really wanted to I could put the address in the
> description field along with the cemetery name but I don’t do that.
> Instead, the address (or directions) are in the source citation.
>
>
> Coal Town Cemetery (Lamar County, Mississippi; intersection of Coal Town
> Road and White Oak Road), Docia Leora Simmons and William Houston Simmons
> double marker, personally read, 2001.
>
> Westover Memorial Park (Richmond County, Georgia; 2601 Wheeler Road),
> Pamela Arlene Storey marker, personally read, 2002.
>
>
>
>
> Michele
> Technical Support
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
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> From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 5:03 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting
>
> Michelle,
> re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
> These belong in the address field.
> I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
> ADDRESS field
> The best example I can give is a cemetery.
> If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
> that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
> instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
> address.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Paul Gray]

Just to clarify



Were the missing entries in the GEDCOM export and failed to import to the new 
file, or were they not in the export to begin with?



Paul Gray



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: February-20-15 4:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.



For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.



Any ideas?



I’m using version 8.0.0.454.



  Ward

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[LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Ward Walker]

I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.

For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.

Any ideas?

I’m using version 8.0.0.454.

  Ward



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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Michele/Support]

Jay,
What is the problem with having one cemetery entry and 1200 burials attached to 
it?  The cemetery/address would show up for every person and you could easily 
see who all is attached by simply doing a “Show List”

The problem you will run into is when you share your information with other 
genealogists. The standard is locations go in location fields so if you send 
someone a piece of your file they will have a lot of cleanup to do.  If you 
sync to FamilySearch you will get a “non standard” location warning message.

I can give you a third option (and this is the one I use).  I create a cemetery 
event.  I like this option because I can add notes, transcription, photographs 
etc.  If I really wanted to I could put the address in the description field 
along with the cemetery name but I don’t do that.  Instead, the address (or 
directions) are in the source citation.


Coal Town Cemetery (Lamar County, Mississippi; intersection of Coal Town Road 
and White Oak Road), Docia Leora Simmons and William Houston Simmons double 
marker, personally read, 2001.

Westover Memorial Park (Richmond County, Georgia; 2601 Wheeler Road), Pamela 
Arlene Storey marker, personally read, 2002.




Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 5:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

Michelle,
re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  These 
belong in the address field.
I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the ADDRESS 
field
The best example I can give is a cemetery.
If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person that 
was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the 
address.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Michelle,

re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
These belong in the address field.

I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
ADDRESS field

The best example I can give is a cemetery.

If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
address.






On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Michele/Support <
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

> As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each
> country your Master Location List will sort the countries together
> properly.  For example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4
> for Poland and I use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where
> you run into problems is when you are not consistent within a country.
>
>
>
> Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location
> field.  These belong in the address field.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michele
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

Ron,

can you explain why?
the "names" for the 4 "main" municipality location fields are just labels
and could be adjusted as needed.
Maybe they could be
City,
Parish,
County,
Country

Or even just
City, state, Country and have one field "disabled"

There are many ways that these could be adjusted so that globally we are
better off that the one field we have now.

But since I am not familiar with the place name location needs of other
countries, it would help if you explain what you do need.

Thanks

Jay


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:10 AM,  wrote:

> Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
> Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
> I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be implemented
> to resolve many "place" name issues.
>
> First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
> A field for Country
> a field for State
> a field for County
> a field for Name
>
> Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
> municipalities.
> probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications
>
> Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
> field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
> Field 3 might contain a "place type"  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church,
> 3 for hospital, 4 for residence.
>
> When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but not
> the type)
> St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
>
> Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
> and states and match to the known possibilities.
>
> We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.
>
> Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
> all manage our places better.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:
>
>> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
>> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
>> report but have them sort properly in the list.
>> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
>> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
>> mess.
>> For example--
>> 3 places separated by comas:
>>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
>> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
>> sorts to -
>> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>>
>> 5 places separated by comas:
>>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
>> sorts to:
>> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>>
>> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
>> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
>> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
>> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>>
>> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
>> concern
>> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
>> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
>> the
>> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>>
>>
>> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kathy
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[kaytt]

Thank you everyone for your ideas.  Sorting right to left works for the results 
I was after.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Ron Ferguson]

Rob,

No. you are dealing with images which may have the extension .jpg. “d*.jpg”
Also be careful not to delete the file name and extension of the image. so
you will need to spell out the path of the folder containing the unwanted
image and replace it with that of the image you want, *as they are on the
host site and not on your PC*.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: Rob Vader
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 2:08 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

Gene,

thanks for your suggestion; I will look into it and see how the BTR Wizard
can help. The place to do this is probably all d*.htm files?

Rob

2015-02-20 15:00 GMT+01:00 Gene Young :
On 2/20/2015 5:32 AM, Rob Vader wrote:
> But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of
> links to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change
> those all by hand? Or am I misunderstanding you
>
> Rob
>
> 2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00  >:
>
> Rob,
>
> You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on
> the site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on
> your server
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> Rob Vader mailto:r.va...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only
> way to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage.
> That is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That
> asks for quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both
> sub-sites have the complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to
> this problem other than to rent more server space?
>
> Thanks for thinking with/for me
>
> Rob Vader
>



It really is not difficult.  Say the path to the folder with the pictures is
 and the other
site is
 you
just have to change all occurrences of \Some_Server\MyPages\ to
\Some_Server\Other_Language\.
You can accomplish this with a number of programs.  I personally use BTR
Wizard (Batch Text Replacer) from http://www.tildemh.com/.  It works fast
and is free.
--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm









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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Larry Lee]

Michele,

Since this is such a confusing topic with so much discussion on the list it
would be a great webinar subject.

Maybe Geoff could moderate a "Geoff Live" special and include you and/or
others as guest presentors.

It would be most helpful to see how Geo can be used as designed and also
how it can be used in other than a four place world.

Larry
On Feb 20, 2015 9:49 AM, "Michele/Support" 
wrote:

> Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this…
>
>
>
> Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
>
>
>
> After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+
> field and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it
> has the correct map location.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
> Technical Support
>
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>
>
> *From:* Bobby Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 20, 2015 11:05 AM
> *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting
>
>
>
> Does Geo Location work with all of your countries when you use this scheme?
>
>
>
> Bobby
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jim Terry/Support]

Bobby,

The extra commas inserted by the Geo Location DB into places in the Master 
Location List can be removed from reports and charts. Click the Report Options 
button (has a pencil, ruler and triangle) and select the Format tab.  See 
"Locations and the use of Commas" at 
http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00968 and "Geo Location Database 
Quick Guide" at http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00953.

Thanks,

Jim
Legacy Support



 Original Message 
> From: "Bobby Johnson" 
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 8:59 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting
>
> Great!!  Maybe you should record this procedure in the "Tips and Tricks" 
> Legacy web page.
>
>
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
> From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:47 AM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting
>
>
>
> Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this.
>
>
>
> Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
>
>
>
> After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ 
> field and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has 
> the correct map location.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
> Technical Support
>
>   mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>
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>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Bobby Johnson]

Great!!  Maybe you should record this procedure in the “Tips and Tricks” Legacy 
web page.



Bobby



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:47 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting



Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this…



Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany



After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ field 
and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has the 
correct map location.



Michele

Technical Support

  mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

  www.legacyfamilytree.com





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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Michele/Support]

Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this…



Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany



After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ field 
and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has the 
correct map location.



Michele

Technical Support

  mich...@legacyfamilytree.com

  www.legacyfamilytree.com



From: Bobby Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:05 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting



Does Geo Location work with all of your countries when you use this scheme?



Bobby





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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Bobby Johnson]

Does Geo Location work with all of your countries when you use this scheme?



Bobby



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 9:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting



As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each country 
your Master Location List will sort the countries together properly.  For 
example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4 for Poland and I 
use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where you run into 
problems is when you are not consistent within a country.



Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  
These belong in the address field.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Cathy Pinner]

So long as you are consistent and always end with the country, there
isn't a problem. Just sort right to left and the places come together
whether or not you want who lived in a particular town or county or
country (or street)

Michelle says addresses don't belong in the location. However. I've
always put the address in the location and it works fine for me and many
others. I don't like the way addresses report and you either enter
incomplete addresses or get a repetition when you use the address field.
I think there are other problems as well. Also I know addresses can now
be mapped in Legacy 8 but I could map mine in Legacy 7.

Jay, you can do that now if you want to use the 7 of the available 9 fields.

Cathy

ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
> Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
> Jay Wilpolt  wrote:
>
> I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be
> implemented to resolve many "place" name issues.
>
> First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
> A field for Country
> a field for State
> a field for County
> a field for Name
>
> Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are
> not municipalities.
> probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications
>
> Field 1 might contain a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
> field 2 might contain the address : 123 Main Street
> Field 3 might contain a "place type" maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for
> church, 3 for hospital, 4 for residence.
>
> When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but
> not the type)
> St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
>
> Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take
> countries and states and match to the known possibilities.
>
> We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.
>
> Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to
> help us all manage our places better.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  > wrote:
>
> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a
> written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating
> comas and
> sometimes 5. If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City
> it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
> Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man (Isle of man is
> it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
> Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything
> is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome. My
> biggest concern
> is the sorting. If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped
> together in the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Michele/Support]

As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each country 
your Master Location List will sort the countries together properly.  For 
example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4 for Poland and I 
use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where you run into 
problems is when you are not consistent within a country.



Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  
These belong in the address field.





Michele

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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Rob Vader]

Thanks Ron, I will follow your pointers...

Rob

2015-02-20 15:07 GMT+01:00 :

> Rob,
>
> Basically, yes but there are programs which will do a global search and
> replace. PSpad and Notepad++ are a couple. I Do not know the detail of your
> site(s),.do cannot really do much more than point you in the direction to
> go.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
> Rob Vader  wrote:
>
> But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of
> links to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change
> those all by hand? Or am I misunderstanding you
>
> Rob
>
> 2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00 :
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on the
>> site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on your
>> server
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> Rob Vader  wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only
>> way to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage.
>> That is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks
>> for quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have
>> the complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem
>> other than to rent more server space?
>>
>> Thanks for thinking with/for me
>>
>> Rob Vader
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[ronfergy . aul]

Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.

Ron Ferguson


Jay Wilpolt  wrote:

>I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be implemented to
>resolve many "place" name issues.
>
>First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
>A field for Country
>a field for State
>a field for County
>a field for Name
>
>Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
>municipalities.
>probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications
>
>Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
>field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
>Field 3 might contain a "place type"  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church, 3
>for hospital, 4 for residence.
>
>When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but not
>the type)
>St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
>
>Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
>and states and match to the known possibilities.
>
>We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.
>
>Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
>all manage our places better.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:
>
>> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
>> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
>> report but have them sort properly in the list.
>> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
>> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
>> mess.
>> For example--
>> 3 places separated by comas:
>>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
>> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
>> sorts to -
>> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>>
>> 5 places separated by comas:
>>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
>> sorts to:
>> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>>
>> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
>> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
>> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
>> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>>
>> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
>> concern
>> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
>> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
>> the
>> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
>> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>>
>>
>> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[ronfergy . aul]

Rob,

Basically, yes but there are programs which will do a global search and 
replace. PSpad and Notepad++ are a couple. I Do not know the detail of your 
site(s),.do cannot really do much more than point you in the direction to go.

Ron Ferguson

Rob Vader  wrote:

>But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of links
>to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change those all
>by hand? Or am I misunderstanding you
>
>Rob
>
>2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00 :
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on the
>> site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on your
>> server
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> Rob Vader  wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only way
>> to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage. That
>> is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks for
>> quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have the
>> complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem other
>> than to rent more server space?
>>
>> Thanks for thinking with/for me
>>
>> Rob Vader
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Rob Vader]

Gene,

thanks for your suggestion; I will look into it and see how the BTR Wizard
can help. The place to do this is probably all d*.htm files?

Rob

2015-02-20 15:00 GMT+01:00 Gene Young :

> On 2/20/2015 5:32 AM, Rob Vader wrote:
> > But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of
> links to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change
> those all by hand? Or am I misunderstanding you
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > 2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00  ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk>>:
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on
> the site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on
> your server
> >
> > Ron Ferguson
> > http://www.fergys.co.uk/
> >
> >
> > Rob Vader mailto:r.va...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The
> only way to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the
> startpage. That is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of
> images. That asks for quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as
> both sub-sites have the complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution
> to this problem other than to rent more server space?
> >
> > Thanks for thinking with/for me
> >
> > Rob Vader
> >
>
>
>
> It really is not difficult.  Say the path to the folder with the pictures
> is  and the
> other site is
>  you
> just have to change all occurrences of \Some_Server\MyPages\ to
> \Some_Server\Other_Language\.
> You can accomplish this with a number of programs.  I personally use BTR
> Wizard (Batch Text Replacer) from http://www.tildemh.com/.  It works fast
> and is free.
> --
>
> Gene Young
> Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
> With Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Gene Young]

On 2/20/2015 5:32 AM, Rob Vader wrote:
> But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of links 
> to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change those all by 
> hand? Or am I misunderstanding you
>
> Rob
>
> 2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00  >:
>
> Rob,
>
> You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on the 
> site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on your 
> server
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> Rob Vader mailto:r.va...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only 
> way to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage. 
> That is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks 
> for quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have 
> the complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem other 
> than to rent more server space?
>
> Thanks for thinking with/for me
>
> Rob Vader
>



It really is not difficult.  Say the path to the folder with the pictures is 
 and the other 
site is
 you just 
have to change all occurrences of \Some_Server\MyPages\ to 
\Some_Server\Other_Language\.
You can accomplish this with a number of programs.  I personally use BTR Wizard 
(Batch Text Replacer) from http://www.tildemh.com/.  It works fast and is free.
--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

I should add here my own "idea" that I hope might someday be implemented to
resolve many "place" name issues.

First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
A field for Country
a field for State
a field for County
a field for Name

Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
municipalities.
probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
Field 3 might contain a "place type"  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church, 3
for hospital, 4 for residence.

When exporting data to a gedcom, we would "mash" all the 5 fields (but not
the type)
St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
and states and match to the known possibilities.

We could also then set "user" defaults for which fields are displayed.

Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
all manage our places better.

Thanks

Jay






On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:

> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
> concern
> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
> the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Jay Wilpolt]

You are asking for a "Genealogy" program to perform the function of a "Data
Manipulation" program.

To get the results you desire, export the data to csv and then use a data
spreadsheet type program to manipulate your data.



On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt  wrote:

> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
> sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
>   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
>  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
> concern
> is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
> the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Rob Vader]

But I suppose that the HTML that is being generated contains a lot of links
to the place where the images are on the server. You mean change those all
by hand? Or am I misunderstanding you

Rob

2015-02-20 11:01 GMT+01:00 :

> Rob,
>
> You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on the
> site which is in error so it points to the location of the images on your
> server
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
> Rob Vader  wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only way
> to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage. That
> is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks for
> quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have the
> complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem other
> than to rent more server space?
>
> Thanks for thinking with/for me
>
> Rob Vader
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[ronfergy . aul]

Rob,

You do not need to have two sets of images, change the file path on the site 
which is in error so it points to the location of the images on your server

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Rob Vader  wrote:

>hi,
>
>Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only way
>to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage. That
>is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks for
>quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have the
>complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem other
>than to rent more server space?
>
>Thanks for thinking with/for me
>
>Rob Vader
>
>
>
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[LegacyUG] Bi-lingual site

[Rob Vader]

hi,

Perhaps someone has a clever solution. My site is bi-lingual. The only way
to implement that (I think) is to make two sites under the startpage. That
is not the problem. But the problem is in the use of images. That asks for
quite a lot of server space that I have to rent, as both sub-sites have the
complete set of images. Does anyone has a solution to this problem other
than to rent more server space?

Thanks for thinking with/for me

Rob Vader




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names & sorting

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Kathy,

Your problem is that you are choosing the wrong sorting option.
Unless you strictly enter locations in the "town, county, state,
country" format which appears to suit most of the USA but doesn't suit
most of my locations, then you need to use the Right to Left sort. Then
so long as you enter your information consistently from smallest unit to
largest unit/country, then the bits will sort together.

I include streets etc in my locations and by sorting right to left every
location in a particular town comes together.
Then the relevant items can all be highlighted by clicking on the first
in the list and holding down shift when you click on the last. Then use
the Options button and Show List to get everyone associated with that
location.
I did it this morning to get a list of everyone in my file associated
with Wiltshire as there are new Wiltshire records available at FindMyPast.

Once you've chosen a Right to Left sort, then you can change the
direction of the locations in the list just by ticking or unticking the
Sort checkbox. You don't have to click the Sort button ever again.
However, while you are there, before you choose right to left you might
want to choose Generic terms instead of USA terms.

Cathy


kaytt wrote:
>
> I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
> finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
> report but have them sort properly in the list.
> My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
> sometimes 5. If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
> mess.
> For example--
> 3 places separated by comas:
> Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man (Isle of man is it's own
> country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
> sorts to -
> , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold
>
> 5 places separated by comas:
> Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
> sorts to:
> Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA
>
> Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
> , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
> Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
> places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.
>
> Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome. My biggest
> concern
> is the sorting. If I want to make a list of people buried in various
> cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together
> in the
> sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
> USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C
>
>
> I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathy




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